So it's official.
Why is everyone pinning this on Curtis?
Who do you think either signed off on the Dwyer signing, or delegated authority of this magnitude?
(Gotta hand it to Manning, he is very good at exactly this kind of razzle dazzle)
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So it's official.
Why is everyone pinning this on Curtis?
Who do you think either signed off on the Dwyer signing, or delegated authority of this magnitude?
(Gotta hand it to Manning, he is very good at exactly this kind of razzle dazzle)
so ayo is out for another month or more.jozy a buyout,perruzza is our only striker on the roster.got to be someone else coming in before the season starts
I'll blame Curtis and Manning. I'm trying to put some credit to Manning because he's identify what a number of the issues were with the team and thus far has stepped in to correct them, rather than doubling down on mistakes.
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1480610814784688138
Who thought it would be a good idea to guarantee a large amount of money to Dwyer? Complete breakdown in team governance/decision making.
Our cap management has been absolutely atrocious since Bez left, 2 year contract with a bigger 2nd year for Dwyer is a classic example. Completely incompetent deal in an MLS salary structure and one of many examples
It’s really not a big enough decision where it should have merited Manning’s involvement. To me it looks like a once over, eye-roller “sure you want to do this? If you say so…” type conversation.
President has to be able to delegate at some level and trust the people under him. I can find plenty of other bigger things Manning should should be blasted for but this is just Curtis’s stupidity
Dwyer's salary would be coming out of the league paid salary budget. No TAM, no discretionary/DP funds. Absolutely Manning left Curtis to make those types of decisions himself.
per Beezer from the sun, Dwyer's salary would have been 300-350K in 2022.
good deal if so.
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/Beezersun/status/1480612593207283717
Dwyer was on $300k-$350k next year. So $350k-$400k in salary relief.
Could this be the worst move of the entire Curtis era? Just astonishingly bad.
WTAF is right...
When the signing was announced as a 2-year deal I thought for sure the second year would be a team option. Not only was it guaranteed but apparently we gave him a big raise! Unbelievable stuff.
The signing press release quotes Curtis saying he had interest from other clubs. But seriously, you let him walk if he wants big money. Really shows how clueless our front office was if they negotiated themselves into this corner.
Also, this pretty much confirms Jozy will be the offseason buyout.
Nobody bats 1,000 gut good god. Jozy re-signing at his salary and contract length, Omar on his wage and Dwyer apparently at $350-400k and probably others I'm forgetting are inexcusable with the salary structure of MLS. They aren't just deals that went poorly in retrospect, they were absolutely awful decisions made with the information they had available to them at the time
So TFC sold our Superdraft pick for $350K-$400k. Beezer is a solid source.
That seems quite reasonable to me. It's also quite clever to use Dallas' buyout for our crappy overpaid player. I think this is a first in MLS.
It's unbelievable that Curtis ran the roster so badly. No wonder we were bottom of the table.
:nonod: sadly it's true
I would think so. Absolutely astonishing.
My take on the whole Curtis situation is that Manning was tied up with the Argos and he left TFC in what he mistakenly thought was good hands. He totally owns picking someone like Curtis to replace Bez (yeah, Vanney was supposedly in on the choice too, but as President Manning owns this). He doesn't however own every stupid decision that Curtis made, or the many many decisions that Curtis should have done but procrastinated doing. I'm pretty pleased with what he's done since allowing Curtis to leave "for other opportunities" in minor league soccer.
He gets his money without even having to work. How is that treating him badly?
That's diabolical
He was a formerly good player, we needed some help at striker last year with Jozy going down. Maybe worth a punt. We managed to shoe-horn him in last year on cheap money but had to pay more this year in exchange. Maybe it wasn't that bad when you think about what was happening last year. Bad optics now though.
the trend of this year's offseason mainly being used to undo the work of ali curtis continues
I'm fucking flabbergasted Dwyer was due to earn 350k. 350k????? What on earth, the guy had zero leverage and zero suitors, I cannot believe Curtis gave him that deal.
350k contract for Dwyer?! The striker who hasn't recorded a shot on target since 2019?! The guy who was a free agent for months with no interest?! Curtis was bidding against himself. Curtis was truly a joke of a GM.
The one reason I was even a little bit okay with Dwyer was because he was a shit-disturber on a minimum contract. If he was used in a minimal role to piss people off, I'd be okay with him as an end-of-the-bench contract as our bad contract. At least when we signed Gallardo, he had the air of potential. Everyone (except Curtis) knew what Dwyer was before we signed him.
The one positive of a shitty season was a high draft pick. Now we don't even have that.
Well, it was a clever way to get him off our books if nothing else. Wonder how he was informed of the buyout? Did they walk him into the FC Dallas President's office:
-Dominic, I hate to tell you this but we're going to exercise our option to buy you out.
-Buy me out? But I've only been here for five minutes.
-Yes, that's what makes this so hard...
Normally our draft picks don’t amount to much but I would have been good to see what BB could have done with the pick
#firecurtis (felt good saying)
Look on the bright side, you dont do that unless you are signing someone else, multiples TAMs, a striker, goalie and a defender and then you round out the roster. If you had nothing on your radar available, you eat the 300k. I am still not sure who the buyout is Jozy or Soteldo but at least we have the flexibility. Don’t like that we miss on a youth player with potential but it looks like they want to win now and for the next 3 years.
I would love to hear Curtis's rationale for the contract in light of this trade. He's lucky he got fi-I mean-"mutually parted ways"-d
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/tor...191915590.html
A small tidbit from Neil Davidson at the end of this article, that says TFC is expected to part ways with Jozy Altidore. Not much new, but this is one of the first times a traditional print media reporter has mentioned this I think.
I think the speculation on if Jozy is staying at or going is settled now. He will be bought out.
The Dwyer contract is horrendous. You do need to look at when it was signed though rather than judge it based on everything we know now. I believe he was signed before the situation with Jozy being shunned from the team. So at that time Curtis is probably not thinking of needing to use his single buyout per year and he’s hoping soteldo will fix all of our defensive woes.
At the end of the day we’re clearing major cap space so that it can be used much more efficiently (at least that’s the hope). Getting a pick could definitely work out but I can understand and appreciate why this move makes sense. We just should never have been in this in the first place. I think the signing of Bradley here will just make sure this kind of stuff doesn’t happen again. I don’t see BB giving Dwyer guaranteed compensation of $350k. Hopefully now Manning can actually rely on the person who is doing that job as he shouldn’t have to review every single contract.
The Dwyer signing at the time was still bad because there was no need for a depth striker.
- Jozy was not yet banished
- Ayo Akinola was healthy
- Jordan Perruzza was not yet loaned to San Antonio
- Patrick Mullins was healthy
- Achara was a month and a half away from returning
We had 4 strikers, healthy and playable, available, in a system where we played one striker. He was on trial for months. If he was truly impressing on trial, he would've been signed so much earlier. Dwyer was signed when they cut Griffen Dorsey, who could've been cut at any time. If Dwyer was so impressive, they would've done that so much earlier.
Davidson's comment does make you think the Jozy deal is done; but they cannot do that without signing Ayo at a minimum as the only strikers we have on the team right now are Altidore and Peruzza. To me it means that they haven't quite sorted a goal scorer to replace Jozy's production (2017 level) so not absolute that he will be bought out - but very likely indeed. At this moment Ayo has lots of bargaining power.
There was no merit to the signing at all. Curtis gambled that he was a good striker who had lost form when in fact his main advantage, his speed, was long gone and he'd been in decline for several seasons. It looks like he backended the contract because he thought Dwyer would come good, score goals and look like a bargain.
In other words, utterly fucking clueless.
Astonishing. Astonishing not only that someone with such bad judgement could be in that job but also that he was left in it for so long.
Really, Gallardo should've been his end.
I agree! What a disaster.
We can separate two things: this deal with Dallas now was an acceptable way for TFC to handle a disastrous situation. As somebody else mentioned, probably the first time that there was effectively a trade for another teams once-a-year buyout opportunity. I wonder if MLS will try to limit that in the future, like you can't sign and buyout a player during the same transfer window.
But it also sheds light on how bad the past decisions were, that you need to buyout two contracts at once, in addition to TAM/GAM shenanigans and other business needed to dump Soteldo etc. Yes there have been some pretty good draft picks in the 2-5 positions over the last few years, and we lose that opportunity after a dreadful season where you thought "well at least we'll get a decent draft pick."
I'll maintain that TFC has had off & on problems with identifying efficient talent for many years; let's see if that changes under Bob Bradley. You can solve some things by throwing lots of cash at it, but not everything, and eventually the bill comes due in any case. This is probably more a topic for the Manning thread, and some of it extends beyond him.