Hey I play against his agent tonight, I'll ask him what happened :)
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Hey I play against his agent tonight, I'll ask him what happened :)
You're a FIFA certified agent? ;)
I don't see you doing deals on "handshakes" and "promises". LOL
What aspect of sports management are you in though? Do represent any athletes in contract negotiations with the club? Are you part of sports agency? Do you work in the brand imaging department?
I will concede this.
I generally don't feel judging someone's principles is acceptable. However, there are instances where the judgement is obvious. There were people here casitgating Cann over his stand as being "unprincipled" where now it's coming out that in fact his position was more principled than we first knew. And I knew that a guy like Cann would not make such a move for no reason.
However, I have indeed passed judgement on the way the team has managed their affairs. I think the evidence is conclusive. That they have broken promises to fans and players is pretty much a fact at this point. To me that is sufficient to come to a conclusion about their principles in how they manage business.
Perhaps my statement should have read more along the lines of not passing judgement until there is evidence and maybe I should make that clarification now. But to me, the verdict on Mo is in and the verdict on TFC is in as well. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them. If you think there is the possibility to judge them favourably, then I'd be happy to hear where I may have been presumptive.
Represent athletes? No. But I advise on contract negotiations.
Do I work for a sports agency? No. But I consult for agencies.
Do I work with brand imaging? No, but my agency clients are also brand managers.
Is that enough credibility for you?
And the leagues I have covered include the more professional leagues than MLS. That's why when I say MLS is amateur, I really, really mean it. Compared to the CFL, NHL and NBA where I have done business, MLS has a long way to go.
But isn't the club doing that?
They fired Mo.
And it appears the club is renegotiating with DeRo.
And it renegotiated with Cann.
In both instances they weren't obligated to.
But at the same time the team now has to take a stand that it won't be taken advantage of.
I mean, what's to stop Frei and Attakora from making claims that they were promised x amount of money in a new contract too?
Fair enough.
I just don't see many verbal promises being made when it comes to salaries or contract amounts.
I can see it when it comes to some smaller details. The examples I've been privy to were cased of "don't worry we'll take care of it" when it came to things such as tickets, accommodations, travel, transportation, etc. but never on a monetary figure or even bonuses.
And I can see MLS being amateurish based on some of the player representation alone! LOL
Actually I don't disagree with either post. However, since clubs obviously do make "off the record" promises, it's not so unbelievable that they would go beyond what is "traditional" and cover monetary compensation. At least it's not surprising when you are run by Maurice Johnston.
By the way, my position in all this has never been to "overpay" either. It has always been that renegotiation is possible (and even necessary despite some contrary opinions on this board) and that players should be paid fairly. In my opinion, the 160k is fair to Cann (more than fair actually) HOWEVER his problem was that he was underpaid last year with the promise that this year he would be made up. That's what he is trying to deal with. Hopefully the club will not punish him for Mo's mistakes but Cann overplayed his hand and may come out losing even more and that should upset us as fans instead of siding with the team and taking advantage of Cann even more than he already was.
haha...no i'd agree that mo and the tfc fo have proved themselves to be not trustworthy.
i understand cann's postition, but he handled the situation poorly, in my opinion.
i do find it to be hysterical that after all of the shenanigans surrounding this, as well as dero's situation in the summer, it is likely to just kind of fade as the season gets underway.
This whole scenario reminds me of the NCAA and scholarships.
A university will go to an athlete and say "we'll offer you a full ride worth $200,000", the implication being 4 years @ $50,000/year and you think wow awesome.
So the athlete and school make a verbal agreement. However, until a LOI is signed, the athlete and the school can pull the offer.
So the athlete signs a letter of intent.
The smart one knows that athletic scholarships are actually a series of one year contracts that the school can pull at any time based on a variety of factors.
The less informed one is the one that's shocked/surprised when the university pulls the scholarship after 1 or 2 years and says "we like you to stay but if you want to, you'll have to pay your own way."
So the player says screw you. In the meantime another school offers up to cover the remainder of the scholarship but in order to do so, the player can't play for a year due to transfer rules.
The point in all of this? Be informed.
Any discussion of price fairness though has to take into account the year and circumstances under which the deal was signed. It is extremely hard to look at 2 players, one with a contract and one who is effectively in position to get a new contract and make a comparison.
You simply cannot compare a player's worth in present day dollars with a player that signed his deal years ago. It is a cursory view at best.
It would be like trying to sell/buy a house and using the prices from 3 years ago as a comparison.
The house can only really be compared to other houses on the market at the current time. It's price will be impacted by conditions such as the economy, the number of houses available, the interest rates and other factors. The price you settle on is a function of these conditions in the present day, not what the guy beside your house paid for it years ago.
In the MLS example, Cann's contract worth needs to be compared to what other guys of his age/skill set, who are currently on the market, are getting.
Given the cap has increased, one could argue Cann should be able to capture some of that upside.
Let's also factor in supply and demand. Could TFC replace him and at what cost? If there are no available replacements, his value is very high. If there are a ton of defenders of similar skill and the average contract value being handed out is $100k his value is around this mark.
So, what is Cann's worth relative to other MLS defenders that signed this year?
Adrian Cann Returns
http://viewfromthesouthstands.com/20...drian-returns/
Adrian Cann ends his holdout and returns to TFC, And Aron Winter demands an apology, & ironically the guy that ended Cann's season via injury in 2010 is acquired via trade on the same day.
Thoughts on yet another interesting day for Toronto FC.
That's not ironic, it's coincidental!
/grammar
Gareth Wheeler reports via Twitter that Cann delivered a heartfelt apology to the team and the fans. Winter says that he's had a good conversation with Cann and they are now looking into the future and not the past.
Good. Time to move forward.
Whatever side of the debate anyone is on I think Winter, for his part, handled the situation quite professionally. That is so refreshing to see when we look at the history of how players have been treated by past "management".
Cann manned-up and made the apology. Not always easy to do and I commend him for showing his professionalism in doing so.
Hopefully we will see less of these situations in the future with TFC being more professional is dealing with players.
Winter doesn't deal with any of this stuff. I talked with Cann's agent last night and got the scoop and Winter does not deal with any of this.
The apology is on TFC TV:
http://torontofc.neulion.com/tfc/con...atid=2&id=2856
Fair play to Cann.
Now Cann we move on and play Football!!
I believe Adrian with what he said.
Me thinks he has had some bad advice and he pursued that advice.
The guy wants to play footie for us and that's more than we can say for alot of people hahahaahaha we should be happy there's still some of these guys left lol
Cheers!
Really sucks though if Adrian is stuck with the crappy contract from Year 1. I think he's getting fucked over, dumb decision by him or not, if he was promised a certain amount by Mo and isn't getting it. I trust him when he said he left on principle. Well, I hope this can all be left behind and he gets a fair contract/can put his mind into playing well for the team.
I agree with the assumption that Cann's actions were a product of bad advice. I appreciate that he apologized to the fans and the team, but I could have lived without him doing on video like that. When's De Ro's apology airing?
he did get a new contract. he's making 125k now. he walked out wanting it to go up to 175 but TFC said we'll do 160 but you have to sign now. since he walked the 160 is off the table and he's back to making 125.
I still think 125k is ok. I mean we have to pay Nana and he's going to want to make more than Cann ..... if we gave Cann 175 then Nana is going to want 225 ....... and guess what, Chad Marshall makes 250 and he's miles better.