Just wanted to add that Chapman played a significant role in the 2nd Houston goal. Chapman gave up on his runner, slowed down and started ball watching, before realizing and trying to recover too late. The Houston player ended up with way too much time on the wing, and put in a nice pass to set up the goal.
I guess Auro could have picked up the guy, but he probably thought Chapman would stay with him, and Auro probably felt he needed to help his shambolic CBs instead.
He looks good playing next to a better defender. Something we’ve seen with Zavaleta in the past as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ensco
The totality of lineup and tactical decisions last night were baffling. Why were we playing so open with a B lineup against a team that likes to hit on the counter?
LOL, orange slices for everyone! Houston also had 3 games in a week; more travel; was 1-8 away from home before the game; was missing their top scorer; and was playing in the same heat and humidity. But they played it smarter.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGoodson
There's rotating, and then there's blowing up the squad.
Don't worry, in 2 weeks * ∞ Curtis will have assembled a great squad! And it's never Vanney's fault!
Goodson's thoughts are in the extreme minority. I was going to direct you to tfc live and Toronto fc Twitter but all comments regarding last night's game have been purged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Auzzy
I have long suspected that some people on this board pretend to be fans but are really MLS empolyees designed to steer the direction of the conversation in one way or to redirect the conversation away from subjects that they do not want discussed.
Also, without naming names look at all your trusted sources on tfc on Twitter.
Not one has posted anything negative regarding the lineup selection. Hmm
Forgive my ignorance, as i’m not sure how Twitter’s search function works or can be manipulated, but I still see a boatload of negative comments.
You just have to add “Vanney” or “Zavaleta” to a #tfclive search and it all comes up.
Anyone who knows Twitter culture realizes that Twitter is not reflective of real life, so you can't argue it as an objective source. For all you know half the critical posts could be from Impact supporters. It's how Twitter is.
I don't think there are many MLSE employees on here. I personally have met people on both sides of supporting and hating Vanney. These are real people not MLSE trolls.
Now the official TFC media (eg Gareth Wheeler) is completely different and has the flavour of Soviet propaganda in the past. That should be taken with a grain of salt (or maybe a kilo of salt).
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Originally Posted by stevep
Hahahaha... Everything is a conspiracy.. Vanney must have put $100k on them to lose.
Most of you weren’t here when we were shit, I have been here since day 1 witness more disfunction then anything that’s happened in the last two years: Mo Johnston, Dero saga, Preki, Mariner etc.... those were dark days, so whatever enjoy your bitching. Sports are a distraction to real life and if you have to make shit up (I’m a corporate shill) and again maybe it’s time to find something else to watch
The fucking entitlement from you and a lot of other people on this board is a joke. It’s funny that the people you bash all get paid to do their jobs and you being the keyboard warrior Know better then all of them??? That’s why you pay to watch the games. You all sound like USMNT fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Auzzy
Again objectively this squad issues is on Bez... but the easy or lazy narrative is to blame Curtis. He’s had a whole 6-7 months a winter market and a salary cap that wasn’t in the best shape. But yeah the coach is at fault as he doesn’t have the tools. We could have Zidane, Klopp or Pep and it wouldn’t matter as we have starting 11 that can compete with any team, but the squad 14-30 is terrible.
that’s the reality of the MLS if you can’t or won’t understand this then maybe just stick to watching what ever other leagues you are watch as this league isn’t for you
Don’t take it too harshly. There are a lot of wingnut responses on here; just read everything as though it were written by “that uncle” who has since been disallowed from attending family events.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGoodson
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Originally Posted by TheGoodson
Respectfully, what a stupid comment. You don't know when people started following TFC, you just know when they joined the board.
Although, not all us joined the forum day 1, we have been going to Shoeless since very early days, been suffering throughout and can relate. What the major beef is that, TFC is a pimple on the MLSE revenue and expense lines. We saw what a winner could do for a city and a fan base. To be competitive now is the mandate and why not be a bigger spending team (they can afford it). It generates great content for the media outlets and TFC has one of the most vocal and loyal fan bases. You go to the game and you don't sit on your ass and have fun. The fans deserve more than what we got yesterday.
To put a competitive team on the field is challenging but not impossible.... from a coaching perspective, we put our two weakest defenders on with an inexperienced but getting better holding midfielder in Fraser. All three goals were shit, it looked like 2017. We dominate the play and then let a counter attack destroy us. He should have then let Bono play to be consistent and hang out to dry as well.
We had momentum ... Vanney needs to stand up and say, I tried to rest people but clearly I f--ked up in my selection and then maybe I would give him some props. This isn't 2010 when we had no depth in players, we have the bench and the people to avoid this type of a shit show now. We better come out strong next week against Cinci.
One last thing... go watch the interviews with the players. They all said they came out flat, how is that on Vanney? At the end of the day the players are the ones on the pitch, Vanney can only do so much. If those players don’t execute the game plan then they shouldn’t be on the on the pitch. Vanney made changes at half because certain players weren’t performing as expected and unfortunately there are only 3 subs and due to the first half he had to make changes offensively instead of tweaking the backend as they were down 2 at half
The smoking gun was mavinga not playing. This is how you know he threw the game in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGoodson
Of course throwing the game,not throwing the game is an unprovable thing.
The provable fact is the lineup put out on the field was not one that could have won the game.
This is not a conspiracy.
For the record, I'm not calling for Vanney's head. I just think he made a major blunder that wasn't called for under the circumstances, and at home no less. Squad rotation is a must at this time of year, but he clearly went overboard and didn't give us much of a chance last night. Hopefully, it was a lesson learned.
I still believe he is more than capable of leading a healthy TFC squad moving forward.
The only stupid thing on this board is the lack of nuance is with regard to how the mls operates and the ability to field a strong starting 11 when you have to load management the 4-5 of your top salaried players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmancan
Everyone blames Vanney and not the players. They are professional athletes that get paid and if they aren’t good enough or had a bad day why don’t they raise their hand and say my bad, i was terrible today. But no
its always on Vanney
with respect to the day 1 comment that was a reply to call me a corporate shill. But at the end of the day As I said before our starting lineup is contender worthy, the world isn’t ending we will make the playoffs. Everything needs perspective and most people here lack that
TFC already is a big spending team in this league, but the “pimple” comment is just as apt for TFC’s relevance to media. If we spent double the second place team the media numbers would still be bad, so it doesn’t really matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmancan
Other teams spend less and get better results, so that’s not even a good reason to spend a lot of money.
We honestly don’t have very great bench players either at this point either (partially because a lot of them are overpaid).
the earth is flat as well right...Quote:
Originally Posted by stevep
Illuminati flat Earth is so few years ago. Now the term to use is the matrix.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGoodson
Going through our season and looking at lineups... holy crap Zavaleta has been an absolute disaster. He's started 11 games and we've given up 2 or 3 goals in every single one except the scoreless draw vs. DC. He's actually unplayable at this point. Thankfully, assuming he signed the standard 2+1 extension after 2017, we can decline his option at the end of this year.
Ciman has basically been able to tread water with a good partner and has sunk otherwise. Obviously not worth his pay grade. Hopefully we only signed him for 1 year, though I guess he could probably be moved to France or Belgium if it comes to that.
Chapman played well. He’s just not a winger. He’s an inside player where his touch and close play are an asset and his weakness - lack of pace - is less critical.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGoodson
The teams that spend less and get better results have a better academy than we do. The reason why we trod out nephew as our depth CB is because no one down in the farm is remotely ready to take first team minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by stegosaurus
I don’t agree that it’s hindsight. We were saying uh oh from when the line up was announced. It’s not Zavs or Ciman or Fraser but the lack of OG or Moor or Bradley or Marky that was the problem. Obvious to us from when the lineup was announced. Why not obvious to the coach?
I’m aware of that, though it doesn’t explain why teams that spend less and also don’t have good academies outperform us as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by noimpactinmtl
Plus spending as much as we did also got us into other problems.
I am not the crazy uncle think of me as Morpheus.Quote:
Originally Posted by stegosaurus
watch this video is only two minutes and 40 seconds. it is an absolutely amazing scene is the movie the matrix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE7PKRjrid4
Thank you for that thought provoking video. I raise you a “How Can Mirrors Be Real If Our Eyes Aren't Real?”Quote:
Originally Posted by stevep
I think his pace is acceptable. He’s not fast but not slow either by any means.Quote:
Originally Posted by MightyDM
Missing from his game is getting stuck-in more often. If he’d battle it out with the type of tenacity we saw from Osorio when he was trying to get back into the lineup, we’d actually be getting somewhere.
He’s too indecisive and plays like he’s scared. That’s my issue with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ag futbol
If you look at iPod Shuffle you’ll see the difference between a guy who is going all out and a guy scared to make tackles or go in on a defender.
He has looked okay as a backup in the creative mid role at times in the past, but again he’s not really getting any better and he really isn’t a solution on the wing.
I’m not particularly sure what Chapman’s future is on this team either. It’s a numbers game in midfield right now and opportunities to play are slim.Quote:
Originally Posted by stegosaurus
That said, nobody in the shuttler-type role is playing particularly well. It’s there to be taken for someone that wants in. Delgado, Osorio, DeLeon (who we occasionally use there), have all been pretty meddling.
This is where I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManUtd4ever
No way do I think that the people who are upset are “wrong”. We spend more than anyone and are a 500 team. There is plenty to criticize. My personal belief is that Vanney’s Man City infatuation is clouding his judgment- nobody in MLS can be that team.
Vanney btw did the exact same thing he did last night in 2016 and 2017, and it worked.
That’s fair. Another post pointed out how some of the aggression has been coached out of players like Chapman. Not sure of the accuracy of that but it’s fair to say players trying to break in can be hesitant.Quote:
Originally Posted by ag futbol
Thats a fair response, who knows perhaps Mavinga had a knock. What I am saying is that I could see 1, 2 or even 3 significant players being rested. But we had Poz (Injury), Gallardo (Knock), OG (Rest), Bradley (Rest), Jozy (Rest), Moore (Injury-Almost Ready), Laryea (One could argue, player for player exchange), Delgado. That is pretty drastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGoodson
On the point the world wasn't ending, I thought the same thing this time last year and was glad we went for it, but we may need the 3 points in October, playoffs are not guaranteed. There is no reason, we shouldn't make it and when healthy we can make a deep run but remember it is a one game knock-out this fall.
See you at Shoeless on Saturday.
COYRs