Today’s News, Thursday , Apr.30

[denime]

Mornin'


`Laid-back' Cummins takes over TFC's reins
Carver successor vows `attacking football' from East conference leader
Daniel Girard

Chris Cummins, the new interim head coach of Toronto FC, says he's not the type of guy to get too worked up about poor officiating.
"Things like that don't bother me if I'm honest with you," Cummins said yesterday after being named successor to John Carver, who quit last week. "I'm quite laid back."

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Cue up the Crew
TFC's fierce rivals from Columbus poised to invade BMO Field
By BILL LANKHOF

The Columbus Crew is coming to Toronto.
Quick, someone hide the women and children.
The Crew and Toronto FC bring out the beast in each other -- and that's just in the stands.
If this were the western frontier of the 1800s, Saturday's meeting would be the equivalent of the Clanton boys riding into Tombstone to party with the Earps.

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Playoffs, or pride?
Ryan Johnston

Quick thought: It is impossible to spell fact or fiction without T, F, or C.

Anyhow, it was this line of thinking that prompted me to corner the man behind the matches at BMO Field this summer, friend of new media and Director of Business Operations for Toronto FC, Paul Beirne.
In its three-year existence, Toronto FC has been active in organizing friendly dates at BMO Field that satisfies the international football flavour of the people who walk through the turnstiles each summer.

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Out with the old

Never a dull moment. I drove down the QEW to Oakville Wednesday morning to interview former Toronto FC coach John Carver, and
less than two hours later I was at the TFC news conference announcing Chris Cummins as interim coach.
First things first.
You"ll be able to catch the interview with Carver in the video section of our website and you can also watch it on the Stetanta Sports Canada edition of Soccercentral Thursday evening at 8:45 EDT.

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Mo making moves to strengthen Toronto FC's footing
By LANCE HORNBY

Having absorbed the speed bump of John Carver's resignation, manager Mo Johnston is trying to keep the Toronto FC bus in the fast lane.
There are injured players to be worked back into the lineup such as Dwayne De Rosario (hamstring) and first-round pick O'Brian White (knee), teenage Gambian defender Amadou Sanyang is being evaluated with more kids en route while the search continues for a centre back, a position Johnston said was the "missing piece of the puzzle" during the pre-season.

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Cummins delighted by appointment
Reds Interim Head Coach ready to meet challenge

Chris Cummins was appointed as Toronto FC's new Interim Head Coach Wednesday and is ready to meet the challenge of his new position. "I'm delighted to be given the opportunity." said Cummins. "People have got faith in me and have seen what I have been able to do over the last few weeks and it is important that I continue that now. It's not a case of relaxing now I have got the job. We have to build on what we have achieved so far and stay at the top of the table. We're always looking to develop and progress."

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Carver talks to Soccercentral
SPORTSNET.CA

John Carver's tenure as coach of Toronto FC came to an unceremonious end when the club issued a press release announcing the second-year coach had resigned one day before he was to coach his team at BMO Field.

Soccercentral's Gerry Dobson sat down with Carver in an exclusive interview to find out what happened.

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Hart in charge again
MATTHEW WUEST

When Stephen Hart moved to Canada in 1980, he loved soccer. But if someone had told him he would one day be one of Canada’s most influential figures in the sport, the native of Trinidad and Tobago might have laughed heartily.

“I actually came to Canada to do a degree along the lines of something marine,” says Hart, who is now interim head coach of Canada’s men’s team, as well as the technical director of the Canadian Soccer Association. “My intentions were completely different. But fate had it differently.”

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SUNSHINE

[sidvan]

Morning Denime, Thanks again for this

[boban]

Mornin'


`Laid-back' Cummins takes over TFC's reins
Carver successor vows `attacking football' from East conference leader
Daniel Girard

Chris Cummins, the new interim head coach of Toronto FC, says he's not the type of guy to get too worked up about poor officiating.
"Things like that don't bother me if I'm honest with you," Cummins said yesterday after being named successor to John Carver, who quit last week. "I'm quite laid back."

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Interesting story behind this headline.
Carver bailed. Quit!!
Looks like some members were right in their hunch all along that the story sold to us was not in fact entirely true.....

http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/sh...ad.php?t=12828

http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/sh...=12600&page=35

[TFC Bhoy]

Great reads thanks!! Nothing like getting to work bright and early and getting the latest updates before actually working haha. Always a pleasure!

[The Kingpin]

While Carver said in an interview this week the "last straw" was being ordered by MLS to return to the sidelines after spending a game coaching from a private box atop BMO Field and "out of the firing line" of on-field officials, TFC general manager Mo Johnston yesterday said it was Toronto management who made the request.

"John wanted to sit upstairs, we wanted him to sit downstairs," Johnston said after announcing the appointment of Cummins and the elevation of Canadian Nick Dasovic to be TFC's first assistant coach.

"John had numerous things going on that had to be taken care of," Johnston said. "That wasn't the breaking point."

It really and truly was only a matter of time before MLSE/TFC would throw carver under the bus. I mentioned this in a thread/discussion last night:

We all know that MLSE will throw it's own to the wolves if it means saving face - all we have to consider is the John Ferguson Jr. hiring/firing. I find it astounding that his head was the only one on the block. I'm not naive here, I understand the business model, but the sporting ineptitude is baffling. It's the ability to generate revenue that all is hinged upon - as Paul Bierne has jokingly, though smugly, acknowledged earlier in this thread. So what am I saying? They let John Carver flounder in his inexperience with the MLS and its overall ineptitude in building a league with overall quality. They did not use this as a platform to discuss the significantly under par officiating. It is my belief that if they devalue the quality of the league in any way it will affect the bottom line - thus they prefer a poorer product in lieu of profits.

At this point I will not even broach the fact that Cummins will end up being the full time manager regardless of his success rate, simply as a cost cutting measure. The fans in Toronto deserve more; will MLSE give it to them? I think not. John Carver was the curator of his own demise, no doubt - but he was on his own in the front lines, and for that I think that his front office 'team' let him down. Just my thoughts from the outside - I'm certain there are stories that may surface in future altering this viewpoint - for better or worse...

[ensco]

It really and truly was only a matter of time before MLSE/TFC would throw carver under the bus. I mentioned this in a thread/discussion last night:

Maybe. Or maybe Mo/MLSE had to step in because Carver was denigrating the product.

Carver's response, that he is under a confidentiality agreement, is very, very meaningful. People who get mad and quit don't sign these, in my experience, because the whole point of "quitting on a point of principle" is that the person resigning refuses to be gagged.

I have no problem with this at all. I'm glad Carver is getting his dough. I'm pretty sure we all wish him the best. But I think this confirms the following: Mo and Carver wrote a script and sealed it with a confidentiality agreement.

[keem-o-sabi]

coed girl

[The Kingpin]

Maybe. Or maybe Mo/MLSE had to step in because Carver was denigrating the product.

Carver's response, that he is under a confidentiality agreement, is very, very meaningful. People who get mad and quit don't sign these, in my experience, because the whole point of "quitting on a point of principle" is that the person resigning refuses to be gagged.

I have no problem with this at all. I'm glad Carver is getting his dough. I'm pretty sure we all wish him the best. But I think this confirms the following: Mo and Carver wrote a script and sealed it with a confidentiality agreement.

Usually a confidentiality agreement is agreed upon just after an initial contract is signed. It is not common to sign one just prior to being released from your duties or quitting - regardless of the situation. Unless you know otherwise - does it say he signed it recently?

[Jack]

Or maybe they want their team to get a fair shake from the refs and they think that backing away from Carver's hardline stance will help them on the field.

There are a lot of theories we could bandy about. I will wait and see what Cummins can do with this team before I make a statement like this: At this point I will not even broach the fact that Cummins will end up being the full time manager regardless of his success rate, simply as a cost cutting measure. The fans in Toronto deserve more; will MLSE give it to them? I think not.

If and when Cummins becomes the full time manager then this issue will be addressed. Until then it's all speculation, some of it bordering on the ludicrous. Never mind the fact you say you will not even broach the subject while doing just that.

I understand the mindset of not blindly trusting MLSE, but I don't understand the mindset of blindly mistrusting them completely.

[ensco]

Usually a confidentiality agreement is agreed upon just after an initial contract is signed. It is not common to sign one just prior to being released from your duties or quitting - regardless of the situation. Unless you know otherwise - does it say he signed it recently?

I don't "know" anything, but I think you may find your assertion above is incorrect, as it relates to severance and release from higher-wage contracts. No offence, but it's more than common, it's pretty much universal.

Something like this must have happened:

Carver says nothing until Mo implies he cracked at the press conference Sunday.
All of a sudden Carver starts granting interviews.
Is he violating the Confidentiality Agreement?
Mo gets mad and fires a salvo back.
Carver clams up again.

The faster Carver goes back to UK, the better for him.

[King Jeff]

The league may have only itself to blame. When Toronto joined the MLS in 2007, it set up the Trillium Cup, a three-game series in hopes of fostering a rivalry with Columbus. It has worked, perhaps, a bit too well.

Rolf. Talk about missing the point entirely.

[drewski]

Usually a confidentiality agreement is agreed upon just after an initial contract is signed. It is not common to sign one just prior to being released from your duties or quitting - regardless of the situation. Unless you know otherwise - does it say he signed it recently?

+1

usually if you sign a confidentiality agreement at the end, its because you've agreed to a big settlement, which isn't the case here

[denime]

Ok guys here is the deal.

I know some of you can get over the Carver thing and that's fine.
If you want to discus further about what happened there is thread to do so.
There are register users and members of this forum who would like to move on but they can't since Carver conspiracy is coming back and always from same ppl.
Please stop spamming every second thread in this forum with Carver conspiracy,go to Carver merged thread and have a blast for the rest of the year if you want.

Carver conspiracy thread:
http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/sh...=12600&page=35


Let the rest of us move on.

We have a KKCrew coming to town in 2 days with believe or not 100 supporters.

[ensco]

+1

usually if you sign a confidentiality agreement at the end, its because you've agreed to a big settlement, which isn't the case here

Anyone in a high profile position in any business, who is asked to leave, or where it's mutually agreed that he/she will leave, has to sign these just to get paid out on an existing contract. For just the reason we're seeing.

This isn't a contentious point. Really.

[The Kingpin]

Or maybe they want their team to get a fair shake from the refs and they think that backing away from Carver's hardline stance will help them on the field.

There are a lot of theories we could bandy about. I will wait and see what Cummins can do with this team before I make a statement like this: At this point I will not even broach the fact that Cummins will end up being the full time manager regardless of his success rate, simply as a cost cutting measure. The fans in Toronto deserve more; will MLSE give it to them? I think not.

If and when Cummins becomes the full time manager then this issue will be addressed. Until then it's all speculation, some of it bordering on the ludicrous. Never mind the fact you say you will not even broach the subject while doing just that.

I understand the mindset of not blindly trusting MLSE, but I don't understand the mindset of blindly mistrusting them completely.

I understand that you have a sanctity to protect thus your statement is positioned appropriately. By not 'broaching' the subject, I'm not investigating it deeply, thus I'm not 'broaching' the issue in my traditional fashion. I don't think I blindly mistrust MLSE completely - that is unfounded rhetoric on your part. And it's quite clear that this is what you are insinuating, unless I am wrong, then I will stand corrected. But ultimately, you may call discussing what is a massive paradigm shift in this clubs short history 'ludicrous', I call it sensible.

As I watch from a distance, I feel I have a much clearer picture than when I was 'involved' with the club. The fact that I have an understanding of both sides allows me a unique perspective, one that unfortunately you do not have. But what you do have is the history of following Toronto sports, more specifically MLSE, and its affiliate clubs. This type of scenario is pandemic to the Toronto sports scene. Now as president of your group, you need to keep a positive tone; I need to understand what lies in the future. Thus, I think that this is an attempt to placate a reality. Cummins is another unproven entity - teams across the sporting universe have the ability to find new coaches/managers - I ask again; why do we expect less?

[The Kingpin]

Anyone in a high profile position in any business, who is asked to leave, or where it's mutually agreed that he/she will leave, has to sign these just to get paid out on an existing contract. For just the reason we're seeing.

This isn't a contentious point. Really.

Though not contentious, I agree, we are probably talking about two different things. When you join an organisation where you will be exposed to sensitive materials or client/partner strategies/planning you are expected to sign a ND agreement - I have signed many. Now when you are released you may be asked to sign an agreement in lieu of payment - thus avoiding any potential wrongful dismissal charges in future and the ability to control your PR. I assume this is what you are referring to... Again, I'm not sure about this agreement as I haven't seen it.

[Jack]

I say again: what is the problem with a team appointing an assistant as interim manager when their head coach resigns/is fired during the course of the season? This happens all over the sporting world without a conspiracy theory attached. I don't understand how the appointment of Cummins as interim manager is being seen as some sinister move to diminish the quality of the team and lower our expectations.

If Cummins can't do the job, then he will be removed. In the mean time, the search for another manager can be carried out, but you still need someone to take the reins.

I certainly don't expect any less of my team than I did a week ago, regardless of who is running the show. The results on the pitch will bear this out in time. If Cummins can't get it right, someone else will have to be brought in. . I don't think there is a long queue for the position, especially since Carver gave no real indication he was on his way out.

[ensco]

Though not contentious, I agree, we are probably talking about two different things. When you join an organisation where you will be exposed to sensitive materials or client/partner strategies/planning you are expected to sign a ND agreement - I have signed many. Now when you are released you may be asked to sign an agreement in lieu of payment - thus avoiding any potential wrongful dismissal charges in future and the ability to control your PR. I assume this is what you are referring to... Again, I'm not sure about this agreement as I haven't seen it.

Not in lieu of payment, but in order to keep receiving the moneys you are owed under the contract.

It's why departed coaches generally have very little that's bad to say about their former clubs (it also must be pointed out that it would be considered sour grapes by future employers). Here's a recent example of someone doing it that got some press:
http://nhlhomeice.com/wp/?tag=confidentiality-agreement

Be interesting to see if Carver goes ahead with the CBC interview today and, if he does, whether he has much to say.

[DOMIN8R]

"We had targeted two (international transfers), myself and John, but now we have to re-evaluate. ," Johnston said yesterday at the press conference formally announcing Chris Cummins as interim head coach and Canadian Nick Dasovic as first assistant.

"We have to speak to the (new) coaches because they might want to change one or two guys in the room. I'm more than happy to do that, but what we can't do is upset the first team."

Maybe this is the team. No more addtions to come? If they keep playing the way they have been, I can live with that.

[Carter]

Mornin'



SUNSHINE

There is no way shes only 18, she looks older than me for crying out loud, and i still get ID'd at BMO every week by the same Beer Girl.. and im almost 30.

[bhoybobby]

Or maybe they want their team to get a fair shake from the refs and they think that backing away from Carver's hardline stance will help them on the field.

There are a lot of theories we could bandy about. I will wait and see what Cummins can do with this team before I make a statement like this: At this point I will not even broach the fact that Cummins will end up being the full time manager regardless of his success rate, simply as a cost cutting measure. The fans in Toronto deserve more; will MLSE give it to them? I think not.

If and when Cummins becomes the full time manager then this issue will be addressed. Until then it's all speculation, some of it bordering on the ludicrous. Never mind the fact you say you will not even broach the subject while doing just that.

I understand the mindset of not blindly trusting MLSE, but I don't understand the mindset of blindly mistrusting them completely.

It's funny how the sand in this story keeps shifting & te truth is being peeled back

Bottom line is Assman & Mo couldn't manage an over reacting Carver. Mo & the Assman are yes men, Carver got himself hysterical over something he could do nothing about, officiating.

TFC mgmt could have pursued JC's concerns through the correct channels, but clearly the Assman thinks it's o.k.

Cummins seems to have the right attitude about refs, as for Mo & the Assman, yeah, yeah, yeah keep cashing the cheques, useless spineless pair of ball lickers

[Oldtimer]

As "frugal" as MLSE can be at times, I agree with Jack. It only makes sense to keep Cummins for the rest of the season, anything else, and we've already written off this year.

If Cummins does well, he keeps the job. If not, he gets replaced.

[bhoybobby]

"We had targeted two (international transfers), myself and John, but now we have to re-evaluate. ," Johnston said yesterday at the press conference formally announcing Chris Cummins as interim head coach and Canadian Nick Dasovic as first assistant.

"We have to speak to the (new) coaches because they might want to change one or two guys in the room. I'm more than happy to do that, but what we can't do is upset the first team."

Maybe this is the team. No more addtions to come? If they keep playing the way they have been, I can live with that.

We're not deep enough in talent as a squad, one or two key injuries, we're fecked,

[scooter]

mornin d

[Technorgasm]

Ok guys here is the deal.

I know some of you can get over the Carver thing and that's fine.
If you want to discus further about what happened there is thread to do so.
There are register users and members of this forum who would like to move on but they can't since Carver conspiracy is coming back and always from same ppl.
Please stop spamming every second thread in this forum with Carver conspiracy,go to Carver merged thread and have a blast for the rest of the year if you want.

Carver conspiracy thread:
http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/sh...=12600&page=35


Let the rest of us move on.

We have a KKCrew coming to town in 2 days with believe or not 100 supporters.

YES PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY MOVE THE FUCK ON!!!

jeebus.

I can barely sleep with the excitment building up to this match v the CREW.

lets have a look shall we (and I havent even read the bloomin news)

1. We are steaming, haven beat 2 of the top teams to get clear at the top of the east.
2. Crew have not won a game and are ripe for the squashing
3. Hedjuk, pedula will not be starting for Crew
4. We have NEVER beat them
5. Trillum cup

Need I say more, I mean. . COme ON!!!

kill these fuckers, bash the dorks! Kick their butts!

[Lucky Strike]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/blogs...offs_or_pride/

Did anyone notice in this article, TFC said no mid-season friendlies? So far anyway; it sounds like they realize how busy the schedule is and are prioritizing. At least that was the way I interpreted it. If true, this is a great move; I've always disliked the mis-season friendlies. What do you think?

[Carter]

YES PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY MOVE THE FUCK ON!!!

jeebus.

I can barely sleep with the excitment building up to this match v the CREW.

lets have a look shall we (and I havent even read the bloomin news)

1. We are steaming, haven beat 2 of the top teams to get clear at the top of the east.
2. Crew have not won a game and are ripe for the squashing
3. Hedjuk, pedula will not be starting for Crew
4. We have NEVER beat them
5. Trillum cup

Need I say more, I mean. . COme ON!!!

kill these fuckers, bash the dorks! Kick their butts!

Steal their women and Drink their BEERS!!!!!

[Technorgasm]

Carver Quit. Hes gone, no amount of internet noodling is going to do shit about it.
Deal with it.

[Fort York Redcoat]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/blogs...offs_or_pride/

Did anyone notice in this article, TFC said no mid-season friendlies? So far anyway; it sounds like they realize how busy the schedule is and are prioritizing. At least that was the way I interpreted it. If true, this is a great move; I've always disliked the mis-season friendlies. What do you think?

I agree. No mid season friendlies now that we have the V cup, and international competition. Now for the All star game...

[Technorgasm]

Steal their women and Drink their BEERS!!!!!

ummm.. . . I'll pass thanks

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