#8 is a very good point as well.Originally Posted by OgtheDim
I'd definitely add that to my list.
Yes... They will finanlly get it
No.... They will screw this up royally
hmmm... not sure? how much money will they make from this?
#8 is a very good point as well.
I'd definitely add that to my list.
I don't recall reading that anywhere that the East and West stands would be further away. Just curious where did you read that? I keep hearing TL say same sightlines would be there for soccer when I read stuff about it.
I don't think these are all as simple as they first sound. Sightlines for soccer for example. Even lines on the pitch. They can say there won't be lines until the cows come home. Can they guarantee there won't be? Can a penalty of some sort be imposed if there are? How far would they go to guarantee it? People doing a public consultation only get the point when they hear the same messages over and over so we should be saying these things. There will also likely be media there (Larson tweeted that this meeting is happening) - it makes their story much easier if they can say TFC supporters are saying A, B and C.
That is one of my big concerns. They did pass a motion just now that would have MLSE work with the city on the traffic and transportation issue. Hope something positive comes out of that.
Agreed 100%
The points need to be driven home hard, over and over.
I like your thinking about an accountability aspect.
It's a very good point that should be brought up as well.
There's no plans for this happening
Did he speak to the motion or just vote? I went through #topoli and they are all jumping up and down about crack.
He always votes against things that involve the city spending money
A CFL pitch is narrower than a soccer pitch so the west and east stands should not be affected.
http://www.citynews.ca/2014/03/19/ex...xpansion-plan/
Yeah, looking at this, the Ford vote against was him keeping to his "never vote for money to be spent" thing. He voted for the transit discussions (which is money being spent but, hey...).
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You're right. I was reading CFL field measurement based on yards not metres which threw me off their field size.
True. Do have some concerns about 100 players and personnel standing on the sidelines which will be the edges of the soccer pitch.
this isn't happening.. a CFL field is several metres narrow that the current BMO Pitch. (60m vs 68m) that means there would actually be a good 13 feet more space.
We are pleased with the current football experience.
Our concerns deal with:
- Visual evidence of pointy ball - lines or logos on the field
- Obstructions to the view (ie poles, hanging lines and wires etc)
- Damage to the pitch
- Extreme changes in price structure due to new stands - unfair for those paying 1 price point for 8 years all of a sudden being jumped a couple of price points.
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BMO is 68 metres wide a CFL field is 65 yards..
68 yards is still wider then 65 yards.
68 metres are still wider then 65 metres?
what were you reading?
I think they Should Leave BMO Field the way it is!!! No CFL FootBall, it will ruin the Pitch!!! but in the Future they Should Think about Building a New Stadium at Downsview Airbase, Near the TFC Training Grounds!!! With the New Subway going in,it will be Good for Everyone :-)
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I'll be going. I'll want the 2 following points addressed and firm answers.
1. Paint/lines - TL has said "[As for the lines], there are now ways to do lines that are a paint-based concept where the paint literally can be taken right off and youd never know it was there" name of the company/product and examples that exisit.
2. Hybrid - Is Desso the supplier and what assurances have they given that the surface will hold up to regular soccer/gridiron use.
Unfortunately I cannot make this meeting but if someone could pass the question below on that would be greatly appreciated:
"Is it possible to have the grass turf stay in place for TFC, and have the Argos store a roll a field turf available to be placed on top of the pitch for their games that then can be removed quickly enough for TFC?"
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I think he just voted.
I want to actually SEE a shared stadium situation where soccer doesn't have to cope with visible remnants of football lines.
Tim Leiweke is all but guaranteeing that it's do-able. Well, then, show us. Give us pictures, videos and comments from grounds keeping personnel as to how this task is is easily and efficiently performed. Above all, I'd like to hear how well it's working from satisfied customers currently experiencing this wonderful achievement.
Right now, we have a decent stadium set-up. It's not perfect, but it's ours and it works to present the game we love in fine fashion. Better than any soccer stadium situation we've ever had before in this city. I could live without the roof if it meant keeping BMO Field strictly for soccer. If the Leafs need 40k for an outdoor game four years hence, then there's a score of short term, affordable solutions to make that happen.
The presence of the Argos on a grass playing surface is a recipe for disaster. You might be seeing Tim Leiweke speak, but I'm hearing this guy:
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very good points.
Another concern about the pitch is, maybe they can change pitch in good condition when the season schedules are planned for the season in advance in order to space out Argo games and TFC games giving the pitch a week to get better, but can they get the pitch ready if say Argos all of a sudden have a playoff game on a Sunday and we have a schedule season game on Wednesday??? can they change it in 3 days in good condition? or what if Toronto FC had a game on Satruday and then Argos have a playoff game on THE NEXT DAY? or what if Argos have a game on Sunday in August and then all of a sudden we have a Champions League game on Wednesday? can they plan things like playoffs and Champion League games ahead of time? can they change the pitch that quick??
I agree with everyone's points totally. One thing for me to0, for all the money they are planning to spend, and the poison pill of having the Argos share it, this better be a fucking nice soccer stadium when it is done. To me Red Bull Arena is the litmus test in MLS. The stands are close to the pitch, they are on a steep incline, it is totally enclosed all the way around, the stands go all the way around with no gaps, the roof really keeps the sound in and it looks cool. Approaching it and being in it makes you feel like you are seeing a big time soccer club. That's what this reno better do. I know we won't get RBA, but it has to be damn close for this money and the shit of having the Argos in it.
I am wondering how they are going to have facilities (washrooms and concessions) in the south and north ends when the stands are going to be moving that much back and forth. If they make permanent facilities away from the moving stands then what does that mean for the road directly behind in the south and the patio area over to the Food Building in the north. I guess the type of moving seating will determine what needs to be done. Will be some undertaking to make it functional. Hope they take the opportunity to solve the washroom lineup issue. Not holding my breath though.
Asking this, for me, is pointless.. as TL will say that everything's possible, promising us the moon.
At the end of the day, he isn't an expert on the subject, and he shouldn't be acting like one, nor like they are sparing no expense to make this work; there's a tight budget, hence the old-school feel to preliminary designs.
Having said that, I can't imagine how what you've suggested WOULDN'T be detrimental for a proper footy pitch.
The concourse level of the west side is going to be built out to encircle the field.
North and South stands will fold out below that concourse.
That makes more sense than what I was picturing in my limited brain.
That's been my point. To take the chance this is totally going to mess up the stadium for soccer, at least make it a nice stadium. This is nothing more than a minimal improvement, with the main goals being brining in CFL football and hosting winter classics.
If I can point out, the Argos won't be playing at BMO field each year until halfway through TFC's season. I have concerns about laying/removing the lines on the field come CFL playoff time in November, but that's about it. As long as TFC doesn't play more than 6 days after an Argo's game, I think the grass can recover. Admittedly, having the Argos at BMO field would be greater use of the asset with more chances to make money. There is no way this does not make sense for MLSE from a business perspective, assuming they can avoid alienating both fanbases.
The Argos can't all of a sudden have a playoff game. Every year the most they can do is play one game at home on one of two Sundays known 5 months in advance. Lieweke said the football lines will not be on for a soccer matches. He and the CFL aren't concerned with soccer lines showing up at Argo games.
It should be noted that a few Argo fans have gone batty over that potential already, mostly from seeing such lines in yellow on Calgary and Hamilton's turf.
I got no sympathy.
TL has gone on record as saying TFC games will be at least 5-6 days after an Argo game whereas Argo games could be the next day after a TFC game. Very workable if the Friday Night CFL games are 8 days before a TFC home match.
Which brings up another point - I could see MLSE watching a rambunctious summertime Argo Friday night game and going.....Hmmmmmmm.
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