Question, What defines a DP?

[Derko]

So all you TFC supporters out there, What really defines a DP?

I have read alot of comments and debate over a DP, whether TFC should sign a DP, We were promised a DP, Mo said we would!!!

I have also read alot of folks were crying sgn DeRo as our DP, we have signed DeRo for non-DP money, is that not better than blowing a wad on someone who is a big name at the end of his career?

We don't need to fill the seats.

I say sign an strong CB and develop the forwards and midfield that we have, perhaps sign one more decent non-DP striker.

Realistic banter only please!

:drinking:

[H Bomb]

salary!

[ExiledRed]

DP is a player who would be impossible to sign under $400,000

simple.

[ExiledRed]

A Designated Player at CB?

We only scored 34 goals last year, well below the league average.
We allowed in 43 goals, which was about average.

A CB wont win us games if we cant score.

[Derko]

A Designated Player at CB?

We only scored 34 goals last year, well below the league average.
We allowed in 43 goals, which was about average.

A CB wont win us games if we cant score.

True, but how many points did TFC give up in the dying minutes of games, at least enough points to have taken us into the Post-Season.

[TFC OZZ]

A DP is defined by the team that he is playing on and the support that team gets, simple as that. It's different for each team.

In our case, a DP would be defined as a talented player, making over $400,000, who contributes more to the team on the field than any other $400,000 or less player playing their position would.

For other teams, DP's are defined with an assortment of the following characteristics:
-Costs over $400,000
-Too talented to fit "comfortably" under the salary cap
-Increases leadership, and lends their experience
-Increases attendance
-Increases Merchandise sales
-Increases the LEAGUE's credibility

[Derko]

DP is a player who would be impossible to sign under $400,000

simple.

I know that, but what type of player do you consider a DP, would you be happy if Landycakes were to sign as a DP to TFC, just hypothetical.

[ExiledRed]

True, but how many points did TFC give up in the dying minutes of games, at least enough points to have taken us into the Post-Season.

Beside the point, if we were scoring more goals we would have won those games and been in the playoffs comfortably, as opposed to 'just'

[ExiledRed]

I know that, but what type of player do you consider a DP, would you be happy if Landycakes were to sign as a DP to TFC, just hypothetical.

I wouldnt take Donovan for thirty roubles. But he is a DP because he costs more than $400,000

[TFC OZZ]

I used to be completely against signing a CB as our DP, but I've actually changed my mind on this subject, and if TFC signed a good forward for less than DP money, I would love to see a Jimmy Conrad, or an Olaf Mellberg leading our defense.

[Derko]

A DP is defined by the team that he is playing on and the support that team gets, simple as that. It's different for each team.

In our case, a DP would be defined as a talented player, making over $400,000, who contributes more to the team on the field than any other $400,000 or less player playing their position would.

For other teams, DP's are defined with an assortment of the following characteristics:
-Costs over $400,000
-Too talented to fit "comfortably" under the salary cap
-Increases leadership, and lends their experience
-Increases attendance
-Increases Merchandise sales
-Increases the LEAGUE's credibility

I like your example for our case, which is where I was going with the question.
:thumbsup:

[ginkster88]

To me a DP is a WTF player, as in "WTF, how could he possibly come play in MLS, he's going to destroy the league."

[TFC OZZ]

I wouldnt take Donovan for thirty roubles. But he is a DP because he costs more than $400,000

That's just ridiculous.

[Derko]

Beside the point, if we were scoring more goals we would have won those games and been in the playoffs comfortably, as opposed to 'just'

Good point.

[Parkdale]

A DP is a game winner.

What particular task he does to win the games is determined by a number of factors, and would be different for every team. Zidane or another 'Classic 10' would be a great DP without being a big goal scorer. Hell..... if a DP GK could give us a .500 shut out ratio, that could make all the difference, provided our offense could get the job done on the other end.

[TFC OZZ]

A DP is a game winner.

What articular task he does to win the games is determined by a number of factors, and would be different for every team. Zidane or another 'Classic 10' would be a great DP without being a big goal scorer. Hell..... if a DP GK could give us a .500 shut out ratio, that could make all the difference, provided our offense could get the job done on the other end.

I can agree with that, and the fact that you don't have to score to be a game winner. As long as your contributions to the team give us a better chance of winning than any player making under $400,000.

But as an aside, assuming DeRo regains his previous good form, would you not say that he's also a game winner?

[Derko]

I am hoping DeRo does regain his form and is the game winner in many a match!!

[Ossington Mental Youth]

The effect they have on the team and the games they play vs their salary.

[ExiledRed]

That's just ridiculous.

Is it? I can't see the guy fitting in here, he would be a primadonna and a cancer in the locker room.

[MUFC_Niagara]

Beside the point, if we were scoring more goals we would have won those games and been in the playoffs comfortably, as opposed to 'just'

Leaking late goals is never "Beside the point"

[Derko]

Is it? I can't see the guy fitting in here, he would be a primadonna and a cancer in the locker room.

I agree, but I was only being hypothetical, to get to how people are thinking as far as a DP goes.

[andyc]

From my head: A DP is a player that TFC/MLSE has to pay for... I'm not being negative or MLSE bashing here, my point is all the other salary/allocations comes from the MLS bank account whereas a DP (above the $400k from the salary cap) is paid for by the club. For sure TFC are going to make 100% certain that this player can make a material difference to the clubs finances and hopefully success.

From my heart: A DP will contribute to the team on a whole different beautiful level. He'll burn memories in my brain that I will still talk about with a passion when I'm old and have the mad cow...

[TFC OZZ]

Is it? I can't see the guy fitting in here, he would be a primadonna and a cancer in the locker room.

Yes, I think it is.

I would take Donovan in a second. He has a host of achievements to his name that some soccer players only dream of, let alone MLS players.

Ya, I guess there may be a chance that he could be a bit of a pre-madonna, then again, so are a host of other attacking players in this league and around the world.

As far as calling him a cancer is concerned, I'm not quite sure how you figure that to be quite frank. I doubt that he'd be the USMNT national team captain, LA Galaxy Captain, and likely to sign with Bayern Munich to name a few, if that was the case.

The fact is, as a TFC supporter, I hate him just as much as anyone else here when he's playing for the Galaxy. However, if he were playing for us it would be a completely different story.

[mighty_torontofc_2008]

A DP is defined by the team that he is playing on and the support that team gets, simple as that. It's different for each team.

In our case, a DP would be defined as a talented player, making over $400,000, who contributes more to the team on the field than any other $400,000 or less player playing their position would.

For other teams, DP's are defined with an assortment of the following characteristics:
-Costs over $400,000
-Too talented to fit "comfortably" under the salary cap
-Increases leadership, and lends their experience
-Increases attendance
-Increases Merchandise sales
-Increases the LEAGUE's credibility


DPs are also defined:
over the hill player looking for a continued playing career
ego inflated player who wont accept less to keep playing
floats and don't produce the goods.
makes the league look foolish..sometimes.

[ExiledRed]

Yes, I think it is.

I would take Donovan in a second. He has a host of achievements to his name that some soccer players only dream of, let alone MLS players.

.

Alright, I'd take him for thirty roubles.

But not a kopek more.

[Bars92]

Pele or Beckenbauer.

[Oldtimer]

I'm glad you've started this thread, because I've been thinking about this for a while.

On a team, the effect of having a DP is a $450K hit to the salary cap.
Given that DeRo has signed for maximum non-DP money, his effect on the salary cap is the same as a DP.

If we signed a DP on top of DeRo, then we would have a $900K salary cap hit. Do we know another club where this has happened? Yep, the LA Galaxy.

I think that given we have DeRo at maximum salary, I would have to hate to dump our talented players for some no-names just so we could fit under the cap. the best thing would be to add non-DP players, at this point. Mo is doing the right thing to scout in cheaper leagues for under-paid talent. For example, having seen that Joe Public striker in action, I'd say that he has potential to be a good player (if given good coaching and a better team than Joe Public).

Now, if the league raises the cap significantly, or reduces the DP salary-cap hit, then we should start talking DP.:cool:

[Cashcleaner]

Obviously, in the strictest sense of the term according to he league, a designated player is anyone signed by a team for any amount of their choosing with only $400,000 being counted against that team's salary cap.

Expanding on that point, I would argue that a DP is any player signed for a team that typically displays a calibre of talent and skill well above the average of the league and who's salary reflects that particular degree of quality on the pitch.

Of course, nothing is certain when we discuss DPs and their potential impact on a team, but as a generality, they are players who are signed with the intention to excel at whatever position they play in.

[Parkdale]

DPs are also defined:
over the hill player looking for a continued playing career
ego inflated player who wont accept less to keep playing
floats and don't produce the goods.
makes the league look foolish..sometimes.

glad to see you're staying positive

[rocker]

yes Oldtimer.. but the way Mojo uses the allocation money, you could lower the contracts of various players, which indirectly "lowers" De Rosario's salary (at least for a season) and thus makes the DP cap hit less onerous.

[TFCREDNWHITE]

I'm glad you've started this thread, because I've been thinking about this for a while.

On a team, the effect of having a DP is a $450K hit to the salary cap.
Given that DeRo has signed for maximum non-DP money, his effect on the salary cap is the same as a DP.

If we signed a DP on top of DeRo, then we would have a $900K salary cap hit. Do we know another club where this has happened? Yep, the LA Galaxy.



Yeah but we had almost a million dollars in allocation that needed to be used!

[TFCREDNWHITE]

I know that, but what type of player do you consider a DP, would you be happy if Landycakes were to sign as a DP to TFC, just hypothetical.

Example of players that would be DP's...

GK:
1. Casillas (Real Madrid),
2. Buffon (Juve),
3. Cech (Chelsea),
4. Frey (Fiorentina),
5. Reina (Liverpool).

DR:
1. Ramos (Madrid),
2. Dani Alves (Barca),
3. Maicon (Inter),
4. Sagna (Arsenal),
5. Bosingwa (Chelsea).

DL:
1. Evra (Man United),
2. Clichy (Arsenal),
3. Lahm (Bayern),
4. Abidal (Barca),
5. Zambrotta (Milan).

DC:
1. Vidic (Man United),
2. Puyol (Barca),
3. Ferdinand (Man United),
4. Carvalho (Chelsea),
5. Legrotaglie (Juve).

ML/MR:
1. Messi (Barca),
2. Ronaldo (Man United),
3. Mancini (Inter),
4. Ribery (Bayern),
5. Robinho (City).

DM:
1. Cambiasso (Inter),
2. Essien (Chelsea),
3. Gattuso (Milan),
4. Mascherano (Liverpool),
5. Toure (Barca).

MC/AMC-
1. Kaka (Milan),
2. Gerrard (Liverpool),
3. Ronaldinho (Milan - best AMC, not as complete as the two above though),
4. Xavi (Barca),
5. Iniesta (Barca).

ST:
1. Henry (Barcelona),
2. Villa (Valencia),
3. Torres (Liverpool),
4. Rooney (Man United),
5. Zlatan (Inter).

Those would ALL be DP's!!!

[TorontoBlades]

So all you TFC supporters out there, What really defines a DP?


:drinking:


what happened to the good old days on the board when the answer to this question would be....


....two girls, one cup!

[Parkdale]

Example of players that would be DP's...

GK:
1. Casillas (Real Madrid),
2. Buffon (Juve),
3. Cech (Chelsea),
4. Frey (Fiorentina),
5. Reina (Liverpool).

DR:
1. Ramos (Madrid),
2. Dani Alves (Barca),
3. Maicon (Inter),
4. Sagna (Arsenal),
5. Bosingwa (Chelsea).

DL:
1. Evra (Man United),
2. Clichy (Arsenal),
3. Lahm (Bayern),
4. Abidal (Barca),
5. Zambrotta (Milan).

DC:
1. Vidic (Man United),
2. Puyol (Barca),
3. Ferdinand (Man United),
4. Carvalho (Chelsea),
5. Legrotaglie (Juve).

ML/MR:
1. Messi (Barca),
2. Ronaldo (Man United),
3. Mancini (Inter),
4. Ribery (Bayern),
5. Robinho (City).

DM:
1. Cambiasso (Inter),
2. Essien (Chelsea),
3. Gattuso (Milan),
4. Mascherano (Liverpool),
5. Toure (Barca).

MC/AMC-
1. Kaka (Milan),
2. Gerrard (Liverpool),
3. Ronaldinho (Milan - best AMC, not as complete as the two above though),
4. Xavi (Barca),
5. Iniesta (Barca).

ST:
1. Henry (Barcelona),
2. Villa (Valencia),
3. Torres (Liverpool),
4. Rooney (Man United),
5. Zlatan (Inter).

Those would ALL be DP's!!!


a DP doesn't have to come from the top 1% of current worldwide players.
There are lots of guys who could make a huge impact without being in that
upper echelon that you listed. There are lots of players outside that 'dream team'
would would be a great fit for us.

[TFCREDNWHITE]

a DP doesn't have to come from the top 1% of current worldwide players.
There are lots of guys who could make a huge impact without being in that
upper echelon that you listed. There are lots of players outside that 'dram team'
would would be a great fit for us.

Absolutely, fully agree. Just providing a quick list of definite DP's....

[Parkdale]

oh yeah... there's no question that Messi would be a great DP, but the odds of getting him are slim to none.

I'd be ecstatic with a slightly less well know player like Drogba, Anelka or Vieira

[brad]

a DP doesn't have to come from the top 1% of current worldwide players.
There are lots of guys who could make a huge impact without being in that
upper echelon that you listed. There are lots of players outside that 'dream team'
would would be a great fit for us.


Schelotto comes to mind...

[BFin]

"Question, what defines a DP?"

1) A Friday Night
2) A frat party
3) Roofie Colada

I believe that's a university recipe.

[Cambridge_Red]

A DP is when one woman... whoops.. glad I just read the previous posts! :eek:

[BlizzardBhoy]

Usually involves 2 guys and 1 girl

[BlizzardBhoy]

Damn - It's already been cracked!