Always up for a debate but this thread probably isn't the spot.
Very much believe that you are worth what someone with pay you because that person believes that you will help them maximize their wealth.
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it would be cheaper to buy the argos...to fold them...
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IDK it depends on how much debt the organization was carrying... my educated assumption was and still is they were bought for debt plus $1.
You're absolutely right when it comes to Toronto. But one thing MLSE knows is that when it comes to pro sports they are the only game in town and pissing off fans has never been a big worry of theirs. Especially not now that they are also the only broadcaster. Toronto may have crappy, poorly attended teams, but MLSE (Bell and Rogers) make their money off the leagues. It's frustrating, for sure.
Labour Day classic shifted to Toronto for the hell of it? Just another home game for Toronto for me. Sure it will sellout but I doubt will see the vandalism we've seen in the past from rivals. That's as far as I'd care about it.
We'll know the worst about the groundshare by then.
Extrapolating the trend doesn't always work. There are a lot of big baseball franchises that drew 8,000 a game in the 1960s and 1970s.
I don't think the Argos are finished. It's a huge brand. I think they'll probably do a lot better at BMO than Skydome. Sitting outdoors is better.
The Argos primarily exist as a foil for the Western Canada CFL teams. The CFL is still very strong in the West. In Toronto, NFL has taken over, especially for younger pointy-ball fans. This is not a "trend," it is a current reality. Could Torontonians lose their love for the NFL? Possible, but not likely.
The Argos won't disappear though. Interests will prop them up so that Toronto stays in the running for an NFL franchise. The NFL needs the CFL to fight against anti-trust actions. The CFL could always theoretically move back into the US so they provide "competition" for the NFL so that they can say that they are not a monopoly.
Blue Patch Boys have launched. According to their twitter: The Argos are heading to BMO. We the Blue Patch Boys will turn RED into blue. Goals: Fieldturf by 2018. Lower bowl seats to turn BLUE by 2019.
Lots of tweets intended to tweak Red Patch Boys.
https://twitter.com/ARGOSBMO1
Saw this last month. Dude can't even troll properly.
Jerks exist on twitter but that doesn't mean people need to publicize them.
Toronto NFL fans need to get serious. There will be NO NFL club moving or expanding here... not willing to say EVER but its not far off EVER. London England has a better chance than Toronto. We don't have anything near a stadium (built or projected) that could accommodate the NFL and the biggest part of all of that is the fact that a Toronto franchise does NOTHING for US NFL television ratings - which we all know is the most important thing of all. And of course there is Los Angeles - currently without a team...
But back to the Argos. I keep repeating this for emphasis in this forum. The Argos to BMO is not about making the Argos profitable (I don't think they ever will be profitable in this market...). If MLSE TRULY thought they could make a shekel on the Argos ALL of MLSE would have bought in when given the opportunity. Only two of the partners in MLSE actually did. This is all about TSN - nothing more (Tannenbaum is like the Kevin Pollack character in 'Casino', namely the face of ownership, nothing more. TSN lost hockey and they can't afford to take another hit like that. TSN is far and away currently the MOST profitable cable TV property in Canada, by a wide margin actually. They have (to their credit) built the CFL TV product into a profitable venture for Bell that makes them money. No Argos means a seriously degraded asset in TSN and the Argos moving to the only place they realistically could have in Toronto is the result.
My big concern is the absolute lack of information from TFC surrounding the SPECIFICS of what they plan for the playing surface. The longer that goes on the more concerned I am becoming. All these updates about the stands and the roof have been COMPLETELY lacking in anything specific about the grass and HOW they plan to make sure that gridiron does not impact the grass.
This does concern me and TFC / MLSE owe us a SG Town Hall to fill in these details and to answer any and all questions that we might have for them.
Anecdotal information is not sufficient and that's all we seem to be getting.
One minute we hear no collapsible south-end seats and then we see three or four rows of south-end seats removed!
One minute we hear hybrid grass and then we hear no hybrid grass!
One minute we hear no logos on the field ..... ??????
... and so on and so on.
C'mon TFC / MLSE, the time is nigh!
I was told that Larry, or whoever, is paying to have 3 "back-up" pitches ready at all times. (essentially a sod farm)
so if by chance, the argos happen to play in 3 monsoon level games in 2016, BMO field has 3 pristine grass pitches to be harvested immediately and shipped down to BMO.
TFC should be shouting this from the rooftops.
if people knew that they are that committed, people would be put at ease.
I've heard they have a backup pitch but not 3, i hope your are right but its still tough to get them rooted at all mid season.
That's so true, and I'm glad you mentioned it. College sports in the US really is a different beast compared to athletics anywhere else in the world. And you're absolutely right - that's the point when people become more exposed so many other aspects of sports.
I think it's pretty much a "Toronto" thing, because out here in Durham, people in TFC shirts or jackets are also few and far between. For every person I see sporting TFC merch outside or at the mall, I'll probably see at least ten others wearing the colours of a European club - usually Real Madrid, Barca, Liverpool, or Man United. But like you said, there's even fewer people wearing Argos gear.
We've all said it several times before, but it really does bear repeating: Soccer has, of all summer sports, the most potential to become the next HUGE pastime for Canadians outside of hockey. It's as if the stars are in perfect alignment for it. Every passing day we continue to receive an influx of immigrants from nations where soccer is either a national institution or at least followed closely by most. Additionally, the sport continues to grow rapidly in the US - the one nation where we tend to take our cultural cues from (for better or worse). Which is probably why above anything else, the business of the Argos coming to BMO Field just doesn't sit right with many of us. Why is an accommodation being made by a team and a league who's sport is on the ascent nationally and across the continent, for a team that is playing for an extremely limited (and lessening) market?
Now that IS interesting. And you're right; if it's true, TFC should be mentioning it at every opportunity. The thought certainly eases my mind a little.
Soccer is growing, but I think most of that growth is accruing to the big Euro leagues and competitions. MLS soccer has lost ground to big time soccer the last 3-5 years. You can get every game in every big league (Italy, England, Spain, Germany) on HD TV now. You can get a lot of these games without spending much dough.
Re the Argos, I don't see the symmetry in discussing them vs TFC. It's a totally different niche fan base (and one that has been punished/ignored, and is likely to come back strong).
I live in Ajax and maybe there is a difference between Oshawa and Ajax when talking about TFC gear in Durham but I see TFC gear almost every day at some point when I do go out to some stores or whatever. I don't find it unusual to see and definitely wouldn't call it few and far between in Ajax. Maybe it is just the areas I got to. Who knows. You are right though you will see UEFA club teams even more though but that is pretty normal anywhere in Canada I would think. Argos gear....I can't even say when the last time is that I have ever seen any Argos gear on anyone. I don't know if I have even ever seen it for sale at places like National Sports, Sport Chek, etc. I am going to look for it next time I am out. Now I am curious.
Its A backup pitch along with the idea that regular grass is easy to patch - so putting in a field replacement is really a last resort but one that gives them some security until further assessment is made. A hybrid surface can't be patched so it got taken out of contention.
The artificial field on top of the regular was ruled out for 2 reasons - 1- its never been done and 2 (more importantly) its crazy expensive. Surface tiles like the ones they talk about are rented on a per event basis given how prohibitive the cost is on those tiles to own/maintain and operate.
Looks like that box has been ticked
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14...te-los-angeles
Rams headed back to Los Angeles; Chargers have option to join
Just because someone is wearing TFC gear doesn't mean they are supporters.
Suggest the next time you see someone in TFC gear in a mall or whatever try starting a conversation about the team or the players. From our experience, we have approached several people in TFC gear but were disappointed they knew little or nothing about TFC. Apparently they liked the look of the gear and bought it, or someone gave them the gear?
This is a big factor. And like most entertainment products these days, most consumer spending is on the top few with a big drop=off after that. In publishing we've seen the decline of what used to be called the mid-list and in movies it's the total dominance of the blockbuster. A few brand names dominate just about every industry.
If MLS is only ever a gate-receipt league with little presence on TV, so what? If there are 28 teams that each draw 25,000 fans to every game what's wrong with that?
I see people in Burlington wearing TFC gear fairly regularly in the spring and fall as the pullovers and jackets seams to be the most popular, almost never see Argos stuff but Ti-cats stuff appears from time to time.
I gotta admit, I'm a bit surprised by this. I work in Pickering and probably spend more waking hours there than I do Oshawa. I'd say in a workforce of about 360 people I'm one out of possibly a dozen TFC fans. Outside of us, there might be a dozen more of us who follow MLS in any way. On the flip side, there's plenty of guys who follow all their teams back home (mostly Portugal, Spain, and Italy). Actually, now that I think of it, Razor over at Petrina's probably has a number of friends who follow the team as well. So yeah, it just might be the circles I hang out with.
As Phil and Pint said above the surface question was clarified late summer of last year and that's the last word on it until this August when they look at the state of the pitch and decide whether or not to replace it fully (Grass for more grass).
The lack of a real press release or town hall or email even setting these details for all fans is what's got us all here. They have to deal with seat relocations first so that will be the first item resolved. It wasn't mentioned if there would be any loss of seats in the south, just how the seats would be removed or moved for the second tenants.
Is it just me, or did Barcelona get like ULTRA hip all of a sudden back in the mid 2000s? Don't get me wrong, it's a great team that has seen tremendous players over the years, but I remember Real Madrid shirts hitting the scene first and then it was like the people who didn't hop on that train went with Barca instead a few years later. Obviously, I don't think anyone here fits that description on account of being legitimate soccer fans, but something I sorta noticed happen.
it's part football, part marketing. The ronaldinho 2004-2008 team's were very big for a certain generation of young football fan who now had access to all the football they wanted. Then there was the Guardiola teams who "re-invented' football, combined with all that La Masia and them being "more than a club" bullshit being shoved down your throat at every turn. Then they were essentially bought by the Qatari government (same people who happen to own beIN sports) along with PSG in an attempt to convince everyone that because they gave the world the trio of Messi, Suarez and Neymar, everyone should forget that among other crimes, they're murdering thousands of slaves in order to build the infrastructure required to host the World Cup they stole through bribery and fraud. What you're noticing is a massive marketing campaign carried out by evil people.
Madrid also didn't do themselves many favors, what with only 3 major trophies in 9 years.