after we played last night the canadian championship is not looking promising either...the team as not played well in the last few weeksOriginally Posted by Hooligan69
and looks no better then our USL counterparts in Canada.
after we played last night the canadian championship is not looking promising either...the team as not played well in the last few weeks
and looks no better then our USL counterparts in Canada.
I guess we can expect a 10-0 blowout at the hands of Real Madrid.
everything is possible.. ..we could even win..but at the end of the day
playing high profile teams if even in friendly..means that the team is getting the publicity it deserves..home and abroad./
Thisi I agree with. If people are treating players like china dolls, then where do we draw the line. Fact of the matter is, in the origial schedule before the shuffling, there would've been near two weeks of void between the league matches in middle of the June. Do you honestly think Cummins and coaching staff would use that void to send the players home to "protect" them from getting injured? Or do you think they'll line up some type of simulated games (intra-squad, local clubs etc) along with their usual practices to keep the fitness and sharpness up? I'm willing to bet that regardless of this extra friendly, the players would've been exposed to just as much or even more "hazardous" conditions to fill the void during the downtime. So, do we stop that too? Or what about all those friendlies played before the season? It's one thing to play against RSL or DCU, but what advantage do we really gain by playing some scrubs from local college? If your reasoning is to keep their match fitness, wouldn't it be better to play an intra-squad than to play some hacks who pose even greater risk? What if some Joe Soccerplayer from some Florida Bullhit College nailed Dero or Robo with a season ending injury because they didn't tackle properly? What happens to our playoff run? I didn't see anyone complaining back then.
My point is, some of you're really stretching this potential injury risk way out of proportion. It's just one extra game. You don't like friendlies, fine, that's your personal preference and I perfectly respect that, and let's leave it at that. But when you start making injury excuese, now you're openiing a whole another can of worm.
Just wondering, forget about all these "supposed" friendlies for a second. Let's just say we have about a week of downttime with no league game and, out of blue, TFC somehow miraculously scheduled a closed door game against Real Madrid. Do we still hear same complaints about injuries and potential risk about this "meaningless" game?
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Well this was an excellent read and well thought out.......I really never thought it out along these lines.
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Because I don't agree doesn't mean I think your feelings are silly. I just thought it was a funny comment based on how much attention this has received on the board over the weekend (and it was more the WAG comment, but anyway) Nothing more.
Besides - it's not that I don't agree with you on the matter. I just don't think it's as big a deal as some people...
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I don't care if people disagree with me. Shoot...people disagree all the time. I disagree with them just as much and if I want to express my opinion I should expect others to be able to express theirs. You don't feel the same way...I can understand that! I don't expect you to feel the same way as me.
But I am tired of this "RPB are whining" crap. You know what? RPB putting together an effort to let the team know what supporters need and want has led to many positive initiatives that now all supporters benefit from. And anyone who wants to get on their high horse and mock RPBs on THIS board that is owned by RPB can take their opinions and shove it in any one of their own orifices of their choosing.
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A wee elephant bouncing on a trampoline? Art, pure art right there!
edit: where is that from anyway? It's fun to watch
Has this friendly with Madrid been confirmed or is this still speculation?
Don't really feel like reading 16 pages of posts
My problem isn't with charging extra for Real, it's the message of "you're good enough for this, but not good enough for that". It's hard to not see it as a slap in the face. More to my point, it's a situation that could have been avoided. If they gave us no friendlies (and offered the Canada Cup games) and charged us for all friendlies it wouldn't be insulting. But to create a situation that ultimate says we'll spend "this" much on you but not "that" much creates a situation that is going to rub people the wrong way.
Has this friendly with Madrid been confirmed or is this still speculation?
Don't really feel like reading 16 pages of posts
it is confirmed as well as 2 weeks of grass on BMO
from what I have been told, during that same time period, another uefa champions league squad has been all but confirmed to play as well as a concacaf opponent (likely the carlsberg cup).
This is too much. You have truly lost the plot, whoever you are.
Am I the only person who doesn't look to see whether a poster is an RPB member or not, before I post?
I do think this board has an identity crisis. As far as I'm concerned, this isn't "your" board, and there is no "us". I come for high quality TFC discussion, that's pretty much it. That used to be OK. Despite what appear to be your best efforts to stifle debate on topics you don't like the other side on, that's still the case. For now.
And for the record, I have never once "crapped" on RPB. I just crap on poorly-thought-through ideas by people I don't know. I have no special feeling for RPB, I used to be much more positive towards it, but several of these episodes have left me feeling pretty cold about what is going on.
I remember the history. This used to be mainly a Section 112 board, with some really smart footy people (many of which are gone). You got validation because mlsintoronto started coming on, and your registered numbers exploded.
Until you make it a members-only site, you don't "own" this site at all.
Until you ban me, or the better posters move to bigsoccer or whatever, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing. Whether it's "OK" with you or not.
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Roogsy... you're seriously a spin doctor... you've just outline how fragile the league is and how sad the current state of affairs is around the league. If indeed DCU was top in attendance after winning hardware after hardware, and then suddenly they've declined... that's just sad. If you look at others sports this doesn't happen to the Big Cities aka the Gems of said sport... Also, the MLS has absolutely zero clout over the community and city officials. If DCU was bringing in the $$$ for the city it would be a bad business case for them to neglect them the stadium... numbers $$$ don't lie...
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woooooow hold on there a second.... people still have no clue who mlsintoronto is... and when he started posting he made sure he did so at all the other supporter sites. To say we exploded because mlsintoronto came on board is down right silly... you might as well disregard every chant, every banner, every flag, every scarf, every roadtrip, every tailgate, and every march we organized in the early years... ooh yeah even the calendar...
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A) Look at the banner on the top of the page - It says "Red Patch Boys", thus this is their boards. Red Patch members pay for the hosting and maintenance of this site, it is a privilege for all others to be on it.
B) This was NEVER a Section 112 board, there has always been individuals with tickets all over the stadium and individuals with no tickets at all. From day one.
I'm not sure what your motivations are here, but most are just trying to create a better experience for the fans of Toronto FC and to support a football team on the field. The Toronto FC front office has a different agenda, thus there needs to be consistent communication with the membership and fans to ensure that the balance remains fair. Pretty simple.
I love it when people claim they don't insult the Red Patch Boys right after they make posts that clearly do. And I quote:
You gotta be kidding me. This isn't even close to being true. I should know...I've been posting on the "RPB" forum (in all it's forms) since December of 2006 and this is revionist history in it's purest form.
Talk about losing the plot. The Red Patch Boys don't own the Red Patch Boys Forum. What a weird Monday morning.
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what is this thread about now???
generalizing the thread into 2 camps. Surprise
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It's a sad slap of reality...but that is the truth. The league is facing some difficult markets in the US. If it weren't for us and Seattle...the average attendance would be disgustingly low.
And it does happen in other sports. Attendance is a real problem in the US right now in several sports, has been for years.
As to what happens in other sports or other cities...each city and sport is different. Using DC again as an example...city council bent over backwards to bring in the Expos (who never contributed a dime to DC by the way) and even went out of their way to spend on the stadium etc. and look at their attendance. One of the worst in Major League Baseball.
And yet they received council support.
It is true Flush...numbers don't lie. This isn't about spinning...these are the facts. And you have yet to explain how a Real Madrid type game would help DC out of their rut since you have compared them to our Madrid situation.
guys these things are really not that hard to check lol
- 1996: 15,262/18,946 (won mls cup)
- 1997: 16,698/20,202 (won mls cup)
- 1998: 16,008/14,903
- 1999: 17,419/12,647 (won mls cup)
- 2000: 18,580/missed playoffs
- 2001: 21,518/missed playoffs
- 2002: 16,519/missed playoffs
- 2003: 15,565/15,202
- 2004: 17,232/18,842 (won mls cup)
- 2005: 16,664/20,089
- 2006: 18,215/20,504
- 2007: 20,967/19,438
- 2008: 19,835/missed playoffs
Domestic
- MLS Cup:
- Winners (4): 1996, 1997, 1999, 2004
- Runners-up (1): 1998
- MLS Supporters' Shield:
- Winners (4): 1997, 1999, 2006, 2007
- Runners-up (1): 1998
- U.S. Open Cup:
- Winners (2): 1996, 2008
- Runners-up (1): 1997
International
- CONCACAF Champions' Cup:
- Winners (1): 1998
- Third place (3): 1997, 1999, 2007
- CONCACAF Giants Cup:
- Runners-up (1): 2001
- InterAmerican Cup:
- Winners (1): 1998
BBB...would you say these are league leading attendance numbers in each year? Looks like it to me.
leading maybe, not best, isn't LA well over 20k?
I just ment it doesn't seem dependant on winning the cup to me (twice it went up, twice it went down
i don't think it's ever going to be higher as long as we're playing in place where at any moment you can die in a cave in
As for higher attendance, you're right...not in that cave.
But I never thought DCU was a proper example to begin with. I don't see your attendance as being the obstacle to getting city support. The lack of support from council is a whole different "ball game" if you will allow the analogy.
yes, it's ego and politics and politician scum not getting bribed enough
I don't have to explain how it will help them out of their rut because one tactic or strategy alone won't help a club. What I am saying is that it will contribute to the exposure if the team sells tickets well beyond their average and introduces new fans to the team.
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OK...you and I have gone back and forth on this and Jack is right, we have a big game tomorrow. So this will be my last comment on this and if you want to respond and close the thread...I am cool with that.
But with regards to your points. I agree that a multipronged marketing strategy is good. And for that reason, I begrudgingly accept that friendlies have to happen even if tactically they are a horrible idea. And Real Madrid is a stupendous way to market a game...much better than Joe Public FC.
However.
The pros have to weigh out the cons. And because of the points I have repeatedly made (and gone unanswered) I don't believe they do. Or at least, not enough to justify moving a fixture and adding a game.
If this RM game was THE friendly of the season...I wouldn't be howling about it. But it isn't. It's a second friendly added in the middle of the season.
Does this add to the exposure of the team? I don't think it does. TFC won't get much more coverage from this game. What you will have at the game is a large percentage of RM fans that will likely not come back for a TFC game.
Does it sell tickets "beyond their average"? No it does not. It does add to the total ticket count at the end of the season, but does nothing to the average since we sell out every game.
If this concept was so good. We should be adding 3 or 4 of these friendlies a season. But we don't. Not because we can't. Give teams enough money and they will come and each fanbase will come watch Celtic, United and the Old Lady. But because it simply is foolish to add fixtures to an already tight season when it does nothing to help the team succeed and it does nothing to add exposure to the team.
Now I will give you the downside. Let's say TFC go on their annual summer slide. And we are in the middle of a losing streak like we were last year. And then RM come to town and paste us 6-1.
What kind of exposure is that? How many "new fans" will be created? I would hope that doesn't happen...and on top of that I would hope we don't lose someone like Robbo to injury because if we do and then miss the playoffs....oh man.
That is all from me. I don't have any ill will towards bringing a big club to Toronto. I think it's great. But for me the concern is for TFC and I simply don't see enough of that here because we are all starstruck with the Galacticos coming to town. And it saddens me.
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