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    putting it better than I did

    putting it better than I did
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    factually, you are completely wrong that the...

    factually, you are completely wrong that the "Argos clause" had anything to do with the original stadium being built. They dropped out and the city came in with the Argos $ 10 million. I don't have...
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    Pookie, that statement is ridiculous. " There is...

    Pookie, that statement is ridiculous. " There is no evidence in a dry summer to support the fact that in normal wet weather something different will happen". Come on.
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    Blundell and and team were supportive of TFC as a...

    Blundell and and team were supportive of TFC as a fan experience from the beginning.
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    I have been on the pitch to coach when it was...

    I have been on the pitch to coach when it was turf, and on it as grass.

    the pitch now is very good, I agree. But to suggest that rainfall is unlikely is completely contrary to facts and history. ...
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    oh come on Pookie, don't be so damn self...

    oh come on Pookie, don't be so damn self righteous. No one, not even you, can declare the project to be viable in the middle of a dry summer. The issue is rain. and snow, and what wet weather will...
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    CFL is very popular in Canada and all the other...

    CFL is very popular in Canada and all the other fans both hate and laugh at the Argos. In and around Toronto, the CFL is no longer popular. So TSN makes money keeping the Argos alive and will even...
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    MLSE does not own the Argos, Larry T and TSN do. ...

    MLSE does not own the Argos, Larry T and TSN do. Unless they contracted MLSE to run the Argos, the back room people are NOT the same.
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    You have that right and it's a public facility...

    You have that right and it's a public facility for that reason. TFC is the main tenant and operates the field and returns a profit to the City/ Ex Place.

    given its a public facility, even though...
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    worth repeating.

    worth repeating.
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    Not going to debate this because of how much you...

    Not going to debate this because of how much you contribute on these boards but there are loads of people, philosophers etc etc who disagree with your point, many of whom are not stupid.
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    This isn't quite accurate. The stadium itself...

    This isn't quite accurate. The stadium itself has been making $1-2 million a year - the City reports a profit in the range of 750,000 - 1,000,000 each year, and it gets half. Assuming the original...
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    I don't know why we keep going around and around...

    I don't know why we keep going around and around on the history. BMO was funded to be the National Soccer Stadium. Although it's true to say that the city said it should be convertible for football...
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    Bingo. and it isn't like we weren't warned. ...

    Bingo.

    and it isn't like we weren't warned. We built a multi purpose stadium for the Argos before. How did that turn out?
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    if you are referring to Arsenal, which NFL team...

    if you are referring to Arsenal, which NFL team plays its regular season games at The Emirates?
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    totally agree. The TFC people don't want it...

    totally agree. The TFC people don't want it because they know it damages play, atmosphere, and most of all, recruiting. But Bell, City, etc do.
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    This is the problem for us. High quality players...

    This is the problem for us. High quality players will be harder to recruit, and rumour is the soccer people at TFC are very concerned and opposed to ground sharing.
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    Lots of thoughtful stuff on here, but it comes...

    Lots of thoughtful stuff on here, but it comes down to a simple thing for me: this stadium was purpose built for soccer because they were not any others in Canada. That's why it's the National...
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    Yes. And the same would go for someone who did...

    Yes. And the same would go for someone who did not recognize that Rogers is a publicly created monopoly. You and I cannot open a cable company, they are it. It should have been a rule that they...
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    And I am not sure why you cannot grasp the...

    And I am not sure why you cannot grasp the obvious fact that they CAN move the stands with natural grass, they just don't want to. They don't have to remove the motors that rotate the stands for...
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    OK, undestanpd the point but not sure why we have...

    OK, undestanpd the point but not sure why we have to concede it. "Some marginal parts of the baseball field may suffer from a few hours of no sun due to the moving of stands for football"

    Do not...
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    SkyDome was purpose built for both the Argos and...

    SkyDome was purpose built for both the Argos and the Blue Jays, at the Argos request, and with huge public subsidy. It isn't the field fit there that is the issue.
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    Yes, this proves my point exactly. The Argos...

    Yes, this proves my point exactly. The Argos were part of a group that wanted to build a stadium for the 2007 U20 World Cup and be the home of the National Soccer Stadium(CSA) and the prospective...
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    Oops, here it is:...

    Oops, here it is: http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/2005/agendas/council/cc051026/pof9rpt/cl036.pdf
    As you can see if you open it, it's soccer, soccer, soccer.
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    Here is the council report that shows it is all...

    Here is the council report that shows it is all soccer. Before the amendment, apparently: http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/88D528BB-EAE0-4D96-9C7F-70691CAAB757
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