Jozy is a "dark cloud" over this board more than the actual team at this point. We need a resolution and the Jozy Appreciation thread.
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Jozy is a "dark cloud" over this board more than the actual team at this point. We need a resolution and the Jozy Appreciation thread.
I think there are really 2 possible scenarios with respect to Salcedo’s DP status:
1. He is on a guaranteed salary north of $1.612 million per year
or
2. He is on exactly $1.612 million per year
I’m willing to wager it is the latter.
If he were on north of $1.612 million per year then there is nothing that can be done with xAM to alter his status and repurpose his DP slot. I can’t see that ever being the case. If the plan was to commit a DP slot for three years to a CB, MLSE would have spent a lot more money on one. But if this is the case, then you're quite right; this club has learned nothing.
If he is on $1.612 million per year, then TFC has maximum roster flexibility. First, he can be declared a DP (provided there is a slot for him as a DP). This is what’s happened, and this is great because it means he counts against the cap to only the tune of $612,500 without our having to use a dime of xAM against him. That keeps our xAM powder dry. But, if we later find another DP candidate we want, we can clear that DP slot by applying xAM against Salcedo at that time. Surely this must be the case, no? (And if we we don’t have quite enough xAM, we’ll ship out a player or two for some more and go from there.)
So by declaring Salcedo as a DP now, this is actually a bookkeeping move, albeit a really solid bookkeeping move.
Also, this is where the Yefe transfer was critically important. Without Soteldo going the other way, we would have had to pay a transfer fee on Salcedo and that fee would have been amortized over the course of his contract for the purpose of calculating his MLS roster status. In short, he would have been a DP with no recourse over the entire 3 years. (It has been speculated that the net transfer loss we’ve accumulated on Soteldo may have to be amortized against Salcedo, but I can’t find anything in the rules to substantiate this, nor refute it, so I’m going to tentatively assume this isn’t the case.)
So yes, he comes aboard as a DP, but he’s a DP for the purpose of preserving our xAM and our flexibility. And he’s a hell of a good player.
Thank you for at least theoretically entertaining the possibility; for venturing to the Dark-side towards me on this matter.
I, as a few others, have advocated aspects of this possibility and for Giovinco as well.
Strictly in a MLSE, less SPORTS/Football sense, more ENTERTAINMENT/Business sense.
While nostagia is great, one or both considerations are still a pure operations calculus for me.
They provide, at the Price Is Right, all sorts of Moneyball, stop-gap, redundancy, marketing momentum, solutions to any plan B-C-D, if-ands-buts scenarios.
If Vazquez signed with LAG for around $500K and seems to have played in 28 matches, started in 21, scored three goals and had 6 assists...
Then there is space and role for either during this transition.
Someone broke the glass and pushed the big red panic button at MLSE. IMO it wasn't Manning or even TanUji.
It was the ticketing/marketing trust. The bean counters and they crapped their facts and figures pants with the projections against TFC current performance.
The Leafs and Raps both Covid bounced back to better degrees. Maybe TFC should not have been so generous with their SSH; have taken the CFM model.
For me Insigne was not Plan A, he was a gift from God that fell in Manning's/our lap.
Since then it feels that there has been a bit of a scramble to shed/rebuild around him to which fruits won't bear or ripen until late this season and into next.
I do not know if I missed something, but for me the TFC blueprint for the next few years was clearly telegraphed by BobTheBuilder in the Grant Wahl Podcast.
With Giovinco already in camp, even to me Jozy seems less likely an also option.
I do not know about other leagues, but Jozy should have a similar Giovinco MLS option closer to his Florida home.
It was previously mentioned by a few in this thread that any Jozy inaction, one of the scenarios, was that the buy-out may have to be applied to Soteldo if he became entrenched.
Given that that trade seems to be moving forward, I expect some sort of clarity soon on Jozy's status.
This is a very good point. One would expect hot on the heels of the club formally announcing Soteldo's departure, a resolution to Jozy's status should be forthcoming. And from there, other dominoes can start to fall. But if it remains murky, then there is more than meets the eye. Intriguing
Soteldo's highlight reel, FWIW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW9WBxPLku8
Good points. I did a little digging. Gosh it's hard to find official information on MLS contract options. It does seem however, any option on Jozy is a team option, not a player option. And so it shouldn't impinge on any restructuring since it's not money Jozy is ever going to see under any scenario anyway. But then, there was an article in the Athletic last year that speculated Jozy may have a guaranteed payout if the team declined its option. If I understand correctly, this is commonplace in NBA and MLB contracts, whereby if a team declines its option the player receives $1m or $1.5m for their troubles. If Jozy has such a clause for even say $1m, then that would completely scuttle the back-of-envelope math I did, and make the whole restructuring scenario moot. And of course Jozy would be fully entitled to that payout as he signed that contract in good faith.
To divert the Jozy talk: We need the real Alejandro Pozuelo this year. So badly. If we get last year's version we will be screwed even after Insigne shows up. He will have three defenders clung to him at all times.
Gio and the allocation order....
I wonder if TFC hadn't done anything yet because they're actually trying to work the rules. Here's a scenario:
1) TFC has their eyes on someone else that would fall into the allocation process (Yedlin, miazga, , etc) but not necessarily be a DP. We agree to terms then pay the obligatory $50k or whatever it is to move up a single spot.
2) then Gio says he wants back but only to TFC. The league is a little tied because how do they say no to a former MVP that wants to return to his club. TFC then pays another minor fee...maybe another $50k.
We end up with two top picks for minimal fake money. Just a crazy thought...
I remember the "DeRo is back" nostalgia tour. I would welcome Seba back to retire here. I just don't see how the latter is going to be more effective then the former was during his last go around.
if he so badly wants to be in the club give him a shot at leading the next pro team...player-coach or player-assistant coach...
Just watched some Venezuela highlights today and I just have to add. I’m glad Soteldo gone! Never liked his style of play. Constantly dribbling himself into a corner. what’s the point of fancy foot work if there’s no production afterwards.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know why Salcedo appears to be out of the Mexican national team picture? Don’t think he’s played in the last round of qualifying.
Apparently he got in a real dust-up with one of El Tri's assistant coaches, Jorge Theiler. It happened at last summer's Gold Cup. Seemingly happened at half-time of a game and there are claims of fisticuffs. So, Tata has banned him (Theiler is meant to be his top assistant). Salcedo has since apologized for his part in it, but the Mexican press doesn't think there's a way back in for him as long as Tata is in charge.
Salcedo looks like he's got his number - 3.
Tata was 5 minutes from getting canned yesterday. Seems to me Salcedo has an excellent shot at getting back in the picture soon.
Seba is signing with TFC the issue at the moment is the allocation process. Right TFC is third, Miami is signing Yedlin so they are out I don’t know who the second team is, but they need to make a deal to sign him
https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/mls-allocation-process
according to this website the team who is 2nd in ranking would be Cincy
Don't understand if his primary Contract Agent is GSE World, YMU Group or Manifesto Sport but...
If GSE, clause would make sense given their American Football connect.
Boy O boy, the irony... Manning does Seba and in turn Jozy learns and does Manning.
I guess Manning had little choice at the time but...
Talk about getting bent over on this if that nugget is accurate.
Boxes of Cubans and cases of Aces to the Agent; Big Pimpin'.
Oh you are probably right also.
Although it seems he wasn't enough of a dick to really stick it- hold fast- to us, too much, given the trade I guess.
We will see with any follow-up details.
Been having a bit of rethink about him.
I enjoyed his dribbling and cutbacks, yet on second thought, as has been mentioned, it may have been one dimensional.
IMO, as rocktml suggests, he did end up doing that quite a bit into no mans land on the left or eventually got teamed by 2-3.
As yourself, I always thought it was a little about- skill wise- who was in the middle / striking that he had to offload to.
IMO this is where Insigne is different, not as much a 'series' of cuts, more of that style to drive into the middle of the outside box or into it.
More direct action.
While it would be expected Soteldo would gel with Gallardo and the other? because both / all were Venezuelans?
This may have been another internal red flag.
Apart from the season, these players were not experiencing the best at / of TFC; their stories... added negativity?
I still never saw Soteldo have any on pitch issues with other teammates. Coach yes; that's not uncommon.
Soteldo is obviously a good dribbler, but I still say he has no passing vision which is why he ends up in cul de sacs all time. That kind of stuff is tolerable if he can score, but he also isn’t a great goal scorer.
Whether people liked him on or off the pitch I have no inside information. But where there’s smoke there’s often fire.
Yes...
While totally unfair... but fun. While context and circumstance are always apropo.
I know everyone here can Moneyball any football situation into an argument-counterargument circle fest but...
If Vazquez signed with LAG for around $500K and seems to have played in 28 matches, started in 21, scored 3 goals and had 6 assists...
Soteldo played in 26 matches, scored 4 goals and had 10 assists.
Oh TFC twitter. It's match day.... But you can't watch lol
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1487425295850246146
Let's keep this thread on topic. There's a general TFC thread for complaining about lack of streams, and there is a Manning evaluation thread for discussion of his managerial decisions. This thread is about the ROSTER and the new coach.
Ok, took a discussion of how are signings have gotten along with their teammates to the Manning thread
I haven’t seen anyone mention this but happy to see that we’re giving Kadin Chung a trial as well. Regardless of if he can make the team or not the CPL is doing exactly what I think many had hoped for. Creating that pathway for players to get real minutes and and still have a chance to find their way into bigger leagues.
Alastair Johnston was speaking about his early preseason in Montreal and how impressed he is with Waterman - there’s definitely potential for us to unlock some good talent that just needed more time. Looking forward to seeing McNaughton and Chung if he can cut it.
Erickson Gallardo returning to Zamora, the team we signed him from. Has been playing pre-season matches with them. There was an earlier report about Inter Miami being interested
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/JesusConClase/status/1486041595925438465
Jesus Jimenez seems to be a very close deal according to some Polish journalists.
https://twitter.com/sz_janczyk/status/1487727056712572930?s=20&t=EPb7c50_AOUgzRRIHpqpzA
Yep. Looks like the journos in Poland are convinced that Jimenez is coming. Could be a sneaky good signing.