That all has the ring of truth. Soteldo; Săo Paulo taking understandable positions
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That's actually a great way to look at it. Pouelo makes $4.7 million per year on a 4 year deal (I think). He did come on a $10 million fee. So if you incorporate that and spread it out over the contract, that's $7.2 million per year, total cost, about the same as Giovinco made.
Insigne's contract amount has been all over the place, but let's say it's $13 million a year. If you pretend he came on a $12 million transfer fee, then it works out to $10 million a year with the extra being the transfer fee. That even happens in Europe, players get a bit of a higher salary if they come on a free, because teams didn't need to splash out 20/50/100M euros on a fee.
You might be right. But we have Peruzza/ Akinola/ Altidore right now. Is Lucas really an upgrade?
Personally I am happy to see any CMNT players on TFC, and as someone says above, it’s hard to believe we have the money to spend on Belotti - so Cavallini makes a certain sense. But.
I like that manning quickly did his own assessment from something like transfermarket. Otherwise he is just paying someone to do the same thing themselves.
I would love to know from the people bashing this approach to free agent availability on how else it would be done “professionally”.
Please enlighten us with your all astute knowledge on the matter. Because if I hear “scouting network” that just seems like a very expensive method with the same result…
Cav is on $1.3M. So if we took him on he'd use up nearly all the GAM we received for Richie. I'd much prefer we spend big on a DP level striker and use that GAM from the transfer of Richie and from Gonzalez leaving to solidify defence.
Just be happy holy fuck….
We are still focusing on a database that all professional teams use and there are ones for every sports. But we all know better shake my head. Sometimes I don’t think we deserve nice things. Imagine we were owned by saputo or who ever owns the whitecaps or any other cheap team.
Don’t take what i said out of context, it is the difference on style and polish. Barcelona can make a statement like we used Transfermarket, and no one would question.
We are going to build a 5 year plan on Insigne as our center piece, that is what should be the driving point, yes. People are just reacting to the comment and wondering … was it Insigne or the type of player Insigne was or was it he was the best available Italian player coming off of contract found on Transfermarket. I genuinely think after the first meeting, it was all three. I do give Manning credit and he brought it over the line… so kudos. He is the Captain of Napoli for crying out loud!!! No one doubts the credentials and we are as happy as shit.
For Manning, we saw what happened when we bought in to an approach that we were going to be a pressing team, without the assets to support (look at Man U right now). I love that we have Insigne, I am really happy that BB was consulted (i sure hope he was) and I like that we are upgrading the team to the style of play that can be executed…. and yes we are spoiled and lucky that MLSE wants this.
What people are saying is try doing this at Sporting KC (no slag intended), its not going to happen. Truth is we have the financial backing to do this, it would have had a bigger air of authority if we said … we wanted Lorenzo and we got Lorenzo…. It has far more impact and puts fear into others that TFC has its football shit together and not just a ton of money. IMHO
I’m beyond thrilled. This is a game changer and he is the kind of player - hard working and skilled - that I love.
I said my piece about Manning’s clanger a) because I was stunned at how bush league it was to say that and b) because a subtext to all of this is his redemption from the disaster that was Curtis and Armas. I understand why others thought it was a bad time to say that and will drop it.
[QUOTE=rydermike;1950986]That's not what my post was about at all. My post wasn't about Laryea or why he left. My post was about fans and how there are always casual fans, who are ignorant to the fact that players are human and the game is a business, and bash the team when a player leaves assuming that its a video game and there are no external factors and every player can just be kept.
Yes, of course, I understand. Thank you for the clarification. It was either not proper, or I was not clear enough in my attempt, to use your post in general as a related segue for pivot. By trying- ‘I will play along’- to be that ignorant casual fan, or even fanatic for that matter, who was not not understanding and bashing the team for the Laryea situation per se but sort of or actually Laryea himself.
Yes, it seems that there has not been a lot of fans not understanding why the player left in this case. That is a good thing. However, I am not sure if the casual, or even fanatic for that matter, understands or may be misjudging IMO Layrea's unnoticed, unsung, workhorse contribution and value to the team. I think TFC did understand; due to the nature of their rejected offer. I think once they realized his position was firm, he was accommodated. TFC was gentlemanly, there was no upside to be firm; publicity wise. Maybe, similar to the ‘inaction’ in the Altidore situation, now that it is understood he was getting married and likely on honeymoon.
Not having 'a Laryea' is a problem on the right.
Personally I love that Manning dropped the “bush” league comment because it shows he is honest and straight forward. The opposite of Curtis previously. I think that comes out when he meets/talks with players like Insigne and they appreciate the realism compared to the BS and snakey style they are used to in Europe.
I hope it leads to Belotti signing next!
I am going to wait a few days to gather my thoughts. Maybe I will take it to the Manning thread, where it belongs. Or not.
I have learned something from the seemingly large number of people who don’t care about Manning's remarkable statement. They have a point. We'll see.
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Forza Insigne! but I am a bit worried for the guy… this is all out of balance, the $75M man. This is not normal pressure, it is multiples beyond what Giovinco faced, he will be a marked man on the pitch, the room will be tricky, injuries, and if he doesn’t start fast…
Insigne just pulled his hamstring/groin.
https://twitter.com/andrewvisnovsky/...148305408?s=21
Indictment of our scouting and academy set-up
Not to sound like Dr. Steven Caldwell, but Insigne was able to walk it off and attempt to continue, so might not be overly serious.
Insigne just wants to make sure he's well rested for when he joins us in July.
To make an excuse for him, this was an avoidable injury. Napoli played him the full 90 on Thursday after just coming back from missing a week due to COVID and then expected him to start again today.
If everyone is doing it, how can the process be labelled "bush league"?
Let us move on folks...
So what exactly are the monetary details (and their impact on TFC) of Laryea's transfer?
I rarely post on this site, as I don’t know much about much, but I do know (and it’s not a secret) that mlse have wanted to spend more on TFC (in many areas) for quite a while now. But have had their brakes pumped to a certain extent by mls.
And, as has been discussed here, their is an internal struggle within mls between those who want to scale up to compete on the global stage, and those who want to keep the league a niche, regional league.
As far as the money goes, mlse aren’t blinking, they have grand plans to be part of the NW(MC)O. If you ever see a photo of a long dark table lined with stern looking faces, with Larry T at the end wearing a monocle and stroking a cat, that’s not a meme, but the latest mlse bog meeting. Joking aside, egos are always in play, and there is a belief in mlse that Toronto is a world class city that deserves world class teams in world class leagues.
All this to say, I suspect we may get belotti if he’s open to coming, because mlse will pay.
(And so will others in the league like la’s; nyrb; inter…)
PS. Manning makes that transermkt comment to the euro media, or in a room full of football power brokers, nobody bats an eye.
Manning yesterday: “We have a number of irons in the fire. We think over these next few weeks there will be a number of other transactions such that leading up to opening day you’re going to have quite a different complexion of the team compared to what it was a year ago"
Anybody else see this statement, see that he never mentioned Poz at any point, and wonder if Poz is going? (Feel free to tell me I have an overactive imagination, but I would think he might say “we look forward to having Lorenzo play with the fully fit 2020 MVP”, if in fact that were happening.)
But at this stage, what do you do? You have all three DP’s that arguably could need to be bought out but only one opportunity to end a contract.
Altidore, with certainty would need to be
Solteldo, might need some assistance although maybe we get around this with TAM / GAM, in combination with a sale etc…
Poz, this one hardly seems worth it given other priorities. He could bounce back if he gets his head in the right space. On too much money just to walk away is my cut feel of it.
I think you're probably reading too much into it. He didn't mention Soteldo or Jozy either. They need to maintain some level of leverage with Soteldo and Jozy, so staying mum on the DP situation is probably the right move. Back in November Manning said they'll discuss a potential extension with Pozuelo in the spring and are sending a strength and conditioning coach to Spain to work with Poz in the off season. I think Poz posted an Instagram story from a few weeks ago about working with that coach.
https://torontosun.com/sports/pozuel...ith-toronto-fc
^Points above are valid. Don’t disagree.
I can't remember who but somebody pointed out that this is Poz's contract year. That has *slaps head* rocketed to the top of near term questions, for me anyway. Don't forget how fast the Gio situation unravelled in his contract year…
I think and hope they re-sign Poz, or should, but how has this Insigne thing played out from his POV? How much will he want? Will they just pay him whatever he wants? And does North America work for him with his kids in Europe year round now..?