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    Sounds like they've gone to the UP Express school...

    Sounds like they've gone to the UP Express school of pricing.

    There must be some back door discounts on this thing. Even for MLSE and Bell it's a stretch to be this dense.
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    Disagree on basketball. If you didn't play from...

    Disagree on basketball. If you didn't play from an early age your utility is limited. There is still the occasional spot out there for athletic freaks without a lot of skill but their roles are...
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    I can't see shovelling all the grey cup profits...

    I can't see shovelling all the grey cup profits to one team as a sustainable strategy. That money needs to be spread around the league.

    Maybe in the short term is helps fund operating losses but...
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    In fairness, I think the more money they bring in...

    In fairness, I think the more money they bring in the more can be put into keeping the field in good shape. The worst outcome would be they muck it up regardless and there's no resources to fix it.
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    Flipped by it half way through the 3rd quarter -...

    Flipped by it half way through the 3rd quarter - didn't look much better. Even the announcer alluded to attendance problems.
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    Old things go away al the time. They're already...

    Old things go away al the time. They're already putting lipstick on the pig in the media now - I'm sure they'll have some spin if they decided a move to the burbs is the right idea.

    This is the...
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    Those events barely scratch the surface of those...

    Those events barely scratch the surface of those places. That's the point. So you move Argos to the 905 what's the difference?
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    The Toronto team is not about content, they...

    The Toronto team is not about content, they already have plenty of it. It's about the perception that without a beachhead in this market you lack relevance - which may or may not be true.


    Does...
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    But how necessary is it to prop up a team in...

    But how necessary is it to prop up a team in Toronto to generate TV ratings from other areas of the country? Keep in mind this is an old, stodgy company that typically buys existing assets that...
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    On the contrary, I think you'd find plenty of...

    On the contrary, I think you'd find plenty of interest. These areas surrounding the GTA are looking for ways to break the beadroom community rap and provide entertainment for residents.

    The issue...
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    Wouldn't fault anyone for doing that. I'm always...

    Wouldn't fault anyone for doing that. I'm always put the TFC / ex game on my list since it's a nice 2-for-1
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    Meh, personally I think there's probably room for...

    Meh, personally I think there's probably room for both teams. As long as it doesn't hurt the viewing experience for TFC they can do what they want.

    But come on, people want to revel a little bit...
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    Fair point. I guess if you make it hopeless...

    Fair point. I guess if you make it hopeless enough it's a reclamation project. I just think angling in that direction is a cheap ploy towards a youthful demographic with disposable income.

    It's...
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    Selling CFL to hipsters will work about as well...

    Selling CFL to hipsters will work about as well as distributing Wal-Mart coupons in Yorkville. The product doesn't match the audience.

    Is anyone daft enough to believe a bunch of urban...
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    These are three of the most hilarious excuses...

    These are three of the most hilarious excuses I've ever heard.

    1) our aging fan base is occupied.
    2) the roads are clogged (welcome to Toronto, pretty much every day of the summer).
    3) the...
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    Oh my god. You'd never guess this based on...

    Oh my god. You'd never guess this based on watching on TV. They haven't dared show that wide shot. They're trying to show angles that make it look full.

    I borderline think they are pumping in...
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    ^ I don't know about that. They have more than...

    ^ I don't know about that. They have more than sufficient pre-game coverage that hits all sorts of angles. Maybe the Argos don't market their players but I can tell you first hand other teams in the...
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    This "solution" @ bmo field for the CFL in...

    This "solution" @ bmo field for the CFL in Toronto is very square peg round hole. It's largely a blue collar / suburban-to-rural offering. The stadium location doesn't serve their demographic.
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    I think VWFC has proven that there is a case for...

    I think VWFC has proven that there is a case for a modest TV audience for MLS games. That said their viewership is supported by: 1) consistent time slots 2) a more respectable product on the field...
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    Lol. My favourite part of that whole thread is...

    Lol. My favourite part of that whole thread is our old friend Mulder taking the piss about the Argos. Here's the kicker: his Twitter profile describes him as a redblacks fan who also cheers for the...
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    He's looking at it the right way. Corporations...

    He's looking at it the right way.

    Corporations do goofy stuff all the time for tax purposes, for accounting purposes, or in this case to restrict bargaining rights. These things are not...
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    Couldn't agree more. Just like I keep telling...

    Couldn't agree more.

    Just like I keep telling soccer people we are light years away from supporting MLS franchises in any market that doesn't currently have a team - people from western Canada...
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    I've lived in three CFL cities - Ottawa, Toronto,...

    I've lived in three CFL cities - Ottawa, Toronto, and now Calgary. The difference in the presence of the team in those three spots could not be more different.

    Calgary is stable. Ottawa had a...
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    The leafs. Seriously this stadium was mainly...

    The leafs. Seriously this stadium was mainly constructed for winter classics - the Argos are just a convenient excuse (and a means to avoid the construction of additional venues around the GTA).
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    At a certain point I just tune these things out. ...

    At a certain point I just tune these things out. I refuse to believe such a high portion of fans consistently fail to account for traffic or are incapable of showing up for the game. When these...
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