what are you smoking mo suck.Originally Posted by LucaGol
jc is better on the bench.
what are you smoking mo suck.
jc is better on the bench.
wow, you continue to amaze me Mighty_Torontofc_2008
I think we should pass judgement at the end of the season.
However, I feel like someone has deflated my balloon because this team is not performing as well as I thought they would.
Crying out for his head won't do anything, unless we have somebody in mind to replace him.
¡Vamos Celta!
There's a reason why Carver said what he did at the press conference yesterday.
I feel as if Mo is ruthless ... if he fears his own job is in danger because JC is underperforming as a coach, he'll cut him loose. It'll be about survival for MoJo; dog-eat-dog.
I think JC's head is more on the chopping block than we think.
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I'm becoming disillusioned with the play of our team in general. Not sure who I would shoulder with the blame yet.
Crying out for Carver's head is just too easy. He makes some suspect substitution decisions, but those decisions usually come after 45-60 minutes of shitty play from our team. And I don't know if the problem is a bad strategy, or bad players not executing Carver's strategy.
I will say I wasn't impressed with Carver's post-game interview last night, where he said we "dominated" the second half, and blamed the referees for everything. We did okay in the second half, but all it did was get us back to even ground, after shitting the bed in the first half AGAIN. And while that penalty robbed us of a point, it should be the two goals that went in before that one, that concerns him.
There's still lots of time to turn this season around, though, and I'm willing to give the team another 8-10 games to show us that they were just starting out flatfooted. Beyond that, if things haven't improved, then personnel changes need to be made.
I'm a really patient supporter, as long as the team is clearly getting BETTER. So far at this early point of the season, the team has not looked better. And someone - be it players, coaches, managers, or some combination of the three - will have to own up to that, if it doesn't improve.
- Scott
“Heroism breaks its heart, and idealism its back, on the intransigence of the credulous and the mediocre, manipulated by the cynical and the corrupt.” ~Christopher Hitchens
i hope not, I haven't' even got my In Carver We Trust scarf yet
rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble
Fuck off.
In Carver I trust.
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Great, thanks.
Sure, we'll be successful long-term .... successful at achieving mediocrity and playing attrociously unattractive and just plain bad soccer (for MLS standards) in the process. Can't wait. Sign me up.
Dude, why do you even post on here? Every single day I see another of your posts, each more depressing and sarcastic than the last. I guess you think part of being a fan is being a whiny bitch, but I'm glad I'm not in your section.
Win or lose, these guys are great fun to watch. Love em, even if KC is the only win they get all season.
You're kidding me, right?
As do i my brother as do i.
WALK ON!!
I think we need to address some positions...and soon. We have Edwards/Sutton who we don't need both of. Why do we need 3 keepers? We have Guevara who has never shown the heart he has for Honduras when wearing a TFC shirt. I say trade him.
Trade these assets for a CB and competent winger. Cronin isn't a winger, and as well as Ibrahim has played, he certainly isn't a game-changer.
We can drop DeRo back into Guevara's midfield role and play Dichio & Vitti/Barrett (if necessary) up front.
Carver has given me exactly zero reasons to gain my trust.
And btw, Mo was absolutely given the green-light to go ahead and sign a DP. It was on the news. I don't know why people lie to make him look better. There is no one but Mo to blame for our lack of a DP ... not that I care about it anymore since a DP striker would still leave a huge hole in our backline named Harmse and all sorts of other fundamental problems plaguing the team right now.
As somebody pointed out earlier, the team plays well when they're fresh out of the dressing room, be it the start of the game or after the half. Clearly he can get the team to produce when his voice is fresh in their heads. There should be a player on the field whose job is to keep the team focused, alert on on the game plan. Perhaps we could call this player a "captain" or something.
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Hold on a second...
What's with this 5-Year Plan anyway? I keep seeing it pop up in these sort of threads all the time, but I personally don't recall anyone from the club mentioning such a thing.
Has this 5-Year Plan been fabricated by supporters here on the boards or what's the deal?
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Oh, and here's a bit of Mo Jo history for everyone:
"Johnston retired after the 2001 season, and from 2003 to 2005 was an assistant coach to Bob Bradley for the MetroStars. After Bradley was fired with three games left in the 2005 season, Johnston was named interim head coach. He led the team to the playoffs and was promoted to the full-time position with re-branded Red Bull New York after the season. On June 27, 2006, after a 2-3-7 start to the 2006 season, Johnston was fired."
That means Carver getting the axe fairly soon isn't outside the realm of possibility. We're already at 1-2-2.
heart break lose tho
The key point is that Carver himself feels that his job is in jeapordy, more than whether we like/dislike his tactics.
We know that Mo is ruthless, and wouldn't hesitate to throw Carver under the bus.
Ask Serioux. Ask any of the GMs taken by him in a trade.
MLS is a tough, physical league, that emphasizes speed, and features plastic fields, grueling travel, extreme weather, and incompetent refs. - NK Toronto
I think Carver is being realistic. He is having trouble getting his team to compete and he feels in this case that the refs are a big contributor to that situation.
You can't fire the team, but you can fire the coach. I think it would be silly for Carver not to acknowlege that, every coach of a major club knows this. He made many refrences to 'fan opinion' and media pressures. Witout doubt he is feeling a bit of the heat.
He needs to stop bitching about the refs, we all know they are shit and don't have to answer to anyone.
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Agreed. Hanging that result around the referee's neck was stupid. Carver should be more concerned about the two goals that went in before the penalty.
And the complete lack of continuous possession by our side in the first half, where we couldn't string three passes together more than once or twice.
- Scott
“Heroism breaks its heart, and idealism its back, on the intransigence of the credulous and the mediocre, manipulated by the cynical and the corrupt.” ~Christopher Hitchens
Tactically I think Carver is showing his weakness. I really wish we had come out of the Dallas game with a win, though. We'd be posting in a "Carver is God" thread instead.
Things may be taken a little bit more seriously than intended.
Remember back in the spring when Carver and the other coaches ran scrimmages, and commented that they made random calls to give the players the feel of the officiating. At the time, it was said tongue in cheek, but we all know that there is a hint of truth to it.
Carver's outbursts against the referees have been under some control for the most part. He's asked the media to give their opinion and has, from time to time, told it as he sees it. He commented yesterday immediately following the heat of the competition, when emotions are running high. It seems to me that at these times he may be given to use a little dramatic effect, and I think that it is the case here.
His comments remind me of a baseball manager. I've been around ball games most of my life, and I've seen many, many managers come out of the dugout and have a go at the umpire. I've never seen an umpire change their mind during that time. And I've seen many managers thrown out, seemingly wiht no effect.
The manager's actions are meant to have an effect on his team (and maybe to get the next call from the umpire, who may now have the tiniest seed of doubt about the call). The players now know that the coach is willing to go in there and fight for them, even if he knows he is going to lose. Often times, it makes the team pick up a little.
Maybe this is one of those times.
I'm sure there will be some coaches available once the summer break starts in Europe with all the relegations and what not, plus I think Dale Mitchell is available
I am in no way calling for Carver's head with that statement but he knew what the expectations were going and and he's currently not meeting them so the time will come (if everything stays the same) that he knows he hasn't performed.
Last edited by T_Mizz; 04-20-2009 at 02:31 PM.
I'll predict that if/when Carver is fired, Mo goes back down on the field himself.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
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If Carver gets canned, and if it's mid-season, I predict that too.
- Scott
“Heroism breaks its heart, and idealism its back, on the intransigence of the credulous and the mediocre, manipulated by the cynical and the corrupt.” ~Christopher Hitchens
I think they need to get back to basics...too much messing around with technology for fitness and game reviewing....they need to be on the pitch with a ball and pylons, and by pylons i don't mean the players.
Totally agree. All that high-tech wizardry hasn't done shit for us.
Alan Pardew is looking for a job right now
Well since we are onto Leafs comparisons here it goes. Ron Wilson took a team this year who was supposed to be utter shite by all accounts and somehow got them to play some pretty good hockey at times. In fact he's so good, he managed to play us out of a shot at Tavares. You can see right now that with the right players, Ron can take this Leafs team back to the playoffs without a problem.
Carver on the other hand has never shown that he can take a bad team and make them perform up to or even better then expectations as Ron did. Instead, he has actually managed to make this team perform even worst then most people expected. This year, he's had an entire pre-season with the right players to work with and we are off to a worst start then last year. Not only that, the scariest thing of all is that we have a better team on paper, but yet we play the exact same system of long ball that has proven time and time again to be the worst system in all of football.
It is for this reason that I say Fire Carver! and keep Mo (for now). He's one CB from completing a very good team on paper, minus the coach of course.
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