The Guardian weighs in on Armas:
https://www.theguardian.com/football...-ralf-rangnick
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The Guardian weighs in on Armas:
https://www.theguardian.com/football...-ralf-rangnick
The annual expansion draft goes tonight at 7 eastern on the official MLS website. Bogert says to expect some trades after the draft concludes.
I wonder if Lawrence wants out. He left Belgium to be closer to family but that likely hasn’t happened here. They may have left him unprotected because Charlotte already has a left back back but that doesn’t stop them from taking him then trading him. The guy is a really solid, consistent defender and we don’t have many.
Having 30 teams in the league is so ridiculous, the supporters shield means nothing in unbalanced schedule, either have promotion/relegation, get rid of the supporters shield or split the league in two because its just farcical at this point.
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Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/tombogert/status/1470881849203466242
Enjoy him while it lasts kids. Let’s hope this amounts to a decent pile of allocation money.
AG beat me to it!
I feel sort of cheating in that we don’t even know what this kid is capable of yet and he’s already leaving lol
It's great that Marshall-Rutty is getting so much attention, don't get me wrong, I'm just a bit confused why that is. It's not like he's some Davies-level can't-miss prospect, or at least, he hasn't shown that yet.
Are we possibly not better off signing him to a 2 or 3 year deal and giving him a ton of minutes to showcase him, then sell him for a bigger fee? Obviously you'd need him to be okay with signing that deal, and maybe he's fully set on Europe... I dunno, feels like if he turns out to be worth this much attention, from clubs like Liverpool and such, we're missing out on millions of dollars in a transfer fee if we're selling him as soon as possible when he hasn't really accomplished anything in a professional league yet.
^ Don’t think we have a choice. We can get a sell-on fee but unlikely he’d ever resign here given the interest abroad.
Whatever it is this kid offers, coaches must really see it in training and be wowed by it. Tough to see in games as he’s not yet physically mature.
I sort of wonder if he’s really a forward or more of a midfielder.
https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/people/fabio-santini/
he has a long history of making shit up, by the looks of it.
He's on a six year deal with us (confirmed by Josh Kloke of the Athletic link below). He's completed 2 of those years, so we don't need to re-sign him, he's already signed. He was signed at age 15 with the intention of selling him at 18 or 19.
https://theathletic.com/2530082/2021...ty-toronto-fc/
What did he sign age 15 or whatever that would stand up in a court of law?
This is where I make the same comment every time this comes up:
It is immoral to “sell” an underage minor. It is often illegal. It was wrong with Phonzie, and it would be here.
If the kid wants to play for Arsenal, or whomever, best of luck to him. If the team he goes to will pay for the privilege, it should ALL go to him and his family.
We didn't lose any players
Pick Player Previous team Notes 1 McKinze Gaines Austin FC 2 Anton Walkes Atlanta United 3 Joseph Mora D.C. United 4 Tristan Blackmon Los Angeles FC pending trade to Vancouver 5 Ismael Tajouri-Shradi New York City FC
Not sure if you're getting at what we should be able to do or are legally able to. TFC can legally sign him - TFC did it and have done similar things before. I agree there's questionable morality in signing a young player (particularly to a very long term contract) and also selling/profiting off of that player when we likely weren't compensating them for the value they brought to the team.
Players signed before age 18 are signed to youth contracts which are not valid for more than three years, according to FIFA regulations. So we can't have signed him to a six year deal, unless he has options after year three making it non-binding. (regulation 18.2)
Even if he were of age, the maximum binding length of a FIFA-sanctioned deal is five years.... so we can't have signed him to six.
International Transfers are only permitted over age 18, except where parents are accompanying the teen to live and an exception has been granted by FIFA.
https://www.icsspe.org/system/files/...%20Players.pdf
Yeah six year deals are not a thing, especially at 15.
TFC is going to have a lot of work to do, loosing all these young players, shipping out deadwood, and suddenly our roster can barely field a first team.
There is more to this than the FIFA regulations. Child labour laws, for a start… I assume Phonzie got most of the Bayern fee, which is why that one didn’t go to court.
He was still under contract for a year. You can sign a deal before 18, and he had a three-year deal with the Whitecaps (2016 through 2018).
So they had to pay a transfer if they wanted him immediately. It also allowed them to negotiate terms before he was a free agent and other clubs came in with competing salary offers.
In effect, Vancouver had his rights for six more months but to beat the competition out Bayern bought him, rather than wait for the deal to expire.
Listen, I get that this happens. The law is not clearly established (although everybody on the inside knows the score) and the kids and their parents are intimidated into going along with things.
Very symmetrical with the situation in NCAA basketball or football, or junior hockey. Grownups making millions off kids via intimidation.
It's bad. I don’t know how it ends, but it has to.
TFC deserve nothing for JMR.
We get compensated under FIFA development regs every time a player we developed transfers up to age 23. Thanks to MLS signing up a few seasons ago, even if he goes on a free transfer we get paid.
So, Julian Dunn signing at 22 will net us something. Not much, but better than nothing for the four years they invested in him.
They're usually pretty small, though. But given that he's still very raw, I don't know what TFC should expect. He's been with the club for four years already and his natural talent is obvious; he has vision, technique and speed well beyond most kids his age.
But his actual team play is extremely tentative and raw. I honestly wonder how much we've improved him at all.
I think if you stuck JMR in Liverpool or Arsenal's academy, he'd be a Premiership player before age 21. But I'm not sure where, as he's still growing. Given his speed and recovery time, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was tagged as a wingback.
Anyone who has watched Jack Harrison's improvement in every aspect at Leeds -- physically, he's a specimen now, like most prem players -- would have to concede they are better at developing players there, period.
i hope we sign some one soon.because this becoming really stupid,tfc the sweat shop:facepalm:
You'll probably have to chill until January, dude. Most contracts expire at the end of December, but even those who don't and are either already completed or someone for whom we've paid a fee, they won't announce it until absolutely necessary, because every signing affects other negotiations.
BB does not strike me as a dope, so he's not going to tip his hand until it's harmless.
The NCAA situation is VERY different. Players were (are?) paid nothing and until very recently were not able to make any money through sponsorships.
All that said - I agree that sports teams have extorted huge amounts of value from young players without adequately compensating them. I'd say the MLB is the worst for this, where players toil away in the minors at sub-minimum wage, then make a minimum contract for 3 seasons before going through arbitration. At least in soccer youth players can only sign for 3 years prior to 18 and have a higher flexibility contracts.
Never really saw this thread taking a hard pivot into a debate about child labor laws.
Yeah, sort of the nature of football these days. They're pretty solid and not nebulous at all in footballing because of prior scandals. But the very fact that they've defined the terms so starkly has been seen as something of an endorsement of signing kids younger.
FIFA's rules are pretty good. No minor player is allowed to be signed without having a parent or legal guardian in the same country, they must be provided with full and comprehensive schooling up to age 18, and they are subject to random spot checking. There are big fines for not flagging a minor signee with FIFA.
Why are we supporting clubs not being compensated when a "wonder kid" leaves the club? Just what? I'm confused.
If the TFC academy brings up a player from the age of 9, and they are sold at 18, the club should get compensation. Full stop. Why should the kid be entitled to most of that fee?
It's up to the kids agent to make sure any of that fee goes to his pocket.
Where does this TFC "deserve" nothing from the sale of JMR idea come from? Please clarify. I would understand if TFC just picked the kid up and are flipping him.
Comparing global football with the American collegiate system is ridiculous. Not even the same universe.
Interesting about those FIFA rules about the 5/3 year maximums. I didn't know those. Joshua Kloke is a well-connected guy and usually is on the ball with his reporting, so when he said JMR had a six year deal, I figured it was true.
Imagine you are a teenaged Yo Yo Ma, or a Bill Gates, or Tom Cruise. You have a ton of talent. You want to take violin or programming or acting lessons, to be the best you can be.
But all the best violin or programming or acting teachers have banded together to create a system where, if you make it big, they get a serious cut. There is no way to get into the big time without the sponsorship of one of those instructors, so they have a different model. Not $200/hour or $500/hour. Millions. You have no choice, you either hire them, and give them millions, or you can’t get the lessons, or get into the system.
Then layer on the fact that minors can’t sign contracts because of labour laws. Period. The whole “FIFA regulations” thing on this is a joke. FIFA is not a country. This is unenforceable in about 50 countries, including Canada. But nobody fights because the public doesn’t understand and blindly supports the system, and because doing so would mean you are thrown out of the “club” forever.
That's it. It's not that complex.
Ok so 99% of the clubs in the world should develop players for the 1% mega clubs without being compensated. Gotcha.