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    Default Open Letter to Toronto FC RE: Media

    Please continue your discussion here. I'd prefer if the other thread could die, and if possible be renamed and locked. I'll paste the letter below.

    You can direct your questions to the club, and if you really need to single out an individual then let it be me.

    Here's Tim's letter:

    You are aware that as a result certain journalists in Toronto have characterized TFC fans as ‘hooligans” and being part of a “firm”. You have undoubtedly been made aware that a number of commentators have directly blamed TFC supporters groups like the North End Elite, U Sector and the Red patch Boys for encouraging and not addressing this kind of activity. “Hooligan” and “firm” are terms that some media throw around without apparently understand the true meaning of the words and the serious impact they can have on the reputation of an individual or a group.
    You must also be aware that these allegations are for the most part off base. Your own Director of TFC Security stated on a supporters message board this week that “…the behavior of the supporters on Saturday was very good indeed. Other than the throwing of a few cups of beer on the park, during and after the game… it doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine that the overwhelming majority of our supporters come to games with one aim on mind, to watch the Reds win a game of football. But it only takes one or two people who throw things onto the park to have everyone tarred with the same brush. I sincerely encourage the atmosphere we have at BMO, but let’s keep all that energy to supporting the boys and not to doing something stupid that will have a long lasting effect on all of us…”

    TFC’s own Director of Security states that he is aware that the actions of a few unaffiliated individuals should not be used to characterize all of us as unruly fans or hooligans. On many occasions Supporters Group members have reported having to address from the general public comments and remarks about alleged hooliganism and behavior that implies that what these individuals are reading about in the media must be true. These comments from the general public are based on the distortions and in some cases outright lies that have been published and have gone unchallenged or corrected by your group.

    Toronto FC has marketed the club to a large degree based on the atmosphere and game day experience that the Supporters Groups largely contribute to. Yet when these very individuals and groups, so important to the future success of the club, are slandered and labeled as hooligans and members of firms, we hear nothing from you or your staff to attempt to put the record straight.

    I think that before these distortions and half truths become even more believed by the general public it is your group’s responsibility to address these press issues in more of a direct manner. As an employee of a company that owes much of its success to the work and dedication of the Supporters Groups that are so passionate about our club, I strongly feel that you owe us more support and effort to proactively set the record straight than what we have seen from your group to this point. I look forward to your reply.

    Thank you
    Tim Drodge

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    Hello! anyone out there????

    This is an invitation to address the issue with the personal attacks.
    Speak your mind.

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    I was still trying to figure out what happened to the last thread...


    Also... Champs League is on. Everyone buggered off.

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    I'm here...I'm just confused about the old thread

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    I wasn't here for the other thread so I don't know what is going on.

    Who is Tim and why is Paul posting his letter? I am so confused...LOL!
    Last edited by Roogsy; 04-08-2009 at 03:10 PM.

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    Tim is BGNEWF. Not sure about the rest, there was a thread with plenty of good points. I left for a meeting, came back and this was here...

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    what roogsy said

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    It's because some were picking on Michelle. I told you this would happen

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    Why isn't the club sticking up for the Supporters?
    Specifically the organized groups (RPB, NEE, U-S).

    We are a big part of your image/brand/marketing (the pic of guy on the front rail with the red smoke, the '300' series ads, etc)

    When we could have used some help, we didn't get any, despite asking for it.

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    I think everyone went to pee at the same time. you should see the lineups...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlsintoronto View Post
    I think everyone went to pee at the same time. you should see the lineups...
    i say bring'em back....

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    Troughs, only way to go.

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    Paul

    I'm repostiong my addition to the letter here. In essence, my concern is that I now have work colleagues asking me if it is safe to bring their children to TFC games. Some look at me a bit suspiciously when before they were pestering me for my tickets if ever I couldn't make a game. Others have posted similar issues on here recently. I sit in 118 and there are families and kids round all the time - so it's a non-issue in reality.

    Ultimately there comes a point when this isn't just about the hurt feelings of the supporters or our sense of injustice. It's now starting to impact on the reputation of the ground as a whole, and that means the club will suffer too, which bothers me a lot more than what some idiots in the press think of us. You guys know that a lot of what has been written is trash and dangerous in what it suggests. So for the sake of the club's image as well as that of the fans, how come nothing has been said to try and paint a fairer picture? (That's not an aggrieved demand, it's just a curious question, in case it comes across wrongly e-speak - just wondering what your guys take on the whole thing is).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcho View Post
    Paul

    I'm repostiong my addition to the letter here. In essence, my concern is that I now have work colleagues asking me if it is safe to bring their children to TFC games. Some look at me a bit suspiciously when before they were pestering me for my tickets if ever I couldn't make a game. Others have posted similar issues on here recently. I sit in 118 and there are families and kids round all the time - so it's a non-issue in reality.

    This is a very public forum. Understand that as a person who
    a) takes enormous pride in what we (Toronto FC and our Supporters...all of you) have achieved in this city and this country.
    b) makes my living at Toronto FC and rides the emotional ups and downs with all of you
    c) has an 11 and 9 year old who come to every game
    d) is potentially more angry at certain news people than you(!)

    I need to be very careful about what I say and how I go about it. Please don't take my silence on this issue as indication of anything. Be aware that I am a public figure on this board...it is no secret who I am. And anything I say here will be taken as official MLSEL word. So I can joke, and make light of the lack of urinals at BMO, but I can't join you in vocalizing what is, frankly, outrage. Your comment above (and most of the others I have read) cut to the bone BECAUSE I AGREE.

    I need to take several deep breaths...sleep on it...then sometimes comment and other times shut my mouth. This is one of those times. I need to work in the background on this one.

    Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlsintoronto View Post
    This is a very public forum. Understand that as a person who
    a) takes enormous pride in what we (Toronto FC and our Supporters...all of you) have achieved in this city and this country.
    b) makes my living at Toronto FC and rides the emotional ups and downs with all of you
    c) has an 11 and 9 year old who come to every game
    d) is potentially more angry at certain news people than you(!)

    I need to be very careful about what I say and how I go about it. Please don't take my silence on this issue as indication of anything. Be aware that I am a public figure on this board...it is no secret who I am. And anything I say here will be taken as official MLSEL word. So I can joke, and make light of the lack of urinals at BMO, but I can't join you in vocalizing what is, frankly, outrage. Your comment above (and most of the others I have read) cut to the bone BECAUSE I AGREE.

    I need to take several deep breaths...sleep on it...then sometimes comment and other times shut my mouth. This is one of those times. I need to work in the background on this one.

    Paul
    Paul,As always you've reaffirmed my faith in the management of this club. I'm glad to know you're working through this rationally and not just glazing over the issue. Last week was a long week for supporters of the team and I'm sure it wasn't easy for you guys either. Its my personal feeling that the only way to remedy this terrible issue is to hire a bunch of HOT CHEERLEADERS TO DANCE IN THE SOUTHSIDE STANDS!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterboroughtfcfan View Post
    Paul,As always you've reaffirmed my faith in the management of this club. I'm glad to know you're working through this rationally and not just glazing over the issue. Last week was a long week for supporters of the team and I'm sure it wasn't easy for you guys either. Its my personal feeling that the only way to remedy this terrible issue is to hire a bunch of HOT CHEERLEADERS TO DANCE IN THE SOUTHSIDE STANDS!!!!
    Before I get completely flamed I should point out that I'm joking. If I wanted eye candy I'd go to the Brass Rail

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlsintoronto View Post
    This is a very public forum. Understand that as a person who
    a) takes enormous pride in what we (Toronto FC and our Supporters...all of you) have achieved in this city and this country.
    b) makes my living at Toronto FC and rides the emotional ups and downs with all of you
    c) has an 11 and 9 year old who come to every game
    d) is potentially more angry at certain news people than you(!)

    I need to be very careful about what I say and how I go about it. Please don't take my silence on this issue as indication of anything. Be aware that I am a public figure on this board...it is no secret who I am. And anything I say here will be taken as official MLSEL word. So I can joke, and make light of the lack of urinals at BMO, but I can't join you in vocalizing what is, frankly, outrage. Your comment above (and most of the others I have read) cut to the bone BECAUSE I AGREE.

    I need to take several deep breaths...sleep on it...then sometimes comment and other times shut my mouth. This is one of those times. I need to work in the background on this one.

    Paul
    I guess why if you ask me YOU have no business coming on the boards and yukking it up .. Your communication should be in private with the supporters and should be on a fairly regular basis ..
    Strictly business IMO..
    You can't have your cake and eat it too ..
    Just surf the board and don't try and be "The Man " on here.. Its tacky

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnie Knows View Post
    I guess why if you ask me YOU have no business coming on the boards and yukking it up .. Your communication should be in private with the supporters and should be on a fairly regular basis ..
    Strictly business IMO..
    You can't have your cake and eat it too ..
    Just surf the board and don't try and be "The Man " on here.. Its tacky


    ignore this paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by H Bomb View Post


    ignore this paul

    Does no one agree with my sentiments

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnie Knows View Post
    I guess why if you ask me YOU have no business coming on the boards and yukking it up .. Your communication should be in private with the supporters and should be on a fairly regular basis ..
    Strictly business IMO..
    You can't have your cake and eat it too ..
    Just surf the board and don't try and be "The Man " on here.. Its tacky
    clueless, just clueless.
    We are the Angry Mob, we read the papers every day
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    Quote Originally Posted by s2cazz View Post
    and when the next columbus away game comes around really screw them by not sending a single fan to that city... instead find a way to show the game and raise money for a charity and show these journalist what good and honest people the supporters of TFC really are!
    Brilliant!!


    Quote Originally Posted by Arnie Knows View Post
    I guess why if you ask me YOU have no business coming on the boards and yukking it up .. Your communication should be in private with the supporters and should be on a fairly regular basis ..
    Strictly business IMO..
    You can't have your cake and eat it too ..
    Just surf the board and don't try and be "The Man " on here.. Its tacky
    Not so brilliant.

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    Roogsy - check your PMs...
    We are the Angry Mob, we read the papers every day
    We like who we like, we hate who we hate
    But we're also easily swayed



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    Got it...working on it. That sucks.

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    For the recond I echo Hitcho's sentiments in his first post above. I've had people from co-workers to my grandparents ask me about the hooliganism going on with TFC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaughno View Post
    For the recond I echo Hitcho's sentiments in his first post above. I've had people from co-workers to my grandparents ask me about the hooliganism going on with TFC.
    Similar instances have happened to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaughno View Post
    For the recond I echo Hitcho's sentiments in his first post above. I've had people from co-workers to my grandparents ask me about the hooliganism going on with TFC.
    Honestly, between my co workers and friends questions about Toronto FC poorly behaved fans are almost coming as often as questions about Beckham when he joined the league.

    Now many of these questions/jabs from friends are clearly tongue in cheek, but damn the word sure got out there.

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    I must echo the statements to re: work and co-workers (Hitcho / Shaughno)...

    I unfortunately have gone back to wearing my black jacket to work over my TFC jacket... First because I was getting sick of the jokes about being tasered - but then the clincher was when I was actually asked by a superior if I was one of the "trouble makers at all the games..." Worst part of that quote 'all the games'...

    I wear the team gear and colours with pride, but when it might hurt my career - I must change...

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    As have I and I know many others.

    As FluSH posted in another thread, the media may enjoy skewering the big stars and sports figures, but these people have lawyers and agents and PR managers etc., while we are mainly just ordinary people who love our team. These are some very ugly allegations and comparisons being drawn here and they are totally off-base and can cause serious problems in the personal lives of those who proudly declare themselves members of RPB.
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    Jack, instead of us writing everyone we feel like, why not head up a PR team to put out fires? Much like away drum, tailgate teams... ya know? Just a thought. We have many people here who have gigs inside media venues, no?

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    ...a dish best served cold. I get it, sounds good.

 

 

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