No, but if the team misses the playoffs, sayonara
Yes, it's a harsh world, full of losses to USL clubs
No, He's doing a good job and drafts well, blame the players.
Mo's Future: Poll
Ok, I'm posting a poll on Mo's future as GM.
A few options here, so give it a minute for the questions to go up.
The question and answers:
Should Mo be fired?
1. No, but if the team misses the playoffs, sayonara
2. Yes, it's a harsh world, full of losses to USL clubs
3. No, He's doing a good job and drafts well, blame the players.
....and if someone wants to post the poll part, that would help. My login won't let me, for some reason.
Last edited by jloome; 06-04-2009 at 07:29 PM.
The way the team is playing right now we don't know if they're going to make a run and get into the playoffs but even if we barely squeeze in I think it's time to close the door on his era...the only problem that remains is MLSE's ability to find a competent replacement.
Originally Posted by jloome
4. Mo takes over the Coachs position!
they need to find a real coach...
Yes, it's a harsh world, full of losses to USL clubs
Making the playoffs isn't enough. You can be mediocre and get in.
This team has never shown anything in must-win games.
If we have any playoff games like the game Tuesday night, he'll be run out of here on a railroad.
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As I said 2 years ago (and was shot down in flames), the guy has no record of success ANYWHERE so why should he start being successful now? We have seen nothing but crap so far so I continue to say FIRE HIM NOW, end the misery. Hire someone with a track record of success.
Get rid of him now while the playoffs are still a chance.
Mo has done some things well, some things not so well. However, at the end of the day, the players we have, the coaching staff in place, the teams performance and the running of the club are ultimately Mo's responsibility. Following that debacle over Carver and the horror show we witnessed in Vancouver, Mo should resign.
Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.
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Promises that never materialize...
that's how he's lasted so long...
and when we do get players, it takes too bloody long to get them here.
Drafting, Schmafting.... It's not like he was some genuis for scouting Frei, Edu, Cronin....
Frei fell to us, and Cronin was the "most ready to step in" player availible in all expert analysis prior to the draft....
He wouldh've been an idiot to pass on them...
Edu was the consensus pick when we nabbed him...
So his only real drafting to judge him on (where he actually had to analyze players) is Julius James, Pat Phelan, Andy Boyens.... Not a good record to say the least
voted no only for the reason the club gave him a 5 year plan and that should be followed through..after the 5th season then decide...right now the ones that go
must be players we have a team of floaters just like the leafs and that cant do, not
for a football club..lets get rid of the dead wood and start a new.
To be honest, it had become quite obvious that he was not cut out for the job quite early. The minute he mentioned the "5 year plan" thing I figured he was just out there buying himself time.
It doesn't matter if we make the playoffs or not, Mo gotta go!
No Mo(re)!
mlse has a month to fire him or there head will be mine
You believe in 5 year plans? ...Not saying I dont, Mo definitely has a five year plan. Year 1- It's an expansion team Year 2- Still building the squad, fuck coaching Year 3- Put all the blame on the lack of good coaching Year 4-Almost got another years worth of salary etc, etc. Fire the cunt.
playoffs are a must this year.
He makes the playoffs, he stays.
He doesn't make the playoffs, then the 3 years are up. I've always said 3 years is a nice period to see what someone can do. year 1 is usually a mess, year 2 is consolidation, year 3 is achieving something (playoffs, a non-league cup etc.).
Year 2 was a 10 point improvement on year 1. On the current pace, Year 3 would be a 5 point improvement on year 2, with playoffs. That's enough to get a 4th year on the job. But if the team stalls at 35 points this season, and no playoffs, the GM has had enough of a chance and it's time to move on.
win or lose he is gone
The Seattle comparison isn't helping. People can talk all they want about Seattle having infrastructure in place, but we're in year 3, they're in year one, and their signings have simply worked out better.
Mo's one real job is crafting the club, and he's allegedly been given permission to bring in a DP level player if it's "right" for the club. I'd say it was right for the club about six games ago.
Clearly, I say no now. Howevr, if he stays simply making the playoffs is not enough to convince me otherwise, the team has to show good consisten play not just stumble its way into the play offs. It must show some real form and quality for a strech. However, as I said I would simply fire him now.
And you're suggesting Mo?? Did you miss Year 1??
What about the San Jose comparison? San Jose is on pace for 4 fewer points in its second season than TFC had in its first. Why does TFC get compared only to Seattle but not San Jose?
Yet every once in awhile I hear praise for Frank Yallop. I don't get it.
The fact is, beyond TFC Seattle has more points than *9* other MLS teams right now. Forget the TFC blinders for a second... but 9 other teams, of varying pedigrees, are playing worse than an expansion team in its first year. But time will tell -- Seattle could "pull a San Jose" and finish with fewer points in year 2.
Last edited by rocker; 06-05-2009 at 07:42 AM.
Ok, so look at how De Ro is complaining bitterly about the turf, rightfully so. Look at how Huckerby wouldnt play here. Do you guys honestly think that because we get a new GM that all of a sudden players are going to be willing to play here on the turf? Mo has not done a bad job of drafting. He can spot talent, but it is much more difficult to talk established and typically aging stars into finishing their careers on this surface.
I stand by earlier comments about style of play. Unless this team can demonstrate consistently that they can play a modified English-style game and win against comparable and lesser competition and be competitive with teams at the top of the table, week in and week out, then perhaps a change in playing style is in order. And if the coaching staff and GM can't accomplish this, then a change is due.
Firing Mo today would put the season in further disarray. But failed results cannot be tolerated much longer.
where's the 'no, we're only a third year expansion club. I'll wait until the 4th year before deciding' option.
a ha ha heh he hoo.. ha
Mo is doing great because San Jose is worse then us?
Why next year, be fair to Mo, wait until he he has had the full five years that he asked for. He deserves it.
Where's the, "He'll just be replaced by another guy who's not allowed to spend DP money."
Wait, what?
Now we are giving Mo a chance until the playoffs? (or lack there of)
What happened to all the RPBs that wanted to fire Mo when we lost in the Carolina Cup?
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Sure, give him as much time as he wants. We'll keep failing while the folks wearing rose-colored (coloured?) glasses say "5 year plan? Let's give him a second 5 year plan!".
He's been a failure since New York. He must be fired after the Montreal game (which we'll probably win 3-0, fall 1 goal short on a Barrett missed chance from 1 yard out).
in year 4 you have a pretty good idea what year 5 is shaping up like. Mo has made some good deals and done well in the draft. We've improved year over year. He deserves some credit.
Next year we ought to be able to look back at where we've been and have an idea of where we're going - if it doesn't appear to be forward then the 5th year of a 5 year plan is moot.
Right now he's in the middle of a job (IMO) - let him keep at it.
Besides, a string of 2 or 3 good results and everything'll be back to normal, so let's not be too hasty.
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