I see what you did there. :wink5:
But to the question at hand, I'm not sure how he'd fit into Vanney's setup. There's also chemistry and is he that much a step up in quality compared to what we have for the price he'd cost?
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Well now....
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/KristianJack/status/1253370219772416009
LOL - went for the money - I don't blame him.
But if he comes back - he's not coming back as a player.
Would make the most sense to see him put his stamp on the academy. That is Curtis' passion - so don't be surprised if he come in at some capacity there. A director or someone who sets up the structure of the academy or something.
Vazquez is 33. No spring chicken but that's not completely over the hill...
If he came back on a Cheyrou type sweetheart deal, why not?
He'd be a Cheyrou role, but in attack. Mentor position.
He'd have to go through allocation, BTW. We'd be tossing some Garber bucks to somebody.
For the opposite view, here's Wheeler - usually I'd say he hears what TFC is thinking and uses that when discussing moves but as he's not with them right now, not 100% sold on his 100% certainty this isn't going to happen
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/GarethWheeler/status/1253385525110738946
Honestly if Vazquez is willing to be another Benoit Cheyrou and accept a small wage and sub role, I wouldn't be against him coming back.
Valid points. That said, at a Cheyrou type price and a substitute role I’ll take it.
Risk / reward would be quite favourable.
I would take Vazquez back. A sub role and load management role when Pozo needs a day off.
Not worried about international spots as we're in good position with domestics like Jozy/Bradley/Omar/Osorio/Delgado playing valuable roles. Some of our internationals are subs Gallardo/Endoh/Achara. Heck we used a spot on Bakero for two years. We have an empty slot and we can always acquire one via trade.
How much was Vazquez transferred for? MLS allocation says they must go through the process for fees over 500,000. I feel like I read he was transferred for 500,000 back then to Qatar. And now I have this crazy thought. Wasn't Bez the MLS cap guy, imagine if he realized a loophole would be to transfer him for $499,999 instead of an even 500,000.
Probably not likely given I read Wheeler say he is subject to Allocation, but just imagine
Bring him back in a heartbeat. The way he's talking sounds like he regrets choosing money over other factors so that may not be a sticky point here.
Limited minutes, cover for Pozo, mentor to young guns, future academy coach and TFC manager.
Yes please.
If they can bring him under the cap, then I'd say pull the trigger.
VV didn’t make a mistake. He made $8M the last two years instead of the $1.5M he was going to make if he stayed. He is set up for life, every last person here should be lucky enough to be offered a chance to make this mistake.
I would do it, but Pozo is going 90 minutes, and he is rarely sitting. Vazquez isn’t a sub for Pozo.
He and Pozo would be pretty interesting together in the 2017 3-5-2.
The issue with Vazquez is that he would be taking minutes from Osorio.
VV should start if he is here, otherwise don’t bother.
I'm not sure about VV personally these days; I haven't watched him since he went overseas so I don't know what shape he is in. Generally I feel TFC needs to get younger, but Victor is Victor.
I'm not surprised he liked Toronto and wants back. We have a good common acquaintance, and I knew Victor's whole family really loved Toronto when they were here. They really didn't want to leave, and I never got a clear read on the reasoning, especially less than a year after signing an improved contract with Toronto. I'm sure the pay was a big part of that; you're right, he's basically secured his retirement after two years. I also wondered: VV re-signed with TFC after their record-breaking season. They were on top of the world, going for CCL glory, and dreaming of repeating in MLS. Then the wheels came off in the 2018 season; Giovinco & Jozy were upset and trying to re-negotiate; then Bez disappeared on short notice. TFC was no longer a place to "win now." Pair that with Victor's back problems, which I believe were made worse by the cold and the varied surfaces at BMO and the rest of MLS. All of that probably made the $ from Qatar look even shinier in the winter 2018/2019, despite generally wanting to stay in Toronto.
But RE your last line: Victor's age and back issues, in our climate and some of the crappy surfaces around MLS, have me thinking a super-sub role (+ academy afterwards) might be the right role for him. They could probably do a handshake deal to pay a fairly low amount for VV's last year(s) as a player, and a better payday afterwards at the academy.
I'm pretty sure that's what they did with Cheyrou, who took a huge pay cut in his final year as a player. He then hung around with the academy only until the following August, just enough to earn back the money he missed in his last year as a player. (Vazquez would likely want to stay longer.)
This is a spec thread and normally I wouldn't discuss the reality we all have in our heads - but given VV's age, I'm going to throw this out there
The reason I don't think this gets done in 2020 is I don't think we play again in 2020 and TFC isn't willing to make such a commitment to an older player given the uncertainty.
Without understanding what happens to every MLS contract, it's impossible to know what to think. It will all have to be negotiated with the union.
Are guys getting only a percentage of their contracts? How does allocation work without results? Did the year count or didn't it? Is Delgado an FA or isn't he?
Curtis doesn't immediately rule out bringing back VV.
https://torontosun.com/sports/soccer...mpression=true
I'm just listening to the Footy Talks now. He really, really, really wants to come back. Let's do it! He even said he doesn't care about money; we could probably sign him for like 300k. Even if he doesn't play too much, having him in the changing room would be worth it alone, like Cheyrou, as others have said.
Re-signing Giovinco would probably be too hard at this point, but if we can get VV back we shouldn't even hesitate.
He is actually the best player we have ever had. Absolutely bring him back. Whatever the role.
And TFC’s latest video was the Columbus game in 2017 where he scored two; piece is full of tributes to him from Bono, Marky and Oso
Pretty wild that Alex Bono and Quentin Westberg have the same birthday (today).
I agree that Victor is the most under-appreciated player in TFC history.
But he's 33 and Poz plays the same position (when Vanney lets him) and will be (very) rested.
Poz was a direct replacement for VV, not Gio.
Oh man that line up is nice. Myonly question is are you lining up a 3-4-1-2 or was that meant to be a 4-3-1-2? I would even be tempted to drop Marky and slot in DeLeon or Piatti (depending on how he plays of course)
Either way that is a very scary line up especially considering you have pace with Achara and Laryea off the bench in the last 30
The 10 is an AM. Pozo is an AM. He has to be on the ball.
The striker/AM thing can be confusing, depending on the system. In our 3-5-2 in 2017, Gio was a hybrid, he roamed a lot.
Gio wanted to be a 10 - but he wasn't.
When you think #10 - Think Zidane. They play in front of the midfield and behind the forwards - right in the middle.
Usually operating between center and the top of the box. They will often come into the 18 as a free player, hence why they often score a lot and people confuse them for strikers.
Just to make it all more interesting
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/KristianJack/status/1255903613144178689
Marky deserves that extension. You just know that he is one of the first names on Vanney's team sheet.
This also probably means Fraser is heading out on loan or is gonna be traded away for some sweet, sweet TAM.