Seeing the posts from the New York Supporters did it for me. Hotels, and flights booked for nothing now.
Seeing the posts from the New York Supporters did it for me. Hotels, and flights booked for nothing now.
2 months is a long time, but its not unheard of. There are rain delayed games in baseball that get played MONTHS later. The raptors had a few start times changed for various problems. Its not like they did it for no reason, at least its a good reason. Ultimately they added a game to the calander that wasn't there before. I know it screws some schedules, and is a real pain in the ass, but for all we know there could be a raging thunderstorm on the 8th anyways. Then what'd happen? (actually a serious question that to my knowledge hasn't come up yet, what is the standard MLS plan if theres serious lightening or something an a game has to be called?)
They delay baseball games to a LATER date because they can't physically play them.
Teams/Leagues alter START TIMES, sometimes for TV reasons or otherwise.
Both of these do not compare to this. Good reason? We are in the busiest time of the season. The last thing we need is another league game, that wasn't there before. All for a BS money grab later on.
I don't disagree, but what do you think the reaction would have been had we found out in a month that TFC turned down a chance to play Real Madrid? Nothing against the clubs we've played in the past but thats a whole diffent ballgame. I bet everyone would be screaming either MLSE is too cheap to pay for quality friendlies, how are we going to improve/get exposure unless we play big clubs, or fucking MLS wouldn't let us move ONE game so we could play Madrid! We can't have it both ways. Big clubs opperate at the last minute, its regretable, and yes it does appear to be bush league, but its still better than the alternative
this whole thing ... what a gong show. beyond bush league.
IF this game was worked into the schedule I would be fine with it. I understand what these friendlies are about. If you want to pony up the cash great, go ahead! No skin off of my ass. But the fact they decided to move a regular season match is what pisses me off.
And if they decided to not have the friendly against Real Merda because this was the only option (remember there is another friendly included in our STH package) I would have alot of respect for that. of course people would be angry, but thats the same as everything around here.
^ yeah. the success of toronto fc has hugely exceeded original expectations.
so owners know they can get away with shit. and they are.
twenty per cent increase in season-ticket prices two years in a row?
sure. why not?
no DP?
meh. what fer?
shuffle the team's schedule for a friendly ... and put in grass for it.
heck, of course!
more to come from these parts i'm sure . . .
Last edited by GBV; 05-29-2009 at 05:59 PM.
Give MLSE some credit here. We haven't heard from them yet. I don't believe MLSE will charge the supporter top dollar. They will charge you your regular price. They have to.
It'll be a saw off - they get some extra revenue from the SSH, but only the non-SSH pays the big prices.
Anyone who has been on ticket trader knows the demand for tickets is falling, a lot, this year. MLSE are not dumb. They won't piss people off that blatantly.
Just my humble opinion.
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Maybe I'm too cynical but is it really? I mean we WANT it to be but is anything more than a cash grab in sports?
I could be wrong and I mean no disrespect at all.
Then why do we do what we do?
Toronto FC baby...best team everrrrrrrrrr -Jozy
Well, it's a marketing ploy, at the very least, that they understand.
But don't expect MLSE (or even guys like me) to understand this "football culture," it's not our culture, it's not our history. As someone pointed out on here, in Europe you have clubs, we have franchises.
In American sports history the kind of culture you're talking about applies to college teams. The pros have always been a business, from the very first baseball teams after the Civil War. Professional teams here have always had owners, they've never been "of the people." No matter how much people claim they once were.
So, we can hate MLSE for lots of reasons, but we probably shouldn't expect them to understand and apply a foreign culture to a North American model.
From the beginning of TFC we've been told there are lots of soccer fans here who aren't interested in MLS. This kind of thing is an attempt to get some of those people out and at least TFC will also be playing. Maybe they'll win over a few converts. Or a couple. Or maybe one guy....
I'm disappointed, but I will never believe that it matters what MLSE thinks or believes in. This club IS the supporters' regardless of what the owners think. They might sell the team one day and we'll still be here. If anything they are facilitators at best...they bring the elements together that already exist and have existed for a very long time.
The club is more than this and some money grubbing executives don't have to "get it" for me to know that it's mine.
Last edited by Pigfynn; 05-29-2009 at 07:31 PM.
The thing is, Beach, that they have carried on like it was different for the past two years when they needed the supporters to help them get off the ground, but now they're reverting to type.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Toronto FC baby...best team everrrrrrrrrr -Jozy
I find it hilarious how everyone complains about all that MLSE has done this friendly all bases on a Globe and mail article (just taken from Steve Goff at Washington Post).. I have heard all kinds of BS about the friendlies
1. Paul B stating it was Cagliari or a South American team ..
2. It was July 22
3. Real Madrid at Rogers Centre
4. This Friendly is part of the season ticket holder package or not part of the package
WTF? the last time I checked it not even official yet...One guy wrote an article in the Globe and Mail.
Maybe we shlould be more concerned with other MLS supporters on other forums berating the choice of Toronto for such a big club
Maybe we should berate Steve Goff for down playing the Toronto match for the SH%$TY confines of FED EX FIELD and how some how the "b" squad will only play in Toronto..Who is he Florentino Perzes nephew?..wasnt last year only half of FEDEX sold for there Friendly with Chelsea
I do agree it will be bad on the part of MLSE to charge season tickets holders above and beyond the price already paid up front. Just dont buy the ticket but please wait till its official..The DC United Match is not even on Real Madrid website yet!!!
However if they move the game to SKYDOME other people wont be happy
Thinkof it as a time to showcase the Supporters Section to a World Wide TV audience
No, you shouldn't be surprised, but you shouldn't give up too easily, either. Look, you're up against an ingrained culture like anywhere else in the world, change is always slow.
But "they" really are a lot of people and some of them have figured out that working with the supporters is a good idea. As frustrating as it is, I hope you keep working with them. TFC is only going to get bigger and a more important part of MLSE and as it does those people may gain more influence in the corporate structure.
Besides, MLS is a one-entity league, isn't it? Are we sure MLSE had any say in this at all? It seems unlikely the NY FO would have gone along with this if they had any say.
True... people on this board and other boards are talking about certain things as "fact" when, in fact, TFC has made zero announcements about the subject. The only thing we know is the NY game got moved.
We should probably step back and wait and see what actually happens. It would be funny if it turned out the game was included in the season tickets... the NY game still moved, but that would negate many of the criticisms.
But I guess if it's all true, people have a head start!
The silence from Paul is deafening.
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Like I said in the other thread... if you aren't going please give me your first right of refusal. There are some relatives and family friends that would love to see this game.
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