but only for the good...to be consistently bad doesnt help anyone or anything
but only for the good...to be consistently bad doesnt help anyone or anything
Sure it does, in this case. It takes away from the negative impact on our team's and sport's reputation. Keep the yellow journalism flowing, boys! So long as you're equal-opportunity offenders, people will catch wind of your bullshit and begin to tune you out.
Yes! =d
i few years ago (not many at all) i was at the home opener where some douchebag in the jays FO thought it would be a good idea to hand out fridge magnets (like the ones handed out at BMO AFTER the match on sat) to thousands of fans prior to the game. big mistake. thousands, and i mean thousands of jays fans whipped these fuckin things all over the place (mostly on the field) off and on for innings. thrown hard enough, these projectiles could do some damage and more than likely did. but did the media portray them as hooligans? nope. that only applies to us. maybe i'm wrong but i'd rather take a beer cup to the head rather than a fridge magnet. but WE'RE the bad guys. right...
do jays fans do this every year? seems like they do but i dunno, i dont follow them very closely.
and who came up with this paper plane thing? wtf is up with that? just another stupid tradition down at the old toilet bowl.
and where were the fun police during all this? last time i went to a jay game u cant fart without gettin told to keep quiet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sei-eEjy4g
maj. douchebag
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Of the people in attendance last night, 65% of them were there to catch foul balls or home runs and do the wave. It's little wonder that they got excited about a paper airplane competition.
When I was in high school we would get a group of 10 of us together, get really drunk and go to the blue jays home opener. We always had a blast that we started going to a lot of the two dollar tuesday games as well but as TFC came in my interest for baseball has faded.
Point of this post, a lot of people go to get drunk.
I think this is a legitimate observation and to be honest, I think its a result of the shitty performance of the teams over the past couple years. General fan apathy. People go to the games, but they dont really care. Theyre just there for a laugh, they dont care too much about the product.
For what it's worth, 680 News' story on the Jays' incident started with a reference to Columbus and quote, "well, that's soccer"
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Throughout last night's Blue Jays game a few stray paper planes fluttered from the stands onto the field and the Roger Centre's grounds crew scooped them up before players or officials could complain.
But in the Jays' half of the eighth inning, a fan tossed a baseball that nearly hit Tigers left fielder Josh Anderson. Quickly, he and his teammates trotted off the field and into their dugout, where they remained for nine minutes.
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You can point out the hypocrisy as much as you want but that won't change opinions. I'm sure that this "incident" didn't generate any press at all:
It's just accepted that fans get unruly at hockey games.
While it feels personal, ultimately we will fade into the background and replaced by the next sensational story of the day.
There was a blurb about the incident on TSN, but nothing compared to the inundation of long-winded articles (properly sourced and otherwise) we were subjected to.
given it happened in the eighth inning, i'd guess there's a chance it gets some column-style coverage tomorrow.
My friend was there last night and told me, apart form seeing people throw baseballs, garbage, food and paper airplanes at players, there were fights in the stands with drunken fans.
Yet, I see nothing in the Sun
I was at the game last night - 2 sections away from where the baseballs, coke bottles, hot dogs, paper planes were thrown.
No doubt it'll be put down to "the opening day game experience"
Double standards - and utter hypocrisy by the Toronto media
It was just on the Fan 590 and people who called and who were at the game, all talked about witnesing fights at the game, people tossing stuff at the players and poor security. BTW my comments on the Star's double standard didn't get past the moderator.
at least the Star mentioned it
The MOST important thing for TFC fans to remember is this:
1. The drinking police are all powerful. No need to even have evidence. One of my clients had an officer say he saw, at 100 feet, in the dark, a person smoking a joint. In a doorway to a bar. 30 day suspension, they were told at the hearing it would be 60 if the fought it.
2. The new liquor licence Act has a provision that if the licence holder permits violent behaviour in the vicinity of the premises, they can lose their licence. The intent is to stop bars from booting out 2 groups who are fighting and the fight carries on outside. You have to clear the first group before the 2nd. I asked at what distance and they said, oh at least a city block, if they came from there you are responsible. Horse Hockey Pucks!
I blame it on th economics. Everyone is frustrated and they want to vent. Or it's a trend. I co-teach a course called Safer Bars from the Canadian mental health assoc. Licence holders are being targeted if they have 2 incidents. More enforcement. Some huge double standards though, a bar I know of had 3 fights over 8 months and the licence was pulled. I bet there are 3 fights a week at the ACC, but they got 3 days.
The security situation at BMO field must be a nightmare. Officially you have to document in a logbook every incident, heck I have some bars where there is a hard bound log book with numbered pages and every person turned away for ID, everyone escorted out, or who causes trouble has to be logged to show due diligence.
So remember before you start something, you might end up hurting every other fan if you cause a fight, or fall down drunk. How they think this can be policed by a licence holder mystifies me. Students are know to sit in a car, bang back a 26er, walk in, get one beer and pass out on the floor. Soon you are going to have to blow to get a beer!
The crazy thing is that the economics of suspending the liquor licence at the ACC results in a HUGE loss of income for the province, in some vague way of punishing the establishment. Reminds me of the old story, "But your honour, I don't think hanging me for stealing a horse is the right sentance." The judge says, "I'm not hanging you for stealing the horse, I'm hanging you so someone else thinks twice before doing the same thing."
Mike Hogan on the Fan590 started his show today by saying that the happiest people in Toronto about the Blue Jay fights were TFC fans since it takes the spotlight away from us.
only on the mike hogan show.
I see there is no beer tonight at the Rogers Center. The bad boys must have sold 2 beers to a 19 year old who shared with his cuzzin.
The people who have to drive changes to this crazy Alcohol and Gaming Commissions powers have to be the influential who tell the Minister to stop the nonsense and bring the Act into the current century.
So cut the licence, lose 4 or 5000 at the gate, and the revenue from the taxes. Lets see, the harmonized pst would amount to ...plus the taxes on beer and hats and hot dogs. Oh, the promotion is $1 hot dogs to get you to go....
^Yup.
Its hilarious that people still attempt to fight in public places like that.
They have no idea how stupid they look. I love all the people you can hear on camera laughing their asses off but to the couple of drunken louts their stupid fight is deadly serious.
And I would really like to know when Jays games became 'the thing to do' for young, testosterone fueled, drunken imbeciles.
The Jays were my Grandma's team.
Lets face it these journalists hate soccer,but I bet you they are huge baseball fans.I just could see the papers next day after the jays home opener,It will say something like this "Kelly caught Giving Blow Jobs In Locker Room Of Toronto BLOW Jays "
I have to ask (and maybe it has already been answered - sorry, if I missed it), did they give you shit because you were a "TFC hooligan" or because you were wearing a TFC jersey to a Blue Jays game? I'm pretty sure that people wearing Blue Jays jerseys to a TFC match would be heckled too.
Reading some posts... some of you guys are just feeding into their hands with your posts in a PUBLIC forum.
Think before you post.
Surely there's a way to get numbers on arrests at these public events. I'd be curious as to compare arrest numbers between events at BMO, ACC, Rogers Centre and say Ivor Wynne.
Anyone know if these are publicly accessible? Just curious…
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