Yes... They will finanlly get it
No.... They will screw this up royally
hmmm... not sure? how much money will they make from this?
You mean Rogers*.Originally Posted by Beach_Red
They got everything to gain from Winter Classic (huge TV numbers means more advertising dollars) while Bell is more focused on Raptors (we're seeing it already with Raptors Open Gym program being on their main channel and they're creating Open Gym after show).
I think they're really one company that has divided the market between themselves. So, yeah, say Rogers for Leafs and Bell for Raptors if you want, it's the same thing. And when it comes to the NHL I think if the Leafs want to play every home game outdoors the league will "let" them.
The Leafs might not get to host "the" Winter Classic every year, but they could easily find a way to host outdoor games not branded as the winter classic. Call it something like the Toronto outdoor classic, or the Maple Leafs Winter Invitational. It would be the highlight of the Leafs regular season every year, so it would be huge and the marketing department would find a way to do different merch campaigns each year.
between what you and beach red have written here is how I see it:
They are in the TV business. TFC ratings are a non-entity. Leafs are great. They work in the realm of things they know and business models that are proven. TFC is high potential, but to be frank neither of te aforementioned things.
End result is we are the new rogers video of the operation.
Yup...and there are plenty of vintage jerseys to sell for each event.
one Winter Classic and one Heritage Classic will take place for sure
06-18-09 i was there
Who says it has to be a "Winter Classic"? They could simply call it "Maple Leafs week" and have an annual celebration sometime that doesn't conflict with the All Star game or existing Heritage Classic game. (maybe the Family Day weekend?)
Leafs 100th anniversary...how about 1st out-door all-star game?
MLSE's motives are obvious. How much money in real profit did TFC pull in for MLSE at it's hghest? 15 or 20 million a year? Maximum?
Say 40 000 at the Maple Leafs Invitational every year (great call)
16 000 season ticket holders
assume each of the SSHs buys 2 extra tickets for the Leafs Invitational because it's a marquee and they either bring friends at cost, use them as a corporate bonus or sell them for a ridiculous amount of money. A regular Leafs game assuming no markup on ACC seats is $373 a ticket. That'sf just under $12 million dollars. Then there are 8 000 they can essentially sell to the highest bidder (maybe exclusive resale rights to that new ticket trading company Tim Leiweke is starting?)- plus exclusive TV rights and or ad revenue (say they take turns, bell shows one, rogers shows the mext, with a 50/50 split on ad revenue), event specific merch, associated other events etc. Profit margin is MASSIVE.
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wow that new stand is massive.
I don't know how good or bad it's going to look in person (or on TV) next season, but one thing i DO know is that it will be easy for me to get a ticket to pretty much any game i will want.
The team should probably revisit their ticket pricing.
Drove by yesterday, and yah, the new stand is MASSIVE. Defintely nosebleed type air space up at the top.
I am excited for sell out games like the home opener, and next year's playoff games
you have to factor in the difference between what they do pull in and what they would have pulled in had they played in the ACC...still big numbers, just not as big as playing 1 extra game would be
True though I guess how much they make depends on whether they include the "Winter/Heritage/Whatever Classic" in the season ticket holder package or they give them special "loyalty pricing" and charge them extra for the game.
If included in the package, they'd make about triple what they would for a regular season game simply based on twice the crowd at very inflated prices and advertising. Throw in an alumni game, an AHL game or some other side show and it's still big money.
Gets even bigger if they don't include it in the season ticket package. 18,000 fans would have to buy an additional seat and I'll bet they don't discount the season ticket package to subtract the game. Every one of those 40,000 seats would be gravy.
I'm guessing another part of the money making model is going to be TFC vs <Insert big name Euro team here> mid-season friendlies. TL liked his friendlies, and we've heard repeatedly how BMO was not big enough to make these games work there.
TV and very much wireless content to drive revenue into their wireless business (I was told at the time of the purchase that driving video content over the wireless network was a big part of the play). The financials put it into perspective. Rogers revenue in 2013 was 12.7 billion. Bell's Revenue in 2013 was 18.1 billion.
The amount of money they are making of ticket sales to events is peanuts compared to what it can drive into their main business lines.
Can't wait for those threads. Always surprising and new.
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Ooo, ooo, say it again!
Hear that, powers that be? You make more IF YOU DON'T INCLUDE IT IN THE PACKAGE!!!!
Thanks, Pook! That's music to my ears!!
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Understood, but they aren't the types to have divisions running at losses. I understand "A" drives "b" but that only takes you so far.
Whether the end product is money directly from the team or ratings, TFC isn't offering much. They aren't exactly turnaround specialists either.
Gold Cup matches.....
http://www.concacaf.com/article/conc...up-stage-dates
Dallas’ Toyota Stadium – site of the kickoff for Gold Cup 2015 – and Toronto’s BMO Field will host Gold Cup games for the first time. The matches in Canada will mark the first time the Confederation’s flagship national team event has visited Canadian soil.
The historic Canada doubleheader became a reality thanks to the excellent relationship between CONCACAF and PASO (the Pan American Sports Organization), which cleared the use of the Toronto venue which is also being utilized for the Toronto 2015 Pan American games.
Just to refresh your memory - there were SIX outdoor NHL games in the 2013-14 season, two at Yankee Stadium. The Leafs-Wings tilt at Ann Arbor at New Year's was officially designated as the Winter Classic. The rest were merely massively successful money-making operations. Not that that's a bad thing, particularly in the NHL's eyes.
And there's way too much money to be made with Leafs outdoor games to say no. When you consider that they'll be playing in a limited capacity venue - 40k at BMO as opposed to 100k in Ann Arbor - it becomes easy to approve a series of annual events in Toronto because supply will come nowhere close to meeting demand. The Leafs will want to stage games with all their many rivals. Plus they'll use the games to trot out all the Hackneyed Hall O Fame's historic jockstraps and gewgaws to promote the financially struggling museum.
Given the shifting population demographics of this increasingly cosmopolitan city, the Leafs need to keep working on promoting the game. Male player registrations at the minor hockey level have long been declining. These sort of events give them a chance to hype the game and introduce new Canadians during a week of events and festivities. I think it will be a huge success.
As barfy and true the above post is - I approve most of all because I learned a new word.
Thank you for gewgaw. Very fun to say.
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Given Raptors recent performance, good luck to Maple Leafs trying to get Raptor crowd to buy into hockey. lol
Just curious, is there much of a correlation between minor sports participation and adult watching (TV or live)? I guess the idea is that kids who play grow up to be fans, which makes sense, but it seems that's not really enough - in any sport - to account for the kinds of TV ratings leagues like the NFL get. Or NASCAR.
Just got a call from my ticket rep.
Parts of the south end are getting filled in with seats. I sit in section 116 row 6 seats 18+19, right beside a railing. The rep told me the railing is going away and the space is getting filled in with seating. My physical location and seat numbers are staying the same, but now I will have people to the left of me and to the right, where as I only had people to the left of me for the last 8 years.
I'm disappointed that there aren't any plans for a helicopter pad on the roof.
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NASCAR is simple, some people really like cars. Like, a lot. Full disclosure, growing up near dirt tracks, I was an avid NASCAR fan. It didn't really translate over to adult life, even if going to the track is still a fun thing to do in the boons on a Saturday night.
NFL, well, beats me. Anybody know a good read about how the NFL came to be this monstrosity of a league.
http://www.amazon.com/Last-Headbange...nd+salary+caps
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I suggest
America's Game: The Epic Story of how Pro Football Captured a Nation by Michael MacCambridge
This might deserve a thread of it's own. The rise of the NFL is really a story of being in the right place in the right time, over and over again. Football in post war America was the sport best suited to television. A predictable time slot, a suitable game length, plenty of action. When television improved and was looking for heroes, the NFL was ready to provide - Staubach for the conservatives, Namath for the hipsters. When Black America was looking for heroes, the NFL supplied Jim Brown, Gale Sayers, OJ Simpson (I know, I know, I know but he was a big deal for eons). Also the broadcasters themselves became stars - Madden, Cosell...
Communities flocked to football in a way that the other sport, baseball, could only dream of. High school on Friday night bred local heroes. College games on Saturday built a stage for future heroes (and the NFL was getting talent developed and promoted at ZERO cost). This gathering of the tribe aspect of NFL life also meant the rise of tailgating - attending a game was an all day party...of course when your team is on the road you head to drinking establishments to follow your team. Either way - a consumption culture that the companies riding that wave wanted to keep going and reaching through tv advertising..
NFL football also had the advantage of landing in the perfect seasonal shift. Associated with fall and back to school from it's college roots, tv networks knew it as the time when folks shifted from outdoor activities to indoor television watching. That is why American networks launch their new seasons in September. NFL football was/is tv gold. The Super Bowl became the mega pot at the end of the rainbow.
Pete Rozelle, back in the sixties, was smart enough to make sure that all teams benefitted equally from television money.
When the US turned hard against labour unions (Reagan) the NFL broke the Players Union with the famous replacement players season. Always insisting that owners be individuals, not corporations, meant that even the billionaire owners became part of the show...
And I have not even started into how NFL was the perfect sport for betting.
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