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So since you insist on using dollars to evaluate players, that must mean that Zavaleta at $296k is one of the best non-DP defenders in the league. I'm so glad we have him!

Also, Westberg is...

You said it. Give DeBoer TFC circa 2012 and I bet he would go 0-9. :facepalm: See how Atlanta does in the future with DeBoer constructing the squad.

I like Bradley Sr., but if anyone wants to nit...

We don't have a bad roster, it's above average, it's not top 2-3 though.

When we finally add a Giovinco replacement, we'll have as good an offense as any. Our defense is still suspect until it is...

^ I don't really believe your last comment. If TFC had, say, against all odds won a second MLS Cup, you would still be one of the three people on this board who would want Vanney out. You'd credit...

Payroll is irrelevant. I realize this is the metric used on Twitter for the narrative that "we only won because we spent the most" narrative but just because you were overpaying who is now really a...

Salary is not an indication of quality of team. Michael and Jozy are vastly overpaid. Other teams have better players for less money.

Our team isn't bad, it's even above average but only Pozuelo...

We're all homers (me included) so we tend to favour our guys. More objective ratings say otherwise.
Bradley was top 5 in 2016-2017, not now. Auro top 5? There are a number better than him. Omar...

Only one player on the entire roster for TFC is "top 5" for his position, and that's Pozuelo.

As far as depth goes, no TFC players were chosen in the expansion draft.

Jozy was injured all of...

It still doesn't explain how our players played better after the change in formation. They were the same "big game" players both before AND after the change.

You have a point that 7 vs 5 players...

^I agree with all of your post, especially the good point about conceding late, except for this one point, which seems overstated:



The players in any team do play a big role, bigger than any...

Completely untrue.

Leroy DeLeon (Nick's father) retired in 1983, a full 12 years before Greg Vanney even started his pro career as a player. He never played for any professional team that Vanney...

It has been argued that TFC's win in 2017 was just due to having Giovinco and co. The fact that TFC has made it to the 2019 MLS Cup while missing two key players has to be credited (at least in a...

Peter Galindo of Sportsnet gives good diagrams explaining how these shifts hurt Atlanta's offense and gave opportunities to TFC.
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Bobby Warsaw credits Vanney's tactics for the win against NYCFC, as well as the team's attitude.
Second half of this article.
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Last year was a blip. The amount of injuries the team sustained was unreal, almost unprecedented. It had little to do with coaching, although coaches always get the blame. Maybe throwing all that...

Agreed. It worked, so no complaints.

For sure. :drum:

The #vanneyout discussion seems to be strangely quiet recently.

Unbeaten in 10
Home playoff game (with help)
The Athletic considers TFC a contender and gives a lot of the credit to Vanney.
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^One thing is that the club is going to want to keep its same style of play. So instead of the Pep student, why not the real thing? Surely he's tired of English cuisine.

More realistically we...

Duane Rollins suggesting from an unnamed source in MLSE that Vanney "may" get moved to another role at TFC.

https://mobile.twitter.com/24thminute/status/1177331131924078597

Maybe Technical...

So... should Curtis let Bradley go at season's end and look for a box-to-box upgrade? There's a real argument for that, if you can get the right player.

The failure to "dwarf" the league is directly attributable to not replacing our best player BEFORE the season started. It has nothing to do with our coach, who showed he could outcoach a much better...

You haven't been following media commentary on "best MLS players." Bradley and Altidore aren't even top five for their positions.

The spending is on three players, none of who are the best anymore in their position league - wise. Vanney deserves a tonne of credit.

Agreed. Plus IMO there's more to it even than that.

I've debated for days whether to share this story, but I think it might help shed some light.

When I used to coach youth, one year I had a...