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Bloor West FC
02-07-2009, 04:40 PM
Just for the fun of it I went to ebay to see if anybody was selling tickets already. And look what I found!!

http://tickets.shop.ebay.com/items/Event-Tickets__toronto-fc_W0QQ_catrefZ1QQ_dmptZUSQ5fTicketsQ5fallQ5finQ5f oneQQ_flnZ1QQ_sacatZ16122QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em2 82?_trksid=p3286.c0.m282

RPB_RED_NATION_RPB
02-07-2009, 04:43 PM
http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=9426


:)

pepher
02-07-2009, 04:44 PM
Those tix are not $108 face value. How is it they are permitted to sell them at that price?

MG42
02-07-2009, 04:44 PM
Stub Hub is full of them too

http://www.stubhub.com/search/doSearch?searchStr=toronto+fc&pageNumber=1&resultsPerPage=50&searchMode=event&start=0&rows=50

MartinUtd
02-07-2009, 04:45 PM
most of those are midfield... isn't face really high there anyway?

Either way, its still a pain in the ass to see that many being diddled. Although anyone that pays 200 for the Galaxy deserve whats coming to them

RedRum
02-07-2009, 04:51 PM
Maybe it's a good sign that so many are for sale this year. Economics 101 - It all comes down to supply and demand.

nascarguy
02-07-2009, 05:27 PM
the bigger tfc and the mls get the more Scalper are going to be a Problem. hot tickets sell at high price. So the more the mls sucks the less the Scalper Problems will be.

Brooker
02-07-2009, 05:29 PM
the tickets i saw going for over $100 a piece in 117 made me want to cry. it was like row 10, aswell. ugh.

feel bad for anybody who has to buy those.

mighty_torontofc_2008
02-07-2009, 05:43 PM
the tickets i saw going for over $100 a piece in 117 made me want to cry. it was like row 10, aswell. ugh.

feel bad for anybody who has to buy those.


come on city of Toronto add more seats to BMO, get more real fans into the place,

olegunnar
02-07-2009, 06:26 PM
They should open up the ticket trader. That way you can match STH who can't make a game with people that need tickets.
Instead some people feel they have no choice but to pay scalpers.

nascarguy
02-07-2009, 06:40 PM
ticketmaster should print the name of the buyer on the ticket and you need ID to use the ticket.

nascarguy
02-07-2009, 06:43 PM
They should open up the ticket trader. That way you can match STH who can't make a game with people that need tickets.
Instead some people feel they have no choice but to pay scalpers. they have that for season ticket holder at every mls team website and even in the epl.

olegunnar
02-07-2009, 06:48 PM
They should open it to non season ticket holders.
There are empty seats at every "sold out" game, yet some people have no choice but go to scalers. If they were given a choice then the scalpers would get no business...or at least less business

nascarguy
02-07-2009, 07:02 PM
They should open it to non season ticket holders.
There are empty seats at every "sold out" game, yet some people have no choice but go to scalers. If they were given a choice then the scalpers would get no business...or at least less business

it's open to everyone but they just sell out fast

Nestease
02-07-2009, 07:02 PM
Those tix are not $108 face value. How is it they are permitted to sell them at that price?

How would you know? I've had tickets in that general area and have paid roughly the same amount (face value).

werewolf
02-07-2009, 07:05 PM
How would you know? I've had tickets in that general area and have paid roughly the same amount (face value).

For a premium game, they are at most $60.

http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/t280/imgs/tickets/2008/single_seating_map.jpg

egoodwin
02-07-2009, 08:28 PM
we need Springsteen to speak out about this too

S_D
02-07-2009, 08:33 PM
Those tix are not $108 face value. How is it they are permitted to sell them at that price?

this came up last season when someone emailed a scalper.

They charged face value for the ticket and added a "ticket broker fee" to get around the law.

Nestease
02-07-2009, 08:45 PM
For a premium game, they are at most $60.


My mistake. It's not been uncommon for me to hold a ticket with a $100 face value at midfield like that, but you're right about these ones.

werewolf
02-07-2009, 08:49 PM
Some of the friendlies and All-star game have had high face vaules, but when a guy is wholesaling them on ebay, no chance he is a honest ticket-holder.

dcdcdc
02-07-2009, 08:58 PM
If people want to go to the games, why does it matter how they buy their tickets? If they are willing to pay more, go nuts.. it's a private transaction between the seller and buyer. I don't like scalping either nor paying a premium but no one is entitled to season tickets except those that were aware and smart enough to buy when season tickets originally went on sale.

nfitz
02-07-2009, 10:30 PM
It violates E-bay's terms and conditions. And only pushes up ticket prices.

If it was one match ... that's one thing, but he's got all his tickets up ... and he's trying to profit massively. That also violates MLSE's terms and conditions.

Mark in Ottawa
02-08-2009, 04:55 PM
this came up last season when someone emailed a scalper.

They charged face value for the ticket and added a "ticket broker fee" to get around the law.
Nice try. The Ticket Speculation Act of Ontario states:

This Act does not apply to the sale of tickets by the proprietor of a shop or hotel stand or a servant of the proprietor when such proprietor is an agent of a theatre, opera house, public hall, or grandstand, or of the owner or promoter of a show, game, race meeting, exhibition, or amusement of any kind for the sale of tickets, and where the commission charged upon the sale of each ticket does not exceed the maximum prescribed in the Schedule to this Act. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.7, s. 3.

so you can only charge a brokers fee when you are "agent of the event promoter".

Being a Scalper is against the law and so is purchasing from one!

http://www.canadalegal.com/gosite.asp?s=1892 (http://www.canadalegal.com/gosite.asp?s=1892)

S_D
02-08-2009, 05:39 PM
No need with the "nice try" or giving me the ticket speculation legal crap. I am not legitimizing it whatsoever. I am just telling you what a scalper said last season when an RPB member contacted the guy to try and report him.

By the sounds of it there was a difference between a commission and broker fee as the guy was getting away with it. He even had a GST number. If I ever dig up the thread I will send it to you.

Parkdale
02-08-2009, 05:43 PM
For a premium game, they are at most $60.

http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/t280/imgs/tickets/2008/single_seating_map.jpg


that's interesting.
There are prices already set for friendlies, and you can now buy single tickets in the club seats.

Canadian Blue
02-08-2009, 05:44 PM
if you are certain they are over charging for the tix, email ebay with proof and the listing will be taken down

Parkdale
02-08-2009, 05:46 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA (http://cgi.ebay.com/TORONTO-FC-VS-LA-GALAXY_W0QQitemZ110347288185QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_ Tickets_all_in_one?hash=item110347288185&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1257%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

two tickets in 104 ROW 17 for the Galaxy game (that Beckham probably wont bee in) and the guy's asking $400 for the pair.

werewolf
02-08-2009, 05:47 PM
that's interesting.
There are prices already set for friendlies, and you can now buy single tickets in the club seats.

That chart says 2008 on top. But I assume its near the same for this season.

nfitz
02-08-2009, 07:32 PM
2009 pricing has been up for months: http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/t280/tickets/ssh/renewal/#seating


SINGLE GAME PRICES
Regular MLS Game (10) $88 $70 $55 $35 $25 $23
Premium Game (5) $112 $82 $61 $46 $39 $37
International Friendly (1) $176 $140 $110 $70 $50 $46
Canadian Championship (2) $88 $70 $55 $35 $25 $23

Slight increases - though the international friendly is far more reasonable; I was turning down tickets last year because I didn't want to pay face, might be tempted this year if it's an interesting team.

Stencils
02-08-2009, 07:40 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA (http://cgi.ebay.com/TORONTO-FC-VS-LA-GALAXY_W0QQitemZ110347288185QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_ Tickets_all_in_one?hash=item110347288185&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1257%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

two tickets in 104 ROW 17 for the Galaxy game (that Beckham probably wont bee in) and the guy's asking $400 for the pair.

I saw that. I had half a mind to ask the question of the seller "If Beckham doesn't stay with LA, will you sell these to me for $2?

TorCanSoc
02-08-2009, 09:30 PM
Just for the fun of it I went to ebay to see if anybody was selling tickets already. And look what I found!!

http://tickets.shop.ebay.com/items/Event-Tickets__toronto-fc_W0QQ_catrefZ1QQ_dmptZUSQ5fTicketsQ5fallQ5finQ5f oneQQ_flnZ1QQ_sacatZ16122QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em2 82?_trksid=p3286.c0.m282

This phk-waad has been selling tickets from day 1. I'm dead middle of this guy's pile of tickets. He's got ten in my row, ten behind me, and ten in front of me. I have never ever ever seen the same person at a game twice. You'd like build comaradrie (sic) and a rapport, dare I say friendship with your STH to your left and right... but...

...whatever.
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This guy's a douche. Absolute atmosphere killer in and around me for sure. I scream and shout, and just get cold stares in return. No slight to the people buying these tickets, at least they get a chance to come to the game. But man some people... I dont' know..... one chick asked me where the bathroom was. :) crazy.

werewolf
02-08-2009, 09:38 PM
^ did you report it to the front office?

TorCanSoc
02-08-2009, 09:45 PM
No. Has anyone heard of people getting their tickets pulled?

RedRum
02-08-2009, 09:51 PM
Why bother? They're not gonna do anything. Scalpers do them a favor by creating the illusion of ticket scarcity which helps hype their product as "the hot ticket".

TorCanSoc
02-08-2009, 09:53 PM
Paul reads these posts. My guess is he's got an idea of who they are.

werewolf
02-08-2009, 09:59 PM
I thought last year someone reported some tickets that were notoriously scalped and they were revoked. Though that may be wishful thinking, I am pretty sure it happened. But for anything to occur, you have at least be proactive about it and let the front office know.

RedRum
02-08-2009, 10:29 PM
Something weird about that guy. He has over 400 ticket packages up for sale presently yet only 20 feedback and he's been registered on eBay for a few years. All are for Toronto teams, yet he is in the US. Must be a broker of some sort. Good luck finding out who the tickets are registered to.

egoodwin
02-09-2009, 06:02 PM
Ticketmaster/Ticketsnow is being sued!

shit is about to go down against those scalpers

we all should join the lawsuit, or maybe join it as individual supporter groups

http://www.ticketmasterclassaction.com/

Mark in Ottawa
02-09-2009, 07:51 PM
Scalping suit filed against Ticketmaster in Canada

http://uk.reuters.com/article/technologyNewsMolt/idUKTRE51882720090209

jaahuuu
02-10-2009, 09:33 AM
ticketmaster should print the name of the buyer on the ticket and you need ID to use the ticket.
Good idea in theory, but in practice it would take the entire 1st half for everybody to get in the stadium.


Something weird about that guy. He has over 400 ticket packages up for sale presently yet only 20 feedback and he's been registered on eBay for a few years. All are for Toronto teams, yet he is in the US. Must be a broker of some sort. Good luck finding out who the tickets are registered to.The guy could be in Toronto, he'd only need a US PO Box with a credit card billed to it to make ebay think he is in the US. Then he can sell tickets to Toronto events, as a US resident, and be exempt from Ontario scalping laws.

OneLoveOneEric
02-10-2009, 09:35 AM
I've been to games in England where STH have cards for their season ticket -- like a credit card that you swipe on the way in. Not a perfect system, but it certainly makes it more difficult to sell off individual games to random people.

BFin
02-10-2009, 09:39 AM
Check out the guy selling lower endlines in section 118 for....wait for it....$220 a piece! Thats ons tub hub.
I am willing to pay ticketmaster for seats, I will even pay a bit above face on ebay or stub hub...but no way in hell will I pay $220 a seat EVER to see TFC. I am sorry, but that is just ridiculous. The hunt continues for opening day seats.

mighty_torontofc_2008
02-10-2009, 12:57 PM
I have a friend whos a scalper, its his job..Scalpers if you don't like what they sell just don't buy from them....Christ the oil companies market up the gas to a high price yet no one complains, but if a scalper marks up a sport/concert ticket there are cries for them to be hung!! Let the scalpers be....

werewolf
02-10-2009, 12:58 PM
^ Did you just say no one complains about gas prices? I think that's what I read, but I am not sure that someone actually typed that.

Sonny Cheeba
02-10-2009, 12:59 PM
comparing a scalper to an oil company has to be one of the worst analogies i've ever heard.

dupont
02-10-2009, 01:00 PM
comparing a scalper to an oil company has to be one of the worst analogies i've ever heard.

Correction. Worst analogy ANYONE has ever heard! haha :D

mighty_torontofc_2008
02-10-2009, 01:02 PM
comparing a scalper to an oil company has to be one of the worst analogies i've ever heard.


why the both mark up their "product" more then they should, but at least with a scalper you can negotiate the proce...try to that to petro canada!!

mighty_torontofc_2008
02-10-2009, 01:03 PM
^ Did you just say no one complains about gas prices? I think that's what I read, but I am not sure that someone actually typed that.


ok sure they complain..but do nothing about it like leavin the second car hoe ant taking the TTC or Go!!

werewolf
02-10-2009, 01:05 PM
ok sure they complain..but do nothing about it like leavin the second car hoe ant taking the TTC or Go!!

Cool, so now that you have accepted your first post to be BS, can you explain to me what this bold part is supposed to mean.

ACSertL
02-10-2009, 01:17 PM
Cool, so now that you have accepted your first post to be BS, can you explain to me what this bold part is supposed to mean.

...I don't think he's coming back :)

Toronto Ruffrider
02-10-2009, 01:19 PM
Scalping is illegal, plain and simple. It doesn't matter if that's someone's vocation, it's still against the law. Selling drugs is illegal too, and you can't get out of prison time for that offence by declaring it in your taxes.

dcdcdc
02-10-2009, 01:42 PM
Scalping is part of life! I don't like it either but even MLSE does it..

When you sell individual tickets on the TicketExchange, and MLSE sends you back half the value of the ticket you already bought at season ticket price, then sells it again at full price at the individual ticket price. What is that??? They are making more than 150% of the value of that ticket

People have to get over their sense of entitlement to tickets.. Whoever bought first owns the ticket.

mighty_torontofc_2008
02-10-2009, 05:56 PM
Scalping is illegal, plain and simple. It doesn't matter if that's someone's vocation, it's still against the law. Selling drugs is illegal too, and you can't get out of prison time for that offence by declaring it in your taxes.


tru but would rather see the cops going after drug dealers, those perverts they buy and sell kiddie porn....they spending useless time on scalpers.

celt-nick
02-10-2009, 07:54 PM
Fuckin Goofs!!

pepher
03-01-2009, 09:54 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA (http://cgi.ebay.com/TORONTO-FC-VS-LA-GALAXY_W0QQitemZ110347288185QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_ Tickets_all_in_one?hash=item110347288185&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1257%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

two tickets in 104 ROW 17 for the Galaxy game (that Beckham probably wont bee in) and the guy's asking $400 for the pair.

What kind of freaks me out a bit is THAT IS MY SEAT!!! Someone had posted before about "Returned" being posted beside their invoice on the ticket manager but that it had something to do with 'moving the tickets to print' or something. Mine still says "Returned". I'm going to remain calm and phone on Monday but WTF!?

Mikey
03-01-2009, 10:15 AM
tru but would rather see the cops going after drug dealers, those perverts they buy and sell kiddie porn....they spending useless time on scalpers.

Absolutely, which is why it should be a tax office squad that hits these asshats with a full 10 year audit and prosecutes under tax evasion.

Not waste of time 250 dollar fines from the cops......

Reporting this stuff to the FO is a waste of time, one of my friends buys scalped tickets way above face value from an MLSE employee......allegedly.

Workie
03-01-2009, 10:23 AM
Well People can bitch about it.

Or you can tar and feather the buggers on opening day.

Other than than you S.O.L on options.

Four 4 Two
03-01-2009, 10:34 AM
Why should anyone bother with them at all? Supply and demand. They have 'em we want 'em.....so they will get what people are willing to pay! Fair and simple economics if you ask me. If one is really upset about it, is it because they don't have and can't get tickets for $20 a piece? Other than the 15,000 sth's, nobody can!! Leave the legality out of it......it's a convenient argument i'm sure, but if we were all that concerned about being upstanding, law abiding citizens i wouldn't see anyone drinking in a parking-lot before a game, littering, swearing, throwing things at the opposition......Those are all great parts of the game atmosphere that make it worth spending $$ to go and see them. THats my 43 cents worth.... (was two cents but i marked it up!!!)

Four 4 Two
03-01-2009, 10:40 AM
Absolutely, which is why it should be a tax office squad that hits these asshats with a full 10 year audit and prosecutes under tax evasion.

Not waste of time 250 dollar fines from the cops......

Reporting this stuff to the FO is a waste of time, one of my friends buys scalped tickets way above face value from an MLSE employee......allegedly.


Mikey....you really want to spend my tax dollars paying pupblic sector accountants to audit these "asshats" (nice word btw :hump:) because they are selling tickets for more than they are worth?? I'd rather the government lose the tax revenue than spend $$ trying to fight it. I think they would spend more than they would likely save!

grimm
03-01-2009, 10:49 AM
The government has no issue with paying plenty of bike, and horse cops to walk the parking lot for the day to make sure no one is having fun... why can't they kick in a couple bucks to arrest some scalpers? Asshats :)

mlsintoronto
03-01-2009, 10:55 AM
Reporting this stuff to the FO is a waste of time, one of my friends buys scalped tickets way above face value from an MLSE employee......allegedly.

Mikey - I don't take kindly to baseless accusations about me or my staff. If you feel this is warranted please pm me with details. What you're suggesting is wrong and I won't tolerate it - give me details and I can make it stop.

Ladies Love Julius James
03-01-2009, 10:57 AM
Nothing at all wrong with scalping. It got me to BMO, it got me to the World Series a few times, it's gotten me to raptors playoff games, it's gotten me to the final season in Yankee stadium, I got no problem with scalpers and I don't mind them at all.

wzhxvy
03-01-2009, 10:57 AM
I do not know how anyone can defend scalpers. All you need to do is to talk to one, and you will know the type of individual you are dealing with.

However, for anyone who has been around ACC prior to a big game...you see the STH's cars stop and sell their tickets to the scalpers...so its a market and the STH's especially for the Leafs are as much to blame and should be criminally charged as well.

werewolf
03-01-2009, 11:03 AM
it's a convenient argument i'm sure, but if we were all that concerned about being upstanding, law abiding citizens i wouldn't see anyone drinking in a parking-lot before a game

Or look at it from a different perspective. If they are going to bust people for drinking in the parking lot, why do they stroll past the scalpers? Why the selection on which laws they will enforce that day?

torontocelt
03-01-2009, 11:46 AM
Mikey - I don't tie kindly to baseless accusations about me or my staff. If you feel this is warranted please pm me with details. What you're suggesting is wrong and I won't tolerate it - give me details and I can make it stop.

Why doesn't an employee of the front office simply send the scalpers on ebay, Craiglist etc emails of interest about purchasing their seats? They can pretend to show an interest in purchasing them and then when they find out all of the details they could either ban the person from the stadium, report the person to the police or at the very least ensure that they cannot purchase their season tickets for the following year.

With regards to the guy that has got ten tickets in a row who advertises on Ebay, he gives you his section (128) and his row (26). It would not take a genius in front office to look on their computers, check the section and check the row and figure out who it is. I don't for the life of me think their can be two or more people in that section who has ten tickets in his name.

At the end of the day Toronto FC should be trying to prevent scalping yet you get the impression that they couldn't care less. If someone, anyone at MLSE can tell me why the 1 - 10 guy hasn't been banned yet despite blatantly scalping tickets then I would love to know why? I know that there are TFC employees who read these boards and I would to know why this guy hasn't been stripped of the opportunity to re-new his season tickets at the very least?

boban
03-01-2009, 12:37 PM
Why doesn't an employee of the front office simply send the scalpers on ebay, Craiglist etc emails of interest about purchasing their seats? They can pretend to show an interest in purchasing them and then when they find out all of the details they could either ban the person from the stadium, report the person to the police or at the very least ensure that they cannot purchase their season tickets for the following year.

With regards to the guy that has got ten tickets in a row who advertises on Ebay, he gives you his section (128) and his row (26). It would not take a genius in front office to look on their computers, check the section and check the row and figure out who it is. I don't for the life of me think their can be two or more people in that section who has ten tickets in his name.

At the end of the day Toronto FC should be trying to prevent scalping yet you get the impression that they couldn't care less. If someone, anyone at MLSE can tell me why the 1 - 10 guy hasn't been banned yet despite blatantly scalping tickets then I would love to know why? I know that there are TFC employees who read these boards and I would to know why this guy hasn't been stripped of the opportunity to re-new his season tickets at the very least?
Maybe because the tickets are dispersed through 3,4, or 5 names. All his buddies or something like that. On the face of it it seems pretty simple. But in reality it may not be so.

torontocelt
03-01-2009, 01:18 PM
Maybe because the tickets are dispersed through 3,4, or 5 names. All his buddies or something like that. On the face of it it seems pretty simple. But in reality it may not be so.

Yeah that is possible but how many seats are in a row in a section anyway? I really don't think it would take much investigation by the office to find out what tickets had been scalped. Even sending someone from the front office to that particular row on a game day and asking the people in the seats how they got their tickets? They could ask for id and ask for the name of the person who owns the ticket. I would be surprised if the people who have bought the scalped tickets even know the name of the person who actually owns them.

Obviously front office could also set up a dummy ebay account and correspond with the person that way and try and get the required seat numbers. I'm not saying it would be easy to find out but it is possible with a little effort.

TorCanSoc
03-01-2009, 03:40 PM
Where's the scalper line? Is a STH a scalper if he sells his beckham ticket for more than face value? Is the STH a scalper if she sells her Int Friendly ticket? Or are we only trying to take down the Section 108 30 ticket guy as a scalper?

Some draw a hard line. 1 penny over face value, and you're a scalper.

mighty_torontofc_2008
03-01-2009, 04:07 PM
Well People can bitch about it.

Or you can tar and feather the buggers on opening day.

Other than than you S.O.L on options.


or one other way...dont buy or sell to them....if you have TFC tickets for some reason you cant use...put them on the ticket trader at cost

Vince Whirlwind
03-01-2009, 04:28 PM
Why should anyone bother with them at all? Supply and demand. They have 'em we want 'em.....so they will get what people are willing to pay! Fair and simple economics if you ask me. If one is really upset about it, is it because they don't have and can't get tickets for $20 a piece? Other than the 15,000 sth's, nobody can!! Leave the legality out of it......it's a convenient argument i'm sure, but if we were all that concerned about being upstanding, law abiding citizens i wouldn't see anyone drinking in a parking-lot before a game, littering, swearing, throwing things at the opposition......Those are all great parts of the game atmosphere that make it worth spending $$ to go and see them. THats my 43 cents worth.... (was two cents but i marked it up!!!)

I wonder if I can start doing that with new 'blockbuster' movie releases...you know, buy ALL the tickets for the 7:30 and 9:00 o'clock shows and then stand outside and re-sell them at a profit??

Pretty sure I'd be shut down real fast. Not sure why this okay with sporting events and concerts...???

StandUpIfYouHateChelsea
03-01-2009, 04:33 PM
Why should anyone bother with them at all? Supply and demand. They have 'em we want 'em.....so they will get what people are willing to pay! Fair and simple economics if you ask me. If one is really upset about it, is it because they don't have and can't get tickets for $20 a piece? Other than the 15,000 sth's, nobody can!! Leave the legality out of it......it's a convenient argument i'm sure, but if we were all that concerned about being upstanding, law abiding citizens i wouldn't see anyone drinking in a parking-lot before a game, littering, swearing, throwing things at the opposition......Those are all great parts of the game atmosphere that make it worth spending $$ to go and see them. THats my 43 cents worth.... (was two cents but i marked it up!!!)

Scumbag , fact is There are TFC fans who cant get to games cause these scumbag scalpers have the tickets, and if they dont sell them for 200$ over the actual price, they hold onto them ..... stop defending scalpers if a STH couldnt go to a game it should be on the ticket trader so another fan can buy it and go , that way the stands wouldnt have holes :canada:

StandUpIfYouHateChelsea
03-01-2009, 04:39 PM
Why bother? They're not gonna do anything. Scalpers do them a favor by creating the illusion of ticket scarcity which helps hype their product as "the hot ticket".

haha No i believe its the 10,000 person season ticket waiting list that did that , if there was a TFC supported ticket trader those tix would be gone in a min for each game

Derko
03-01-2009, 04:54 PM
I like the card idea, you have to swipe in or barcode scan in, it would eliminate some of the scalped tickets and would be TFC's Green Intiative. Go Green, GoTFC!!

RicoSuave44
03-01-2009, 05:47 PM
I don't understand how some of you can support scalpers, or say things like 'there's nothing wrong with scalping'. Price gouging is wrong, plain and simple. When someone can't find a ticket online or from friends and is forced to go to a scalper to pay 1.5, 2 or even 3 times the face value, how can you defend that?

Let's say a hurricane hit Toronto and I went to the supermarket and bought every item of food, then stood outside selling the food at double the price, would you defend that? Different I know in that we need food to survive, but it's the same principle.
These scalpers are mostly scum, they are bad for fans and bad for attendance. Look at all the holes in the stands last year. We have a 6000 or w/e waiting list and yet the stadium is not full, not even close on many occasions. I know most legit STHs can't make every game, but many need to do a better job when they give or sell their tix away and make sure they don't end up in the hands of scalpers.

It also frustrates me that MLSE and the police don't go after these guys. It's suspect. Why wouldn't they? Are scalpers on the payroll? If not then why not attempt to book 'em. These people are hurting your business. Protect your fanbase by nabbing these rat bastards, revoking their tickets, and selling them to real fans that are on the waiting list or at the walk-up window. It's so simple! Why won't you do it!?!

Ladies Love Julius James
03-01-2009, 05:54 PM
If I'm buying a ticket on ticketmaster. It says 34.99....I end up paying $60. Convienience charge, taxes, delivery, building charge etc. No different they're just white collar scalping.

Often times I get near face or under face at certain events from scalpers, other times I fork out a pretty penny. If it weren't for scalpers I'd never make it to some amazing sporting events I've attended, Im happy they're around.

Nomad
03-01-2009, 05:59 PM
Often times I get near face or under face at certain events from scalpers, other times I fork out a pretty penny. If it weren't for scalpers I'd never make it to some amazing sporting events I've attended, Im happy they're around.

On the contrary, tickets would still be available through conventional means if these guys didn't use dubious ways to snatch them and thus drive up their demand and value.

Ladies Love Julius James
03-01-2009, 06:01 PM
On the contrary, tickets would still be available through conventional means if these guys didn't use dubious ways to snatch them and thus drive up their demand and value.


So for a Raptor playoff match, your telling me that if everyone who went wasn't a scalper, I'd still be able to get a ticket in reasonable time where I want via Ticketraper????

How about New Yankee Stadium in a city with over 8 million people that seats 55k or so?

TorCanSoc
03-01-2009, 06:27 PM
I don't understand how some of you can support scalpers, or say things like 'there's nothing wrong with scalping'. Price gouging is wrong, plain and simple. When someone can't find a ticket online or from friends and is forced to go to a scalper to pay 1.5, 2 or even 3 times the face value, how can you defend that?

Let's say a hurricane hit Toronto and I went to the supermarket and bought every item of food, then stood outside selling the food at double the price, would you defend that? Different I know in that we need food to survive, but it's the same principle.
These scalpers are mostly scum, they are bad for fans and bad for attendance. Look at all the holes in the stands last year. We have a 6000 or w/e waiting list and yet the stadium is not full, not even close on many occasions. I know most legit STHs can't make every game, but many need to do a better job when they give or sell their tix away and make sure they don't end up in the hands of scalpers.

It also frustrates me that MLSE and the police don't go after these guys. It's suspect. Why wouldn't they? Are scalpers on the payroll? If not then why not attempt to book 'em. These people are hurting your business. Protect your fanbase by nabbing these rat bastards, revoking their tickets, and selling them to real fans that are on the waiting list or at the walk-up window. It's so simple! Why won't you do it!?!

I asked it before? Where's the scalper line? I had a V.P. where I (used to) work. Unsolicited, I sold my Becks tix for pretty much $400 for a pair. Am I a scalper? I believe we are talking about full time, their only job, kind of scalpers no?

torontocelt
03-01-2009, 06:57 PM
I reckon scalping is where you are selling tickets for an unreasonable price, I don't think it is out of order to ask for $10 more than you paid for example if you feel it is warranted. If you start asking for vastly more than that, ie you are definitely selling on with the intention of mass profit then I would classify that person as a scalper.

As for ticketmaster, they do indeed have charges for everything that pushes the overall price of the ticket up and it sucks. They seem to have found a loop hole in the law but it is the fault of the event organizer for choosing to distribute their tickets this way. TFC in this instance has 16000 or so season ticket holders, on top of that they have partial pack and season ticket holders also. I would imagine that after all of those tickets there would not be that many tickets left for general sale. I am confident that if TFC really wanted then they could create a website of their own, similar to ticketmaster where they could sell the tickets directly to the fans. Ticketmaster are successful because companies like MLSE distribute tickets through them so I blame them more than ticketmaster.

wzhxvy
03-01-2009, 07:16 PM
By the way people, you guys think ticketmaster does not give the event owner any of that additional money ??? I have no inside info but I would bet they do ! If they mark up the price of the ticket by $30 bucks, I would bet that at least a third of that is going to the said event owner such as raptors, leafs, whatever the team is. Or depending on who owns ticketmaster, they get their "money back" that way...

MLSE would not allow their distributor to make that much money off their product...especially when they have the raptors, leafs and TFC...any big shot from MLSE want to respond to that ???? I bet not

mazinn
03-01-2009, 08:17 PM
they shouldnt renew the season pass to those poeple, it seems those scalpers are buying season passes and sell them as sigle game tickets on e-bay. how hard is it for the M.L.E to find out who are those scalpers?

Mark in Ottawa
03-02-2009, 06:56 AM
I asked it before? Where's the scalper line? I had a V.P. where I (used to) work. Unsolicited, I sold my Becks tix for pretty much $400 for a pair. Am I a scalper? I believe we are talking about full time, their only job, kind of scalpers no?
What you did, as you described it, is scalping as defined within the law.
The Ontario Ticket Speculation Act
http://www.canadalegal.com/gosite.asp?s=1892

defines the "scalper line" as you called it.

You were not an official "agent" of the event and therefore you were guilty of scalping. Your "customer" was also guilty.

Ticketmaster is an agent of the club but the mark ups they are charging as well as the redirection to their subsidiary site (TicketsNow) at higher markups are the basis for the lawsuit that they are currently facing.

Mark in Ottawa
03-02-2009, 07:02 AM
Nothing at all wrong with scalping. It got me to BMO, it got me to the World Series a few times, it's gotten me to raptors playoff games, it's gotten me to the final season in Yankee stadium, I got no problem with scalpers and I don't mind them at all.
And that is the problem. This attitude keeps their business thriving and does not give the authorities any impetus to clamp down on the practice by a combination of enforcement and increases in penalties.

Clubs and event promoters could very well serve those with $$ who need to jump queue's by holding auctions for a few tickets to popular events.
The extra monies could go to charities or back into the businesses sponsoring the events instead of into the pockets of organized crime.

dcdcdc
03-02-2009, 08:24 AM
Sports tickets are not a necessity in life. If you can't afford, don't go. You're not entitled to tickets because you're 'a real fan'. I've bought off scalpers occasionally, they do provide a service if you need stuff last minute and want good seats. These things are cyclical anyways, there will be a day when there will be Toronto FC tickets galore available and there won't be a problem. I call it a fad. Remember when it was hard to see the Jays in 93, now they can't give them away fast enough

Oldtimer
03-02-2009, 08:26 AM
The Canadian Press has learned Ontario's Ministry of the Attorney General is looking into the sale and pricing of tickets for entertainment and sporting events in the province.
Attorney General Chris Bentley "is exploring options right now to address mounting concerns about access to tickets and the cost of tickets," a source close to the minister said Sunday.
It's not known whether those options would include legislation or a formal investigation into the sale and resale of tickets.
Bentley is expected to have more to say on the matter when he meets with reporters following Monday's question period at the Ontario legislature.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gSYO2S6rF_Me8q4dv6rKVxQAeI9g

Good news, if something is done!

redcard
03-02-2009, 08:51 AM
if you are able to pay high prices for the tickets the scalpers will increase the prices, with the slowing economy i am sure the value of these scalper tickets and the price they sell them for will decrease...

so my question is if the scalper are selling them for below face value would you still be pissed off?

Azerban
03-02-2009, 10:19 AM
so my question is if the scalper are selling them for below face value would you still be pissed off?

yes and no. no, because they're no longer scalping, yes, because they're still holding on to seasons that people would actually use for their intended purpose.

redcard
03-02-2009, 10:41 AM
yes and no. no, because they're no longer scalping, yes, because they're still holding on to seasons that people would actually use for their intended purpose.

actually i believe reselling your tickets is illegal, it has nothing to do with how much above or below face you are selling the for.

i think there is something about that on the back of your tickets...someone correct me if i am wrong.

jabbronies
03-02-2009, 10:48 AM
actually i believe reselling your tickets is illegal, it has nothing to do with how much above or below face you are selling the for.

i think there is something about that on the back of your tickets...someone correct me if i am wrong.


I don't think it's not illegal to sell your ticket as long as you are not making a profit off of it.

Taken from the Star regarding ticketmaster:
They allege the defendants violated Ontario's "anti-scalping" laws, contending that the practice of selling tickets in the secondary market for amounts that exceed their face price violates the legislation.

scooter
03-02-2009, 11:14 AM
just went and checked for season opener tickets

nothing available from tfc---no brainer
nothing available yet from season ticket holders

but if you want a seat in 108 or 124 and dont mind paying for it

go to:
stub hub
tickets now
ticket centre
tickets to go
prime seat tickets

seems like some of these tickets are the same just on different sites i dont have time right now to check

but wtf tfc --- we have lots of loyal supporters who need tickets
it would not be too much work for someone to check that these tickets are already available for all home games this season at inflated prices

mlse should be monitoring this and not renewing for next year so tickets are available for supporters and not scalpers and price gougers

i know we have talked about this before but nothing seems to be done about it

if i am wrong that nothing has been done please feel free to correct me

Shway
03-02-2009, 12:03 PM
The problem is that TFC FO, management, MLSE W H A T E V E R!
has to want this to stop. If they do they can ENFORCE that police get the scalpers out of BMO, its not that hard. I've seen where Police will go undercover, and they will come up to you asking you if you have tickets to sell, and then arrest you for doing so, lol......and then they would get TERMINATED from ever buying TFC tickets again in there life lol, and then their tickets will be available....
is this not easier said then DONE!

POINT OF THE MATTER IS, I AM A TFC FAN, WHO WANTS SEASONS TICKETS,
then there is...................A NON TFC FAN, WHO HAS TICKETS BUT DOESNT WANT THEM,

Mark in Ottawa
03-02-2009, 12:11 PM
The problem is that TFC FO, management, MLSE W H A T E V E R! has to want this to stop.
Tough when MLSE owns multiple franchises.

Do they expect the same treatment for all of their offerings at all of the different venues?

In their eyes the tickets are listed and sold. The reselling really has little to do with them except for the perception that tickets are hard/impossible to come by which may scare away or turn off prospective fans in the future.

canadian_bhoy
03-02-2009, 12:14 PM
As much as I hate scalpers and would love to see them eliminated at all ticketed events - I don't see a lot of motivation for TFC to get rid of them. It's a shame because it would be nice if people made the "right" decision, but at the end of the day, top priority is to keep that stadium full and keep those tickets sold.

Getting rid of the scalpers would mean getting rid of "season ticket holders" who pay thousands for their 10+ seats. Right now, it is a guaranteed sale - is it worth it for the club to go after them and assume that a "real fan" will buy them? How deep is the well of real fans wanting to buy season seats?

Not to mention the "buzz" that scalpers create in the media and within the fan base - it's almost good PR for the club to be in the paper with comments like "Scalpers selling for XYZ dollars".

My thought is that the club doesn't like scalpers - but for the reasons stated above, won't ever get rid of them. They will probably do enough to appease the fans somewhat - but scalpers targeted and "dealt with"? Never going to happen

:(

I'm being synical (realistic) today.

Roogsy
03-02-2009, 12:17 PM
That's the thing. Realistically...what motivation does MLSE have for taking the time and effort to get rid of the scalpers? As long as they get their money from the STH, they move on to concentrate on other matters.

I would like to see the law and the government take more action. I think they are in a better position to do something about scalpers than MLSE or any other event-holder.

KdotOdot
03-02-2009, 12:43 PM
No ones ever going to stop these guys. this is a fucking epidemic sweeping all events from rock concerts to the fucking Disney Presents Beauty and the Beast on Ice.

The only way to stop them is buy out their seasons in the supporters section and let them sell the other ones to whoever they want. But that would mean doing things most people are not prepared to do.

brad
03-02-2009, 12:44 PM
Getting rid of the scalpers would mean getting rid of "season ticket holders" who pay thousands for their 10+ seats. Right now, it is a guaranteed sale - is it worth it for the club to go after them and assume that a "real fan" will buy them? How deep is the well of real fans wanting to buy season seats?


A very valid point, especially if you are talking about seats outside the supporters sections, particularly the expensive seats. I'd be curious to know how many people around here that are waiting list would jump on $1000.00/year seasons where they would have to sit down all year.

It is also flawed reasoning to assume that any tickets recouped from scalpers would end up in the hands of "real fans". They would end up in the hands of those next in line to get them. That could be a passionate supporter, or it could be a business owner that wants to give them out to clients.

torontocelt
03-02-2009, 12:45 PM
Toronto FC are quick to jump on the band wagon of stating that they have the best fans, I would hope that they would make scalping a priority so that their own fans could actually get tickets. Going back to my earlier post about the 1 - 10 guy off of ebay, the club knows the section and the row so why don't they simply send an employee to that row on a game day and ask people where they got their tickets. The guy may not sell all of his tickets but he will sell some. I do not think it would be difficult to find out what seats he is scalping, I do not know how much more information the club could possibly need to start an investigation. If the club actually cared at all about scalping then this guy should be investigated.

I like other posters believe that TFC simply don't care as long as they have made a sale. Obviously they are a company and they want to make as much money as possible but you have to question the ethics of those in charge of TFC. The much talked about 'all sports pack' confirmed to me that they don't give a hoot about their own fans, that is exploitation at its best. I am unaware if Raptors fans or Leafs fans had to buy tickets to the marlies in order to get tickets to the team they actually wanted to see? I sent an email to TFC stating my concerns for this crazy concept and never got a reply. This is the second year of the pack and they know no one wants tickets to the marlies but they still sell them in that bundle. If Toronto believes their fans are the best then you would hope they would treat them with a little repsect and not exploit them by forcing them to buy Marlies tickets.

Suds
03-02-2009, 01:31 PM
That's the thing. Realistically...what motivation does MLSE have for taking the time and effort to get rid of the scalpers? As long as they get their money from the STH, they move on to concentrate on other matters.

I would like to see the law and the government take more action. I think they are in a better position to do something about scalpers than MLSE or any other event-holder.

That's the key. I agree that MLSE could do more to limit scalping and probably should have better internal policies in place. However, MLSE is not in the business of enforcing provincial by-laws. Enforcement is, and should be, handled by the police and through legislation.

I understand we are talking specifically about ticket sales to events, but I don't agree that corporations of any kind should be in the business of enforcing any laws against citizens. Where do you draw the line on this?? We collectively should be pressuring our MPP's to address the issue.

... however, put my vote in the scalpers are scum column

s2cazz
03-02-2009, 01:58 PM
They should open up the ticket trader. That way you can match STH who can't make a game with people that need tickets.
Instead some people feel they have no choice but to pay scalpers.

I'm getting sick of the bitching about the scalpers... if it wasn't for the scalpers someone like me who live 4 hours away would never get to see a match... especially in the supporters section... you guys are lucky enough to have tix or to lived in the GTA so last minute tix work for you... I went to 6 games last year and had to pay a premium price but for me it was worth it...

Carter
03-02-2009, 02:02 PM
:deadhorse:

H Bomb
03-02-2009, 02:13 PM
I'm being synical (realistic) today.

:D:D

that's funny cause it's such a cynical sentence.

H Bomb
03-02-2009, 02:16 PM
I'm getting sick of the bitching about the scalpers... if it wasn't for the scalpers someone like me who live 4 hours away would never get to see a match... especially in the supporters section... you guys are lucky enough to have tix or to lived in the GTA so last minute tix work for you... I went to 6 games last year and had to pay a premium price but for me it was worth it...


you believe that if it wasn't for scalpers you wouldnt be able to see games?

that's crazy....absolutely crazy....you know if there weren't scalpers those tickets would be sold to fans dont you? And that there isn't a GTA preference when selling tickets so you'd have just as good a chance as anyone at getting them.

Steve
03-02-2009, 02:28 PM
Like it or not, there are a few main things to consider with this problem:

1) MLSE has no reason to stop scalpers. They pay the money, ensure the tickets are sold, and so really don't effect them at all. They also act as good press for the scarcity of ticket, and a good (and free) active market indicator for the worth of their product.

2) Scalpers actually fill a niche in the free market. They act as a dynamic agent in the supply and demand curve. Essentially, if you have 20,000 tickets the free market tells us that the price should set at such a point that exactly 20,000 people will be willing to pay for it. Of course, since there are a ton of other considerations, MLSE is not going to do that. Instead we have a situation with 20,000 tickets and significantly more than 20,000 people wanting to buy them. That means that, no matter what your method of distribution, you will still have people who would like to buy tickets without tickets.

Think of it this way, if there are 10 people (including you) who want a single ticket, 9 of you are going to be left out, without a single way to get a ticket (no matter how much you want it). Scalpers provide an outlet, by allowing all 10 of those people the option of buying the ticket (albiet at a price 9 will think is too expensive). This way, if you are sufficiently motivated, you have the option of going to a game. The biggest problem is the markup is going to someone who didn't actually produce anything (since if MLSE decided to do it, they would be crucified).

To be fair, I don't like scalpers at all. I don't like the fact that sometimes you can see tons of empty seats because of them. I'm just saying their existance is a free market inevitability, and isn't without its benefits.

Steve
03-02-2009, 02:30 PM
you believe that if it wasn't for scalpers you wouldnt be able to see games?

that's crazy....absolutely crazy....you know if there weren't scalpers those tickets would be sold to fans dont you? And that there isn't a GTA preference when selling tickets so you'd have just as good a chance as anyone at getting them.

exactly! As good a chance as any isn't that good of a chance. Scalpers give those willing to spend a little extra a BETTER chance of getting the tickets, which is the whole point.

H Bomb
03-02-2009, 02:33 PM
exactly! As good a chance as any isn't that good of a chance. Scalpers give those willing to spend a little extra a BETTER chance of getting the tickets, which is the whole point.

so you'd rather the richer folks got into the games over the actually fans of the team?

even wanting the richer real fans of the team to get in first makes me sick. this is a sad sad thing

Steve
03-02-2009, 02:36 PM
so you'd rather the richer folks got into the games over the actually fans of the team?

even wanting the richer real fans of the team to get in first makes me sick. this is a sad sad thing

I'm not saying want, I'm saying what is reality, and why there is some benefit to the scalper system. Plus, it's not necessarily the "rich" who get in, it's those willing to spend the money. You'll probably find that a higher percentage of people buying from scapers are "real fans" than are "rich", since fans place a higher value on going to the game, thus are willing to spend more.

H Bomb
03-02-2009, 02:40 PM
fuck this "reality" BS that is always thrown around with this convo. It's a reality because people buy into it. it's a reality because people are willing to put themselves over the others around them...and to each and everyone of those people you can have a big ol :dita: from me.

pepher
03-02-2009, 06:52 PM
why does MLSE or TFC have to do anything? don't get me wrong, I think it is a real shame that these guys get seats with no intention of using them and the sole purpose of selling them to fans and sell them above face value to the poor bugger that actually does want them as a supporter of TFC but it's a Police thing at this point isn't it? Seriously.

BosakWBC
03-03-2009, 06:48 PM
Just stumbled onto this guy http://www.bramptontickets.com/toronto_fc.html

RedWookie
03-03-2009, 07:51 PM
70$ to sit with you guys in the supporters section?! Id pay 15. max

nfitz
03-03-2009, 07:57 PM
Wow, that's extreme.

So let's see of MLSE actually deals with it ... or if they are just stringing us along.

Suds
03-03-2009, 08:14 PM
Wow, that's extreme.

So let's see of MLSE actually deals with it ... or if they are just stringing us along.

Better yet, forward it to your local MPP and ask them why someone can blatantly scalp tickets and nothing is being done about it.

RedWookie
03-03-2009, 08:22 PM
writing as we speak


and sent

Four 4 Two
03-03-2009, 08:36 PM
These guys make it a career to find tickets to events and pay the money up front to get them. They search for individual sellers, they buy season tix and they go and stand outside stadiums and arenas in all weather to sell them. and if I want a ticket i go to the stadium knowing that these guys will be there ready to charge me for the ticket itself and for the work they did in obtaining the ticket in the first place. Its a service. there r some people saying if these seats weren't scalped that i could still buy one from the ticket office?? BULLSHITE It would already be gone to another season ticket holder. There is a bigger waiting list for st's than there are seats that are held exclusively for the purpose of selling. I'm a fan> I'll pay for it i dont care (and i'm not rich) I yell and cheer and scream and love the game!!! I'm thankful that scalpers provide the opportunity for people who love the game to go and see a match.

Four 4 Two
03-03-2009, 08:40 PM
I would like to see the law and the government take more action. I think they are in a better position to do something about scalpers than MLSE or any other event-holder.

Roogsy, then some people will no longer be able to go to games (or not as many) but will still be paying for that through their taxes hard at work for such a trivial matter (trivial in the sense that the government has plenty other ways to spend MY hard earned money than to concentrate on this) The black market makes up a good portion of this country's Real GDP.

BakaGaijin
03-03-2009, 08:45 PM
These guys make it a career to find tickets to events and pay the money up front to get them. They search for individual sellers, they buy season tix and they go and stand outside stadiums and arenas in all weather to sell them. and if I want a ticket i go to the stadium knowing that these guys will be there ready to charge me for the ticket itself and for the work they did in obtaining the ticket in the first place. Its a service. there r some people saying if these seats weren't scalped that i could still buy one from the ticket office?? BULLSHITE It would already be gone to another season ticket holder. There is a bigger waiting list for st's than there are seats that are held exclusively for the purpose of selling. I'm a fan> I'll pay for it i dont care (and i'm not rich) I yell and cheer and scream and love the game!!! I'm thankful that scalpers provide the opportunity for people who love the game to go and see a match.

It's called hoarding or monopolisation. These organized criminals attempt to control all available supply so that they can artificially increase the price.

It's not a fucking service.

RedWookie
03-03-2009, 08:48 PM
The black market makes up a good portion of this country's Real GDP.

Thats how some countries make money. its sad but it happens and its better than starving

Nomad
03-03-2009, 08:51 PM
70$ to sit with you guys in the supporters section?! Id pay 15. max

While $70 is high, $15 is below face value.... good luck paying that.

Four 4 Two
03-03-2009, 08:55 PM
It's called hoarding or monopolisation. These organized criminals attempt to control all available supply so that they can artificially increase the price.

It's not a fucking service.

Organized crime?? If some dude isn't going and sells me his tickets for 2x face value he is now involved in organized crime?? Someone earlier said that that guy is a scalper. Organized crime my ass!! AND GET OFF THE WHOLE ISSUE OF BEING ILLEGAL!!!! LIKE YOU DON'T DRINK IN THE PARKING LOT PRE-GAME, BEEN DRUNK IN PUBLIC OR HEAVEN FORBID NEVER SMOKED A "J". It's not the legality here that is the issue for most of you its the fact that "REAL FANS" don't get the tickets.......eventually yes they do.

You just described TicketMaster!!

By the way, I just went to look at that dudes web site, then I went to find tickets for games from a "legit" source like TFC's website or TicketMaster and guess how many I found???? ZERO!!!!! So if I wanted a ticket to one of those games, I'm gunna pay the $70 from this guy! And them Im gunna enjoy the game! And maybe a few :drinking:

Nomad
03-03-2009, 09:00 PM
They haven't been released yet....that's why you haven't found any. No one has tickets yet, not even STHs.

Four 4 Two
03-03-2009, 09:05 PM
They haven't been released yet....that's why you haven't found any. No one has tickets yet, not even STHs.

I know, but this guy KNOWS he will have them. What am i gunna do, wait until they go on sale at ticketmaster for the one day that my buddy is in town? THey'll be sold out in seconds, what do they have... like 8 tickets that aren't part of some sort of full or partial season package? And if i want to experience the full atmosphere of the south-end, Those wont even come up for sale on ticketmaster because they are already gone.......oh, wait......if MLSE took back the tickets that this guy is selling then they would be available on Ticketmaster......BULLSHIT again. they would be gone.

Nomad
03-03-2009, 09:10 PM
I've scored tickets off of ticketmaster for 3 separate games last season, including the LA Galaxy game in section 114 (and i've never gotten a ticket that wasn't in a supporters section). They stagger the sales, as in they are available for a time, then not, then are available again. You just have to check back at the right time.

Hell, even craigslist scalpers sell for cheaper than these online guys.

Your rants are illogical and i am going to go out on a limb and label you a troll.

BakaGaijin
03-03-2009, 09:13 PM
Organized crime?? If some dude isn't going and sells me his tickets for 2x face value he is now involved in organized crime?? Someone earlier said that that guy is a scalper. Organized crime my ass!! AND GET OFF THE WHOLE ISSUE OF BEING ILLEGAL!!!! LIKE YOU DON'T DRINK IN THE PARKING LOT PRE-GAME, BEEN DRUNK IN PUBLIC OR HEAVEN FORBID NEVER SMOKED A "J". It's not the legality here that is the issue for most of you its the fact that "REAL FANS" don't get the tickets.......eventually yes they do.

You just described TicketMaster!!

By the way, I just went to look at that dudes web site, then I went to find tickets for games from a "legit" source like TFC's website or TicketMaster and guess how many I found???? ZERO!!!!! So if I wanted a ticket to one of those games, I'm gunna pay the $70 from this guy! And them Im gunna enjoy the game! And maybe a few :drinking:

I have no clue about the clown you are refering to......however, "Professional" scalpers work for the mob, the triad, the yakuza, the crips, whatever the fuck you want to call them.

They are fucking scum.

renda-10
03-03-2009, 11:51 PM
for me to get tickets to the opener i have to pay 125 a ticket in section 109

RedWookie
03-03-2009, 11:58 PM
While $70 is high, $15 is below face value.... good luck paying that.


...well ya. obviously.
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Me and Mcdannyboy plan to be at bmo field for all the home games, and if we dont get in, we count our losses and hit up shoeless joes. either way, we see the game and are with the supporters. seems like win-win to me.

H Bomb
03-03-2009, 11:58 PM
These guys make it a career to find tickets to events and pay the money up front to get them. They search for individual sellers, they buy season tix and they go and stand outside stadiums and arenas in all weather to sell them. and if I want a ticket i go to the stadium knowing that these guys will be there ready to charge me for the ticket itself and for the work they did in obtaining the ticket in the first place. Its a service. there r some people saying if these seats weren't scalped that i could still buy one from the ticket office?? BULLSHITE It would already be gone to another season ticket holder. There is a bigger waiting list for st's than there are seats that are held exclusively for the purpose of selling. I'm a fan> I'll pay for it i dont care (and i'm not rich) I yell and cheer and scream and love the game!!! I'm thankful that scalpers provide the opportunity for people who love the game to go and see a match.


worst post award

Rhode Dawg
03-04-2009, 02:06 AM
Scalpers Piss me off!!!
Having said that, they would not be in business if the demand was not there.
I have bought tickets off scalpers in the past and although I was not happy with paying more than tickets price, I knew it was the only way of acquiring the tickets I wanted.

I do not think the Scalpers are the ones to blame for the High Demand, they Unfortunately have taken advantage of the limited supply of tickets.

Scalpers would not be in business too long if there were not people out there willing to pay the inflated price they ask. If we really want to put a stop to, or at least reduce the scalping issue then maybe we (as Season tickets holders) should be more willing to sell our tickets to other fans willing to go games for our ticket price.

I am lucky enough to have multiple seats to games that I can easily sell one, two and sometimes more, tickets per game, While still attending them.

If we really want to do something about scalping, I would suggest we pool our extra tickets together per game. Designate an area where we, as supporters, sell tickets at face value right infront of the scalpers.

If this would become a norm at games, the reduction of overly high priced tickets would diminish quickly I think.

ExiledRed
03-04-2009, 02:52 AM
Where are all you guys who cant get tickets, and pay the scalpers, in mid season when Im trying to flog my extra one in 112?

I'm guilty of asking for a few bucks more sometimes (never more than ten and it's just to cover the gas back to Guelph) or for a beer instead, and the number of times I've had difficulty getting it to a desperate fan who needs a ticket is considerable.

So again, why are you guys prepared to pay double, but not prepared to to pay face value plus a beer for a seat in 112?

RedWookie
03-04-2009, 02:57 AM
i'll buy em from you

pubboy
03-04-2009, 08:56 AM
As we had a new baby last year, we often had a spare ticket (season tickets). I always put it up on the ticket exchange thing. Yeah, i only got back what i paid originally, but i'm a fan - i didnt buy season tickets to make money. I figure if i cant use my tickets, i'll sell them to a fan who wants to. Scalpers are scum and should be arrested.