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It's ok boys. I can just leave it.

Originally came back to it just to say that I am impressed the ground share was working, I was wrong about MLSE not being able to make it work and to share my...

I think I can summarize that essay.

1. Bitter at our ownership for opening the door and building a business model that involves them.

2. Jealous of media attention they get

3. Likes...

^ The common denominator is pricing and FO treatment. Not years in existence.

Months back I posted that the Argos would struggle based on their pricing model for both games and a missed...

I don't know what he said to you behind closed doors though I imagine a discussion with supporters that included grey cups wouldn't have gone well. Good presenters know their audience.

But we...

^ I don't think so.

Not with 2 more coming. There's time to make the $10m back.

As the date gets closer, I imagine that you will see an MLS Cup scenario where they offer a bundle with...

Paying money and then getting it back from
Naming rights is a bit of a political move when the net effect is that you are not out of pocket.

Happens all the time though. Argos benefited too. ...

How so?

When TFC played Montreal in the playoffs last year and drew over 500k, we can't make an assumption that the bulk of the viewers were likely from those markets?

When over 60% of that...

It's all relative isn't it? They aren't the number 1 draw but the question is can they be sustainable?

The season after the Grey Cup 4 years ago the attendance average was just shy of 22,000...

You watched that crap? Chris Zelcovich is right. Top 25 regardless of performance. Canadians love their football.

^ well I think cheering for the demise of Canadian athletic careers is a little sad but have at it if you have a grudge with some Argos fans.

As for attendance, I don't find it shocking that a...

It would be interesting indeed. Closest we have is when Toronto plays Hamilton as we can safely assume that a good percentage of viewers are from one or the other market.

Do you consider it an...

The original BMO is clearly a public funding exercise however we want to count the naming rights contributions. There would be no multiuse stadium without you and I paying for it.

Fair point...

Are you going to analyze ratings too? That would give the full picture no?

^ Toronto team with a losing record after years of front office abandonment struggling at the gate? Hardly a headline there.

But I am sure there will be a count posted that will be...

I don't know if you are joking or just don't understand the way MLS works.

By "bailing out TFC" if they were in trouble do you mean having someone:

- paying all player salaries centrally...

Feels like if Trump were campaigning for the death of the CFL in Toronto, this is what he would say.

Soccer eroding CFL support?

Fans of football can be swayed to soccer? Straight line...

^ Yes. Moving them to a football stadium when they could simply have let the Jays kick them out with no place to go clearly points to him wanting to purposely give up grey cups and run the Argos...

For sure. Though I would wager that both don't necessarily want mid week games from a gate perspective though I suspect that's where CCL/Concacaf will have to go.

Both would likely push for...

Oh, absolutely sure that it wasn't aimed at me.

I just took advantage of the opportunity to see that he was posting something, probably looking in at the responses and may want to actually weigh...

^ still not going to say what's not working eh?

Not sure which will come sooner, you identifying specific things that aren't working or Trump releasing his taxes. My money's on you but I am...

^ you don't think that a sports team would have a proposal for a new stadium that included a ton of public money? Of course it probably did. like TFC or the Jays. It was probably 100%.

You...

Or make it for them...

yep. Realize that. In a thread specifically talking about a ground share.

I misread your point I guess about the "Argos having their publicly funded stadium" already and your belief that the...

Ok. Official city documents cite the following as a backgrounder to BMO being built:

...At its meeting of March 7, 2003, the Board received a presentation about a proposal by the Toronto...

Better yet would be a banner, it would be seen by millions.