Originally Posted by
Kingvikingstad
It wouldn't keep what you two had written, likely because it was too long, but this is in reply to MightyDM and Ultra & Proud.
Nine game windows.
Nelsen
T 1-1 (H)
T 2-2 (A)
L 2-1 (H)
L 3-0 (A)
W 2-0 (A)
W 3-2 (A)
L 4-1 (A)
T 2-2 (H)
L 3-0 (H)
OVERALL: 2-4-3 (9 PTS)
HOME: 0-2-2 (2 PTS)
AWAY: 2-2-1 (7 PTS)
PPG = 1
12GF
19GA
Vanney
L 1-0 (A)
L 2-0 (H)
T 1-1 (A)
W 3-0 (H)
W 3-2 (H)
L 3-0 (A)
L 1-0 (H)
L 3-1 (A)
T 1-1 (H)
OVERALL: 2-5-2 (8 PTS)
HOME: 2-2-1 (7 PTS)
AWAY: 0-3-1 (1 PT)
PPG = 0.88
8GF
14GA
I've been a TFC fan for as long as they've been around, I know what the collapse looks like and the team was headed for a collapse. Regardless of which coach you look at it wasn't good enough. Excuse my hyperbole, but my point was that we were in an extended rut, which is true. If you're asking whether Nelsen should have been fired in the first place at that point in the season despite our current run of form, I don't think so. Does that inherently mean everything that resulted afterwards was Vanney's fault? No. Beyond the semantics of how badly we were doing before Nelsen was fired and the discussion of what could have been, I was (and am) aiming my thoughts more at how to judge Vanney.
How well can we judge a coach that took over a team that had their star striker unhappy and not playing, second star striker injured soonafter, captain injured around the same time, and having no say on the roster assembled. I mean, I haven't even gotten into how hard it is to change an entire team's tactical mindset midseason, from playing hoofball to a more progressive, modern game. Van Gaal is playing with some of the most intelligent footballers in the world (yes I know his tactics are more difficult) and it's taking him time, with a training camp to boot. Should Van Gaal be given all the blame for United's early season inconsistency - I'd say definitely not.
For all these reasons I place limited value on the third of the season Vanney has been here. The results haven't improved no, but they haven't been worse either which suggests to me that he's had very little effect.
Ultimately I'm left with the same point I made initially. Is Vanney good enough (results this season aside) to be the manager at TFC next year? Basically, if you were unaware Nelsen was fired and heard Vanney was hired, would you be happy with the hiring?
Based on his credentials, I don't think he's all that bad unless we're prying a big name within MLS or trying to get an established, successful manager outside of MLS (i.e. Bob Bradley). Unless we get a high profile manager, I'm okay with Vanney as the fallback.