Ya I feel like they took a chance on him in hopes coming here would rejuvenate something in him. He'll stay until the end of the year, but if he doesn't shape up, he'll be gone. There's no way he gets moved in the next window. That next window isn't / shouldn't be about strengthening depth. It should be about strengthening the starting 11.Quote:
Originally Posted by stegosaurus
2 central defenders not man marking a lethal mls striker cost us a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red4ever
I"m a huge fan of Ashtone but is he not marking the winger closely enough on both of those goals? He's back off about 5 yards before both crosses are whipped in and to me I don't understand how he didn't get right on the man to be able to close down the cross before it even gets off. Defenders do it to him all the time and turn his crosses into corner kicks.
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Originally Posted by burlington Red
If you look at the video posted above about the second goal, Moor gestures at the DM (Fraser) to cover Wondo because there is a back post threat - Fraser doesn't move.
First goal Moor got caught covering the near post that Mavinga had covered - didn't take the man when Wondo took a step back (which is a standard Wondo move).
On both goals, the cross coming in really should not have gotten there.
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I'm beginning to wonder if Mavinga's reliance on his athleticism is getting in the way of our ability to cover attackers properly - I'd have to look at the other goals we've given up this season but there is something fudamentally off about all this & its possibly down to all 3 of mentality, quality & system.
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I might do a deep dive into all our goals against this season & see what if anything can be gleaned from all that.
When marking a known goal threat like Wondo, one of the central defenders has to get touch tight. Mavinga was marking the space and not the man. A mid shouldn't be responsible for marking their top marksman from a cross in our own box. In hindsight he could have done better, but Mavinga needs to be on him. Mavinga has always had issues with his positioning, the fact his major strength is last ditch tackles testifies to that. That's why he usually looks better with Moor as he tends to organise the backline. Wondo is a goal mouth predator, doesn't do a ton else outside the box, the fact he had that much room after he'd already scored is criminal.Quote:
Originally Posted by OgtheDim
Anyone know why Jozy was so angry after the first goal?
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Originally Posted by andre99
he was angry before the first goal - the goal happened while he was angry - he was happy about the goal but he was frustrated because balls weren't being passed into the lane on his runs on either side - at least that's how i read it.
Good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by burlington Red
Let's keep playing a guy that can't score tap ins because the defense is bad.
You'll need a long night and a bottle of something strong to numb the sadness by watching all the goals against us. Good luck!Quote:
Originally Posted by OgtheDim
someone needs to be getting angry out thereQuote:
Originally Posted by backbeat
Og, props for even having this idea. And total props if you actually do it.Quote:
I might do a deep dive into all our goals against this season & see what if anything can be gleaned from all that.
I took the liberty of doing it for you as I had some free time. Here are my takes with links to the ones that really drove me nuts. EDIT: I linked all the goals so that it is easier to view and discussQuote:
Originally Posted by OgtheDim
1) March 2 vs Philly - Penalty off a Osorio handball
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/182853
2) March 17 vs New England - Brutal tackle by Mavinga for a Penalty
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/185182
3) March 17 vs New England - Auro is too slow tracking and reacting to the cross and bot Moor and Bono whiff at stopping the shot
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/185236
4) April 6 Vs Chicago - Moor gives away the ball at midfield, the long ball is played and Mavinga is not fast enough to beat Sapong, Sapong with a great touch and Bono is miles out of position
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/187416
5) April 6 vs Chicago - Laryea gives away the ball cheaply at midfield, both Mavinga and Bradley don't track Nikolic. Mavinga doesn't even look to see if there is a man near him.
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/187433
6) April 13 vs Seattle - Bad deflection, bot Ciman and Mavinga give up on the ball leaving Bruin with an open header
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/188368
7) April 13 vs Seattle - Chapman gets caught ball watching, Ciman can't block the cross and there is an easy tap in for Bruin. 2 Seattle players are in behind our backline
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/188392
8) April 13 vs Seattle - Mavinga and Ciman get caught covering the same man. Morrow, Bradley and Mavinga are all standing still as the ball is played through.
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/188402
9) April 19 vs Minnesota - Laryea loses the foot race and has to stop as Bono is way off his line when he shouldn't be, ball goes over Bono's head leaving Quintaro with an open tap in
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/189410
10) April 19 vs Minnesota - Mavinga with a bad tackle causing a penalty
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/189454
11) April 19 vs Minnesota - Routine cross, Ciman loses a 50/50 header, may have been pushed
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/189450
12) April 27 vs Portland - Corner kick leading to a beautiful volley goal. Auro could have cleared the ball but stood there watching and waiting for the ball to come to him
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/190702
13) April 27 vs Portland - Typical cross into the box, Mavinga completely lost his man and tried to make up for it with a ridiculous block/clearing attempt.
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/190732
14) May 8 vs Atlanta - Bono saves free kick, everyone is too slow to respond and Zavaleta decides to hug Villalba rather than take away any passing lane.
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/192554
15) May 8 vs Atlanta - Morrow cheats to double team Martinez leaving Gressel wide open just outisde the box. The shot takes a deflection off Morrow into the net.
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/192591
16) May 11 vs Philly - Auro is too slow to come back, neither Delgado or Zavaleta cover him or close in on the man fast enough. Then all 3 give up on running back. The cross comes in and goes off Mavinga for an OG
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/193002
17) May 11 vs Philly - Zavaleta has a chance to cut off the pass or at least stifle the man, instead he re-treats 10 yards and then doesn't take him off the give n go
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/193058
18) May 18 vs RSL - Hamilton and Morgan are sleeping on the throw in, the cross gets played and both Zavaleta and Auro make a half hearted attempt at the ball and on the ensuing tackle
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/194051
19) May 18 vs RSL - Auro and Delgado both give up on the man allowing him to walk through the midfield
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/194060
20) May 18 vs RSL - Auro gives the ball away too easily, Morrow falls down and Moor is practically walking back to defend.
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/194088
21) May 26 vs SJ - Moor completely loses Wondo in front of goal
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/195630
22) May 26 vs SJ - Moor tells Frasier to take Wondo and instead Frasier gets the best view in the house of #150.
https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/ma...s/video/195667
Those are just my takes on them for what it is worth. What is disturbing to me is the total lack of fight by our backline. We have simply given up on plays way to many times and it is costing us. Now if you'll excuse me I need a drink after re-watching those.
^ Thank-you for this, One thing I might add about our forwards and scoring, taking shots, which is my opinion only, shouldn't a forward player always be anticipating or expecting balls getting into the box,
our forwards always seem to be surprised that a ball makes into the box and have that moment of hesitation or indecision as if they are surprised the ball made it through and don't know what to do.
Is it a football sense thing or cultural thing? I don't know, perhaps someone can explain it. I feel most of our players are missing something mentally, in a football sense.
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Originally Posted by Red4ever
haha tap in, yeah right. You don't like the player, fair enough, he like many others hasn't been great of late, but this wasn't the game to criticise or single him out in. He set up the fist goal with an excellent pass. He made a great run for that attempt he didn't score on, and that wasn't an easy finish btw, he should at least be hitting the target and make their keeper work. But maybe give him kudos for having the smarts and conviction to make that run. Set up one around the 28th min and nearly grab an excellent team goal equalizer late on, think he did okay.
Especially the first one but true on both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Section_105
Lot of focus on the CB’s here but if you’re fullback can’t do anything to disrupt the attacking player it makes the job centrally that much more difficult.
I think we’re at the point where a new LB (at least for depth) is called for. Neither Morgan or Morrow offer much on the attacking side of the ball. Morgan all-around these days is really just squad depth / someone to push other guys in training. It would be better to have a second more potent option.
Not sure I agree with this regarding Morrow. I sit at the edge of the box on the east side, and get to watch him up close. He still has the ability to beat a defender or two and put in a good cross and does it most games. He's dangerous when he gets to the bi-line. He's somehow not getting the same output as the championship year. But no one is at the moment. I don't think that's an area we need to focus on. I'm still not sure about Auro on the other hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by ag futbol
I think what you’re describing might be enough in a 3-5-2 or against a team that plays very narrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canary10
IMO with the change in the salary structure in recent years you are starting to see some better attacking options at fullback and Morrow stands out (to me at least) as not being great. He moves the ball too slowly ( a one touch pass or a quick 1-2 is unheard of). I notice his teammates remonstrating with him about his attacking play pretty consistently.
Edwards could cut balls back, look to shoot, attack the end line. Morrow does maybe one of those things well. And when he gets to that end line we all know there the next ball is going.
Now of course we know Edwards is not even half the defender Morrow is, but someone in that mould might be a good attacking option late in games when we are pressing.
Edit: Looking at the heat maps so far this year, the team has a tendency to attack down the right or through the middle. I think that sort of builds on the case.
He scored 8 goals in 2017. He has always been an attacking fullback.Quote:
Originally Posted by ag futbol