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Toronto_Bhoy
02-13-2009, 08:00 PM
AP are reporting Becks will return to MLS!!!

The English midfielder will return to the MLS team next month as scheduled after his loan agreement with AC Milan ends.
AEG executive Tim Leiweke says the Italian club didn't make a second offer to the Galaxy to keep Beckham so the team will adhere to MLS commissioner Don Garber's Friday deadline to resolve the situation.
The Galaxy had already rejected Milan's first offer.

forza_tfc
02-13-2009, 08:03 PM
Link to ESPN

http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/snet-618899

forza_tfc
02-13-2009, 08:06 PM
I still have my doubts--if he does go back I hope LA fans boo the fuck out of him.

nascarguy
02-13-2009, 08:11 PM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4921115,00.html

i just got done watch skysports new and they said that he could still move out of la to a there team in the mls. but when i went to look for that story online i could not find it

Toronto_Bhoy
02-13-2009, 08:11 PM
I was looking for a link but the story is the "out clause" in his contract doesn't kick in until after the completion of his THIRD season.

Personally, I don't get it, Beckham could play in this league until he's 40...why he'd want one last kick of the "European" can I don't understand?

Toronto_Bhoy
02-13-2009, 08:13 PM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4921115,00.html

i just got done watch shysports new and they said that he could still move out of la to a there team in the ls

Both CP24 and The FAN are quoting AP...

forza_tfc
02-13-2009, 08:14 PM
^ Not sure. According to Leiweke, they are honoring Garber's statement that he would not approve a transfer after today. Here's the latest...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SOC_MLS_GALAXY_BECKHAM?SITE=OHALL2&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

werewolf
02-13-2009, 08:18 PM
Excellent. Now the Galaxy won't have any added income when he leaves at the end of the year :D

Toronto_Bhoy
02-13-2009, 08:23 PM
As I see it, if his contract doesn't have an out until the end of this year, AC Milan would need to cover Beck's currnet contract. Granted, he's played well but that's a shit load of money to cover. If your LA...show us the money! If your AC...why would you?

nascarguy
02-13-2009, 08:24 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/7884924.stm

Toronto_Bhoy
02-13-2009, 08:29 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/7884924.stm

Yeah, I know I saw that but its 8 hours old...

forza_tfc
02-13-2009, 08:31 PM
And some more details from the LA Times

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-beckham-milan-galaxy14-2009feb14,0,5206153.story

nascarguy
02-13-2009, 08:32 PM
I'm still lookin for the story where LA is talking with Colorado

Toronto_Bhoy
02-13-2009, 08:36 PM
From AP:



"I know David is emotionally invested, but I don't think Milan really was that interested in spending the money we would have had to receive to compensate us for our losses," Leiweke said.

He confirmed that Beckham has a clause in his contract that would allow him to leave at the end of this year.

"Clearly the risk is we may lose him at the end of the year," Leiweke said. "Our hope is the team surprises him and we're a lot better than last year."




Leiweke said he had discussions with Milan officials earlier in the week, but heard nothing from them Friday.

Garber said this week he wanted Beckham's future resolved by Friday or he would not approve any transfer between the two teams.

"The negotiations are over and we move on," Leiweke said. "We look forward to seeing David back in camp. We need to have a good season and we need to live up to a higher expectation."

Toronto_Bhoy
02-13-2009, 08:41 PM
Forza TFC are you an AC Milan fan? Trane, how do feel about this? Would you want to keep Becks?

dantdot
02-13-2009, 08:56 PM
It'll be entertaining watching the sulking, disgruntled Beckham show this season.

TFCREDNWHITE
02-13-2009, 08:58 PM
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/66/united-states/2009/02/14/1108596/beckham-deal-killed-as-deadline-not-met

Great article. I fully agree with the Galaxy!

I would tell Milan the same thing: "You want him? Then fork over the fucking CASH u assholes!, If not, then FUCK OFF!!"

Fucking Milan trying to mind fuck everyone!

forza_tfc
02-13-2009, 08:59 PM
Forza TFC are you an AC Milan fan? Trane, how do feel about this? Would you want to keep Becks?

Yes, I am a huge AC Milan fan (been a fan for as long as I remember living), which means I am conflicted about this situation.

He certainly helped with Milan's success the past few weeks, but I am unhappy about his negative comments about the MLS. It's not rocket science, MLS is no Premiership or Serie A. And who wouldn't love playing with some of the top footballers in the world? Obviously it will elevate his game, but he does come across as a backstabber especially when considering some of the words he used to describe his move to LA -- "... soccer is huge all around the world apart from America, so that's where I want to make a difference with the kids." Going back on those words makes him shallow.

As an MLS fan, I say fuck him. As a Milan fan, I say keep up those crosses to Pato (especially on Sunday's derby).

TFCREDNWHITE
02-13-2009, 08:59 PM
By the way, i'm pretty sure that AEG is much wealthier than AC Milan.

Shakes McQueen
02-13-2009, 09:03 PM
By the way, i'm pretty sure that AEG is much wealthier than AC Milan.

Of course, because AEG actually makes money, instead of simply being worth a lot, but owing even more - like AC Milan, Manchester United, Real Madrid... the list goes on. :D

- Scott

Suljazz
02-13-2009, 09:04 PM
I think its too bad he had to do things this way, he obviously can still play for england (whether as a starter or reserve im not sure), but he wont get much of a look because Capello wants him to play in italy.

DOMIN8R
02-13-2009, 09:08 PM
He made his bed. End of story.

If he wanted out bad enough - he'd make up the shortfall on Millan's offer. God knows he can afford it.

FluSH
02-13-2009, 09:23 PM
Excellent. Now the Galaxy won't have any added income when he leaves at the end of the year :D


who here smells "bogus" injury for bekham for the rest of the season?

Redcoe15
02-13-2009, 09:27 PM
MLS should have negotiated with AC Milan for the best deal for both sides. I don't see how this looks good for MLS. If Beckham walks after the end of the season, they get nothing.

Detroit_TFC
02-13-2009, 09:35 PM
It'll be entertaining watching the sulking, disgruntled Beckham show this season.

QFT

No way that Arena puts together anything even resembling a team this year.

egoodwin
02-13-2009, 09:52 PM
Excellent. Now the Galaxy won't have any added income when he leaves at the end of the year :D
actually, they'd make more money in friendlies and merchandise in this upcoming year with Beckham, than they would in this transfer

werewolf
02-13-2009, 09:54 PM
Friendlies, maybe a few.

merchandise? You expect jerseys to be flying of the shelf this year when everyone knows he is leaving?

mighty_torontofc_2008
02-13-2009, 10:05 PM
MLS should have negotiated with AC Milan for the best deal for both sides. I don't see how this looks good for MLS. If Beckham walks after the end of the season, they get nothing.


Becks signed a contract and that should be honoured...He wants a MLS frnachise after his playing days are over...good luck in that David...no chance.

Pachuco
02-13-2009, 10:06 PM
Friendlies, maybe a few.

merchandise? You expect jerseys to be flying of the shelf this year when everyone knows he is leaving?

Yes I do. Who are we kidding? do 8 year old boys read the news and understand the reason why Beckham is coming back to the MLS? do women give a shit? the answer to that is NO. Only hard core supporters like us give a shit about stuff like this, the rest of them will buy the merchandise and will still go see him play.

Also, I believe he'll sell MORE merch this year for the simple fact he is leaving.

Chevy
02-13-2009, 10:14 PM
MLS should have negotiated with AC Milan for the best deal for both sides. I don't see how this looks good for MLS. If Beckham walks after the end of the season, they get nothing.

Agreed. Send him out on a two year loan, let him play for AC and in the 2010 WC and then bring him back to LA for another few years.

Derko
02-13-2009, 10:17 PM
I was looking for a link but the story is the "out clause" in his contract doesn't kick in until after the completion of his THIRD season.

Personally, I don't get it, Beckham could play in this league until he's 40...why he'd want one last kick of the "European" can I don't understand?

Because, if Beckham is to be even considered to be on the England National squad, he has to be game fit and playing in a Competitive League, and the MLS is not a competitve league on the world stage, I don't blame Beckham one bit, Remember Country before Club!!! There is a World Cup next year, and if Beckham can help them (Three Lions) qualify, then go for it.

That is the only reason he wants to stay in Milan, Serie A is a competitive league, if you play and train in a lesser league, you become the same quality as that league. It is a fact of sport and athletics.

Sally Mack
02-13-2009, 10:19 PM
I truly dont think this is the end of it. I do think Garber's an idiot. He should know better than to try to push around "Mighty AC Milan". I think his intentions were clear here: He wanted to force Milan into making an unreasonably large offer. Milan doesn't play that way.

There's a saying, "Sometimes no deal is the worst deal". And I truly do think that Garber could have got his money, and milan could have got becks, had Garber put in the time and effort to negotiate. Now either he's going to give in, and sell Becks past his deadline (thus making MLS look like an even bigger joke by going back on his word), or he's just going to get ripped off in November when Beckham uses his escape clause.

denime
02-13-2009, 10:19 PM
By the way, i'm pretty sure that AEG is much wealthier than AC Milan.

Milan is Berlusconi

Berlusconi is Italy's third richest person, with personal assets worth US $9.4 billion in 2008.

AEG ?

werewolf
02-13-2009, 10:21 PM
Yes I do. Who are we kidding? do 8 year old boys read the news and understand the reason why Beckham is coming back to the MLS? do women give a shit? the answer to that is NO. Only hard core supporters like us give a shit about stuff like this, the rest of them will buy the merchandise and will still go see him play.

Also, I believe he'll sell MORE merch this year for the simple fact he is leaving.

I'd be wary of saturation. He has been to every city now, people always want the newest and latest, Beckham may be old news by this season. Plus as mentioned earlier, he might have a "mysterious" long-term injury.

boomcha
02-13-2009, 10:22 PM
I don't believe it until I see him on the pitch. I hope that he does come back and gives MLS a bit more exposure and attracts more media frenzy for our sport here in North America but the fact that he is cry babying about wanting to stay in Italy I don't believe it until he is truly back on their opening day. Good on MLS for sticking to their guns.

I figured that something like this would take place because he was playing in LA and how crappy they have been doing since he was announced to play here in NA.

If and when he does come back I will be front and center singing "You can stick your David Beckham up your ass!!!"

Derko
02-13-2009, 10:24 PM
I'd be wary of saturation. He has been to every city now, people always want the newest and latest, Beckham may be old news by this season. Plus as mentioned earlier, he might have a "mysterious" long-term injury.

Which will not be good for Beckham's chances at the England National Team, will it.

FluSH
02-13-2009, 10:27 PM
Yes I do. Who are we kidding? do 8 year old boys read the news and understand the reason why Beckham is coming back to the MLS? do women give a shit? the answer to that is NO. Only hard core supporters like us give a shit about stuff like this, the rest of them will buy the merchandise and will still go see him play.

Also, I believe he'll sell MORE merch this year for the simple fact he is leaving.


The only reason I agree with you here is because the media coverage won't be there to talk about it and cause a shit storm.

Unlike A Rod's steroid scandal... I'm sure that 8yr olds and women will read the papers and give a shit.

This will prove how much of a professional Beckham is... if he dogs it or plays like a pro regardless of his AC Milan wetdreams.

MG42
02-13-2009, 10:27 PM
Milan is going to pay the $$$, they just didn't want to play bitch to Garber's "deadline" It's a pissing match that Garber can't win.

Oldtimer
02-13-2009, 10:34 PM
Milan is Berlusconi

Berlusconi is Italy's third richest person, with personal assets worth US $9.4 billion in 2008.

AEG ?

Not far:


Philip Frederick Anschutz (born 28 December (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_28) 1939 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939) in Russell, Kansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell,_Kansas)) is an American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) businessman and supporter of conservative Christian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian) causes. With an estimated current[update] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Philip_Anschutz&action=edit) net worth of around $7.8 billion, he is ranked by Forbes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes) as the 31st richest person in the USA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_400).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Anschutz

They're in the same league.

Shakes McQueen
02-13-2009, 10:47 PM
Milan is Berlusconi

Berlusconi is Italy's third richest person, with personal assets worth US $9.4 billion in 2008.

AEG ?

From Wikipedia:


AEG is the world’s largest owner of sports teams and sports events, the owner of the world’s most profitable sports and entertainment venues, and under AEG Live (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEG_Live) is the world’s second largest presenter of live music and entertainment events after Live Nation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Nation).

Sounds like Berlusconi can't hold a candle to AEG's holdings, let alone whatever Phil Anschutz's personal wealth is - and I know he is worth several billion at the least.

EDIT: Just checked Forbes. Anschutz's personal wealth is estimated at $8 billion dollars.

- Scott

Steve
02-13-2009, 10:55 PM
Milan is going to pay the $$$, they just didn't want to play bitch to Garber's "deadline" It's a pissing match that Garber can't win.

Why do people keep saying this? And saying how this makes us look mickey mouse?

Beckham has a contract with MLS. It is entirely up to MLS whether to sell him or not. Boo hoo, he's under contract and wants to go somewhere else. Suck it up.

And what makes you think Garber hasn't won? As has been said, AEG (and MLS) stands to make a lot of money with Beckham here for another year. Obviously the first offer was low enough that AEG stood to make more money by keeping him. That's simple business. Garber stepped in because he didn't want the "Beckham could be leaving!" Story to run into the start of the MLS season. By cutting it off now, he's taken the wind out of the story and so ensured the entire season wouldn't be overshadowed by this story, and MLS would get one more good payday off of him. Frankly, it's shrewd business.

Shakes McQueen
02-13-2009, 11:03 PM
I don't expect Beckham to sulk all year, provided he ends up back in LA (yes, I still think it's possible he's gone). He has always been a consummate professional, and only stated his desire to stay in Milan - he didn't try to pull any diva power-plays to get what he wanted.

The guy wants to play in the World Cup, and was told that high-level football was his only path to get there. I don't begrudge him wanting to go to Milan, to try and achieve this goal.

At the same time, he signed a contract, and should be expected to honour it. I really hate how, in football specifically, contracts aren't worth the paper they are written on. Players have far too much power.

It will be interesting to see if Garber allows a deal to go through anyway, now that the deadline has passed. But it really sounds like LA is expecting him to be back at t his point.

- Scott

TFCREDNWHITE
02-13-2009, 11:14 PM
Milan is Berlusconi

Berlusconi is Italy's third richest person, with personal assets worth US $9.4 billion in 2008.

AEG ?

Link please......

Toronto_Bhoy
02-13-2009, 11:21 PM
This will prove how much of a professional Beckham is... if he dogs it or plays like a pro regardless of his AC Milan wetdreams.

From what I've read and seen, I'm not sure there isn't a more professional footballer on the planet. Personally, I'm not a huge Beckham fan but he constantly amazes me with his dedication to the game.

Everytime he's written off he resurfaces...in a big way. When he went to Milan I thought, "You've got to be kidding?" He's been magnificant...

If you don't like him...fair enough...but give credit where credits due...

Flush, I think he'll do the latter...I honestly don't think he knows how to dog it.

Yozzarian
02-13-2009, 11:22 PM
I'd feel sorry for LA ... except that they are LA and decided to go the media whore route for the league. Forget the Becky hoopla, they have to put a team together for the upcoming season with 1/8 of the salary cap tied up in a player who may or may not show up. They really need to rebuild and can't do squat till this gets sorted.
We have tons of extra allocation (Mo's favoured trade) and still have to watch our pennies... imagine doing it with 1/4 (if you include Landycakes) of your cap space as a big question mark.

denime
02-13-2009, 11:25 PM
Link please......

Berlusconi's main company Mediaset (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediaset) comprises three national television channels, which hold approximately half the national viewing audience, and Publitalia, the leading Italian advertising and publicity agency. He also owns Arnoldo Mondadori Editore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnoldo_Mondadori_Editore), the largest Italian publishing house, whose publications include Panorama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panorama_%28Italian_magazine%29), one of the most popular news magazine in Italy. He has interests in cinema and home video distribution firms (Medusa and Penta), insurance and banking (Mediolanum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediolanum_%28company%29)) and a variety of other activities. His brother, Paolo Berlusconi, owns and operates Il Giornale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_Giornale), a centre-right newspaper which provides a strong pro-Berlusconi slant on Italy and its politics.
Berlusconi also owns the nationally and internationally successful football club AC Milan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_Milan) which has made an important contribution to his continuing political success.
"Forza Italia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forza_Italia)" (meaning "Go Italy!", "Forward, Italy!" or simply "Italy Forward") was best known, before the political party of the same name was founded, as the slogan of the Italian national football team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_national_football_team).[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi#cite_note-cnnber-6)




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi

Pachuco
02-13-2009, 11:37 PM
The only reason I agree with you here is because the media coverage won't be there to talk about it and cause a shit storm.

Unlike A Rod's steroid scandal... I'm sure that 8yr olds and women will read the papers and give a shit.

This will prove how much of a professional Beckham is... if he dogs it or plays like a pro regardless of his AC Milan wetdreams.

Right. The difference with A-Rod and Beckham though is that A-Rod is hated by 95% of the people who watch the sport, including Yankee fans. Beckham on the other hand is loved by 95% of the people who watch the sport. So I do believe when fans hear it's Beckham's last year in MLS, people will put that to the forefront as opposed to trying to bury him simply because he wants to play in Milan.

Having said that, I reaaally can't see Beckham dogging it while he's here. He's developed this persona of a very hard working man who loves the sport. I'm sure that's an image he wants to keep.

Some people are suggesting he'll develop a mysterious injury? must be the same people that thought Y2K was going to end the world. I mean, the guy's goal is to help England qualify for 2010, you think he's going to do that by pretending to be injured? This guy will work his butt off and prove to Capello that even though he's playing in the MLS, he's still fit enough to play at the highest level. He proved it last year, so not sure why he can't do it for another year.

Toronto_Bhoy
02-13-2009, 11:40 PM
Forbes ranks them 7 and 8. Paul Allen, the Seattle owner, has almost as much money as the two combined.

The 10 Richest Billionaire Soccer Club Owners

http://www.forbes.com/2008/02/04/soccer-billionaires-abramovich-biz-sports-cx_af_0205soccerbillies_slide.html?thisSpeed=15000

Shakes McQueen
02-13-2009, 11:53 PM
Right. The difference with A-Rod and Beckham though is that A-Rod is hated by 95% of the people who watch the sport, including Yankee fans. Beckham on the other hand is loved by 95% of the people who watch the sport. So I do believe when fans hear it's Beckham's last year in MLS, people will put that to the forefront as opposed to trying to bury him simply because he wants to play in Milan.

Having said that, I reaaally can't see Beckham dogging it while he's here. He's developed this persona of a very hard working man who loves the sport. I'm sure that's an image he wants to keep.

Some people are suggesting he'll develop a mysterious injury? must be the same people that thought Y2K was going to end the world. I mean, the guy's goal is to help England qualify for 2010, you think he's going to do that by pretending to be injured? This guy will work his butt off and prove to Capello that even though he's playing in the MLS, he's still fit enough to play at the highest level. He proved it last year, so not sure why he can't do it for another year.

The other thing is - Beckham can actually go back to play in Europe again before the Word Cup, when he inevitably opts out of his contract after this season.

Furthermore, I think he proved in his stint at Milan, that playing in MLS doesn't make you forget how to play at a high level. Beckham came in to Milan, and made a positive impact immediately.

I don't know that going back to LA is really a death knell for his 2010 chances any more.

- Scott

Pachuco
02-13-2009, 11:58 PM
The other thing is - Beckham can actually go back to play in Europe again before the Word Cup, when he inevitably opts out of his contract after this season.

Furthermore, I think he proved in his stint at Milan, that playing in MLS doesn't make you forget how to play at a high level. Beckham came in to Milan, and made a positive impact immediately.

I don't know that going back to LA is really a death knell for his 2010 chances any more.

- Scott

Exactly. And I don't think I ever heard Capello say that you don't play on his team unless you play at the highest level. In fact, the only thing I remember him saying was "if you want to play for my team, you need to be currently playing", hence the reason why Beckham ended up in Milan during the MLS offseason.

I think people forget sometimes that Beckham actually revived his career in the MLS. He started to fall off the map in England when he started getting benched in Spain. When he came to L.A and started playing regularly, he actually got called up again.

Wagner
02-14-2009, 12:28 AM
Milan is going to pay the $$$, they just didn't want to play bitch to Garber's "deadline" It's a pissing match that Garber can't win.

I agree.
Garber's BS deadline passed, so he issued a press release saying Soccer spice is coming back to the Gals cuz "he says so."
I'm sure AC Milan was just thinking they'd let it pass...
i'm sure they are still working out the details.

If Mr. Posh stays, it'll be like that dude that won't accept that his GF has broken up with him...
how can you force someone to do something they don't want to do?
I know that there are contracts....but if his heart's not in it...just cut your losses. There's going to be a massive and even more distracting circus this year with constant rumours of his departure.

Shakes McQueen
02-14-2009, 12:35 AM
I agree.
Garber's BS deadline passed, so he issued a press release saying Soccer spice is coming back to the Gals cuz "he says so."
I'm sure AC Milan was just thinking they'd let it pass...
i'm sure they are still working out the details.

If Mr. Posh stays, it'll be like that dude that won't accept that his GF has broken up with him...
how can you force someone to do something they don't want to do?
I know that there are contracts....but if his heart's not in it...just cut your losses. There's going to be a massive and even more distracting circus this year with constant rumours of his departure.

The thing is, with a team like LA in a league like MLS, it isn't just a matter of cutting a player whose heart isn't in the team anymore. LA stands to lose a ton of revenue, if they lose Beckham. This isn't like an EPL team, where the money will flow in, regardless of whether one player leaves town.

From reading LA's statements, it really looks like the negotiations are 100% over. They issued a pretty definitive release stating that it's not fair to the fans and STH's to drag this on any longer, and they were turning down any further talks. Pretty hard to go back on a declaration like that.

The only way I see something getting done, is if Milan or Beckham unexpectedly get petulant about the situation, and try to screw the Galaxy over. I know technically Beckham's loan goes until June (because loans require a certain length), but they have an "agreement" that he will be back for March - perhaps there is an opening there for Becks/Milan to try and pull some legal shenanigans.

- Scott

rocker
02-14-2009, 01:09 AM
Playing for LA, Becks still made the England national team, so what's the prob with coming back to LA? He got his "booster shot" playing for Milan. Now come back and play through the whole summer (when Milan is on summer holidays). He'll be in perfect shape for qualifying.

NateDoGG
02-14-2009, 01:49 AM
i think its a good thing becks is gonna stay alteast one more season in the mls, he has alot to do for the sport here, we need him to bring attention to the league. its sad. but its true.

nascarguy
02-14-2009, 05:15 AM
beckham could be sold to any club before oct

trane
02-14-2009, 08:29 AM
Forza TFC are you an AC Milan fan? Trane, how do feel about this? Would you want to keep Becks?

I am, but Milan is not going to bend over for Garber, and as I said Garbers posturing cost the MLS and LA, had they dealt properly they would have had a good deal for both sides, now they lose Becks for nothing in November, and MLS reputation goes down.

Becks is good, but his value to Milan is limited. Garber played his hand to strong.

koryo
02-14-2009, 08:33 AM
^^ Spot on Trane. Yesterday morning, Setanta reported a deal worth $20 million pending approval. That would have been a nice chunk of change for the league and for the Galaxy.

So what happens now? Thanks to Garber playing the petulant twat Beckham plays in LA for one more season, which he uses to audition for another club (be it Inter or no) then he leaves on a free at season's end.

Mickey League Soccer winds up with egg on their face and lint in their pockets.

Shakes McQueen
02-14-2009, 08:39 AM
^^ Spot on Trane. Yesterday morning, Setanta reported a deal worth $20 million pending approval. That would have been a nice chunk of change for the league and for the Galaxy.

So what happens now? Thanks to Garber playing the petulant twat Beckham plays in LA for one more season, which he uses to audition for another club (be it Inter or no) then he leaves on a free at season's end.

Mickey League Soccer winds up with egg on their face and lint in their pockets.

Regardless of what Setanta reported, LA said there was no offer from Milan, after the initial insulting $5 million bid for him.

If anything, Milan overplayed their hand. They were playing great with Becks, and then decided to scoff when MLS dared to assert itself.

Milan tried to take advantage of MLS, and came away empty handed for it. If anything, I think MLS comes out looking better - I'm glad they decided to stand on principles to some extent, rather than just quietly accepting whatever crumbs AC Milan decided to be nice enough to throw them.

Whatever money they lost from Milan, will be easily made up by the marketability Beckham will continue to bring to MLS for another year, at least.

- Scott

JonO
02-14-2009, 08:41 AM
^^ I think I may have missed it, but although we all know that there is an opt out at the end of this year for Beckham, do we know any of the details (i.e. are we sure it will be a free walk?)

JonO
02-14-2009, 08:45 AM
Regardless of what Setanta reported, LA said there was no offer from Milan, after the initial insulting $5 million bid for him.

True - it's unfair to call Garber a meddling twat based on speculation and rumour ;)

trane
02-14-2009, 08:45 AM
^^ Spot on Trane. Yesterday morning, Setanta reported a deal worth $20 million pending approval. That would have been a nice chunk of change for the league and for the Galaxy.

So what happens now? Thanks to Garber playing the petulant twat Beckham plays in LA for one more season, which he uses to audition for another club (be it Inter or no) then he leaves on a free at season's end.

Mickey League Soccer winds up with egg on their face and lint in their pockets.

People thought that my observations were because I was a Milan supporter, but it is just not the way to negotiate if you are realy interested in making a deal.

However, if Shakes was right and there was not second offer then at some point you had to close the door. But from all reports negotiations were continuing. This is not going to be good PR for the league, Maldini already came out and made comments about Becks wanting to play real football, Maldini may be wrong and a twat for saying it, but European players are more likely to believe him and Becks about the league then whatever Garber wants to put out there. Had the league been able to negotaiate a good deal the MLS would have looked better. Milan does not have an image problem in regard to attracting tallent MLS does.

koryo
02-14-2009, 08:45 AM
Regardless of what Setanta reported, LA said there was no offer from Milan, after the initial insulting $5 million bid for him.

If anything, Milan overplayed their hand. They were playing great with Becks, and then decided to scoff when MLS dared to assert itself.

Milan tried to take advantage of MLS, and came away empty handed for it. If anything, I think MLS comes out looking better - I'm glad they decided to stand on principles to some extent, rather than just quietly accepting whatever crumbs AC Milan decided to be nice enough to throw them.

Whatever money they lost from Milan, will be easily made up by the marketability Beckham will continue to bring to MLS for another year, at least.

- Scott

And who's to say LA isn't posturing by denying a second bid? As far as trying to take advantage of MLS: how much is the Galaxy paying Becks per season? So let's say that LA's been telling the truth all along, they would have broken even on the deal.

When all is said and done, I doubt we're getting the whole story between the two sides anyway.

The real question now is how does Becks react? He'll be professional about it of course, but you know his heart isn't in the MLS.

trane
02-14-2009, 08:50 AM
^ That is the point clearly Becks wants to leave, he will be a professional but he will be demoralized.


And for the record, I am a Milanista, it is my home town team so my first love, however, I am no great supporter of the current regime, particularly that Berlusconi, he is a fuck.

koryo
02-14-2009, 08:51 AM
^^ I think I may have missed it, but although we all know that there is an opt out at the end of this year for Beckham, do we know any of the details (i.e. are we sure it will be a free walk?)

Don't know the details either. Compensation for the team who signs him or a free. Just not sure which.

As for calling Garber a twat: I just think he is. :)

Shakes McQueen
02-14-2009, 08:53 AM
^ That is the point clearly Becks wants to leave, he will be a professional but he will be demoralized.

Beckham being demoralized won't diminish shirt sales, or his marketability in the United States. That is what both LA and MLS care about.

Having Beckham here makes them far more money than what Milan was apparently willing to offer. LA themselves said they would accept $20 million for him - clearly that offer never came.

- Scott

koryo
02-14-2009, 08:56 AM
But from all reports negotiations were continuing. This is not going to be good PR for the league, Maldini already came out and made comments about Becks wanting to play real football, Maldini may be wrong and a twat for saying it, but European players are more likely to believe him and Becks about the league then whatever Garber wants to put out there. Had the league been able to negotaiate a good deal the MLS would have looked better. Milan does not have an image problem in regard to attracting tallent MLS does.

In regards to an image problem, the MLS has sent out the message that they are willing to play hardball on these matters. Quite frankly, they're not a good enough league to do that. As you say, for a league that already has trouble attracting talent, they've made it worse on themselves in the long run.

Again: Mickey League Soccer = lack of vision. Garber = twat.

trane
02-14-2009, 08:57 AM
I thought 20 Million US would be fare, and I thought it was offered, reading English and Italian sources. However, who knows as I said the Milan management is not beyoind playing hardball themselves.

trane
02-14-2009, 08:57 AM
In regards to an image problem, the MLS has sent out the message that they are willing to play hardball on these matters. Quite frankly, they're not a good enough league to do that. As you say, for a league that already has trouble attracting talent, they've made it worse on themselves in the long run.

Again: Mickey League Soccer = lack of vision. Garber = twat.

Agreed.

koryo
02-14-2009, 08:58 AM
Beckham being demoralized won't diminish shirt sales, or his marketability in the United States. That is what both LA and MLS care about.

Having Beckham here makes them far more money than what Milan was apparently willing to offer. LA themselves said they would accept $20 million for him - clearly that offer never came.

- Scott

And you're absolutely right about that. I can't accuse the MLS of putting the quality of football first :)

Hold on, Swansea just equalized...

Shakes McQueen
02-14-2009, 09:04 AM
In regards to an image problem, the MLS has sent out the message that they are willing to play hardball on these matters. Quite frankly, they're not a good enough league to do that. As you say, for a league that already has trouble attracting talent, they've made it worse on themselves in the long run.

Again: Mickey League Soccer = lack of vision. Garber = twat.

No no no. I patently reject this concept that, because we are a small league, we shouldn't dare try to assert ourselves - that we should just lie down and let bigger teams and leagues walk all over us in matters like these.

Beckham had a contract, Los Angeles had an asking price. Milan essentially scoffed at both, and deservedly came out empty handed.

The whole Beckham leaving issue had become a big, embarrassing media circus, and Garber wanted it to end. I salute him completely.

I can't believe you guys see it this way. Milan tried to bully, and take advantage of MLS, and you're mad that MLS decided not to be pushed around?

- Scott

Shakes McQueen
02-14-2009, 09:06 AM
I thought 20 Million US would be fare, and I thought it was offered, reading English and Italian sources. However, who knows as I said the Milan management is not beyoind playing hardball themselves.

I read this in some of the European tabloids too, but L.A. were pretty frank in saying that their $20 million asking price was not met by Milan. Milan clearly balked at Garber's deadline.

- Scott

trane
02-14-2009, 09:15 AM
^ That is my point, why impose a deadline just make a deal. If this whent on for much longer just kill it, but dealines, I was expecting this would be the result. I do not think this is the best for the league.

By the way I do not think Milan tried to bully the MLS, Garber tried to bully Milan, or at least that how it looks after the deadline.

Shakes McQueen
02-14-2009, 09:29 AM
^ That is my point, why impose a deadline just make a deal. If this whent on for much longer just kill it, but dealines, I was expecting this would be the result. I do not think this is the best for the league.

By the way I do not think Milan tried to bully the MLS, Garber tried to bully Milan, or at least that how it looks after the deadline.

Seriously? Beckham goes over on a loan, and within a month, Milan's management are publicly saying to the press that they want to keep him, which essentially started the media circus going.

Then they make an even bigger "fuck you" move to Los Angeles, by placing Beckham on their UEFA Cup roster. Keeping in mind - this is a team/league that did both Beckham and Milan an immense favour, by even consenting to this weird loan deal in the first place.

This had been going on for more than a month, when Garber finally said he'd had enough. I don't see MLS in the wrong here at all.

Garber basically said - "Hey Milan, if you want him, then pay the (completely reasonable) asking price. Stop jerking us around with shitty little offers, and trying to work the media to lessen our bargaining position." Milan didn't, end of discussions.

LA gets their best player back, a little unhappy, but still making them wheelbarrows of money in ticket sales, and jersey sales, and still serving up crosses to Buddle, and (maybe) Landycakes.

Again, it wasn't like this deadline came after a day of negotiating. This bullshit had been going on for over a month, and every day, it made MLS look more and more ridiculous. Can you really blame Garber for wanting the media circus to end?

Furthermore, L.A. are a month away from their opening match. They can't afford to let this nonsense drag on any longer - they have STH's to answer to, and roster planning to do. Do you think their season ticket holders would be happy if this shit dragged on a mere week or two before the season started?

As much as I hate the Galaxy, I actually kind of feel bad for them in all of this. Their entire off-season has been consumed with Donovan/Beckham transfer talk, when both loans were essentially "favours" to the players.

- Scott

Oldtimer
02-14-2009, 10:01 AM
Agree with Scott/Shakes here.

Milan was running over the LAG and MLS. Garber was totally justified in saying "enough!"

Steve
02-14-2009, 10:12 AM
Seriously? Beckham goes over on a loan, and within a month, Milan's management are publicly saying to the press that they want to keep him, which essentially started the media circus going.

Then they make an even bigger "fuck you" move to Los Angeles, by placing Beckham on their UEFA Cup roster. Keeping in mind - this is a team/league that did both Beckham and Milan an immense favour, by even consenting to this weird loan deal in the first place.

This had been going on for more than a month, when Garber finally said he'd had enough. I don't see MLS in the wrong here at all.

Garber basically said - "Hey Milan, if you want him, then pay the (completely reasonable) asking price. Stop jerking us around with shitty little offers, and trying to work the media to lessen our bargaining position." Milan didn't, end of discussions.

LA gets their best player back, a little unhappy, but still making them wheelbarrows of money in ticket sales, and jersey sales, and still serving up crosses to Buddle, and (maybe) Landycakes.

Again, it wasn't like this deadline came after a day of negotiating. This bullshit had been going on for over a month, and every day, it made MLS look more and more ridiculous. Can you really blame Garber for wanting the media circus to end?

Furthermore, L.A. are a month away from their opening match. They can't afford to let this nonsense drag on any longer - they have STH's to answer to, and roster planning to do. Do you think their season ticket holders would be happy if this shit dragged on a mere week or two before the season started?

As much as I hate the Galaxy, I actually kind of feel bad for them in all of this. Their entire off-season has been consumed with Donovan/Beckham transfer talk, when both loans were essentially "favours" to the players.

- Scott

Exactly!

The fact is, Milan should never have gone to the media at all (neither should Beckham). If anything it makes THEM look amateur. If you want a deal, fine, try to make a deal with the league that did you a favour with a loan, but don't drag it out into the media spotlight to try to shame MLS into doing what you want. That was low, AC Milan was trying to throw their weight around because they didn't think MLS deserved any respect. Kudos to Garber though, he put a firm date on it so we could know what was happening with a month to go before the season.

rocker
02-14-2009, 10:52 AM
i think these loans are bullshit and MLS should be careful doing them in the future.
they create too many problems. Just lengthen the season a bit so these whiners can't complain they are on holidays too long.

Nuvinho
02-14-2009, 10:59 AM
Sky Sport Italia report that a deal for Beckham has already been reached and that it will be officially announced before the showdown match with Inter on Sunday night.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1708/ac-milan/2009/02/14/1109057/adriano-galliani-still-confident-of-milans-david-beckham-deal

Beach_Red
02-14-2009, 11:02 AM
Agree with Scott/Shakes here.

Milan was running over the LAG and MLS. Garber was totally justified in saying "enough!"

I agree, too. And Beckham made the biggest negotiating mistake possible, he said he wanted to play in Milan - that upped the price right there.

People have been throwing around numbers from anywhere between $5 million and $20 million, but we really don't know what was actually offered.

Beach_Red
02-14-2009, 11:04 AM
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1708/ac-milan/2009/02/14/1109057/adriano-galliani-still-confident-of-milans-david-beckham-deal


From the article: "They do things with great generosity in America," Galliani told Sky Sport Italia.

I think he may be confusing the way Americans play soccer with the way they run businesses. Has anyone ever called an American businessman "generous?"

koryo
02-14-2009, 11:04 AM
I can't believe you guys see it this way. Milan tried to bully, and take advantage of MLS, and you're mad that MLS decided not to be pushed around?

- Scott

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the matter. :)

forza_tfc
02-14-2009, 11:12 AM
From the article: "They do things with great generosity in America," Galliani told Sky Sport Italia.

So patronizing. I hope MLS keeps the door shut on this deal.

DVS
02-14-2009, 11:34 AM
Yes, I am a huge AC Milan fan (been a fan for as long as I remember living), which means I am conflicted about this situation.

He certainly helped with Milan's success the past few weeks, but I am unhappy about his negative comments about the MLS. It's not rocket science, MLS is no Premiership or Serie A. And who wouldn't love playing with some of the top footballers in the world? Obviously it will elevate his game, but he does come across as a backstabber especially when considering some of the words he used to describe his move to LA -- "... soccer is huge all around the world apart from America, so that's where I want to make a difference with the kids." Going back on those words makes him shallow.

As an MLS fan, I say fuck him. As a Milan fan, I say keep up those crosses to Pato (especially on Sunday's derby).

Just say Becks stays healthy. What would happen to him if Gattuso gets healthy? assuming he stays with AC

BuSaPuNk
02-14-2009, 12:14 PM
No no no. I patently reject this concept that, because we are a small league, we shouldn't dare try to assert ourselves - that we should just lie down and let bigger teams and leagues walk all over us in matters like these.

Beckham had a contract, Los Angeles had an asking price. Milan essentially scoffed at both, and deservedly came out empty handed.

The whole Beckham leaving issue had become a big, embarrassing media circus, and Garber wanted it to end. I salute him completely.

I can't believe you guys see it this way. Milan tried to bully, and take advantage of MLS, and you're mad that MLS decided not to be pushed around?

- Scott

I completely agree with you. I like how Garber stood up to Milan and didn't give into there bullying tactics. This is what other teams in other leauges should look at. The player is signed to a contract....they should honour that contract. The players have too much power to get everything they want.

I know Beckham won't pull that fake injury and sulking shit. He is too professional for that. He will come back play his ass off here to still impress Capello, and after he is done the season here, he'll probably move to Europe.

This is good for the leauge, it's image abroad, and LA.

DVS
02-14-2009, 12:57 PM
I completely agree with you. I like how Garber stood up to Milan and didn't give into there bullying tactics. This is what other teams in other leauges should look at. The player is signed to a contract....they should honour that contract. The players have too much power to get everything they want.

I know Beckham won't pull that fake injury and sulking shit. He is too professional for that. He will come back play his ass off here to still impress Capello, and after he is done the season here, he'll probably move to Europe.

This is good for the leauge, it's image abroad, and LA.

Its a players sport and it has been for a while. Garber is solving nothing holding becks hostage for a year.

There have been players on high level teams that leave in the middle of their contract all the time.

Only if the buyout proposal was really lowballed I understand this course of action but I think the MLS should take the money and run. Besides, MLS is a sellers league anyways

DVS
02-14-2009, 12:58 PM
I completely agree with you. I like how Garber stood up to Milan and didn't give into there bullying tactics. This is what other teams in other leauges should look at. The player is signed to a contract....they should honour that contract. The players have too much power to get everything they want.

I know Beckham won't pull that fake injury and sulking shit. He is too professional for that. He will come back play his ass off here to still impress Capello, and after he is done the season here, he'll probably move to Europe.

This is good for the leauge, it's image abroad, and LA.

Its a players sport and it has been for a while. Garber is solving nothing holding becks hostage for a year.

There have been players on high level teams that leave in the middle of their contract all the time.

Only if the buyout proposal was really lowballed I understand this course of action but I think the MLS should take the money and run. Besides, MLS is a sellers league anyways

jloome
02-14-2009, 01:32 PM
From the article: "They do things with great generosity in America," Galliani told Sky Sport Italia.

I think he may be confusing the way Americans play soccer with the way they run businesses. Has anyone ever called an American businessman "generous?"

To me, it's also nice to see both AC and the media get a shot in the goonies for daring to presume that they're both such bigshots that it amounts to "cannot be denied." I highly, highly doubt the Galaxy would've put out that statement if deal is still possibly going through.

jloome
02-14-2009, 01:34 PM
Its a players sport and it has been for a while. Garber is solving nothing holding becks hostage for a year.

There have been players on high level teams that leave in the middle of their contract all the time.

Only if the buyout proposal was really lowballed I understand this course of action but I think the MLS should take the money and run. Besides, MLS is a sellers league anyways

That's the point DVS, it was really lowballed. Even in just nine months, Beckham will make more money from image, merchandise sales and additional bums in the seats than $6 million. Any business would've done the same.

Beach_Red
02-14-2009, 01:36 PM
Only if the buyout proposal was really lowballed I understand this course of action but I think the MLS should take the money and run. Besides, MLS is a sellers league anyways

Usually our complaint with Garber is that he's only about the money. You can debate how much MLS owners care about soccer, but they know money. There's no reason to think they turned down a good offer and every reason to think they turned down a patronizing offer.

You won't even be a sellers league if you accept offers way below value.

camcamy
02-14-2009, 02:22 PM
Ives is reporting that Milan says the deal is still "very much alive"

shwade
02-14-2009, 05:12 PM
David Beckham and AC Milan remain confident of completing a deal to keep the England international in Italy on a permanent basis, despite Los Angeles Galaxy insisting negotiations were at an end.

Milan are believed to have offered £7 million to turn Beckham's loan deal, which expires on March 9, into a long-term move, but Galaxy and Major League Soccer are holding out for £12 million.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/davidbeckham/4623908/David-Beckham-and-AC-Milan-still-hopeful-of-LA-Galaxy-deal.html

Shakes McQueen
02-14-2009, 05:25 PM
It's hard to know what media reports to trust at this point. There are so many outright falsehoods flying around the football tabloids. when it comes to transfers.

- Scott

sully
02-14-2009, 05:30 PM
MLS should have negotiated with AC Milan for the best deal for both sides. I don't see how this looks good for MLS. If Beckham walks after the end of the season, they get nothing.

I don't quite get your logic here?

MLS doesn't owe AC Milan anything..and if a deal isn't done with Milan then Beckham can walk at the end of the season [as you have said], which is as per the contract agreement he has with LA and MLS.

Who should MLS be looking good for?

Sally Mack
02-14-2009, 07:06 PM
I don't quite get your logic here?

MLS doesn't owe AC Milan anything..and if a deal isn't done with Milan then Beckham can walk at the end of the season [as you have said], which is as per the contract agreement he has with LA and MLS.

Who should MLS be looking good for?
It's really quite simple. They can make some good coin on this transfer, and if Garber blows the opportunity to make a good deal, he will be seen as an idiot.

Shakes McQueen
02-14-2009, 07:08 PM
It's really quite simple. They can make some good coin on this transfer, and if Garber blows the opportunity to make a good deal, he will be seen as an idiot.

Except, as has been said here many times, they stand to make even more off of shirt sales, and gate receipts.

- Scott

Sally Mack
02-14-2009, 07:12 PM
Except, as has been said here many times, they stand to make even more off of shirt sales, and gate receipts.

- Scott
I'm skeptical on that, especially if Becks leaves after this season. If so, finding a number that satisfies both sides is better than setting unrealistic deadlines, no? It was a bully tactic, that's all it was.

Shakes McQueen
02-14-2009, 07:18 PM
Seriously? Beckham goes over on a loan, and within a month, Milan's management are publicly saying to the press that they want to keep him, which essentially started the media circus going.

Then they make an even bigger "fuck you" move to Los Angeles, by placing Beckham on their UEFA Cup roster. Keeping in mind - this is a team/league that did both Beckham and Milan an immense favour, by even consenting to this weird loan deal in the first place.

This had been going on for more than a month, when Garber finally said he'd had enough. I don't see MLS in the wrong here at all.

Garber basically said - "Hey Milan, if you want him, then pay the (completely reasonable) asking price. Stop jerking us around with shitty little offers, and trying to work the media to lessen our bargaining position." Milan didn't, end of discussions.

LA gets their best player back, a little unhappy, but still making them wheelbarrows of money in ticket sales, and jersey sales, and still serving up crosses to Buddle, and (maybe) Landycakes.

Again, it wasn't like this deadline came after a day of negotiating. This bullshit had been going on for over a month, and every day, it made MLS look more and more ridiculous. Can you really blame Garber for wanting the media circus to end?

Furthermore, L.A. are a month away from their opening match. They can't afford to let this nonsense drag on any longer - they have STH's to answer to, and roster planning to do. Do you think their season ticket holders would be happy if this shit dragged on a mere week or two before the season started?

As much as I hate the Galaxy, I actually kind of feel bad for them in all of this. Their entire off-season has been consumed with Donovan/Beckham transfer talk, when both loans were essentially "favours" to the players.

- Scott

I will refer you to this post.

- Scott

sully
02-14-2009, 07:21 PM
It's really quite simple. They can make some good coin on this transfer, and if Garber blows the opportunity to make a good deal, he will be seen as an idiot.

the original point made was that not making a deal with Milan makes the league look bad...and to your point, I would hope that it's LA that determine if Beckham can end his contract early with them or not...and not the Commissioner of the League..

werewolf
02-14-2009, 07:23 PM
Except, as has been said here many times, they stand to make even more off of shirt sales, and gate receipts.

- Scott

That is just speculation.

Toronto_Bhoy
02-14-2009, 07:23 PM
^^Exactly

mighty_torontofc_2008
02-14-2009, 07:29 PM
Fire sale items?

Shakes McQueen
02-14-2009, 07:36 PM
That is just speculation.

No it isn't. L.A.'s revenue during the Beckham era, is out of this world. I seem to remember a story around here a while back, saying that his shirt was either the best, or one of the best selling jerseys in the world.

Far more than the $5 million Milan offered for him, and precisely why LA were demanding at least $20 million for him. He's a marketing cash cow anywhere he goes.

- Scott

werewolf
02-14-2009, 07:36 PM
Beckham has played away games in 5 different cities in his year and a half in MLS. Here are the attendance numbers, the first game followed by the second:

DC - 46,686; 35,979
NY - 66,237; 46,754
Chi.- 21,374; 20,156
Dal.- 22,331; 21,020
SJ - 39,872; 26,071

Dropped in everytime, no reason to think the trend won't continue this season. I bet his jersey sales are down as well.

Shakes McQueen
02-14-2009, 07:39 PM
Beckham has played away games in 5 different cities in his year and a half in MLS. Here are the attendance numbers, the first game followed by the second:

DC - 46,686; 35,979
NY - 66,237; 46,754
Chi.- 21,374; 20,156
Dal.- 22,331; 21,020
SJ - 39,872; 26,071

Dropped in everytime, no reason to think the trend won't continue this season. I bet his jersey sales are down as well.

I have no doubt that attendance is "down" - but attendance being down is not the same as "he doesn't make them wheelbarrows of money anymore".

Compare those numbers, to average attendance at one of their matches against any other team. I can guarantee you RBNY isn't pulling in 46,000 people to a game against San Jose.

- Scott

werewolf
02-14-2009, 07:44 PM
I am saying he is a depreciating asset. He still may draw above average in certain stadiums, but that number also dropped 10-20,000 in the NFL stadiums, and could very well drop again.




Milan are believed to have offered £7 million to turn Beckham's loan deal, which expires on March 9, into a long-term move, but Galaxy and Major League Soccer are holding out for £12 million.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/davidbeckham/4623908/David-Beckham-and-AC-Milan-still-hopeful-of-LA-Galaxy-deal.html




Far more than the $5 million Milan offered for him, and precisely why LA were demanding at least $20 million for him. He's a marketing cash cow anywhere he goes.

- Scott

Those numbers are also both speculation.

jwfm1985
02-14-2009, 07:53 PM
Milan is Berlusconi

Berlusconi is Italy's third richest person, with personal assets worth US $9.4 billion in 2008.

AEG ?

AEG is Phil Anschultz, $7.8 billion in 2008, not a slouch either ;)

Shakes McQueen
02-14-2009, 08:02 PM
I am saying he is a depreciating asset. He still may draw above average in certain stadiums, but that number also dropped 10-20,000 in the NFL stadiums, and could very well drop again.

Those numbers are also both speculation.

No, the $5 million offer was confirmed to be turned down by the club (they issued a statement about it). The 7 million offer is still speculation.

And yes, his value has depreciated - but his overall marketing value to the league is still incredibly high compared to any other player.

Even if somehow attendance at the Galaxy's RBNY match dropped another 10,000 this year, that is still about 20,000 more people than the Energy Drinks will see at any other home game this season. The extra ticket sales alone, make MLS a ton of money. And that's before shirt sales, which may have weakened sales-wise, but are likely still strong overall.

It's also before you add in the TV money MLS gets from having Beckham in the league for another year, the sponsorships, and on and on.

Surely you must think that the cash generated by all of these things combined, is more than $5 million, and probably way more than the $20 million they are asking for him.

- Scott

jwfm1985
02-14-2009, 08:03 PM
^Sorry, just realized my post was already discussed to death

Sally Mack
02-14-2009, 08:06 PM
I also just wanted to state the obvious units of measurement argument here too. 5 million POUNDS has been rumoured, as well as 7 million POUNDS. For simplicity's sake, let's say $10mil and $14 mil respectively in USD. Lets be careful when throwing around numbers, especially when evertyhing is speculation.

They could offer the MLS a billion dollars for all that matters, but I really dont see Garber's reasoning in trying to rush Milan (the same week as the biggest game of the year for them, to boot). To me it seems like Garber made an attempt to force a big team into offering something ridiculous to meet the "deadline".

werewolf
02-14-2009, 08:28 PM
Even if somehow attendance at the Galaxy's RBNY match dropped another 10,000 this year, that is still about 20,000 more people than the Energy Drinks will see at any other home game this season. The extra ticket sales alone, make MLS a ton of money. And that's before shirt sales, which may have weakened sales-wise, but are likely still strong overall.

It's also before you add in the TV money MLS gets from having Beckham in the league for another year, the sponsorships, and on and on.

Surely you must think that the cash generated by all of these things combined, is more than $5 million, and probably way more than the $20 million they are asking for him.

- Scott

He will only play 4 games in NFL stadiums this season, with the dropping numbers, is isn't as much of a jump as before. Certainly not monumental.

TV and sponsorships have to be under contract already with the season about to start.

Where else can they play friendlies? That is a lot of jerseys they will need to sell. As mentioned earlier there are a lot of people in the US that won't really know/care if he is leaving, but there has also been a large portion of his jerseys sold worldwide, people that do pay attention to this.

Not a chance its anywhere near 20 million, dollars or pounds. Whatever the MLS is asking for has to be more then they anticipate to get from his staying and they know that. He was brought here for business, no need to put out a number that doesn't make business sense.

Beach_Red
02-14-2009, 08:39 PM
They could offer the MLS a billion dollars for all that matters, but I really dont see Garber's reasoning in trying to rush Milan (the same week as the biggest game of the year for them, to boot). To me it seems like Garber made an attempt to force a big team into offering something ridiculous to meet the "deadline".

Well, he certainly did what any negotiator would do, he tried to force their hand. Just like they tried to force his.

MLS only look bad if they make a bad deal. No deal is better than a bad deal.

Oldtimer
02-14-2009, 09:17 PM
MLS only look bad if they make a bad deal. No deal is better than a bad deal.

QFT!!!!

DVS
02-14-2009, 09:21 PM
Agreed. Send him out on a two year loan, let him play for AC and in the 2010 WC and then bring him back to LA for another few years.

I agree I'm no where near an AC Milan supporter but put Becks out of his misery. Work out a deal that helps both sides and don't have Becks play in a two bit league when a bonifide European team wants him.

And oh ya beat Inter in the Derby sunday please

MFG1
02-15-2009, 07:06 PM
it's going to be a long , long, summer for the galaxy,

haahahahaha!!
http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2009/02/15/beckham_hurt_milan/