Big name? I think they would struggle at this level. Look how Vanney struggles with weaker players. And Mourinho? Surely you are winding us up.
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Tbh he was having issues early on in the season, big portion of the players had trouble with his tactics. Not joking when I say that it could be in spite of him (look at the squad) rather than because of him. I'm still not convinced of him, happy to admit when I'm wrong and the season isn't done yet. Let's not forget the eastern conference is crap this season. Kinda tallest midget if you will
I was agreeing with you. Not sure where the confusion lies. When I said 'like this' I was referring to Almeyda etc
I missed the 'like this' line. Sorry about that but still, we won't do any move like this.
I can see someone like Ramos or Sarachan because of their work with the USSF (and our addiction to acquiring as many USMNT people as possible) or a former NYRB academy coach that was there during his reign. Long and terrible options would be 'name' NYRB retired players like Henry or Cahill taking over but Curtis did do a good job with his one manager switch in New York.
And I know people don't like Petke because he slurred that ref and took it way, way, way too far but if we wanted the anti-Vanney, a guy who brings passion and fire into the squad then that's the guy. Also won't happen because Curtis already dumped him once as soon as he could so that's that.
I'm not so sure about that. One thing I learned in life is that money talks and bullshit walks. I'm sure Mourinho would prefer to work with an elite squad, but once enough zeros are added to the salary, that preference will fly out of the window real quick.
Either way, I'm pretty sure that would never happen..just an interesting thought experiment.
I think a lot of the dissatisfaction with our last couple of coaches (not only Vanney) is based on the idea that someone like Mourinho would come here. Who wouldn't want that (although as has been pointed out they would probably struggle with the roster restrictions).
The best way to bring such ideas down to earth is to look at Qatar, Saudi, and China, places with a lot more money than MLSE ever could dream of in Bell and Rogers dreams. How many EPL coaches have left Europe for those places? Exactly none that I know of. Or even Australia which would offer comparable wages to MLS? Nobody.
Then coming to North America isn't even in the running. It's because unlike players, who have to maximize earnings over very few playing years, a coach can go on coaching to old age. So earning fast money like a Giovinco wants is way less a motivator than for a player. So what is a motivator? Glory. Winning the UEFA Champions League is way more valuable than an MLS Cup ever could be. So no, we're not getting Mourinho or Wenger, or Alex Ferguson coming out of retirement.
So out of foreign coaches you get up and coming types who hope to use MLS as a spring board, and leave as soon as possible. Your other choice is MLS Assistants, a fired MLS coach like Montreal just did, or USL or US college coaches. Do you want to replace Vanney with Fraser?
Whenever we get a new manager I bet it's someone with USMNT ties, as player or manager. Seeing as it's an ongoing thing here for years it must be from Manning. Bez isn't doing it in Columbus and Curtis is too new. Could be Vanney as well but I think Manning.
Well, Mourinho would be an interesting choice. If it follows the Special One's normal MO, the first year we'll win the Treble, the second year will see a drop in form, and the third year the wheels fall off and he's fired mid-season.
As for Fraser, I've heard rumours he is up for a Head Coaching position at some point. So if Vanney goes, I bet he's gone to a new team by the beginning of next season.
Mourinho has made $50-100M the last 7-8 years.
In my opinion - guys like this, there are only maybe 12 jobs in the world he would consider. He will wait for one of those.
Seems to me that the right ambition is to do what SJ did and get a top Liga MX guy. There are always good ones available, managers last a year on average down there.
Or what about Rainieri? He will seemingly go anywhere.
Back to reality - don’t lose sight of Carl Robinson. He hasn’t landed post Vancouver, and every day his record there looks better.
This is a good point. When he was there I thought he was alright but nothing special. The aftermath of his exit and the new knowledge of the level of dysfunction there really says something about how he steered the ship with that mess above his head. He's be risky but would be better than Fraser I think.
It's interesting. Vanney and Robinson have had similar periods in the role. Vanney's regular season W-L record is 89-71 and Carl's was 78-77. Carl did it in the west which was generally tougher and he never had close to the payroll Vanney had.
But of course Robinson never had anything like the three playoff/CCL runs Vanney had.
Carl Robinson? Eww, no thanks.
Not unless you want to see a talent like Pozuelo’s wasted
So explain to me the production of attacking players like Techera and Blas Perez under Robinson.
Serious question. These put downs of Robinson as an EPL throwback weren’t born out by the stats. Those Vancouver teams were mid table in scoring, with below mid table payrolls. In 2016, the peak Seba year, we had 51 goals, VWFC had 45 goals. VWFC spent $6.5M on players that year. We spent $22M.
Edit: forgot Manneh. He was a beast for a couple of years there.
I do think Vanney is gone by Monday if we don’t win this game.
It's not what I want, but it's what I think will happen.
Robinson is a mid table manager. No thanks.
Just thinking out side the box here - we seem to do OK when dipping into the Jupiter League.
Why not a Belgian league manager seeking an adventure?
You can't tell me there are not managers in equivalent leagues also looking for a change.
There are lots of managers who go for the dough. Not just Benitez. But they aren’t from England, Spain or Germany.
Giovinco's Saudi club was managed by Jorge Jesus at the time Seba went there. Jesus is a legend in Portugal, a serious world class manager who is now at Flamengo in Brazil.
Henk ten Cate had a pretty decent Euro football resume (including Ajax and Panathinaikos) before becoming a manager in the middle east
Ligue Un is a hotbed of this. The manager at Nantes, Christian Gourcuff, a big name in France, has cycled back and forth between Ligue Un and the Middle East multiple times. Bordeaux's manager, Paulo Sousa, was in China a couple of years ago.
I think a google search would find 5-10 more managers with interesting Euro resumés that have cycled through the Middle East or China.
I would give Vanney a full rebuild opportunity.
Fire the clown Curtis who hasn't a clue on on how world soccer works.
Edit: Where is the Curtis evaluation thread? He needs to be put under a microscope for that recent all for one video. He hasn't got a clue.
I would love a Portuguese manager for personal reasons. Why we haven't dipped more into Italian and Portuguese players is nuts to me.
Roger Schmidt is a free agent
I sometimes wonder if Curtis is trying to pull a "Mariner" and get Vanney out so that he can put in his own guy ... he strikes me as someone I wouldn't trust at all. The kind of business person who smiles at you all the while he is planning to rip you off or get you fired.
The Curtis evaluation thread is here. I was too harsh with Laryea in that thread, he's turned out OK. Re-signing Endoh turned out well, although an obvious move: http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/showthread.php?42375-Ali-Curtis-evaluation-thread
But just to Vanney and how he is doing; there are teams right now with far worse rosters and much less continuity performing much better and far more consistently than we have been since early last season. We can talk about Curtis getting him or not getting him the right pieces for his Man City gameplan but his job is to make the best with what he has and he has failed in that regard based on our roster. Our roster isn't Cinci's or Colorado's. It's a decent roster. Arena is doing more with less at NE.
Jozy says for the past year and a half it hasn't been good enough and that though the players may be good enough they need to start showing it.
Take from that what you will. Do or die for Vanney.
I would rather him see out the year but if we blow this one then either way we're finished. I hated it when we fired Nelson at a similar point and brought in Vanney but in hindsight it did give him a small run to evaluate the players, the training regimens, and overall fitness of the squad. Maybe a bit of a headstart on the following season? Still will most likely be shit for the rest of this season.
Nielson was a special case of incompetence. His training methods betrayed his lack of experience and qualifications. Vanney at least understood how to prepare his team with drills and exercises from his time in the Real Salt Lake academy.
Vanney’s method of preparation is fine, IMO. Its his attitude toward our academy players and whether his training is from the school of Tom Thibodeau that needs examination.
I’ve never bought that front office line about Nelsen. He was the Captain of two Premier League teams and of New Zealand, which was undefeated in the World Cup. To suggest that he did not understand training or tactics - especially defensive ones - really doesn’t square with history.
It also provides an easy out for Vanney et al around training methods. He has demonstrated tactical nous but the vast number of training injuries call someone’s training skills into question.
I don’t think playing and coaching necessarily translate I’m all cases. He was frequently out on the field with the players practicing with them playing as an extra defender. Not what a coach should be doing.
Hasn’t done much since, I think that tells the story.
To quote Arrigo Sacchi “I didn’t recall having to be a horse first to become a jockey”
Just because he captained teams in the past doesn’t mean he’s qualified to coach a team. He had zero experience and zero training as a coach. Preparing a team is more than tactics. As a player, you only partook in drills. You didn’t have to organize drills or workout management.
Seriously. I get not pursuing guys for marketing purposes but we have to have some sort of sponsorship agreement with AirFrance with the amount of Francophones that have come through here. Like if we can go shopping in France then why aren't we going shopping in Portugal and Italy. The guys would probably adjust better here anyway. The one Italian we had basically still lives here.