I dont get the Auro hate, I guess you guys listen to Caldwell a little too much. Hes a solid player for MLS, young and actually has some ability to pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by stegosaurus
You guys haven’t noticed when Moor screws up Caldwell barely puts any blame on him but if Auro is .5 cm too far off an attacker he blames him for the goal?
If you can go down to BMO and watch a game with that kind of referring all the power to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derko
I simply can't deal with it.
You must have a lot more patience than I do.
It annoys me so much for so many reasons.
It destroys the event
You did not stay home because of referring.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevep
This is a place to be specific about your annoyances instead of
Not being able to resell your superfan tickets
Blaming the midtable team not being top of the table
Blaming the league
Then blaming the refs after a bad game
I'm glad you enjoyed the winning when we were winning (i guess)
I meant Telfer. Brain cramp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikmacdo
Barely, but Caldwell does call out Moor. He just predictably is less inclined to focus on his shortcomings as long.He feels for him and relates to him. Once Caldwell is calling matches with no players he's played with or against it will eliminate that bit of bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikmacdo
But everybody is gonna have some bias.
I don’t hate Auro — no need for hyperbole. He’s just poor on defense and frequently injured. I don’t think he’s that impressive. Did you forget he was the backup to an RB others on the board say was as bad a pickup as Boyd?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikmacdo
I did call out Moor as well. He’s made a ton of mistakes and I think it’s probably his last season.
I agree with the VAR call that lead to the second penalty. Although i thought the call was for westberg, and not delon. I have no way of going back to watch it on any reply, so i'm going by what i saw in real time.
TFC issues on today's game have been here since day 1 of this season, so a little funny about the commentator saying he had to take the train and go through a tunnel, and yada yada.
As a fan of the game of soccer, it was still good soccer being played overall. Yes the ref was subpar, but that is what makes soccer, soccer. Sometimes you can get away with calls, that should have been made, and sometimes you get calls that shouldn't have been made. This is literally in all leagues around the world.
TFC attendance record was pretty good yesterday, 24k fans.
Maybe you’re just being contrarian, but you can literally just buy allocation spots and there are probably a boatload of teams who don’t want a TAM defender and would just pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by ensco
We had the top allocation spot twice since last year; we brought in Ciman by trading a #2 allocation spot and a worthless draft pick (aka nothing). LA picked up the other Gonzalez from a second position they traded for Garberbux.
Omar:Hagglund isn’t some sort of 1:1 trade like people are making it out to be. The Hagglund trade was great business, but saying that it got us OG is a bit of a stretch. If we wanted OG we would have got him regardless. MLS isn’t a league of “gazumps.”
Saying it’s rare that MLS applies or doesn’t apply rules doesn’t really matter, because it happens anyway.
They got TAM and GAM for Hagglund which helps them sign a TAM player, there’s a correlation for sure. We aren’t saying its a 1 for 1 trade but it sure as hell helped.Quote:
Originally Posted by stegosaurus
Auro is an okay winger, a very poor defender. He doesn't mark tight in the box, he tracks back too slowly.Quote:
Originally Posted by stegosaurus
I've always perceived a bias on Vanney's part against players who didn't have a certain mindset, including most of the Canadians. When Hamilton scored and it cut to him, there was this little lower lip thing he did that made me think his immediate, in-the-second reaction was 'fuck me', not, 'yes!'
Whether or not people agree with my sense that there is in-fighting between him and Curtis over his roster approach, I think it's only common sense that if he wanted Telfer here this season, he'd be here, because we're short wingers.
The GM isn't going to be sending out a player the coach wants, regardless of their relationship.
Then when he makes a fantastic play, recognizing the space, he gets "he's athletic" as a comment from his manager.
Equally, before Curtis came in, we CUT Hamilton. That had to be on Vanney's request, because once we had a new GM, we resigned him and gave him another shot.
He has four goals, but is still having trouble beating out Boyd for a start.
So, the timing suggests we have a manager who has some tactical understanding, but I suspect cannot read potential or how to use players that don't fit his personality mold. So far, that has mostly been Canadians.
Perhaps Vanney perceives them as not aggressive enough, because we're a more socially reserved people than the average type-a u.s. athlete, for the most part. He might even be right in some respects, if that's the case.
But the timing regarding both players, and their treatment, suggests he doesn't want them.
So maybe he is the problem. He can't work with headcases, or players who are more reserved, or more thoughtful. It's been a common complaint about U.S. baseball and football managers and coaches for years, in all sorts of sports literature by all sorts of athletes.
We already had TAM, acquiring allocation spots in exchange for very little is possible, and we made no signings last window. We could have always got Gonzalez whether or not we traded Hagglund, so the “trading Hagglund for Gonzalez” thing is still a stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikmacdo
Is no one else absolutely disgusted with the refereeing last night? It was enough to make you quit watching soccer. How in the hell do you give a free goal (penalty shot) for a player who got touched (not at all fouled) outside the box while being offside. This was 4 minutes later the referee going back and saying “I made a CLEAR AND OBVIOUS error this was a stone cold penalty shot I can’t believe I missed drew moor actually throw this player to the floor”. That’s what var is for not overturning 50/50 calls or should I say 1/99 calls and giving a free goal. Second var was a debatable penalty but yet again it wasn’t called so why give it. There was no CLEAR AND OBVIOUS ERROR, it was a bang bang play.
Then of course we have those half pk shouts which admittedly shouldn’t be called but this fuckin guy has the balls to not give us one after giving the other team 2 free goals. Just embarrassing var is making soccer unwatchable. Can’t even celebrate Hamilton’s goal cuz the dumb ass ref is trying to figure out a way to make that play offside
Honestly, thought they were both penalties soft as they might have seemed. Sometimes you can blame the refs, but this was just a case of us being poor yet again imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by michaeltfc91
Given how MLS is referees, the first isn’t a foul. There are hands on our strikers all the time - the referees happily let players wrestle Jozy and Boyd, game after game. And even if they didn’t, the guy was falling before the hand - very harsh to call that a foul.Quote:
Originally Posted by portu
The second could have been given. But wasn’t. Not clear and obvious to me that it should have been, because westberg got the ball. More importantly, it was t clear and obvious to the referee.
More importantly, I thought we played well. We had penetrating runs and ball movement. They attacked our lack of pace at CB but didn’t really expose us that badly. Given he lineup, I was pleasantly surprised.
For the original penalty, the ref thought it was outside the box, and felt it warranted a free kick. As yes, it was a soft call. but still a valid call.
once he already blew the whistle and it was deemed it was in the box, the penalty had to be taken. Can't take back a blown whistle.
I think you are on to something about personality types and cultural competency. Telfer and Hamilton are both straight up and quite.Quote:
Originally Posted by jloome
[QUOTE=michaeltfc91;1901142]Is no one else absolutely disgusted with the refereeing last night? It was enough to make you quit watching soccer.
Evidently not based on some of the inane comments I have received.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jloome
I'm going to suggest being careful trying to read expressions of someone like Vanney and building a whole narrative based on that. Vanney is like a poker player and does not show his emotions much.
I'd go by the actual facts which shows that he has given Hamilton lots of time this season. I think we're all learning that Hamilton's best performance is off the bench and not as a starter.
I wouldn't say he doesn't rate Telfer, it's just that Telfer needs more playing experience. Plus he even let Telfer go to York9, which wasn't the preferred loan, just to make him happy. That looks to me like he feels that he has potential.
While there’s probably something on the Canadian side too.... In general, i’d say the way Vanney sets up tactically really doesn’t leave much room for young players to develop.Quote:
Originally Posted by jloome
It’s either you fit in as a spare part to his pre-set system in hit the road.
This might be the case, and most of our youth are Canadian, so it looks like they're being singled out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ag futbol
Oldtimer, I don't doubt it could just be perception. I'm just playing hypotheticals based on the fact that, whether he's played him or not, he didn't want him back. That we know. We can't, however, judge whether he's getting time because Vanney wants to play him, or whether the GM who is noted for favoring youth development is telling him he's wrong, and to play the Canadian kids.
In the latter, either is possible. In the former, it was either Vanney or Bez who cut Hamilton, and I doubt the latter, given his age and citizenship. Curtis wasn't in the picture yet.
Nah, I've been saying this for most of the season & did so last season to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikmacdo
He takes passes - he sits on the ball and waits for a defender to commit. 80% of the time he just slows down that side attack to a crawl.
As for defending, he's a winger.
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Hamilton has 4 goals this season - if he doubles that, he is getting more then a lot of strikers who start.
Oh and a little tidbit about that second PK call.
There is a twitter account for PRO that announces the results of VAR decisions.
They came out and said the second was a PK a full 30 seconds before the ref made the call.
i.e. I'm pretty darn sure the VAR was persuading the ref to make that call.
That's NOT how this is supposed to go.
Yeah, that’s an incorrect implementation of VAR.Quote:
Originally Posted by OgtheDim
When Auro and Deleon were both healthy in a 4-2-3-1 they were combining well on the attack far better than the left side.Quote:
Originally Posted by OgtheDim
FWIW the stadium was extremely empty at the beginning in part because the Lakeshore West trains were buggered. Signal problems apparently. I took the streetcar from Union but the trains were a mess.
5 if you include CCL. 5 in 12 games, a few of which aren't even starts, is a really good clip. He could be the back-up we need but I still think he needs to be playing week in week out to reach that level, and I think it's obvious that Vanney isn't going to do that for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by OgtheDim
Was really impressed with Fraser's passing. He collects the ball then quickly shuffles his feet to deliver a 30 yard pass to bypass the defensive midfield to quickly attack. Its the opposite of Bradley who is constantly dribbling around going side to side then finally trying a long diagonal when the defense is set.
Hopefully when Bradley returns he replaces Delgado as the Box to Box midfielder leaving Fraser as the deep play maker.
Fraser was okay but made a ton of mistakes too. He’s still too inexperienced.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirBobSaget
For the passes he delivered he also sent some directly to the opposition starting counter attacks (though he did hustle to retrieve them — usually not winning anything back).
It was some poor refereeing. Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by michaeltfc91
I'll keep watching, though.
I thought Frazer was excellent both this game and the Vancouver game.
We played well, just unlucky on the VAR decisions.
VAR seems to have the same problems everywhere.