Ali Curtis will tell us in two weeks….
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When I say cut I’m assuming they will pay the salary owed this season and use their one buyout allowed. His remaining 2022 salary is all they owe if he stays or goes. 2023 is an option year.
There’s rumors he’s angling to get paid for the 2023 option but that rumor is silly and I simply don’t believe it. If they had two candidates maybe but they don’t
Figured it out, I hope...
Back in the day...
Here's a couple of great friends having some fun at the expense of a good friend and national team mate.
Criscito on bed filming... Balotelli enters... C- It's hot in here... M- I'll turn on the AC...
C- No it gives me a headache, just open the window for me...
https://fb.watch/anhBag-IrS/
By the way, everyone better start brushing up on their Italian and learn the expression 'tiro a giro'.
Got that feeling will be saying and talking about it a lot.
https://youtu.be/vCn1MSnrAXs
Likely entitled to full sum in case of a buy-out, but in practical terms he would never see that money because TFC is 0% likely to take up the option, hence the negotiation. Jozy has leverage because he knows the club has the money and needs to buy him out, the club has leverage because if they call the bluff Jozy won’t get the full amount anyway.
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Eyes Andrea D'Amico was the intermediary for Toronto FC in the Insigne negotiations. He now says TFC was focused on Insigne as their main target, but they also have 5 or 6 other targets and will soon start working on more signings
our euro gm?
OK. Let me restate. I agree with that, but I was unclear.
I have no idea why Jozy at this point would accept less than his full buyout entitlement, whatever that is. I guess he might take a tiny bit less. But nobody else is going to pay him much on a new deal...
Put another way, if there was an angling angle, I suspect that would have happened already... TFC need that slot, and lost all leverage by signing Insigne. Jozy and TFC have been "locked horns" now for many months.
You raised another idea in my mind. Could they pay him MORE than the buyout to make it by mutual agreement and save the buyout for someone else?
This is why I said getting rid of Soteldo was top priority in my earlier post. They need one spot cleared for sure (assuming they don’t do two DP mid season) and if it’s Soteldo they can wait on Jozy until the day before Insigne is free. Image the leverage they’d have on Jozy when he knows he’s a dead man walking come June/July and TFC makes him go thru camp and early season games anyways. TFC could absolutely do so as they can have 4 DPs technically like LA did as long as it’s three before the contracts are live.
If Jozy balks just start fining him and stop paying. I realize it won’t come to this but imagine the leverage they gain.
im sure something is done with jozy.one way or another,he is on his honeymoon,the club may be respecting that,maybe we will hear something next week
Could be a mutual option, for example. We don’t really know but it’s most reasonable to assume that Jozy has to agree. So he has bargaining power and it’s in his interest to use it.
He would be amazing with Insigne, if he was in 2019 form. As you know, I think Jozy is a legend and vehemently disagree with those on these boards who seem to characterize his injuries as his fault. But it sure looked like 2020 and 2021 took something out of him. At the end of last season his touch near the net was brilliant, but every thing else about his game was a shell of its former self. I wonder if this might be the end and that if it is he will need to fight for every penny
Pretty sure it was OG who said earlier that TFC would wait until the last day before they needed to be roster compliant to officially buy out Jozy which makes a ton of sense. Hold out on that very, very slight chance that a team comes in for him and saves you that buy out money.
He won’t accept less than full buyout, I never said he would and in fact I said he’d get every penny for 2022 regardless. I said I didn’t believe the 2023 angle as it’s silly and would not work for him either.
There are only two ways I see where Jozy gets a penny more than his 2022 salary.
1. Maybe they’d like to buyout someone like Bono too so Jozy could play that card. TFC would need someone to “mutually agree” as they only get one buyout. Again unlikely.
2. Jozy finds a team to pay or send an asset to TFC that kicks in his next year. Again unlikely.
Regardless move Soteldo fast and any power play Jozy has instantly vanishes
jozy's situation is already resolved, they are buying out his contract.
the main thing now is to get soteldo off the books, far from simple given his wages.
Unless the rules recently changed, you get one buyout and it’s off season.edit: so it’s not the cap per se, you just don’t have a buyout at all and the player is on your books for his full wages for the year , cap hit and DP status both. At least that’s the way it has been discussed before.
It's a good question. Looking at the MLS Roster/Salary rules, it appears it would be quite disadvantageous for TFC to buyout Jozy after the beginning of the season. If I understand correctly, an offseason buyout results in the team recouping the full amount of cap space (so in Jozy's case, $612,500). However, if the buyout happens in-season, the buyout amount is charged to the cap space. Here is the language from the MLS site (https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/2021-...-regulations):
Buyout of Guaranteed Contract
A club may buyout one player (including a Designated Player) who has a Guaranteed Contract during the offseason and free up the corresponding Salary Budget space. Such a buyout is at the club's expense. A club may not free up space in the Salary Budget with a buyout of a player's contract during the season. If a club buys out a player's contract during the season, the buyout amount will be charged against the club's Salary Budget.
Not freeing up the cap space could scuttle plans to bring in another DP level player mid-season. What I don't know and can't find anywhere is whether an in-season buyout even gives us back the DP slot. An offseason buyout of a DP for sure opens up a DP slot. Not sure about an in-season buyout. With this consideration, there may actually be more urgency to resolve Jozy's situation. It may be necessary to have him off the books prior to the first match on Feb 26, if the plan is to bring in 2 DPs mid-season. And if there is no apparent movement on a Jozy buyout, could we interpret that as his still being in contention to play for TFC this season? I dunno. But if TFC for certain needs his DP slot, there doesn't seem to be any logic in waiting
100% agree on a regular player. The cap space is locked down and the buyout has to be submitted before the season starts to get the salary space.
If you look in the league rules it’s says the following (direct paste)
“If a club buys out a player's contract during the season, the buyout amount will be charged against the club's Salary Budget.”
With a DP there’s no salary space needed so that point is moot. Also based on the above quote directly from MLS website it IS possible to buy out a player mid season.
So in summary
1. Mid season buyout is possible
2. Salary budget space is moot
3. DP spot can be filled any time.
So where am I wrong?
This thread is night and day compared to the same time last year. I am so grateful that we got rid of that clown Curtis and his list of COVID excuses. Still don't understand how he got hired in the first place.
In fairness to all us, the MLS roster/salary rules are byzantine on a good day.
From the same url I referenced above, it also says -
In 2021, a Designated Player who is at least 24 years old during the League Year will carry the Maximum Salary Budget Charge ($612,500).
I interpret this as meaning there is a material ramification for our cap space depending on whether a buyout is offseason or in-seaon. But I think your third point is the most pivotal - the ability to fill a DP spot any time, even after an in-season buyout of a DP is critically important in gaming out the Jozy situation
Just to confirm I’m fine buying out Jozy today if we need to. I’m just saying we maybe don’t need to buy him out immediately if he’s going to try to extort extra money.
For the record I love Jozy but he’s gotta go. If he’s trying to hold TFC hostage I’m fine putting his balls in a fire too. That was my angle about getting rid of Soteldo immediate.
Having thought a moment it’s not my money so buy everyone out at full pop.
Agree. And also for the record, I love Jozy too. I thought peak-Jozy was one impressive footballer and a real pleasure to watch
Andrea D’Amico who help put together the deal and former agent of Givinco had an interview
https://www.calciomercato.com/news/d...ronto-vu-35727
to summarize:
1. TFC had many targets but Insinge was the top one due to his position, his quality and he also won the euro cup.
2. At no point did Andrea feel like the deal wasn’t going to get done
3. No other MLS team was interested and Toronto is an important club and they (other mls teams) can’t compete
4. Is Toronto interest in Bellotti? We wanted to close the Insinge deal first but the team has 5 or 6 targets. We will reach out now and start working on Bellotti and the others
5. What about Cristico? Let him finish the season, he’s the captain and has 1 1/2 years left on his contract
I have said it before, Jozy is an absolute legend and should be remembered as such. However, this divorce has been coming for awhile.
From what I was told due to his age Geona would be willing to let him go for free in the summer… Geona needs to get younger and shed salary so it does make sense.
Gogon, seems to me bank credit card terms and conditions are comic book reading
compared to trying to get one's head around MLS roster/salary rules.
Everyone else involved in this discussion...
thanks for raising my awareness and knowledge.
My understanding is weak on this matter.
By the way... did Buffery just offer a non-confirmation confirmation quote from Manning about Borjan in his latest article?
What's with all the Italians?
TheGoodson, I have held faith in the off season team and roster information you offered early on this thread. Even about Curtis. My position is he was welcome to stay, under BOB, with an opinion but no say; assisting. Otherwise, just that MLS did MLSE a 'corporate' convenience to circumvent any severance issue.
In regards to Criscito, as well as Destro, D'Amico may be treading careful here in his statements. My understanding is that some (good) contracts have a relegation clause... voided upon. TFC eventually may not have to even engage or negotiate with Genoa and could save in any transfer fees once this SerieA season is over.
What's with all the Italians?
Boozilla,
Didn't you get the memo? It's been found out that both Bob and Masai's real birth names are respectively Bradleoni and Ujirini. Born and raised on the boot! They grew up together playing calcio.
How exactly did Gio figure his return to TFC was going to happen …
if the agent he fired and is publicly feuding with has become the most important person at TFC?
I said it didn’t matter but when one do leaves mid season and another joins it’s still 612k because it’s not 306k more added to the start of season 612 that’s locked is just 612 k anyways. The number is static. If you have a DP it’s this number, if you want a DP you have to have 612 budgeted overall which it is. It clearly says this. Otherwise how’s it possible to join mid season like Insigne is? His budget will be 306k and it doesn’t climb to 900k should a different DP transfer out that locked in 612 it’s still just 612k. Same rule would apply for cuts
Even if I am wrong what so difficult adding 306k anyways? Buy it down to 150k and it’s just a regular day at the office. Pretty moot which is why I used that word
Again I don’t really care but just surprised I got the hard “wrong” many hours after the conversation moved on. Maybe you know much more to take such a hard stance?
Laryea passed his medical. Official announcement should be imment now
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/Will_Unwin/status/1479202394391076869
North America has 5-6 cities, including New York and Boston, as well as Toronto, Montreal, whose Italian heritage/speaking populations would put them all on the list of the top 10 largest cities in Italy.
Really, if Serie A had any vision, they'd have had a North American division, a long time ago.