if all these guys are coming in june.what will we do until then.that is like half a season
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if all these guys are coming in june.what will we do until then.that is like half a season
From what I heard TFC originally offered Insinge 7 million it was shot down and they came back and double it. So it’s 14 million usd
It’s pretty much done… no one in Europe will come close to the original figure, let alone the 14 million
all these numbers lol.all i care about is that he will only count for 650k on the cap.what a day:drinking:
Never going to happen. No way MLS teams sanction that big an escalation in salary overnight, and it's not up to TFC, it's up to the league.
He was asking for $5 million from Napoli and they offered $3.5. I would be highly surprised if a guy who was ready to sign for $5M now required $14M, a sum twice the most paid to any MLS player in history.
It just doesn't make any sense. $7M makes sense, especially if it's four years plus image rights.
Edit:
It also doesn't make sense that all these deals that are "imminent" were first reported in Italy in November if they were all legit. That assumes Manning was rushing in attempted signings BEFORE he's nailed down Bob Bradley .... a guy with extensive connections in French, Scandinavian and African football who has demonstrated he can find top players for bargains.
Just a friendly reminder to keep it a bit more civil folks. No point in name calling
I’m not hear to argue or convince anyone… I’m just letting everyone know what I hear
Manning, Bradley and the board want to build a super team. They want to be the first MLS team to win CCL.
The Insinge deal is step 1. Whether the numbers are 10, 14 or whatever. Its close to being done
With respect to the league and doubling the highest salary, I think it’s a shot across the bow to teams like Vancouver, Dallas, SJ, Montreal etc that are doing everything on the cheap
he was offered 3.5 million euros NET by napoli (plus 1.5 mill bonuses), which works out to about 7 million euros total/ year.
are you suggesting that the TFC offer is...less than napoli's?
14 million total (7 mill net) makes sense, whether you'd like to admit it or not.
it's a drop in the bucket for MLSE and it transforms the franchise in the runup to 2026 WC.
what's not being reported is in regards to his wages near the end of his contract. TFC have in the past frontloaded these contracts, would bet that the last year or two is less then the first 3/4.
he was offered 3.5 net, that's what was reported. deal with facts, not fantasy.
ensco is in no sense right about anyting, dude is in his own looney tunes world.
please try to understand this simple concept:
https://ca.indeed.com/career-advice/...lary/gross-pay
With the new tv deal coming down the pipeline… I can see the league opening up the purse strings and agreeing to smash the highest salary… increase the viewership on tv with stars to try and squeeze more money from the networks.
Also this isn’t the NASL I think like 90% of the owners are billionaires and won’t let this go tits up
I think the 3.5 net is what Napoli is offering and right now he’s on 5 million net
in Italy unlike in the uk they report salaries as net not gross
Another thing to point out is that 40 % of all the money created in the U.S was created in the last 2 years. The dollar has been devalued an enormous amount and inflation is through the roof. So 10 million today is not near the same worth that 10 million was even 2 years ago. It’s still a lot of money though especially during this recession. Really interested to know the final amount. I think anything at 10 million U.S.D over 4 years is a good deal. 12 U.S.D million over 5 years is a bit absurd to me so I’m hoping that rumour is incorrect.
Silly season INDEED!
So, on a lighter side...when does TFC's camp start?
Inflation is not through the roof. Sorry to get sidetracked but it’s simply not the case. Yes, some things are more expensive (oil, housing) but only some, and a year ago oil was at historic lows.
One thing that has not inflated is the salaries of soccer players. It’s the opposite. So many teams have financial problems (ie Barcelona, Real Madrid) that the market for soccer players has improved for teams - ite you can pay less to acquire good players now - so those clubs who do not have financial problems (TFC , Newcastle United) are in a massively advantageous position.
According to ‘La Gazzetta dello Sport‘ (GdS), in the new season, Serie A’s teams will spend slightly more than €1.1bn for player wages (gross of taxes). This translates into an 18% increase compared to 2017/18 (€955m).
We calculate that more than one-third of the increase is due to Cristiano Ronaldo alone, who will earn a net salary of €31m at Juventus (€62m gross of taxes, using the same tax rate of GdS).
Ronaldo’s salary wasalways discussed as net in Italy… and so has every other one. I have followed serie a for longer then the MLS existed… the media always reports is as net per year and not weekly or gross like the UK
It’s getting unnecessarily toxic here. We are all supporters; let’s act that way. Good night.
Again, that's an actual source. An italian website, specializing in Italian employment, making it clear that salaries there are not reported in net.
Someone can choose to believe otherwise but until I see a source, it's just more bullshit. Or a clear indication that they cannot read.
My house is up 45 % in 2 years. Housing is the #1 expense most people have. So we are seeing high numbers of inflation it’s just a fact. Currency has been devalued. “Through the roof” can be interpreted in many ways so I should just say very notice worthy dollar devaluation.
Agree we’re seeing it in some areas and not other areas but the cost of goods in many areas is much higher then 2 years ago including housing, groceries etc.
Jloome… I think the misunderstanding is what we are referring to is the way it is reported in the media not to the Italian government
But fuck it… at the end of the day I hope they sign Insinge at whatever it is… sign a 9 that can bang goals and clean up the back end and let’s go
i can’t wait…
Have we chosen a pub yet so we can talk about players before the game…. Oh when things used to be so simple. Say it ain’t so Joe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9tAchj_Pzg
https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/s...248456707?s=20
I wonder if were going to go almost full italian for this team
Obviously the offer from club to player is made in gross
But with the links provided it seems like the salaries are reported in net
With the link below (provided previously in this thread) reporting Insigne at 4.6M net for 2020-21 (lets say 7-7.5M gross), if Napoli has now made a gross offer of 3.5M gross, the player would probably feel disrespected and say dont even talk to me anymore
So again, seems in Italy that offer is in gross but then reported in net
https://www.panorama.it/news/calcio/...erie-a-squadre
I’m only trying to help but I think Italy has unique rules that gives incentives for the Team to pay the tax for the player this the reason everyone in Italy always talks “net” whether it’s clearly stated or not.
I believe reason the salaries are reported in net is because the Teams pay both the salary and tax for the player. They do this because there’s huge savings to the Teams in tax breaks. Here’s one link that mentions the Teams pay the salary and tax
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/en.as.co...58007.amp.html
Most articles discuss this as well when talking about Team wages. Here’s a couple
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.foot...layer-earn/amp
https://soccerment.com/player-salaries-italian-serie-a/
if you want to see more on why the Teams pay the tax for the players search up the Italian Beackham rule where there’s countless articles on why the Teams pay the tax for the players. I don’t understand everything so I won’t link any so I don’t grab the wrong one.
I couldn’t find Napoli roster and wages but I suspect it’s the same case. The Team pays the tax for the player, player gets a higher “net” and the Team gets the tax break so they both win.
just trying to help
Just in case you aren’t interested in the links I gave here’s the key quote taken out of the article. This quote for me means it’s not reporters making a conversion, it’s what the club actually does
“Given that players almost always receive their salaries net of tax, that is the club pays both the salary and the tax, this new regime makes it far cheaper for Italian clubs to bring in foreign players.”
Looks tfc are going to sign a couple more italians Perruzza and Ayo Akinolino....i need to go to bed.this was fun yesterday and im sure it will be fun today
Alright, it’s a new day so let’s please move on from this ridiculous net/gross discussion.
As per M. Singh’s latest, Belotti doesn’t seem likely and we are targeting another Seria A striker. Any speculation?
Wow! This thread sure got more interesting; a little banter with spice now and then between posters is exciting.
TheGoodson, ag futbol, Amir. and Webdogg... solid follow-ups and insights provided to enlighten.
jloome and leedsandTFC... I think you've both been right and both been wrong. Yes, I am having my cake and eating it too!
jloome, I think you need to take a breath and let go. Move on, you're entrenched; some might say in spirit... 'a la Molinaro'.
You've made fair and valid points, your just being too analytical and nuanced for this argument.
leedsandTFC... well... maybe another day.
Lots of international medias with comments on Insigne wages, lots of 'in context' money numbers offered, lots of easy confusion; especially between EURO, USD and CAD.
Only in Italy would they report football player contract earnings as a 'net' figure.
Now, now, easy now, be nice... maybe some other Euro countries do the same; just cannot be bothered to research.
Italy, traditionally a mess; the economics, tax regulation and financing are all at times and to degrees black holes.
Until a couple of decades ago, with the intro of the Euro and all entailed, 'lavoro nero' was a serious concern.
Pandemic if not endemic to make a current analogy. Some may argue it still is somewhat today.
Italian corporations and financial entities are in some cases no different than some of its citizens; see Parmalat or Banca Popolare di Vicenza Savings Bank.
As for SerieA league and individual team 'public' finances, like a few other European leagues and a few of their teams at times... LaLiga, Ligue1, and EPL... the numbers do not make sense to me for a host various reasons.
Of course, MLS is no exception either.
Oh boy! WTF is this now, Giovinco saying what to Insigne? Meddling? Wow and Ouch!
Yes, Mattia Destro is realistically my leading SerieA candidate since I believe the rumor of his prior visit is accurate. I think the TheGoodson shared this probability a while ago and first, maybe then mentioned more recently by a few other TFC pundits. Makes decent football sense; availability, production and potential, financially and socially wise. Genoa FC are likely to be relegated. Players with decent agents have a relegation clause in their contract; terminated and free. IMO moneyball enough; decent striker results, solid potential for this league. Obviously, not as young or prolific as Belotti, yet likely less expensive. Still not 'old', been around, lots of experience, even if some was for that unsavory Joey. Likely a good locker room fit as well as companion for Insigne. I suspect MD knows MB well enough as a colleague and probably has his recommendation. Don't get me wrong, Belotti off of Insigne or Poz would be mind-boggling; a dream come true. I cite and share the belief from someone else's previous post in this thread that Belotti, given his nature, would be comfortable and should excel in the sense of a big fish in the smaller pond of MLS.
This thread was brutal to get through this morning from yesterday morning. Sadly some things never change a someone on this board regularly gets into personal battles with people (know from experience). Wish it was obvious from their pedestal that there is a common denominator whenever these arguments arise and spam the board with mindless drivel all to keep an ego intact.
Anyway, back to the thread, Romano is easily the most connected transfer news source in the world. Almost every major transfer is confirmed or reported by him first. Just facts. He may have the numbers off because they are still negotiating, if the numbers were accurate the deal would be signed! Just common sense. Insigne 2022 here we come. Love it!
Seba sounds upset that all the money he wanted to extort from the club is gonna go to Insigne instead.
https://football-italia.net/giovinco...-toronto-move/
His comments about lamenting being the best player on the team but not making the most money were delusional.
^ Wouldn’t disagree but wow, Gio was quoted as being more than a little salty.. “When I arrived in 2015, I was promised money that was not there, but I don’t want to discuss these details”. That would have been Bez and Leiweke right or is he referring to his renewal contract.. i can’t see Gio back with those comments.
For those that dont read it, compliments the city and people but says you fall of the Italian national team radar.