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Well, they are kind of watching their grandfather die.

Yes, thanks for that, a good read.

The Ti-Cat insights are interesting. I remember seeing a picture from the 1982 Grey Cup parade in Hamilton of a few guys at the end carrying a banner that read,...

Yes, the CFL and MLS have a lot in common. Likely if it hadn't been for the support of TSN the CFL would have folded by now. Will MLS owners be satisfied with just gate receipts forever?

Yes, and to make it worse, Bell would like to shut down TSN and just carry US sports networks. Not just sports, they don't want to have any TV production in Canada, as you say, it just isn't...

What about the NFL?

Well, sure. The Canadian TV contract is small compared to the USA, but Bell still pay quite a bit for Canadian rights. Which is another reason why they don't really need a team in Toronto, the TV...

Goodwill counts for nothing. The NFL will always go to the highest bidder and that won't be in Toronto in my lifetime anyway. The NFL in Toronto is not an issue when it comes to keeping lines off the...

^ Exactly right. And then there's the issue of TV ratings (or streaming, or whatever) and will there ever be any for MLS games outside of the three cities with teams? That leaves out a lot of...

What he paid sets the market price. And if e Bills were too expensive there will never be a cheaper way into the NFL.

We're with the Argos for at least ten years. The one promise I hope MLSE...

Why didn't he buy the Bills when they were for sale? Will there ever be a cheaper way to get a team in Toronto?

Oh, I'm well-aware of the importance of billionaire beneficiaries in today's world. It's just a little ironic that the same guys we're putting our faith in to make MLS a great league are the ones...

Yes, that's true about the ownership. Of course, what that also means is that if their American soccer teams don't make enough money they can drop them and not really notice.

Personally I would...

Looking forward to the wackiness ;).

I guess what I was noticing in this thread was the similarity between the CFL in Canada and MLS in the US and I'm hoping that the same things that have sunk...

I don't understand, is there some push for US college football to played in Canad? Or are you talking about on tv? One thing that gets overlooked when talking about the popularity of the Als in...

I appreciate this, thanks. I'm not sure it's enough to make MLS all that different from the CFL, but I hope you're right.

The media did factor is interesting, but I think I disagree with you....

I think you're probably right about the CFL. I'm just not convinced that the future of MLS is much different. It will be a tier two league for a long time. Soccer as a participation sport is growing,...

It's possible with enough marketing now that the NFL in Toronto is dead (and it is completely dead) that the Argos can sell enough tickets to make them worth keeping around. The CFL is really a TV...

Are you worried that when it comes to watching on TV Toronto (and Canadian) viewers will also insist on the best tier available? The more I have followed this discussion in this thread the more...

The Toronto team will likely be stable. Just like the Blizzard was in NASL. How many teams will MLS need to be as stable as Toronto for the whole league to be stable? Is the league where it expected...

Luckily it doesn't matter what the team is worth, because it's really only of value to MLSE. That TV contract is the most important thing and they are both the buyer and the seller, no other owner...

Why do you think the NFL ratings are going up? Is that also because of new Canadians? Is the NFL a threat to CFL teams because fans will watch those games on TV and stop going to CFL games and...

Yesterday on a Facebook Montreal page someone posted a picture of Johnny Rogers. One of the most obvious signs of the fall of Montreal is how popular the CFL is there.

Sweet. I've been getting into mid-century modern lately (got a nice Eames knockoff in Orangeville a while ago) and while the Córdoba pushes a little into the 70s it's still a great image.

I think CFL fans see it as its own entity, not connected to Americsn football, more like Australian rules or those rugby fanatics you run into sometimes.

Althouugh now I'm seeing Tang as a...

It's probably not just Toronto. I just looked it up and the Marlies average 5,500 a game, pretty much exactly in the middle of AHL teams. Even minor league baseball only ranges from 3000 to 9000. The...