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SweetOwnGoal
02-11-2009, 04:26 PM
Bob McCown, Canada most famous soccer hater, is talking the world's game on PTS tonight at 5 p.m.

Nigel Reed, Craig Forest and the lead singer of Glass Tiger.

Good God, repent. Repent I tell you.

http://www.fan590.com

590am in Toronto

Sportsnet Ontario - channel 22 on Rogers

Super Cereal
02-11-2009, 04:28 PM
Should be... interesting... Wonder if they'll mention the Ottawa bid.

London
02-11-2009, 04:29 PM
nice, thanks!!!

Redcoe15
02-11-2009, 04:30 PM
DAMN YOU, SWEETOWNGOAL! :shakes fist: You beat me to it.

Plenty of Trout
02-11-2009, 04:31 PM
Hey that's great I can watch it.

London
02-11-2009, 04:31 PM
DAMN YOU, SWEETOWNGOAL! :shakes fist: You beat me to it.

your saying 6 to 7, he is saying 5 to 6 ????

mclaren
02-11-2009, 04:31 PM
i can't stand the guy - particularly his obnoxious adverts in the Skydome.

Redcoe15
02-11-2009, 04:33 PM
your saying 6 to 7, he is saying 5 to 6 ????
5 to 6 is one of the owners of the Argos.

Mikey
02-11-2009, 04:35 PM
Yay! Bobo McClown
A turd in sunglasses, that never gets old.....

Phil
02-11-2009, 04:36 PM
I had to stop reading the website when I got to this:

Bob is the host of Prime Time Sports. He was born in Columbus, Ohio

That explains a lot...

:lol:

Gobi
02-11-2009, 04:37 PM
WTF?
What's the douche's agenda? Or did he just hit his head?



Edit: Born in Columbus? LOL! That's delicious!

Phil
02-11-2009, 04:39 PM
The new Columbus banner should be:

Take McCowan back, please!
Willing to trade for butter!

Inklink
02-11-2009, 04:44 PM
The new Columbus banner should be:

Take McCowan back, please!
Willing to trade for butter!

LMAO!

billyfly
02-11-2009, 04:48 PM
I am wearing sack cloth and sprinking ashes over myself.

Gobi
02-11-2009, 04:49 PM
The new Columbus banner should be:

Take McCowan back, please!
Willing to trade for butter!

LOL!!!

The great 'Bobo for Butter' campaign.

Eastend
02-11-2009, 04:50 PM
The new Columbus banner should be:

Take McCowan back, please!
Willing to trade for butter!

not butter, allocation.

Mojo
02-11-2009, 05:05 PM
I refuse to give that clown viewers... someone give a recap after its over? :D

egoodwin
02-11-2009, 05:10 PM
i know where this is going

with Cynamon on the show

that cunt is going to talk about Argos at BMO

egoodwin
02-11-2009, 05:13 PM
Cynamon talking about a stadium
he may not have bought the team had he not had a stadium
they are very focused on getting a stadium

*waits on the cunt to talk about bmo*

and here is the bmo talk...

how happy I am this varsity stadium failed

"MLSE/Peddie advised board not to go forward with project (varsity)"

"at the end of the day, that's not our home" - no fucking shit

city officials promised Cyn. that stadium would not built without argos

Cyn says that as it stands today that it does not fit Argos

Douche: Why on earth would they build a stadium that does not fit the Argos? BECAUSE IT IS A FUCKING SSS

Cyn needs to go whine about his lack of stadium in some hole in hell

dclaro
02-11-2009, 05:19 PM
Looks like its Peddie who kept Argos out of the soon to be built stadium

I want to hear Nigel Reed

egoodwin
02-11-2009, 05:22 PM
should have, would have, fuck you Cynamon

Plenty of Trout
02-11-2009, 05:23 PM
Who cares about the Argos!!!!

Super
02-11-2009, 05:23 PM
http://humor.beecy.net/misc/hellfrozeover/hell-froze-over.jpg

egoodwin
02-11-2009, 05:24 PM
Who cares about the Argos!!!!
when it comes to this Cynamon talking about our BMO and his argos, many

Beach_Red
02-11-2009, 05:26 PM
when it comes to this Cynamon talking about our BMO and his argos, many

McCown says it was "deliberate" that BMO was built with stands in the way of CFL end zones (which are about a mile long) and Cynamon won't comment. Is he a lawyer?

Steve
02-11-2009, 05:27 PM
Haha, Peddie definitely stuck it to the argos with BMO. Sometimes it's nice to have a person like him on your side.

Beach_Red
02-11-2009, 05:28 PM
Haha, Peddie definitely stuck it to the argos with BMO. Sometimes it's nice to have a person like him on your side.

I didn't know the Argo owners had been talking to MLS about a franchise before MLSE got involved. As much as we bitch about MLSE we dodged a bullet there.

egoodwin
02-11-2009, 05:29 PM
i hope this doesn't ignite a media blitz of argos to bmo articles

still talking stadium

is bmo an option?
-had discussions, they offered to expand, down the road, could lead somewhere, still looking for alternate site. in long run CFL needs more intimate stadium, don't get as much revenue as if they would if they had their own

good thing is, they're off the topic and on to the Bills

Jack
02-11-2009, 05:30 PM
McClown is dying to get the Argos into BMO Field.

Not going to happen! :D

nascarguy
02-11-2009, 05:33 PM
someone call

Plenty of Trout
02-11-2009, 05:33 PM
GOD is this program boring.

nascarguy
02-11-2009, 05:34 PM
fuck the cfl

i know how the cfl can make more money get beckham to be the water boy...lol

Jack
02-11-2009, 05:35 PM
This guy just goes on and on...blah blah blah

Beach_Red
02-11-2009, 05:35 PM
Why do people in Toronto think the rest of the CFL care if the Argos are in the league or not? The CFL survived Montreal and Ottawa folding and restarting how many times? Why would be any different if it was Toronto.

But really, the CFL will get smaller and smaller as soccer takes over across the country. It is inevitable.

greatwhitenorf
02-11-2009, 05:35 PM
What a bucket of backwash we're getting on this segment. The Argos used the soccer stadium project as a lever to get a better rental deal out of Rogers for the Skydome.

Now they see TFC's strength only growing and this is all about trying to put a roadblock in the way, diminishing the value of soccer at BMO Field. And here's BumBuddy Bob ready to put all his concerns on a platter and give him a sympathetic hearing.

Hey Bobo. Like sex? Like to travel? Then take a fcukin' hike, pal.

reggie
02-11-2009, 05:36 PM
he should of stayed with the york u project...but they ran like the bush league owners they are....so shut up, and stay at the skydome with your fake crowd noise and your crap football.

greatwhitenorf
02-11-2009, 05:38 PM
This Cynamon guy is quietly shitting cinderblocks. His team is fcuked and he knows it.

McCown: Are you as enthusiastic six years into ownership of Argos.

Cynamon: WAFFLE, WAFFLE, LIE!

Bricktop: Errol, feed 'im to the pigs.

rocktml
02-11-2009, 05:42 PM
Fuck the CFL and Argos! get on with soccer already!

Hitcho
02-11-2009, 05:42 PM
Argos can fuck right off, they had their chance and now

THIS IS OUR HOUSE!!!!!!!

Although that said, I'd be a lot more comfortable with our own dedicated SSS that wasn;t owned by the city...

egoodwin
02-11-2009, 05:49 PM
what's the point of having Forrest and them on the show when he bashes them and the sport?

greatwhitenorf
02-11-2009, 05:49 PM
Bob is so full of crap. Says they only need to stretch the playing field by 20 yards to accomodate CFL. Current pitch is 115 yards long. Then there's a space to the stands that can't be much more than seven yards at each end. So say 130 yards in total.

CFL Field needs 160 yards for full playing surface. Plus they'll want to add a safety margin behind each end zone just like the present set up, so say minimum of five yards at each end. That's minimum 170 yards in total.

They need to stretch BMO Field by AT LEAST 40 yards, which just kills any soccer atmosphere behind the goals.

Flipityflu
02-11-2009, 05:53 PM
you should of heard him yesterday. he thinks that the only way soccer will be successful is if they get rid of the offside rule.

greatwhitenorf
02-11-2009, 05:54 PM
Amazed they can even talk with their tongues wrapped snugly around each others ...























...toes.

H Bomb
02-11-2009, 05:55 PM
I really dont mind that Bobo doesn't dig soccer, that's up to him not me. What does bother me is that he speaks on something while ignorant to it. There's no need for him to do an hour on soccer because that hour wont be filled with information, it'll be filled with his ignorant understand of said information. Again, just don't talk about it if you know nothing of it. It's bad for everyone.

But he's a Columbus Ohio boy, so who'd expect something worthwhile?

Sonny Cheeba
02-11-2009, 06:00 PM
"they have no lives and they like soccer"

what a prick.

tfc
02-11-2009, 06:00 PM
Football is a Canadian sport as it was invented in Canada at UofT. I wholly support the CFL (and the Argo's are one of the oldest, if not the oldest sports teams in North America!), and I think it would be a sad day for sports in Canada should the league die (or the Argo's).




That being said ... No Canadian Football at BMO! ;)

loconet
02-11-2009, 06:00 PM
blah, im going to miss this. right during the US vs Mexico game

Jack
02-11-2009, 06:01 PM
you should of heard him yesterday. he thinks that the only way soccer will be successful is if they get rid of the offside rule.
LOL

What a douchebag he is.

I can't believe I'm listening to his show.

Steve
02-11-2009, 06:01 PM
Guys, he's a character. And I don't mean that in the "that man is quite the character" but in the "Borat is a character". Bob doesn't hate soccer as much as he says, he just plays to a certain demographic. He gets ratings by soccer fans tuning in to be outraged, and "canadian sports traditionalists" tuning in to be have their beliefs justified.

dantdot
02-11-2009, 06:03 PM
blah, im going to miss this. right during the US vs Mexico game

Isn't that game at 7?

Jack
02-11-2009, 06:04 PM
Guys, he's a character. And I don't mean that in the "that man is quite the character" but in the "Borat is a character". Bob doesn't hate soccer as much as he says, he just plays to a certain demographic. He gets ratings by soccer fans tuning in to be outraged, and "canadian sports traditionalists" tuning in to be have their beliefs justified.
I hear you on that. He's a character in the same sense as Don Cherry's HNIC persona.

nascarguy
02-11-2009, 06:07 PM
"they have no lives and they like soccer"

what a prick.What a douchebag

Plenty of Trout
02-11-2009, 06:09 PM
blah, im going to miss this. right during the US vs Mexico game

Where is that game on?

egoodwin
02-11-2009, 06:09 PM
Nigel Reed... voice of TFC... on the CBC, and on the radio

radio?

Inklink
02-11-2009, 06:10 PM
They're on

Nuvinho
02-11-2009, 06:13 PM
doing bios of all the panel

Inklink
02-11-2009, 06:13 PM
Nigel Reed = Illegal alien ! :D

Phil
02-11-2009, 06:14 PM
Nigel Reed... voice of TFC... on the CBC, and on the radio

radio?


Has a radio show on 590

egoodwin
02-11-2009, 06:16 PM
he's why the NASL failed

egoodwin
02-11-2009, 06:17 PM
Has a radio show on 590
i know, I was holding out hope that TFC's getting radio coverage...

Nuvinho
02-11-2009, 06:19 PM
Forrest is not happy with his wife? They had a fight??

That was a funny reference.

hahahaha

SLBuu
02-11-2009, 06:26 PM
why is it that every time i sit down to listen they go to commercial..........FOR 15 MINUTES!!!!!!!

Nuvinho
02-11-2009, 06:26 PM
why is it that every time i sit down to listen they go to commercial..........FOR 15 MINUTES!!!!!!!

20/20 sports break on the radio.

NF-FC
02-11-2009, 06:28 PM
Forrest is not happy with his wife? They had a fight??

That was a funny reference.

hahahaha

he brought it up a couple times too.

NF-FC
02-11-2009, 06:29 PM
i hope they tear into Mitchell and the CSA

nascarguy
02-11-2009, 06:30 PM
i can not wait to hear what they say about beckham

egoodwin
02-11-2009, 06:33 PM
this guy's got some points though...

loconet
02-11-2009, 06:35 PM
Where is that game on?

ESPN2 and Univision are supposed to show it..

Phil
02-11-2009, 06:35 PM
He isn't a train wreck on this interview.

mighty_torontofc_2008
02-11-2009, 06:37 PM
Who cares about the Argos!!!!


shush the argos cheerleaders need a home....

Plenty of Trout
02-11-2009, 06:37 PM
ESPN2 and Univision are supposed to show it..


Thanks.

Wouldn't know where to go in the Newmarket area to get either channel.

I will see if I can stream it on-line.

Inklink
02-11-2009, 06:37 PM
You tell him Craig!!

RPLProducer
02-11-2009, 06:38 PM
He isn't a train wreck on this interview.

True.

Phil
02-11-2009, 06:38 PM
Well he just answered why we don't want the Argos in there.... Its not that we hate the CFL, its just that with turf and lines on the pitch, the product will become un-appealing and the play will not improve.

I wonder if a guy like him can see past his own nose?

Nuvinho
02-11-2009, 06:38 PM
They should bring up the U-20 World Cup in 2007.....wasn't it the most successful one??

RPLProducer
02-11-2009, 06:38 PM
Great job Forrest... Some good points...

mighty_torontofc_2008
02-11-2009, 06:38 PM
[quote=nascarguy;370437]What a douchebag[/quote

no douchebags have a purpose??

RPLProducer
02-11-2009, 06:42 PM
Give'em hell Nigel!

RPLProducer
02-11-2009, 06:43 PM
Alan Frew is talking shit about the atmosphere at Leafs games... gotta love it...

loconet
02-11-2009, 06:43 PM
It's so hard to understand how people just don't get it. Fuck.

Did he just compare soccer to lacrosse?

Nuvinho
02-11-2009, 06:45 PM
They are talking about GRASS!!!

egoodwin
02-11-2009, 06:45 PM
YES it is!

good topic there!

grass + no lines for sure!

MLSE needs to listen to this man with regards to this!

RPLProducer
02-11-2009, 06:46 PM
It's not just about the party McClown... If you hated ballet, would you go every week if it was a "party"?

Nuvinho
02-11-2009, 06:46 PM
and NO FOOTBALL LINES

Phil
02-11-2009, 06:48 PM
He gets the last shot when he is the host... that was a douchebag move.

"Maybe MLS&E can build a new stadium for the other sports with all the money they are sucking out of the stadium"

Funny how the city/province own it.

MLS&E make money on TFC.

Steve
02-11-2009, 06:48 PM
Bob has, frankly, been fine during this interview. He has even been bringing up valid points. I mean, can everyone here honestly tell me you aren't a little bit afraid that TFC is just "in" right now, and people are coming for the party? Everyone has seen "that guy" who just comes to get smashed and throw shit. Personally, I don't think that's the case (I think most season ticket holders are there for the game) but his point isn't completely off the mark.

Super
02-11-2009, 06:48 PM
I see McCown's point in that the MLS is a second rate product, and that it looks even worse when you compare the competition in town with the best Hockey, Baseball and Basketball in the world. But what he doesn't understand is the passion we all share for football. That's where he just doesn't get it.

egoodwin
02-11-2009, 06:50 PM
damn right Bob, blast the fuck out of the CSA!

mighty_torontofc_2008
02-11-2009, 06:51 PM
Alan Frew is talking shit about the atmosphere at Leafs games... gotta love it...

hes right, the ACC will never be like Maple Leaf Gardens, i seen Boston and Detroit play there in the early 70s and LA in the Early 80's and
it had the fans into it...now the ACC is just a multi purpose stadium

loconet
02-11-2009, 06:51 PM
size of the country blah blah.

Brazil is big, Russia is big, USA is big, Australia is big. Stop with the size bullshit.

RPLProducer
02-11-2009, 06:52 PM
He's been off the mark with everything except for the poor level of play comment.

Sonny Cheeba
02-11-2009, 06:52 PM
the kids go to holland

greatwhitenorf
02-11-2009, 06:52 PM
Nigel Reed, soccer God! The voice of reason and a Spurs fan. Might have to name a child after him.

egoodwin
02-11-2009, 06:53 PM
wtf Forrest...

Sonny Cheeba
02-11-2009, 06:55 PM
alan frew's hilarious.....

Inklink
02-11-2009, 07:01 PM
In other news, Craig Forrest gets nose bleeds when he's surprised.

SLBuu
02-11-2009, 07:02 PM
^^^ Lmao!!!!!!!!!

egoodwin
02-11-2009, 07:02 PM
for what it's worth, it was worth watching.

Super
02-11-2009, 07:03 PM
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/images/ency/fullsize/8897.jpg

AL-MO
02-11-2009, 07:13 PM
He gets the last shot when he is the host... that was a douchebag move.

"Maybe MLS&E can build a new stadium for the other sports with all the money they are sucking out of the stadium"

Funny how the city/province own it.

MLS&E make money on TFC.

Is he really that far off?

MLSE/TFC received a gift from the various levels of government. There is no argument against that.

CoachGT
02-11-2009, 07:22 PM
I thought it was pretty good myself!

mighty_torontofc_2008
02-11-2009, 07:30 PM
Is he really that far off?

MLSE/TFC received a gift from the various levels of government. There is no argument against that.


Toronto is trying for the commonwealth games or pan am games, so let the argos move to that stadium if Toronto's bid is successful??

egoodwin
02-11-2009, 07:32 PM
and maybe this lacrosse team can join them, since I'm sure the Argos need the $ more than MLSE

Dirk Diggler
02-11-2009, 07:39 PM
and maybe this lacrosse team can join them, since I'm sure the Argos need the $ more than MLSE

Wouldn't the money go to the city if the lacrosse team decides to play at BMO?

AL-MO
02-11-2009, 07:41 PM
Toronto is trying for the commonwealth games or pan am games, so let the argos move to that stadium if Toronto's bid is successful??

Fine by me, but what does that have to do with what I posted?

The Oz
02-11-2009, 07:42 PM
Bob has, frankly, been fine during this interview. He has even been bringing up valid points. I mean, can everyone here honestly tell me you aren't a little bit afraid that TFC is just "in" right now, and people are coming for the party? Everyone has seen "that guy" who just comes to get smashed and throw shit. Personally, I don't think that's the case (I think most season ticket holders are there for the game) but his point isn't completely off the mark.

Well, I'm sure that for all the people like that who eventually stop buying seasons tickets, they're will be enough on the waiting list who care more, chant more, and will make more of a presence (Like myself:D) .

mighty_torontofc_2008
02-11-2009, 07:52 PM
Fine by me, but what does that have to do with what I posted?


Yes MLSE/TFC did get government funding, but so did skydome, a hell of a lot more...Im sure if Toronto got the olympics governemt funding would
be available..If the Argos want government funding let them go after it..

BakaGaijin
02-11-2009, 08:00 PM
In other news, Craig Forrest gets nose bleeds when he's surprised.


I think he's just sukebi........

Cambridge_Red
02-11-2009, 08:18 PM
I think he's just sukebi........

LOL you might be onto something there.

BakaGaijin
02-11-2009, 08:28 PM
LOL you might be onto something there.

I'm glad someone got that :)

bignickel
02-11-2009, 08:37 PM
Bob has, frankly, been fine during this interview. He has even been bringing up valid points. I mean, can everyone here honestly tell me you aren't a little bit afraid that TFC is just "in" right now, and people are coming for the party? Everyone has seen "that guy" who just comes to get smashed and throw shit. Personally, I don't think that's the case (I think most season ticket holders are there for the game) but his point isn't completely off the mark.

Actually, seasons tickets were sold out before the first beer was even served at bmo. i think the city was waiting for the soccer, the party only became the encore!

Redcoe15
02-11-2009, 08:48 PM
Bob has, frankly, been fine during this interview. He has even been bringing up valid points. I mean, can everyone here honestly tell me you aren't a little bit afraid that TFC is just "in" right now, and people are coming for the party? Everyone has seen "that guy" who just comes to get smashed and throw shit. Personally, I don't think that's the case (I think most season ticket holders are there for the game) but his point isn't completely off the mark.
With the waiting list for season tickets, I doubt that TFC is an "in" thing at this point in time.

Well Bobo didn't try to steamroll over the guests, and I thought Nigel was brilliant making his points well know. But come tomorrow, Bobo will try and spin this as if he was right about soccer and that he had pwned the others, particularily if some douchebag soccer hater calls him tomorrow.

Antoshka
02-11-2009, 09:52 PM
is there an archive of this?

dantdot
02-11-2009, 10:00 PM
is there an archive of this?

The RSS feed on the site is screwed up for me but here it is

http://qml.quiettouch.com/files/audio/podcasts/fan590/pts/pts_2009-02-11.mp3

billyfly
02-11-2009, 10:03 PM
All of BC's points are valid. What we can argue about is his answers or feelings about the points.

Shakes McQueen
02-11-2009, 10:18 PM
I like Prime Time Sports, and I don't mind McCown.

He thinks MLS is bad soccer, and he finds the sport itself to be a bit boring. I can understand where he is coming from. But he also readily admits that he appreciates the skill of the game at it's highest levels, and will tuns in for matches like the World Cup final.

He also plays up his "anti-soccer" persona to the hilt, but as Craig noted - he clearly likes the sport a bit more than he lets on. The big tell for me, was that he name-dropped Johann Cruyff, had no problem pronouncing his name properly, and seemed to know quite a bit about Toronto's soccer history, and the NASL.

I thought this was a good hour of soccer talk. I wish he would do it more often, as it was a fun, and often funny, discussion.

People need to understand that Bob is paid to be a sports radio personality - which means having strong, often controversial opinions on pretty much everything. He plays to a certain crowd, and is a success because of it.

- Scott

AL-MO
02-11-2009, 10:22 PM
I like Prime Time Sports, and I don't mind McCown.

He thinks MLS is bad soccer, and he finds the sport itself to be a bit boring. I can understand where he is coming from. But he also readily admits that he appreciates the skill of the game at it's highest levels, and will tuns in for matches like the World Cup final.

He also plays up his "anti-soccer" persona to the hilt, but as Craig noted - he clearly likes the sport a bit more than he lets on. The big tell for me, was that he name-dropped Johann Cruyff, had no problem pronouncing his name properly, and seemed to know quite a bit about Toronto's soccer history, and the NASL.

I thought this was a good hour of soccer talk. I wish he would do it more often, as it was a fun, and often funny, discussion.

People need to understand that Bob is paid to be a sports radio personality - which means having strong, often controversial opinions on pretty much everything. He plays to a certain crowd, and is a success because of it.

- Scott

Yeah he pretty much explained that at the beginning.

Redcoe15
02-11-2009, 10:29 PM
Hey, I listen to Prime Time Sports alot. And I don't mind most of the stuff the host says. But he can make the show interesting and intelligent without pulling all this shock jock shit that he does on occasion.

And I can respect that he doesn't like soccer. But he seems to go out of his way to promote the idea that soccer sucks and that everyone shouldn't follow it. That I don't respect him for.

greatwhitenorf
02-11-2009, 11:28 PM
He certainly played nice with the soccer kids today. But I consider his negative position on the game to be irretrievable. He publicly dropped soccer down the well ages ago and I think he's just cozying up so he can facilitate future dialogue about getting his buddies' Argos team into BMO. The chat with David Cynamon in the hour before the soccer round table revealed that.

For some reason, there's a lot of people who have a weird need to have Bob like soccer and would be delighted to hear him speak positively about the game. We should remember that the stadium was built despite his loud disapproval, the team was formed without his blessing or support and professional soccer will soon become a very strong part of the sporting scene, here and in other key cities, despite his skepticism and sarcasm.

twistedchinaman
02-11-2009, 11:32 PM
not butter, allocation.

Allocation for what? :D

Antoshka
02-11-2009, 11:48 PM
is there an archive of this?

gracie

Cashcleaner
02-12-2009, 12:12 AM
He gets the last shot when he is the host... that was a douchebag move.

"Maybe MLS&E can build a new stadium for the other sports with all the money they are sucking out of the stadium"

Funny how the city/province own it.

MLS&E make money on TFC.

Well, yes and no. MLSE operates the facility and if any more teams were booked to play there, they stand to make a lot of money from service fees.

nascarguy
02-12-2009, 12:16 AM
Actually, seasons tickets were sold out before the first beer was even served at bmo. i think the city was waiting for the soccer, the party only became the encore!yeah


Toronto is trying for the commonwealth games or pan am games, so let the argos move to that stadium if Toronto's bid is successful??
I think hamilton is apart of that bid the tiger cats are looking to the gov for money for a new place that would used for the game's

ccopela
02-12-2009, 12:21 AM
yeah


I think hamilton is apart of that bid the tiger cats are looking to the gov for money for a new place that would used for the game's

No new CFL size stadium is being built for the Pan Am Games bid as of yet. They plan to use BMO and Skydome as well as smaller stadiums for track and field (varsity)

gmacpheetfc
02-12-2009, 12:26 AM
http://www.fan590.com/onair/primetimesports/

nascarguy
02-12-2009, 12:28 AM
No new CFL size stadium is being built for the Pan Am Games bid as of yet. They plan to use BMO and Skydome as well as smaller stadiums for track and field (varsity)

see the tiger cats said they are paying for haft so they just need a to find the money for the there haft . The Argos want the place for free

Troll
02-12-2009, 12:30 AM
You know how I know you're from Hamilton?



HAFT.

Toronto Ruffrider
02-12-2009, 12:44 AM
Is he really that far off?

MLSE/TFC received a gift from the various levels of government. There is no argument against that.

I view the construction of BMO Field as a public-private partnership. While most of the funding for BMO came from taxpayers, MLSE kicked in some money as well. Where there's risk there's reward, and MLSE deserves to get a return on its investment.

On the other hand, the Argos brought nothing to the table with regard to BMO. Cynamon and Sokolowski got exactly what they put into BMO, which was zilch.

RPLProducer
02-12-2009, 01:14 AM
This is being shown on sportsnet right now

Whoop
02-12-2009, 01:28 AM
I really dont mind that Bobo doesn't dig soccer, that's up to him not me. What does bother me is that he speaks on something while ignorant to it. There's no need for him to do an hour on soccer because that hour wont be filled with information, it'll be filled with his ignorant understand of said information. Again, just don't talk about it if you know nothing of it. It's bad for everyone.

But he's a Columbus Ohio boy, so who'd expect something worthwhile?

Touche. I listen to Prime Time Sports often and there are some topics that when he speaks I want to wring his neck.

Having said that I thought the segment went well.

nascarguy
02-12-2009, 01:36 AM
This is being shown on sportsnet right now
yeah it's the east ch

James17930
02-12-2009, 01:51 AM
Yes -- thanks for the link to the archive -- listening right now.

THA BUTCHA
02-12-2009, 06:14 AM
I think Bobcat did a great job during the roundtable. He asked all the right questions and brought up many great points.

Kudos BOBCAT.

ilikemusic
02-12-2009, 11:01 AM
Ive been a big fan of McCown for a long time now. It was definitely great to listen to the podcast and it be just a full show on soccer as it relates to Toronto and Canada. The Footy Show and WSD are great, but sometimes they get a little too caught up in the Premiership for my liking and TFC/MLS always ends up taking a real back seat (unless theyre talking about Beck-ham).

I hope, like Bob said at the end, that they can do that again sometime. Bob kept saying on Tuesday that he was going to ask why the dont just remove offside. Thankfully I suppose someone cleared it up to him so he didnt even bother bringing it up.

The people who seem to despise McCown for the things he says need to give their heads a shake. Hes a radio personality trying to get ratings and i'll bet hes found that there is little out there that will get as much attention as harping on soccer.

Though it is interesting that his 'stance' on Toronto FC seems to have shifted significantly. He was all but certain the team would flop, then he was certain the hype would die down, now he seems almost resigned to the fact that Toronto FC has become one of this city's teams.

His comparisons to the Toronto Rock's early successes were way off the mark though. Maybe its just that im not a lacrosse fan so maybe im the one who is way off the mark here but in my view the Rock were never at the level TFC is at, and even if they were close, it was only because they were a powerhouse in the league.

Gobi
02-12-2009, 11:06 AM
He was surprisingly fair and balanced.
Mind you, he was out-numbered and couldn't get away with being a total douche when he initiated the discussion in the first place, but I was pleasantly surprised by his line of questioning and lack of snarky remarks.

(I did miss about 20 minutes from about 6:30-6:50, though.)

Phil
02-12-2009, 11:11 AM
It was a bit refreshing to hear his shift but I can't blame people for being skeptical or critical of him because he has a long history of being an ass about soccer.

I know its a show but it is still no less frustrating if you hear the kind of rhetoric that he has been promoting for a long time now.

I wouldn't mind hearing more from him if he has half decent interviews like this in the future.

Phil
02-12-2009, 11:13 AM
Well, yes and no. MLSE operates the facility and if any more teams were booked to play there, they stand to make a lot of money from service fees.


Fair enough but Bob was commenting on the usage of the facility as a domed entity and I am not 100% sure if MLS&E make any cash doing that. The city set the rate and run that end of things from what I have heard.

Agreed on the operations on larger events but McCowan didn't go there with his statement IMO.

Beach_Red
02-12-2009, 11:17 AM
His comparisons to the Toronto Rock's early successes were way off the mark though. Maybe its just that im not a lacrosse fan so maybe im the one who is way off the mark here but in my view the Rock were never at the level TFC is at, and even if they were close, it was only because they were a powerhouse in the league.

Yes, that may be true and also there's the difference between lacrosse and soccer worldwide.

McCown may be coming around to the fact that soccer isn't a "fad" in the world and that it won't be a fad here either.

Parkdale
02-12-2009, 11:18 AM
looking for a stream....

*edit: found it.

Fort York Redcoat
02-12-2009, 11:23 AM
Ive been a big fan of McCown for a long time now. It was definitely great to listen to the podcast and it be just a full show on soccer as it relates to Toronto and Canada. The Footy Show and WSD are great, but sometimes they get a little too caught up in the Premiership for my liking and TFC/MLS always ends up taking a real back seat (unless theyre talking about Beck-ham).

I hope, like Bob said at the end, that they can do that again sometime. Bob kept saying on Tuesday that he was going to ask why the dont just remove offside. Thankfully I suppose someone cleared it up to him so he didnt even bother bringing it up.

The people who seem to despise McCown for the things he says need to give their heads a shake. Hes a radio personality trying to get ratings and i'll bet hes found that there is little out there that will get as much attention as harping on soccer.

Though it is interesting that his 'stance' on Toronto FC seems to have shifted significantly. He was all but certain the team would flop, then he was certain the hype would die down, now he seems almost resigned to the fact that Toronto FC has become one of this city's teams.

His comparisons to the Toronto Rock's early successes were way off the mark though. Maybe its just that im not a lacrosse fan so maybe im the one who is way off the mark here but in my view the Rock were never at the level TFC is at, and even if they were close, it was only because they were a powerhouse in the league.

Ilike, I love to get your opinion on this kind of thing since you're on these boards but in the minority in not having a foreign team first (from what I assume).

As for the Rock that was a quite an initial team they had with a lot of the best talent coming home. The difference is obviously that Lacrosse is a western sport and it's longevity will be decided here alone. The soccer community have other cultures who are mad for the highest quality they can get regularly plus all the people just checking out something new. The other big plus is the discovery factor of an entire generation of kids of those people previously mentioned that, although they may look at the league as a joke, the kids will see it as a real possibility to keep playing professionally.

Beach_Red
02-12-2009, 11:43 AM
Ilike, I love to get your opinion on this kind of thing since you're on these boards but in the minority in not having a foreign team first (from what I assume).

As for the Rock that was a quite an initial team they had with a lot of the best talent coming home. The difference is obviously that Lacrosse is a western sport and it's longevity will be decided here alone. The soccer community have other cultures who are mad for the highest quality they can get regularly plus all the people just checking out something new. The other big plus is the discovery factor of an entire generation of kids of those people previously mentioned that, although they may look at the league as a joke, the kids will see it as a real possibility to keep playing professionally.

I also have no foreign team first (or second or third or... ;)) and I'd saythat not having a team here kept me from getting too interested in soccer.

That may also be true for the next generation as you say - it's not just a chance for them to see it as a possibility to keep playing professionally, but a chance to follow a local team.

ilikemusic
02-12-2009, 12:01 PM
Ilike, I love to get your opinion on this kind of thing since you're on these boards but in the minority in not having a foreign team first (from what I assume).

Ya, I love following the whole of Europe (as thats where the best in the world are playing) but I dont really have a European allegiance. Im Irish-Catholic, so by default I like Celtic, but my dad was never big on Celtic. He liked soccer (and thats where I got my love for it), but he came from Galway and professional soccer wasnt that big to him, or the region. He was much bigger into the hurling than he ever was into soccer. So as I say, I'll cheer for Celtic, if theyre playing in Europe, theyre my team, but I could hardly care less about the Scottish Premiership and which of Rangers or Celtic is going to win it in any given year. But my 'allegiance' to Celtic isnt much of anything beyond a 'hey how are they doing?'.

Im also hugely averse to jumping on a bandwagon. Even a bandwagon of a shitty team. It doesnt bother me to watch the Premiership every week as a competely nuetral observer. Its great football and thats all im really interested in.

TFC is far and away my first, and pretty well my only club team. Though, if you do follow my posts, youll know im more than a little cynical about this league. I hope it succeeds and I hope it grows, but it doesnt bother me to hear the league (or even TFC) gets slammed by ignorant media types. Stereotypes and perceptions exist for a reason.

Im slightly torn between my Irish and Canadian allegiances when it comes to international competition, but thankfully, the chances they ever play each other in meaningful competition is only slightly greater than nil.

As my sig would dictate though (hey, wheres my sig?), TFC just falls into the standard sporting spectrum to me (which might also explain why im not big into the supporter culture developing here, not that there is anything wrong with it). I have loved soccer and hockey since I was old enough to know what sports were (5 or 6). Im a part of the second generation immigrants who are turning soccer into one of this city's primary passions.

It may take the older folks in the media some time to catch on, but they will. And they should not be begrudged for not understanding why the game is getting so big. It was never a 'real' part of their sports landscape while growing up. Bob mentioned small teams who worked for and even commentated on, but the cultural landscape of NA (and Toronto in particular) is nothing like it was in the 70s when the NASL was bringing in Pele and Beckenbauer to be side shows.

pank
02-12-2009, 12:13 PM
I'm a big fan of the sport of lacrosse, but it is a niche sport, and only popular in certain cities in North America.

Soccer is a worldwide game, and with Toronto being such a diverse and passionate city, it is obvious that TFC will continue to be popular and grow in terms of its fan base.

Parkdale
02-12-2009, 12:21 PM
Just listened to the full show and I've got more respect for the guy after.
He's in the business of being controversial, because that's what advertisers want.

SweetOwnGoal
02-12-2009, 12:56 PM
Just listened to the full show and I've got more respect for the guy after.
He's in the business of being controversial, because that's what advertisers want.

McCown can be a really good journalist when he puts his mind to it. I'm surprised it took him this long to have yesterday's show because I would imagine he legitimately is fascinated by TFC's success. He's a big "business of sport" guy and TFC *is* a fascinating sports business story.

Anyone that listens to his soccer comments even half seriously can tell that they have evolved into a sort of inside joke. The man simply doesn't care for the game and he plays that up occasionally (very occasionally) because he's known as the "soccer hater."

For the record, I'm a big fan of PTS. If you are a sports fan and you are tuning him out because you don't like his stance on soccer you're missing out. At it's best PTS is unmatched in the genre. Just that fact that he rarely interviews players because he realizes that they have nothing to say says a lot about his understanding of sports journalism. And when Brunt is on it can be spectacular radio (McCown and Brunt are a perfect pair - McCown plays the thinking cynic, Brunt the thinking romantic).

Although I follow the CFL a bit, they do pay it more attention than its popularity likely demands. But, I'll give him that because it proves that he can still be a fan. The CFL is his niche love. He uses his platform to promote it. You know damn well if any of us were to host a general sport radio program we'd be getting some TFC pieces in from time to time even though it still is on the margins outside of our little sub-culture.

So, yeah....listen to the podcast if you haven't already. It was entertaining.

Fort York Redcoat
02-12-2009, 01:24 PM
As mentioned above, I think that soccer and specifically MLS will be competing for kids with the CFL. In the long term many will see the limits of a one nation sport. I love the fact that we've had a sport we've started from scratch but I think the CFL will be in a state of consolidation soon enough. I don't see where new fans will be coming from.

ilikemusic
02-12-2009, 01:39 PM
McCown can be a really good journalist when he puts his mind to it. I'm surprised it took him this long to have yesterday's show because I would imagine he legitimately is fascinated by TFC's success. He's a big "business of sport" guy and TFC *is* a fascinating sports business story.

Anyone that listens to his soccer comments even half seriously can tell that they have evolved into a sort of inside joke. The man simply doesn't care for the game and he plays that up occasionally (very occasionally) because he's known as the "soccer hater."

For the record, I'm a big fan of PTS. If you are a sports fan and you are tuning him out because you don't like his stance on soccer you're missing out. At it's best PTS is unmatched in the genre. Just that fact that he rarely interviews players because he realizes that they have nothing to say says a lot about his understanding of sports journalism. And when Brunt is on it can be spectacular radio (McCown and Brunt are a perfect pair - McCown plays the thinking cynic, Brunt the thinking romantic).

Although I follow the CFL a bit, they do pay it more attention than its popularity likely demands. But, I'll give him that because it proves that he can still be a fan. The CFL is his niche love. He uses his platform to promote it. You know damn well if any of us were to host a general sport radio program we'd be getting some TFC pieces in from time to time even though it still is on the margins outside of our little sub-culture.

So, yeah....listen to the podcast if you haven't already. It was entertaining.

Dead on. I love listening to PTS. Every day when I update my iPod it is the first podcast I listen to. You touched on all the right points as well, his disdain for interviewing players, his chemistry with Brunt, his fascination with the business of sports. McCown's show is one of, if not the best sports talk show in the business. People tuning out because of his anti-soccer shtick are missing out.


As mentioned above, I think that soccer and specifically MLS will be competing for kids with the CFL. In the long term many will see the limits of a one nation sport. I love the fact that we've had a sport we've started from scratch but I think the CFL will be in a state of consolidation soon enough. I don't see where new fans will be coming from.

I like the CFL in a sentimental 'aint it nice that we have this' kind of way, but im just not a fan. I will watch the Grey Cup, but beyond that, the league means almost nothing to me. I dont 'hate' the CFL and I dont want it to go away, I just dont care about it. And I think a large part of people in my demographic are in the same boat.

I grew up with the Pinball, Flutie and the Argo's actually winning championships and even still, I have never gotten excited about the CFL.

Hitcho
02-12-2009, 01:45 PM
The interesting thing will be how he reacts when TFC win the MLS Cup. GIven that all of the city's other spoerts teams suck, will he bask in the glory or dismiss it as a nothing event in a nothign sport and not give it much mention? if the leafs were winning he'd find that easy to do. with no-one else winning at all, to the point that sports journos are makig a story just out of the lack of winning all round, he'll find it harder pan any success TFC has.

Of course, we have to win the thing first!!! :D

Fort York Redcoat
02-12-2009, 01:49 PM
It's becoming so foreign to me to think of popularity of a team on their performance. This city is a prime example of the opposite. Winning it all is great, ecstacy but to expect it to get to a game or to garner any interest? It's just weird now.

ilikemusic
02-12-2009, 02:13 PM
It's becoming so foreign to me to think of popularity of a team on their performance. This city is a prime example of the opposite. Winning it all is great, ecstacy but to expect it to get to a game or to garner any interest? It's just weird now.

Winning is the worst excuse to support something on the planet. Sports has winners and losers. If everybody decided who they supported based on who was winning then sports as it exists would be completely meaningless. If youre only gonna cheer for winners then go cheer for the Harlem Globetrotters, or go follow the WWE because in my view, sports isnt all about winning.

Yes, you want to win, the goal is to win, but for winners to exist, losers must exist. For winning to mean anything, losing must be accepted as a part of that dichotomy.

I choose my teams based on nationality, ethnicity, regionalism or some other equally abstract concept of self-identification.

Winning leads to fan support is the same stupid argument we hear from Bettman when he wants to push hockey into Phoenix and Florida.

People either like the team/sport or they dont. Winning wont change that. Like I said about the Argos, they could win the Grey Cup every year, it wont change my emotions about the game they play.

CoachGT
02-12-2009, 02:15 PM
The interesting thing will be how he reacts when TFC win the MLS Cup. GIven that all of the city's other spoerts teams suck, will he bask in the glory or dismiss it as a nothing event in a nothign sport and not give it much mention? if the leafs were winning he'd find that easy to do. with no-one else winning at all, to the point that sports journos are makig a story just out of the lack of winning all round, he'll find it harder pan any success TFC has.

Of course, we have to win the thing first!!! :D

Also interesting would be his reaction to coming to a game. He goes on about Leaf fans being more organized (nothing will happen unless Leaf fans stop spending their money on an inferior product) but nothing ever happens and he knows it. The degree and sophistication of TFC supporters (not fans) provide the exact level of commitment and organization that he seems to want in other sports. While he expressed his opinion about the "experience" yesterday, that experience is premised not on a love of a party (which there is from just about anybody) but on the love of the sport as well. Unfortunately I didn't think that came across as well as it could have in the discussion.

I think the anti-soccer stuff is just an act, as Craig Forrest suggested at the end.

Bobo
02-12-2009, 03:40 PM
Why do people in Toronto think the rest of the CFL care if the Argos are in the league or not? The CFL survived Montreal and Ottawa folding and restarting how many times? Why would be any different if it was Toronto.


If that was true, we'd have an NFL team by now.

Beach_Red
02-12-2009, 03:47 PM
If that was true, we'd have an NFL team by now.


Toronto doesn't have an NFL team for the same reasn LA doesn't have an NFL team - no ownership willing to put up the money. Rogers is looking for a cheap back door with the Bills but it won't work.

Beach_Red
02-12-2009, 03:50 PM
Winning is the worst excuse to support something on the planet. Sports has winners and losers. If everybody decided who they supported based on who was winning then sports as it exists would be completely meaningless. If youre only gonna cheer for winners then go cheer for the Harlem Globetrotters, or go follow the WWE because in my view, sports isnt all about winning.

Yes, you want to win, the goal is to win, but for winners to exist, losers must exist. For winning to mean anything, losing must be accepted as a part of that dichotomy.

I choose my teams based on nationality, ethnicity, regionalism or some other equally abstract concept of self-identification.

Winning leads to fan support is the same stupid argument we hear from Bettman when he wants to push hockey into Phoenix and Florida.

People either like the team/sport or they dont. Winning wont change that. Like I said about the Argos, they could win the Grey Cup every year, it wont change my emotions about the game they play.


Very well said.

Bobo
02-12-2009, 03:52 PM
Toronto doesn't have an NFL team for the same reasn LA doesn't have an NFL team - no ownership willing to put up the money. Rogers is looking for a cheap back door with the Bills but it won't work.

But LA had NFL teams so we're not necessarily in the same boat. I don't know, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to hear antitrust legislation talk should the city get closer to a franchise.

Blazer
02-12-2009, 04:01 PM
The interesting thing will be how he reacts when TFC win the MLS Cup. GIven that all of the city's other spoerts teams suck, will he bask in the glory or dismiss it as a nothing event in a nothign sport and not give it much mention? if the leafs were winning he'd find that easy to do. with no-one else winning at all, to the point that sports journos are makig a story just out of the lack of winning all round, he'll find it harder pan any success TFC has.

Of course, we have to win the thing first!!! :D

Not sure how much of Bob you know of but his reaction to an MLS cup in this city will be virtually unchanged to what his reaction is of the team now. He dislikes soccer, not TFC. Bob will never bask in the glory of a championship in this city, in any of our sports. He maintains that he is not a fan of teams rather a fan of the sport in which they play. He admires the game of basketball for example and is well versed in the intricacies of the game, but he has no allegiance to any NBA team including the Raptors. I would put all of my money on a non-reaction or non “glory basking” from McCown. He does care one way or the other. His passion is the business of sports because he can offer his opinions when being a mere fan he can't. I wouldn't want him as a fan of a local team anyway - I like his unbiased and often insultive views. They’re refreshing, unlike Mike Wilner’s homer redundancy.

Beach_Red
02-12-2009, 04:01 PM
But LA had NFL teams so we're not necessarily in the same boat. I don't know, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to hear antitrust legislation talk should the city get closer to a franchise.

It's not "the city" that will get a franchise, it's an owner.

The NFL has made it clear that's all it takes. Teams left Houston and Baltimore and Cleveland and new ones went in because owners were willing to put up the money - in Houston's case it was over $700 million (makes MLS $40 million look like a good deal, doesn't it) and the talk now is that a new NFL team will go for a billion.

If an owner in Toronto were willing to write the cheque, they'd get the team tomorrow. Same with LA.

Bobo
02-12-2009, 04:21 PM
It's not "the city" that will get a franchise, it's an owner.

The NFL has made it clear that's all it takes. Teams left Houston and Baltimore and Cleveland and new ones went in because owners were willing to put up the money - in Houston's case it was over $700 million (makes MLS $40 million look like a good deal, doesn't it) and the talk now is that a new NFL team will go for a billion.

If an owner in Toronto were willing to write the cheque, they'd get the team tomorrow. Same with LA.

With the CFL just standing by?

Beach_Red
02-12-2009, 04:51 PM
With the CFL just standing by?

Yes. It would be kind of like the cities that have both NHL and AHL teams - Philadelphia, Chicago, doesn't Detroit?

Of course, I remember when the World Football League started and Toronto was supposed to have the Northmen but the federal government stepped in and the team became the Memphis Southmen, I think. But it's hard to imagine any level of government stepping in now - they don't have any problem with the Bills playing home games here.

Really, no matter what Rogers says publicly, the only thing stopping an NFL team from coming to Toronto is a cheque for a billion dollars.

Bobo
02-12-2009, 04:53 PM
Keep in mind though that the CFL IS a professional league, where professional players need to be paid.

Beach_Red
02-12-2009, 05:15 PM
Keep in mind though that the CFL IS a professional league, where professional players need to be paid.

I don't get this? AHL players are paid.

But really, I think the CFL teams out west should be looking into a way to get professional soccer into their stadiums - especially the community owned teams in Winnipeg and Saskatchewan and Edmonton. There MUST be a way to get the lines off the field for each sport.

It's great the CFL has survived this long and I hope it contines, but there's no way for it to grow.

Bobo
02-12-2009, 05:21 PM
The AHL is NOT a professional league. There's a huge difference. The AHL isn't even NHL's competition.

ComeonyouReds
02-12-2009, 05:24 PM
The AHL is NOT a professional league. There's a huge difference. The AHL isn't even NHL's competition.
Actually AHL is pro.

Cashcleaner
02-12-2009, 05:48 PM
The AHL is NOT a professional league. There's a huge difference. The AHL isn't even NHL's competition.

Actually, it is a professional league. Also, the reason why its not in competition with the NHL is because AHL teams are affiliated with NHL clubs. Some are even controlled by the same ownership group.

Case in point: MLSE owns both the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Toronto Marlies.

Bobo
02-12-2009, 05:48 PM
Actually AHL is pro.

What I mean is that its purpose is the development of players into NHLers, which actually is different from the CFL.

Blizzard
02-12-2009, 07:15 PM
The AHL is NOT a professional league. There's a huge difference. The AHL isn't even NHL's competition.

No? Tell that to Mark Bell who is earning $2.5 million while playing with the Toronto Marlies!

.... and it's not supposed to be competition.

It is a Tier 2 league.

How can you possibly say it isn't a professional league? :noidea:

Edit: OK, I've seen your latest post on the subject .... and while I obviously accept that the CFL and AHL are not equivalent in purpose (although you might want to take note that four Argos have just bolted the CFL to try out for the NFL including our amazing kick returner Dominique Dorsey :( ), it doesn't make the AHL any less of a professional league!

Toronto Ruffrider
02-13-2009, 12:05 AM
The AHL is definitely professional. Marlies' players such as Mark Bell and Bates Battaglia make more money than any individual TFC player.

Heepster
02-13-2009, 09:04 PM
I've listened to Bob McCown for a long time and usually find him intelligent and entertaining. But I feel embarrassed for him when he becomes a mouthpiece for his lying or delusional friends the Argo owners David Cynamon and Howard Sokolowski, and goes along with their false and ridiculous contention that they were somehow cheated out of being involved in what became BMO Field, and are therefore owed something.

The Argo owners pulled out of the deal when it was at York U and nearly killed the stadium project, probably assuming and hoping it could not happen without them. When MLSE stepped in to replace the Argos, suddenly McCown was outraged about the government money involved -- which I suppose he was okay with when the same deal benefited his friends?

And now Cynamon claims that he had wanted to own a Toronto MLS team that would have played in the new stadium he thinks should have been built for him? Odd that this fact has apparently never been mentioned before, two and a half years into TFC being a bigger success than anyone would have anticipated.

bhoybobby
02-13-2009, 11:01 PM
Yeah he pretty much explained that at the beginning.

Guys:

Bob's a lying intercoursing vagina. The prick did play by play for the Fort Lauderdale Strikers back in the heday of the NASL.

He's a bonafide arsehole sniffer & top dog wind up merchant, ignore the inbred testicle licker.

Ossington Mental Youth
02-13-2009, 11:10 PM
you really like him dont you

Shakes McQueen
02-13-2009, 11:12 PM
The AHL is NOT a professional league. There's a huge difference. The AHL isn't even NHL's competition.

The players get paid to play hockey, which by definition makes it a professional league. If the AHL isn't professional, then the Coca-Cola Championship isn't either.

- Scott

Redcoe15
02-17-2009, 05:20 PM
Well, Stephen Brunt is back, and he's co-hosting PTS this week. And the first thing he did was needle Bobo McClown about his soccer roundtable with Craig, Nigel, and Allan last week. :D