Loving it? Hating it?
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Recency bias aside, with or without VAR, someone is going to get screwed over. Imagine Laryea getting a red card because the ref believed there was sufficient contact to warrent a second card, but VAR reveals that it was in fact a dive.
VAR isn't without fault, because the guy behind the monitor is still human, with their biases.
You expect a rational, leveled response with this one!?
It's obvious that almost everybody will respond: "VAR is a good idea but badly implemented" (myself included).
#VARout
They told us VAR would end controversy. It doesn’t. And it won’t because much of what is reviewed is subjective, even seemingly objective things like hand ball and offside are not objective.
They told us it wouldn’t delay games. It does.
They told us it would only be used for clear and obvious errors. It isn’t; it is being used to re-referee games.
They told us it wouldn’t interfere with play; it does. For example, they have instructed linesman to not raise the flag for offsides in order to deal with the fact that VAR is inherently unfair in that it can review not called offsides but not wrongly called ones. So play continue when it should stop. Often.
None of these are implementation errors. They are endemic to VAR. For example, if you try to be more thoughtful about offsides (when is a player interfering with play is a question that could be debated endlessly, for example) you will slow the game down even more through even lengthier VAR reviews.
The biggest problem for me is that VAR is creating a situation where some parts of the game are held to a standard of perfection that the rest of the game isn’t and cannot be. The non call on the foul on Laryea followed by a VAR penalty is the perfect example of what results. Let alone celebrating a win called back by VAR - those spontaneous eruptions of joy are part of soccer and VAR repeatedly kills them.
If if they had a Hawkeye system for offsides with cameras zipping up and down the touchline somehow, I’d be all in favour. But using video review for judgment calls is a failure and the sooner the game realizes it the better.
Some of the controversial calls last week, including the non-call for TFC/DC. Most of them involved VAR, sometimes right and often wrong.
http://youtu.be/Zq7GHYOJZKw
Thanks for posting this video; I was planning to do the same. What I find astounding: Wiebe & Warshaw work for the league. But based on listening to that piece, they apparently aren't aware of the new FIFA handball interpretations. They mention factors that are no longer supposed to play a role in handball determination. I know that these "Instant Replay" shows are often hot takes that are more about grabbing attention than being accurate. But to be so wrong on a basic rule which is crucial and much-discussed at the moment, is really inexcusable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldtimer
I had hopes for VAR, but events of the last few months really make me question it. Thinking of everything already mentioned about TFC's recent games; also the non-reviewed handball in the box by the US women's soccer team.
All four points you made at the beginning are related to its implementation. Part of that implementation is the way it’s used, how, and by who.Quote:
Originally Posted by MightyDM
There are fundamental issues with having a centre ref walk over to a TV and watch film multiple times, for example. That’s an implementation issue due to technological restrictions or whatever, and it does a lot of the things you’ve stated are inherent to VAR. It isn’t inherent to VAR though, just this implementation.
The idea of VAR is good, the fact that different places use different forms in different ways and interpret it’s use differently show that it’s more in the implementation than the idea of VAR in general.
What did they say about the hand ball call on DeLeon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldtimer
Loved the idea, HATE the implementation. Would rather see the experiment end at this point.
Can’t buy the implementation idea because the pints I made above will always be true, no matter how it is implemented. But here is a suggestion: VAR official has the power to over rule the referee but only if it is so bloody obvious there is no delay to the game
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Originally Posted by MightyDM
While technically "implementation errors" the four points and how they no longer apply are actually an example of scope creep.Quote:
Originally Posted by stegosaurus
There has been no benefits analysis on the VAR as currently used to see if the four points that were promised are actually being delivered. The increase in use of VAR is inherent in its being there at all. People can't resist in saying "if we just take a little bit more, we get *this*" and soon enough the actual use bears no resemblance to what it was intended to do.
The fact that players can seemingly complain to the ref until a play is reviewed should be an obvious red flag to the league. Pretty sure VAR is NOT supposed to be ‘lobbied’ into use on the field.
If you look at the recent big VAR mistakes, issues, and stupidity, probably all of them are just on officials and their use of VAR and not the existence of VAR or the idea of VAR in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamp Berg
Plus, you can’t expect football federations, leagues, FIFA, etc. to ever implement things properly because, well... would you trust most of them to do anything?
Wow shocking. In what world is that a foul by the Seattle player. Complete 50/50 ball in which the Seattle player gets to the ball and shoots it first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldtimer
Holy cow this is just as bad as the TOR/DC one.
Spot on. Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul-collins
I feel like the 4th referee only is supposed to be looking at VAR. The game flow shouldn't be interrupted. Then if a call has to be overturned it could be overturned while the play continues.
MLS isn't using the new IFAB rules yet. That probably has something to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Auzzy
Oh that's interesting, I thought I had heard that from announcers. Maybe they're confused too. Plus I've seen some really marginal handball calls in MLS in the past few weeks; I feel like they've been influenced by the new rules already.Quote:
Originally Posted by magmadragon
Full disclosure, I may be mistaken and missed an announcement, but the league didn't want to implement them partway into a season. Supposed to be used starting next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Auzzy
That said the league has made lots of changes over the years during the season. Hell VAR was added in I believe August 2017.
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Originally Posted by magmadragon
The CPL is the first league in the world to apply the new rules. Perhaps you are remembering hearing something in that context.Quote:
Originally Posted by Auzzy
World 'The Beautiful Game' Football, FIFA and MLS, welcome to the North American/NFL way of doing things; Referee in game on-field explanation. I would support this 'update' should it be adopted just for any in-stadium crowd benefit.
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/refsix/status/1620909092788387860
No Referee/s... No VAR... Football Realpolitk...
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/the_bonnfire/status/1624845739728707584
Wow...
In short... paraphrasing... 'Mason, who was the video referee for the game, incorrectly allowed the Bees' equalizer by Ivan Toney to stand in the 1-1 draw, after apparently forgetting to draw the lines that would have found Christian Norgaard was offside in the build-up'.
... just BONKERS!
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/CBSSportsGolazo/status/1626670110227275776
https://talksport.com/football/13316...nal-brentford/
Just for the fun of and smile in it.
Travis@Odinmercer·4h
Replying to@MenInBlazers
"VAR going to need to take a look and see if that's a foul."
Andrew Millington @AndrewMilington·4h
Replying to@MenInBlazers
“A coming together…nothing in that.”
:)
Check out this tweet at https://twitter.com/MenInBlazers/status/1627486754650443776