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As Vanney's departure no longer appears to be a foregone conclusion, let's continue to evaluate him in a new...

It actually was quite interesting how the shape morphed when defensive duty was called for. There really was whole team defending going on, something I don't recall occurring too often in the past.

Exactly.

Classic textbook counter-attacking, well executed by Vanney. Whatever weaknesses were not due to strategy but due to TFC being a cap-limited MLS side with inherent flaws. Suppoerters...

When you are in disagreement with Molinaro, KJ, and Larson, giving strong opinions without too much evidence will open you up to charges of being a "hater." That's not an attack on your character,...

... and KJ praises Vanney's astute tactics:

http://www.tsn.ca/tactical-look-at-how-tfc-stunned-the-red-bulls-1.449141

Molinaro's view:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/tfc-toronto-fc-greg-vanney-mls-major-league-soccer-new-york-red-bulls/

Two truisms apply here:

1. Football is a game of opinions.
2. Haters will be haters

Personally I'm willing to give Vanney the win against NYRB. That's in line with pretty much every soccer...

I think it will not be until a few games into the season that we'll really know. At least some gelling is required.

Looks like a great off-season, so far.

Again, I believe that Vanney will be given the chance this season. He has the tools that he needs. If he doesn't do well Kreis may end up being our next...

Every coach has their favourites. You will always have good players who get neglected and the odd questionable choice in the starting XI, happens with every coach no matter what the pedigree.

I...

Not bad at all at the youth level, but it's still true he never coached adults or at a club. He might turn out good, but hasn't most of our coaches been a work in progress? Replacing one less...

Played 17 games with Philly back in 2011. That will give him some knowledge of the league so he won't be completely lost like a lot of foreign coaches are.

Colour me completely unimpressed. My...

It could even be that there is an "arrangement" with Kreis to take over should Vanney fall on his face.

Have to say I agree with you there. However, the 8 game bar isn't that high, but there will be other bars later on.

We also haven't tried stability, which most winning MLS sides have.

If we show that we can give a new coach 2-3 years we have much more chance of attracting an established coach, should Vanney not...

Well said and properly apportions the blame and the positives. What we have was a roster with serious two holes (one due to an unforeseen injury) that any coach would have struggled with, a coach...

I call Bullshit on this. Part of what makes Giovinco so effective is how Vanney plays him and gets service to him. You can (partly) fault Vanney for our poor defense, but it is simply not true that...

Not surprised Mazzari not coming. It didn't pass the "sniff test," sounded like something football gossip columnist s would make up.

I would have supported Kreis, similar enough style that we...

I don't believe this rumour.

So NYCFC appoints Patrick Vieira as head coach to replace Kreis. Same experience as Vanney, just with a more famous club who happens to half-own the team. So if the attraction of coming to New York...

^ this.
Kreis had the worst defence in the league at NYCFC. So he's the one to solve our defensive ills? The problem with NYCFC was an unbalanced squad, TFC has the same problem.

When LA was...

Overall I agree with you that probably both Manning and Kreis know it's not the right time. However, TFC wouldn't lose a full $50 million on disposing of their high-priced assets. They'd get...

Actually, what the RSL fans said was much worse than what you will see about Vanney. They thought Kreis was a total idiot, dealing away their best players, seemingly clueless about tactics. He was...

You ARE in a Vanney hate thread.

BTW, I do believe in stability, and if Kreis did turn TFC down it would be best to give Vanney another year as he is genuinely showing that he is learning.

It's "I can easily replace you if I want."