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nimamalek
01-19-2009, 10:05 AM
according to the footy blog

Pablo Vitti close to joining TFC (http://my.thescore.com/footyblog/archive/2009/01/19/6655.aspx)

Last week when Mo Johnston dropped another future TFC player as '90% per cent locked up' many people proceeded down the path of caution following the number of players in the past who didn't arrive despite being close.
However, from what I am hearing this one is very close to be done. The identity of the mystery South American striker is Argentine Pablo Vitti, a 23-year-old forward who played at BMO Field last summer for Independiente. Vitti, who was once one of the country's most promising talents, represented Argentina in the Under 20 World Cup in 2005.
Johnston is currently negotiating with Vitti over the move which is expected to be on loan.
Kristian Jack

alexintoronto
01-19-2009, 10:10 AM
Pablo Vitti is an Argentine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina) football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(soccer)) striker. He was born on July 9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_9), 1985 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985), in the city of Rosario (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosario) in the Santa Fe Province (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe_Province) of Argentina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina). He currently plays for Chornomorets Odessa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Chornomorets_Odessa) of the Ukrainian Premier League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Premier_League).
Vitti was part of the Argentina Under-20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina_national_under-20_football_team) squad that won the 2005 FIFA World Youth Championship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_FIFA_World_Youth_Championship) in Holland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holland).
Vitti started his career at hometown club Rosario Central (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosario_Central). He made his breakthrough into the canallas first team in 2004, where he was a consistent goal scorer and was rewarded with the number 10 shirt. Vitti was considered one of the most promising youngsters in the Argentine First Division, but his progression has been halted slightly in recent seasons, making only eleven appearances for his new club Banfield during the 2007 clausura championship without scoring a single goal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Vitti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Vitti)

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03ib7zjbH4f8g/340x.jpg

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/53053582.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=780858ABC91EC214A4D23994085F8EDAA40A659CEC4C8CB6

gmacpheetfc
01-19-2009, 10:11 AM
he's one ugly mothaF***er

Nodoubtguy
01-19-2009, 10:11 AM
1 goal since 2006 according to wikipedia (yeah, I know you can't always trust wikipedia, but I'm just saying....)

BFin
01-19-2009, 10:17 AM
Honestly, I was expecting an older proven player...not a 23 year old who doesn't score. Wasn't that what JArrod Smith was for?

Pigfynn
01-19-2009, 10:22 AM
Honestly, I was expecting an older proven player...not a 23 year old who doesn't score. Wasn't that what JArrod Smith was for?


Ok, hang on...let's just calm down and remember M...............L...........S!
guys.

This guy has the best chance so far in his short carreer to get it done. He will have more time and space then he has ever had.

All I'm saying is give the dude a chance.


Oh and I found this interview with the guy...no idea waht he's saying though. Does someone know?

http://video.msn.com/dw.aspx?mkt=es-us&brand=latino&from=truveo&vid=bb73f4e9-19a5-4250-9edd-767fddc926c0

Shaughno
01-19-2009, 10:30 AM
From what I remember this guy was creating problems with our backline when we played them. Good speed, great vision. Hopefully he fits right in.

Lucky Strike
01-19-2009, 10:33 AM
Ok, hang on...let's just calm down and remember M...............L...........S!
guys.

This guy has the best chance so far in his short carreer to get it done. He will have more time and space then he has ever had.

All I'm saying is give the dude a chance.


Oh and I found this interview with the guy...no idea waht he's saying though. Does someone know?

http://video.msn.com/dw.aspx?mkt=es-us&brand=latino&from=truveo&vid=bb73f4e9-19a5-4250-9edd-767fddc926c0

Agreed 100%. Mo can't ever win because is he was something like 31 or 32, people would be saying he's too old. Or he's too young/unproven. Or, he has temper issues, or had a major injury recently, or didn't have a good year last year so he must be over the hill, or... you get the idea.

Here we have Mo going after: 1) a non-brit, 2) someone who plays elsewhere than the UK, 3) a south american like many people claim we should look harder at, 4) a player who's not over the hill. That meets/satisfies a lot of the criticism about Mo's international targets doesn't it?

Shaughno
01-19-2009, 10:35 AM
Agreed 100%. Mo can't ever win because is he was something like 31 or 32, people would be saying he's too old. Or he's too young/unproven. Or, he has temper issues, or had a major injury recently, or didn't have a good year last year so he must be over the hill, or... you get the idea.

Here we have Mo going after: 1) a non-brit, 2) someone who plays elsewhere than the UK, 3) a south american like many people claim we should look harder at, 4) a player who's not over the hill. That meets/satisfies a lot of the criticism about Mo's international targets doesn't it?


Exactly, not only that but this kid has recognized talent. Playing in South America is a completely different game than the MLS and if he can adapt, he should be able to create a lot of problems with the opposition defense. Especially if he works alongside a more powerful presence like Dichio or to a lesser extent Barrett.

Pigfynn
01-19-2009, 10:35 AM
Oh, and if all goes well....something with Vitti Vitti Bang Bang!! in it outta work :)



:drunk:

Super
01-19-2009, 10:38 AM
We're the Pulp Fiction of football. When your career has hit a slump we'll pick you right up again!

Shaughno
01-19-2009, 10:39 AM
Work it Jonboy...



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Azerban
01-19-2009, 10:39 AM
well if he can't score in argentina how will he ever survive in the much superior major league of soccer

Cashcleaner
01-19-2009, 10:40 AM
Not feeling it with this guy. If this rumour is even true, that is. Of course, maybe Mo is seeing some potential in him that nobody else has, but looking at his record, its far from stellar.

trane
01-19-2009, 10:41 AM
I do not know this dude, but the striker rate is not impressive from what I see.

Lucky Strike
01-19-2009, 10:42 AM
Not feeling it with this guy. If this rumour is even true, that is. Of course, maybe Mo is seeing some potential in him that nobody else has, but looking at his record, its far from stellar.

Speaking of record, can anyone copy and paste his wiki here? For some reason, I can't open it.

Beach_Red
01-19-2009, 10:42 AM
Not feeling it with this guy. If this rumour is even true, that is. Of course, maybe Mo is seeing some potential in him that nobody else has, but looking at his record, its far from stellar.

It seems like lots of people have seen potential in this guy - what they haven't seen is results. Let's hope that can happen here.

Shaughno
01-19-2009, 10:43 AM
Not feeling it with this guy. If this rumour is even true, that is. Of course, maybe Mo is seeing some potential in him that nobody else has, but looking at his record, its far from stellar.


Potential that nobody else has seen? He was hyped similarly but not quite the to the same level of Messi when he was playing for the U20's, I'd say that doesn't quite meet the 'nobody else has' requirements.

He's a technical player, and has been a #10 the last couple years from what I've read. Might mean that the teams he has played for hasn't been able to use him as a striker but instead an AM. Could mean a verstile player similar to DeRo in style of play.

.J.B.
01-19-2009, 10:43 AM
1 goal since 2006 according to wikipedia (yeah, I know you can't always trust wikipedia, but I'm just saying....)
Maybe he's a playmaker rather than an out and out finisher

Shaughno
01-19-2009, 10:44 AM
Pablo Vitti is an Argentine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina) football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(soccer)) striker. He was born on July 9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_9), 1985 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985), in the city of Rosario (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosario) in the Santa Fe Province (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe_Province) of Argentina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina). He currently plays for Chornomorets Odessa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Chornomorets_Odessa) of the Ukrainian Premier League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Premier_League).
Vitti was part of the Argentina Under-20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina_national_under-20_football_team) squad that won the 2005 FIFA World Youth Championship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_FIFA_World_Youth_Championship) in Holland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holland).
Vitti started his career at hometown club Rosario Central (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosario_Central). He made his breakthrough into the canallas first team in 2004, where he was a consistent goal scorer and was rewarded with the number 10 shirt. Vitti was considered one of the most promising youngsters in the Argentine First Division, but his progression has been halted slightly in recent seasons, making only eleven appearances for his new club Banfield during the 2007 clausura championship without scoring a single goal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Vitti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Vitti)

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03ib7zjbH4f8g/340x.jpg

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/53053582.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=780858ABC91EC214A4D23994085F8EDAA40A659CEC4C8CB6


See above ;)


Speaking of record, can anyone copy and paste his wiki here? For some reason, I can't open it.

Nodoubtguy
01-19-2009, 10:45 AM
Maybe he's a playmaker rather than an out and out finisher

thats understandable......but is that what we need??

Nodoubtguy
01-19-2009, 10:46 AM
Speaking of record, can anyone copy and paste his wiki here? For some reason, I can't open it.

Senior clubs
Years Club App (Gls)*
2003-2006 Rosario Central 74 (13)
2006-2008 Banfield 15 (0)
2008 Independiente 2 (0)
2008-present Chornomorets Odessa 6 (1)

National team
2005 Argentina U-20 3 (0)

deltox
01-19-2009, 10:48 AM
so he played for his country for U20's - that cant be that bad.

Lucky Strike
01-19-2009, 10:51 AM
Never mind on the wiki request: the French works. On his goal scoring record:

13 goals in 74 apps at Rosario: keep in mind he was 18 when he started and 21 when he left. Most footballers aren't at their peak then.

0 goals in 15 apps at Banfield: I think most people are assuming those are starts. What if they're mostly substitutions where he came in at the 70th minute? Okay, he still didn't score but you get my point.

Independiente: he has two apps on a traditional argentine footballing power, can't really judge him there

EDIT: though I managed to get it to work, thank you guys for helping me out. :D

Cashcleaner
01-19-2009, 10:52 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/Cashcleaner/vitti.png

ESPN has some expanded info on his more recent record.

Azerban
01-19-2009, 10:52 AM
*looks at wiki*

here is my incredibly educated and nuanced view on this player and why he's too shit to join us,

DOMIN8R
01-19-2009, 10:52 AM
I'm assuming he is is non-DP. Is that correct?

And, how does a "loan" from another club impact our salary cap space?

rocker
01-19-2009, 10:53 AM
i don't drink the South American Kool-Aid, since South Americans regularly fail in MLS as much as they succeed (see: DC united, RSL, NYRB for examples).

but Vitti hasn't received many starting opportunities in the past two years, so I won't rush to judgement based on incomplete information. Independiente is a pretty massive club and he would have to do a lot to get playing time with them.

I do agree with Lucky Strike that this signing would totally go against what people say about Mo Johnston's usual signings.

Flipityflu
01-19-2009, 10:54 AM
i look forward to seeing him play. we need a little flair.

Nodoubtguy
01-19-2009, 10:54 AM
so he played for his country for U20's - that cant be that bad.

especially when your country is Argentina.

Looking at the roster of that 2005 Argentina U-20 team....Messi, Aguero, Gago, Garay, Zabaleta, Ustari....and our kid!!!

Lucky Strike
01-19-2009, 10:55 AM
I'm assuming he is is non-DP. Is that correct?

And, how does a "loan" from another club impact our salary cap space?

I don't know exactly, though if there's a loan fee I imagine that can be paid with allocation. As for the salary, the two clubs must come to an agreement on who pays his wages while he's on loan.

Though if I'm TFC and the loan fee can be paid with allocation money, I negotiate to have a bigger loan fee and have the other club pay his wages. That's assuming they impact the cap at all.

Cashcleaner
01-19-2009, 10:56 AM
*looks at wiki*

here is my incredibly educated and nuanced view on this player and why he's too shit to join us,

So you're saying that on the flip side, despite all the info indicating he's a pretty average player he'll become the next superstar because you want him to be?

rocker
01-19-2009, 10:57 AM
So you're saying that on the flip side, despite all the info indicating he's a pretty average player he'll become the next superstar because you want him to be?

who said he'll be a superstar?

tfc
01-19-2009, 10:57 AM
Loving this, hope he's signed.

At the very least we get another guy around Barretts ability, and considering we were stuck using Ibbe last season, that is good enough for me. His upside potential is probably much higher than Barrett too, so it will be interesting to see what this guy can do with some regular starts.

Flipityflu
01-19-2009, 10:58 AM
why don't we wait till he puts on a red shirt.

Cashcleaner
01-19-2009, 11:00 AM
who said he'll be a superstar?

Who said he'd be shit?

rocker
01-19-2009, 11:01 AM
Who said he'd be shit?

what are you talking about?

you have a weird way of communicating. nobody say he was shit either.

you said azerban said he would be a superstar and that azerban wanted him to be a superstar.
I said "who said he'd be a superstar." the strawman argument thing isn't workin for ya ;)

Nobody said he is gonna be a superstar or that he'll be a bust. You said his record is less than stellar. Fine. think what people are thinking is he has potential to be better in MLS because he was in a better league (Argentine). so he's taking a step down and getting playing time if he comes to MLS. I'm saying I have no real opinion cuz of other factors (he didn't play much, mostly as a sub), and I want to see him play first.

tfc
01-19-2009, 11:02 AM
Who said he'd be shit?

ummm you? :p

BFin
01-19-2009, 11:03 AM
Who said he'd be shit?
Who says it's even close to a done deal?
No point in arguing over nothing at this point.

Cashcleaner
01-19-2009, 11:04 AM
Guys, all you have to do is go back a page and read this post:


*looks at wiki*

here is my incredibly educated and nuanced view on this player and why he's too shit to join us,

Azerban seemed to have gotten all that from such quotes as, "Not feeling it with this guy." or "...The striker rate is not impressive from what I see."

To me, those remarks really don't seem like unfair shots at the guy.

nimamalek
01-19-2009, 11:08 AM
How many %90 done deals did we have last year? lets not get worked up over this one until its done, there will be enough time to argue if he gets signed. I think %90 in TFC land is %25 in the real world.

rocker
01-19-2009, 11:10 AM
How many %90 done deals did we have last year? lets not get worked up over this one until its done, there will be enough time to argue if he gets signed. I think %90 in TFC land is %25 in the real world.

hahaha. true. that's why I don't get too hyped or too critical of any of this.
let the poor guy get signed first, then let the poor guy actually play a game or two before we judge. cuz there'll be lots of time to judge! (see: Andy Welsh and Colin Samuel).

who knows what a guy can do when he comes to a lower league.. Ricketts just destroyed his career record for goals in a season in 1 year in MLS....

supernothingman
01-19-2009, 11:13 AM
We need a mercurial finisher but I guess we’ll take whatever we can get.

Cashcleaner
01-19-2009, 11:16 AM
We need a mercurial finisher but I guess we’ll take whatever we can get.

Not the attitude we need. We should be thinking "We need a mercurial finisher and that's exactly what we'll get."

supernothingman
01-19-2009, 11:18 AM
Vitti, who was once one of the country's most promising talents...

Not to play Devil's advocate: that type of statement is usually a bad sign.

supernothingman
01-19-2009, 11:21 AM
Not the attitude we need. We should be thinking "We need a mercurial finisher and that's exactly what we'll get."

I agree with you, I'll keep my vitriol to myself.

Cashcleaner
01-19-2009, 11:22 AM
No no, its cool. The World Wide Web is run on vitriol. :D

Beach_Red
01-19-2009, 11:23 AM
At the very least we get another guy around Barretts ability, and considering we were stuck using Ibbe last season, that is good enough for me. His upside potential is probably much higher than Barrett too, so it will be interesting to see what this guy can do with some regular starts.

And he won't be lost to national team games....

trane
01-19-2009, 11:24 AM
I am not going to be down on this guy, again his strike rate is poor, there may all kinds of reasons for that it could be that he was mostly coming in late in the game, he may be a playmakers, and the truth is that in the MLS he may be able to excell. But first impressions are underwelming to say the least. If we had signed a proven youngish stirker, and then added someone like this I would be all for it. But I hope that he is not our solution at striker, because that is speculative at best. I would be more excited if he is supposed to be a playmaker, to grow into Guevarra's role as he gets older.

brad
01-19-2009, 11:25 AM
Not to play Devil's advocate: that type of statement is usually a bad sign.

At least they haven't called him the next Maradona, which tends to the Argentinian football equivalent of the kiss of death..

Ossington Mental Youth
01-19-2009, 11:26 AM
We are not going to get ARgentinas current most promising talent.
As others said he obviously didnt get alot of playing time at two of the countries bigger clubs which at that age is difficult to do.
Im excited about this signing, we've done not too bad with outcasts (Ricketts, Guevara, Robert being the odd one out really) and this could be the chance he needs. At very worst we send him packing, at best we get a top 3 scorer, ideally we buy his ass asap if thats the case. People gotta chill as we really dont know anything about the dude and he does fit the criteria for alot of previous demands on here.

TorontoBlades
01-19-2009, 11:27 AM
We are Toronto FC of the MLS - we look for potential....the proven guys go to Barcelona....

bdiddy
01-19-2009, 11:32 AM
Barca-Miami ;)?

BFin
01-19-2009, 11:32 AM
We are Toronto FC of the MLS - we look for potential....the proven guys go to Barcelona....
So does the most promising talent in Argentina...just saying.

Nodoubtguy
01-19-2009, 11:35 AM
So does the most promising talent in Argentina...just saying.

If anyone believes we ever have a chance at getting one of the top Argentinian talents.....they are on another planet!!! We are the MLS, we offer MLS wages and MLS exposure.....we are not Europe and will not be for a looooooong time. We get young scraps and older players on their way to Florida retirement homes.

Shaughno
01-19-2009, 11:36 AM
We are Toronto FC of the MLS - we look for potential....the proven guys go to Barcelona....


A fucking men.... you douchebag. :lol:

Corpand
01-19-2009, 11:37 AM
Dont forget, if he comes to play for TFC it will be the smallest club he's played at. Im sure Mo saw something in him that we're clearly missing.

Stryker
01-19-2009, 11:39 AM
So lets say this is our guy and he does well and scores 10 goals.
Then we try and sign him for good? MLS is as cranky about transfer fees. Can MLSE step up and pay a transfer fee? Whats the rule on that?
:noidea:

brad
01-19-2009, 11:42 AM
If anyone believes we ever have a chance at getting one of the top Argentinian talents.....they are on another planet!!! We are the MLS, we offer MLS wages and MLS exposure.....we are not Europe and will not be for a looooooong time. We get young scraps and older players on their way to Florida retirement homes.

Agreed.

I'm actually quiet excited by the fact that we are looking at a player that got a look into the Argentinian U-20 squad. There are *a lot* of young players there, and that alone speaks volumes.

Stats themselves don't tell the whole story. Case and point - anyone recognize this number:

63 Apps / 5 goals

Dichio's stats from Preston North End before joining us.

Ossington Mental Youth
01-19-2009, 11:42 AM
I think that a) they wont take a player on loan unless they have serious intentions on buying and b) we have some of that edu money in our pockets which can be used for transfers (correct me if im wrong) and i do think the argentinian dollar (peso?) is significantly lower than our dollar so he should be affordable

brad
01-19-2009, 11:43 AM
So lets say this is our guy and he does well and scores 10 goals.
Then we try and sign him for good? MLS is as cranky about transfer fees. Can MLSE step up and pay a transfer fee? Whats the rule on that?
:noidea:

Who's to say his contract won't expire by the time we need to sign him.

Pigfynn
01-19-2009, 11:44 AM
Agreed.

I'm actually quiet excited by the fact that we are looking at a player that got a look into the Argentinian U-20 squad. There are *a lot* of young players there, and that alone speaks volumes.

Stats themselves don't tell the whole story. Case and point - anyone recognize this number:

63 Apps / 5 goals

Dichio's stats from Preston North End before joining us.



Again a lot of those were sub appearances.

Nodoubtguy
01-19-2009, 11:47 AM
Agreed.

I'm actually quiet excited by the fact that we are looking at a player that got a look into the Argentinian U-20 squad. There are *a lot* of young players there, and that alone speaks volumes.


....and not just any U-20 squad, but their U-20 World Cup Squad.

deltox
01-19-2009, 11:53 AM
why don't we wait till he puts on a red shirt.


does the same go fro DERO?

Nodoubtguy
01-19-2009, 11:54 AM
does the same go fro DERO?

I think with DeRo, its not a matter of "if", but more like "when".....

Oldtimer
01-19-2009, 11:56 AM
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Again a lot of those were sub appearances.

So Mo signed Dichio, a guy who wasn't even a starter?
What a moron!!! :rolleyes:

TorontoBlades
01-19-2009, 12:02 PM
A fucking men.... you douchebag. :lol:

Takes one to know one :canada:

Azerban
01-19-2009, 12:02 PM
Azerban seemed to have gotten all that from such quotes as, "Not feeling it with this guy." or "...The striker rate is not impressive from what I see."

To me, those remarks really don't seem like unfair shots at the guy.

it's unfair to judge anyone by wikipedia

everyone stop judging people by wikipedia

Cashcleaner
01-19-2009, 12:04 PM
^ Yes, Dad. :p

BFin
01-19-2009, 12:04 PM
it's unfair to judge anyone by wikipedia

everyone stop judging people by wikipedia
I wikipedia'd 'Azerban'...to no results. You sir are irrelevant based on your wikipedia page...:p

supernothingman
01-19-2009, 12:06 PM
it's unfair to judge anyone by wikipedia

everyone stop judging people by wikipedia

But Wikipedia is part of our advanced scouting system!

Shaughno
01-19-2009, 12:06 PM
Takes one to know one :canada:


Truesay my friend, truesay :lol:

Cashcleaner
01-19-2009, 12:07 PM
But Wikipedia is part of our advanced scouting system!

Yeah, I heard that's all Mo uses!

H Bomb
01-19-2009, 12:08 PM
it's unfair to judge anyone by wikipedia

everyone stop judging people by wikipedia

More than this I wonder why we need to editorialize everything that comes our way. Why is it that we need it to be good or bad news instantly...it's simply news at this point. Every one of us here is too uninformed to make a real evaluation, and it doesn't matter what your feelings are about it....whether they be bad or good. Don't get me wrong, i'm excited about it, but not because i think he'll do well, but because I know fuck all about it and the anticipation is half the fun.

Oldtimer
01-19-2009, 12:08 PM
So lets say this is our guy and he does well and scores 10 goals.
Then we try and sign him for good? MLS is as cranky about transfer fees. Can MLSE step up and pay a transfer fee? Whats the rule on that?
:noidea:

They can use allocation cash to pay fees, but it needs FO approval. They've approved a few in the past, but not too many.

Oldtimer
01-19-2009, 12:09 PM
Yeah, I heard that's all Mo uses!

:lol:

He should be using the advanced FIFA 09 system! That's what the wisest posters here use!!!

CretanBull
01-19-2009, 12:11 PM
So lets say this is our guy and he does well and scores 10 goals.
Then we try and sign him for good? MLS is as cranky about transfer fees. Can MLSE step up and pay a transfer fee? Whats the rule on that?
:noidea:

We change our name to the "Galaxy" for a day, and all the 'rules' go out the window and we get whoever we want, how ever we want ;)

supernothingman
01-19-2009, 12:12 PM
Yeah, I heard that's all Mo uses!

Plus YouTube, if the talent warrants it.

Cashcleaner
01-19-2009, 12:12 PM
FIFA 09 far superior to wiki. Totally agreed, Oldtimer.

Carver: Mr. Johnston, I really need you to work on getting me a good finishing Forward.
Mo: Sorry John, I cannae do it just now.
Carver: Why's that? What's wrong?
Mo: Internet is down.
Carver: (Walks off muttering to self) *grumble*...passed up Newcastle for this...*grumble*

Azerban
01-19-2009, 12:13 PM
:lol:

He should be using the advanced FIFA 09 system! That's what the wisest posters here use!!!

umm, you know it's football manager, that's the one the guys use in the big leagues

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/82709-everton-to-scout-new-wayne-rooney-through-computer-game

BFin
01-19-2009, 12:14 PM
More than this I wonder why we need to editorialize everything that comes our way. Why is it that we need it to be good or bad news instantly...it's simply news at this point. Every one of us here is too uninformed to make a real evaluation, and it doesn't matter what your feelings are about it....whether they be bad or good. Don't get me wrong, i'm excited about it, but not because i think he'll do well, but because I know fuck all about it and the anticipation is half the fun.
I do believe the point of a forum is to create discussion. No one is asking anyone to like or dislike their opinion, but an open forum is generally a good place to state how you feel. And I would say it really does matter what a lot of people on this board feel about every TFC move, you know being one of the biggest supporting groups, and thus being a rather large source of revenue for the club. If we aren't supposed to post opinions on here related to moves by the club, then what is the point? To oggle less than attractive sunshine girls while trying to kill the day at work? Speculation is better than degradation.

Azerban
01-19-2009, 12:15 PM
also guys, if he comes on loan, then by MLS rules it HAS to be with an option to buy

so he's young, he probably won't break the bank since he's on loan, if he's shit he's out the door, and if he's great we have an avenue to keep him forever and forever (or 2 more years)

there is no downside to this

BFin
01-19-2009, 12:16 PM
We change our name to the "Galaxy" for a day, and all the 'rules' go out the window and we get whoever we want, how ever we want ;)
hahah I could not agree with you more here. "Oh wait, celebrities will ACTUALLY come see ONE game a year if we pay David Beckham $25 million?!?! Deal..."

BFin
01-19-2009, 12:16 PM
also guys, if he comes on loan, then by MLS rules it HAS to be with an option to buy

so he's young, he probably won't break the bank since he's on loan, if he's shit he's out the door, and if he's great we have an avenue to keep him forever and forever (or 2 more years)

there is no downside to this
so inherently, it's like an extended tryout?

Stryker
01-19-2009, 12:16 PM
We change our name to the "Galaxy" for a day, and all the 'rules' go out the window and we get whoever we want, how ever we want ;)

Yeah no kidding eh. Maybe we can use "Edu dollars".


:lol:
He should be using the advanced FIFA 09 system! That's what the wisest posters here use!!!
Actually I did check thank you. :lol:
Not to scout him but because I like my rosters accurate and I wanted to see if he's currently in the game. He's not.
I did create him though and hes now waiting for something offical in the free agent pool. :p

Stryker
01-19-2009, 12:20 PM
also guys, if he comes on loan, then by MLS rules it HAS to be with an option to buy

Didn't know that. Thanks.:)

Chewy Unikronik
01-19-2009, 12:57 PM
Geez... I don't think some people will be satisfied with anyone Mo brings in, until he signs Jesus!

Pigfynn
01-19-2009, 01:00 PM
Geez... I don't think some people will be satisfied with anyone Mo brings in, until he signs Jesus!

Well he's not from the UK, but can he finish?

dantdot
01-19-2009, 01:02 PM
Geez... I don't think some people will be satisfied with anyone Mo brings in, until he signs Jesus!

But we have enough goalies...

/obligatory

Azerban
01-19-2009, 01:02 PM
Geez... I don't think some people will be satisfied with anyone Mo brings in, until he signs Jesus!

too old/history of injuries (though he recovers well)

Lucky Strike
01-19-2009, 01:02 PM
But we have enough goalies...

/obligatory

Yup, I was waiting for that.

RPB_RED_NATION_RPB
01-19-2009, 01:04 PM
From what I remember this guy was creating problems with our backline when we played them. Good speed, great vision. Hopefully he fits right in.

you have a great memory...jay!:D

Pigfynn
01-19-2009, 01:04 PM
too old/history of injuries (though he recovers well)


you win!!!:smilielol5:

Stryker
01-19-2009, 01:06 PM
http://walkingthefenceline.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/jesus-soccer.jpg

BFin
01-19-2009, 01:07 PM
He's been training hard I see, must have been working with Velez in the offseason :)

VPjr
01-19-2009, 01:11 PM
I don't know how many of you have seen Vitti play (other than his appearance for Independiente vs. TFC).

I have seen him play a few times when he was with Rosario Central. I remember him quite well when he played for Rosario and I recall his transfer to Banfield as being a pretty big move at the time. I wondered what happened to his career after that move to Banfield because I liked what I saw when he was with Rosario. I was shocked to see him in Toronto vs. Independiente. Other than Independiente's GK that night, he was one of the few recognizeable names that Independiente dressed (many of those players that night were youth players).

5 years ago, this kid was being compared to a whole slew of great Argentine #9's (i.e. Crespo) when they were his age. He was on the same gold medal Argentine squad in 2005 as stars like Lionel Messi, Pablo Zabaleta, Neri Cardozo, Fernando Gago and Sergio Aguero and was earmarked to be a key player on that team but by the end of that tournament, he was relegated to the bench.

At 18-19 years old, this kid had the making of a very good pro who was destined for a lucrative career in Europe. Something happened to him along the way. Hopefully if he does come to TFC, he'll recapture the flashes of brilliance he displayed at Rosario

Nuvinho
01-19-2009, 01:11 PM
We are getting Paul Vitti??

Nodoubtguy
01-19-2009, 01:17 PM
I don't know how many of you have seen Vitti play (other than his appearance for Independiente vs. TFC).

I have seen him play a few times when he was with Rosario Central. I remember him quite well when he played for Rosario and I recall his transfer to Banfield as being a pretty big move at the time. I wondered what happened to his career after that move to Banfield because I liked what I saw when he was with Rosario. I was shocked to see him in Toronto vs. Independiente. Other than Independiente's GK that night, he was one of the few recognizeable names that Independiente dressed (many of those players that night were youth players).

5 years ago, this kid was being compared to a whole slew of great Argentine #9's (i.e. Crespo) when they were his age. He was on the same gold medal Argentine squad in 2005 as stars like Lionel Messi, Pablo Zabaleta, Neri Cardozo, Fernando Gago and Sergio Aguero and was earmarked to be a key player on that team but by the end of that tournament, he was relegated to the bench.

At 18-19 years old, this kid had the making of a very good pro who was destined for a lucrative career in Europe. Something happened to him along the way. Hopefully if he does come to TFC, he'll recapture the flashes of brilliance he displayed at Rosario

Thanks for that......really nice to get some info from someone who's seen him play

Shaughno
01-19-2009, 01:21 PM
Thanks for that......really nice to get some info from someone who's seen him play


He scored the goal against us in the friendly against Inde. ;)

Keyman
01-19-2009, 01:26 PM
Cool, he sounds like he possesses skills that we don't really have up front at the moment. From what I've read, he has pace and an eye for goal, and usually just those two attributes alone can produce a successful player in this league. Remember, just like Jesus, Major League Soccer turns water into wine.

I can't wait to actually see him play, since I wasn't able to this summer.

brad
01-19-2009, 01:28 PM
I don't know how many of you have seen Vitti play (other than his appearance for Independiente vs. TFC).


I saw him a couple of times at the U-20 World Cup. While I don't remember him specifically (I was too much in awe watching Banega and Aguero), I do remember that he was the player that slotted in for Zarate when he injured himself, and everyone was saying that Zarate wasn't missed.

EDIT: Scratch this whole thing - I'm thinking of Pablo Piatti.

supernothingman
01-19-2009, 01:38 PM
Geez... I don't think some people will be satisfied with anyone Mo brings in, until he signs Jesus!

Heard he's great with crosses.

Shaughno
01-19-2009, 01:42 PM
Heard he's great with crosses.


Nails 'em every time.

Pigfynn
01-19-2009, 01:44 PM
:smilielol5::smilielol5::smilielol5::smilielol5:

trane
01-19-2009, 01:45 PM
^Mancity has already tried to sing him. He refused the offer.

Shaughno
01-19-2009, 01:47 PM
^Mancity has already tried to sing him. He refused the offer.

I heard he refused because not even he could work miracles at such a MASSIVE club. ;)

Roogsy
01-19-2009, 01:50 PM
Agreed 100%. Mo can't ever win because is he was something like 31 or 32, people would be saying he's too old. Or he's too young/unproven. Or, he has temper issues, or had a major injury recently, or didn't have a good year last year so he must be over the hill, or... you get the idea.

Here we have Mo going after: 1) a non-brit, 2) someone who plays elsewhere than the UK, 3) a south american like many people claim we should look harder at, 4) a player who's not over the hill. That meets/satisfies a lot of the criticism about Mo's international targets doesn't it?

So true. So incredibly true.

supernothingman
01-19-2009, 01:54 PM
Nails 'em every time.

Nice.

Roogsy
01-19-2009, 01:59 PM
[quote=Ossington Mental Youth;336771]We are not going to get ARgentinas current most promising talent.
As others said he obviously didnt get alot of playing time at two of the countries bigger clubs which at that age is difficult to do.
Im excited about this signing, we've done not too bad with outcasts (Ricketts, Guevara, Robert being the odd one out really) and this could be the chance he needs. At very worst we send him packing, at best we get a top 3 scorer, ideally we buy his ass asap if thats the case. People gotta chill as we really dont know anything about the dude and he does fit the criteria for alot of previous demands on here.

QFT...

Roogsy
01-19-2009, 02:01 PM
I don't know how many of you have seen Vitti play (other than his appearance for Independiente vs. TFC).

I have seen him play a few times when he was with Rosario Central. I remember him quite well when he played for Rosario and I recall his transfer to Banfield as being a pretty big move at the time. I wondered what happened to his career after that move to Banfield because I liked what I saw when he was with Rosario. I was shocked to see him in Toronto vs. Independiente. Other than Independiente's GK that night, he was one of the few recognizeable names that Independiente dressed (many of those players that night were youth players).

5 years ago, this kid was being compared to a whole slew of great Argentine #9's (i.e. Crespo) when they were his age. He was on the same gold medal Argentine squad in 2005 as stars like Lionel Messi, Pablo Zabaleta, Neri Cardozo, Fernando Gago and Sergio Aguero and was earmarked to be a key player on that team but by the end of that tournament, he was relegated to the bench.

At 18-19 years old, this kid had the making of a very good pro who was destined for a lucrative career in Europe. Something happened to him along the way. Hopefully if he does come to TFC, he'll recapture the flashes of brilliance he displayed at Rosario

I agree.

If anything, Mo has shown a willingness to gamble a little, on tarnished talents and giving them a shot. I like that. We aren't going to score a Crespo, or Henry. So he takes another angle on the search. Good for him. It may work out, or it may not. But if it does...it will be fantastic for TFC. If it doesn't...we release him and try again. I don't understand what miracles TFC fans are looking for from Mo, but at this point I don't even want to try.

Huginho
01-19-2009, 02:19 PM
It's funny reading how people are disappointed that this may be the guy TFC gets. He's no DP obviously but I'd rather Mo go after this guy then say oh I don't know a Kevin Gall!!!

ua-kozak_TFC
01-19-2009, 02:25 PM
I really hope this goes through... and we get this guy althought it will be kind of hard i think Metallist are aiming for big things in the euro cup. they have made numerous acquisitions to strengthen their squad. I hope Vitti is not in their plans.

From what i hear from my budies from argentina. He was pretty impressive in his early years with Central... just think about it the kid must have been 16 or so to play almost 100 games for a pretty good argentinian team some be telling you soemthing...

I think the pressure must have got the better of him...i am sure he will be way better than Samuel or Andy welsh...

Chevy
01-19-2009, 02:29 PM
Heard he's great with crosses.

But known as a bit of a "fee-spirit". :)

Pachuco
01-19-2009, 02:45 PM
I'll be very exited if this move is true. He's definately one of the guys I remember from Independiente. I remember saying to my wife during the game, why can't we sign some of these young players Independiente has? and here we are now, with an opportunity to bring in a promising Argentine forward and people are complaining? Do you people even understand how good of a league the Argentine league is?

Forget the stats, forget the wiki. If Mo saw promise in this guy then what the hell are we all complaining about? Let's welcome him and hope he does well. If he doesn't, then who cares? he goes back home by the summer and we sign a DP :)

S_D
01-19-2009, 02:47 PM
yeah really there is nothing to lose.

If he works out, great, pay a transfer fee, if he sucks, ship him back.

Remember that little shit from DCU that was on loan, Neil that caused our backline fits even though he was only 5' nothing?

If I recall correctly his transfer fee after loan was 9,00,000. Not sure if that was Pesos or USD, but if it was pesos, 250K USD in todays currency.

If this guy being talked about is the next JPA, 250K USD is nothing compared to JPA's salary and I couldn't see MLS arguing over that if the fee is similar. If he sucks, well all it cost is salary and gives Mo more time to look for the "perfect fit" DP.

BuSaPuNk
01-19-2009, 02:48 PM
Yeah guys sounds pretty good and if it is only a loan deal if it doesn't work out and we will most likely know if it will or not by the summer transfer window, we can dump him and bring in a DP.

CretanBull
01-19-2009, 02:50 PM
^Everything is always done in US dollars.

felipe
01-19-2009, 03:01 PM
according to fm 2008, he is very fast, very good technique, very good finisher, reads the game extrremly well, a real crowd pleaser with a big bag of tricks. They have his current playing level @ Championship level, low premier level, but have his potential as a Prem league star.

Apparently he is also treemendously inconsistent, and a real head case. When not involved tends to drift out of matches. Low concentration, bravery, composure, positioning. Teamwork could certainly be improved.

He seems a lot like most of our acquisitions. Theres something wrong with him, but if we can get him right, he's quite capable of being the one of the best players in the entire league.

I know FM isn't as goos as wikipedia, but its something to go on...just don't ask me what its doing with me @ work.

Shaughno
01-19-2009, 03:04 PM
according to fm 2008, he is very fast, very good technique, very good finisher, reads the game extrremly well, a real crowd pleaser with a big bag of tricks. They have his current playing level @ Championship level, low premier level, but have his potential as a Prem league star.

Apparently he is also treemendously inconsistent, and a real head case. When not involved tends to drift out of matches. Low concentration, bravery, composure, positioning. Teamwork could certainly be improved.

He seems a lot like most of our acquisitions. Theres something wrong with him, but if we can get him right, he's quite capable of being the one of the best players in the entire league.

I know FM isn't as goos as wikipedia, but its something to go on...just don't ask me what its doing with me @ work.


I hate to say it, but FM is probably a better judge of talent than Wiki is. :lol:

Oldtimer
01-19-2009, 03:05 PM
He seems a lot like most of our acquisitions. Theres something wrong with him, but if we can get him right, he's quite capable of being the one of the best players in the entire league.


Thanks. So he could be another Guevara, or he could be another Robert.
Thankfully, it's a loan deal, so there's no problem if he doesn't work out.

VPjr
01-19-2009, 03:06 PM
I saw him a couple of times at the U-20 World Cup. While I don't remember him specifically (I was too much in awe watching Banega and Aguero), I do remember that he was the player that slotted in for Zarate when he injured himself, and everyone was saying that Zarate wasn't missed.

EDIT: Scratch this whole thing - I'm thinking of Pablo Piatti.

he definitely only played for Argie in 2005

felipe
01-19-2009, 03:12 PM
hmmm..and fm2009 has downgraded him somewhat; his potential is now seen as very good championship, low to mid prem league level. His talents have all taken a slight hit of one point, (out of 20) pretty much across the board. But still, very fast, very good ball skills, dribbling, plays off the ball really well, which is something we could def use more of. Very creative too.

I like him more than Robert already, because he is faast. Who was slooow.

Stryker
01-19-2009, 03:18 PM
Apparently he is also treemendously inconsistent, and a real head case. When not involved tends to drift out of matches. Low concentration

But does he knock over Gaterade jugs?
No, ok then good to go.

TFC OZZ
01-19-2009, 03:29 PM
I'm incredibly impressed with Mo Johnston for attempting this move. There have been calls for a long time for a striker on loan, and I can't believe it might actually happen.

You guys really, really need to give the guy a chance.

TFC OZZ
01-19-2009, 03:30 PM
Also... ANyone else think he looks like Esky??

felipe
01-19-2009, 03:31 PM
But does he knock over Gaterade jugs?
No, ok then good to go.

I didn't see that, but then I did forget to check under 'favoured moves'

Lucky Strike
01-19-2009, 03:35 PM
I hate to say it, but FM is probably a better judge of talent than Wiki is. :lol:

I happen to agree with you: it sounds stupid but FM is a great (though not definitely 100% accurate) judge of a player.

Shaughno
01-19-2009, 03:44 PM
Well, for the most part it uses fairly accurate scouting to produce their database. Hence why Everton bought into their database rights. ;)

VPjr
01-19-2009, 03:48 PM
very fast, very good ball skills, dribbling, plays off the ball really well, which is something we could def use more of. Very creative too.



This is pretty much how you could describe most elite Argentine players of his generation. The Argentine pro clubs are making it a habit of developing very dynamic offensive players but you will often find that they are a bit lacking in the "get stuck in" qualities that English footy fans like to see from players.

If this really is the guy, i'm really curious to see what type of player we are going to get and whether he is motivated to play and showcase himself for a move back to Europe.

I'd rather have a guy like this for 1-2 years and have him play his heart out for us in order to go somewhere bigger rather than the alternative, which is a player who comes to us because his career has run out of gas, he doesn't have the heart and he eventually goes back to ARG with his tail between his legs to toil at the lower levels back home.

I'm sure from a lifestyle perspective, he'll find T.O. a bit more to his liking. nothing wrong with Ukraine but I imagine a boy from Rosario would find adapting to life in Ukraine a bit tougher than in a multicultural mecca like T-Dot.

felipe
01-19-2009, 03:55 PM
I'm very excited too. If this is the guy, and he is even half motivated, imagine what he can do to the MLS with DeRo and Guevara pulling the strings.

This is probably a poor analogy, but I'm imagining in my head a younger healthier much better technically Huckerby. A real game breaker who will do the unexpected.

ensco
01-19-2009, 04:01 PM
I like the creativity involved in this idea. But this may be a hard one to close.

Let's say Vitti is OK with MLS. If yes, we still have some things to overcome. DCU have been a pipeline for Argentines in MLS. Columbus has Schelotto. Other teams (KC, NY) have spanish speaking coaches. Every MLS city has a bigger spanish speaking community.

Maybe it's as simple as "TFC has him on it's discovery list", but the player still has to want to come here. Remember Huckerby.

brad
01-19-2009, 04:03 PM
Well, for the most part it uses fairly accurate scouting to produce their database. Hence why Everton bought into their database rights. ;)

Mourinho uses it as a tool as well.

SteeltownBhoy
01-19-2009, 04:04 PM
As reported on the Score.

23 yrs. old, former Argentina U-20 PLayer 2005.
Played here against TFC with Independiente.

Keep those rumors coming.

tfc
01-19-2009, 04:07 PM
Did you not see the other thread on this? Or have they confirmed the move yet?

Oldtimer
01-19-2009, 04:08 PM
look in the news section of the board:

http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=9027

5 pages and counting!

Stryker
01-19-2009, 04:10 PM
I like the creativity involved in this idea. But this may be a hard one to close.

Let's say Vitti is OK with MLS. If yes, we still have some things to overcome. DCU have been a pipeline for Argentines in MLS. Columbus has Schelotto. Other teams (KC, NY) have spanish speaking coaches. Every MLS city has a bigger spanish speaking community.

Maybe it's as simple as "TFC has him on it's discovery list", but the player still has to want to come here. Remember Huckerby.

Plenty of spanish decent people in Toronto.
Besides he's already been here.
Hell he even played on our piece of shit green coloured carpet.
But I digress.

SteeltownBhoy
01-19-2009, 04:10 PM
Sorry lock the thread!!!!

Huginho
01-19-2009, 04:14 PM
[quote=ensco;337237]
Every MLS city has a bigger spanish speaking community.
quote]

I don't know about that. Toronto has a extremly large latin community, I doubt that will come into play. and if The amount of argies present at the world cup and the friendly last season is any indication he won't have a tough time adapting to the city.

brad
01-19-2009, 04:17 PM
He scored vs the Crew this summer as well - sign him up :-)

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15110810&postcount=43


Ind goal in the 84th - Pablo Vitti - thanks to a perfect chest down by Zayner right to the opposing attacker.

Pigfynn
01-19-2009, 04:20 PM
He scored vs the Crew this summer as well - sign him up :-)

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15110810&postcount=43

He's played against two MLS sides and scored twice.

not bad.

billyfly
01-19-2009, 04:23 PM
I didnt want to post in this thread b/c I didnt go to the Indepiente game and I don't know this guy.

Worth a signing no matter what I think.

jwfm1985
01-19-2009, 04:28 PM
I like the creativity involved in this idea. But this may be a hard one to close.

Let's say Vitti is OK with MLS. If yes, we still have some things to overcome. DCU have been a pipeline for Argentines in MLS. Columbus has Schelotto. Other teams (KC, NY) have spanish speaking coaches. Every MLS city has a bigger spanish speaking community.

Maybe it's as simple as "TFC has him on it's discovery list", but the player still has to want to come here. Remember Huckerby.

Not for Argentines. We wouldnt be at NYC or LA levels, but would be up there for sure. And you would have a very hard time convincing me he would prefer to live in KC or Columbus over Toronto. Again, NYC, LA, DC? Sure. But I think we can safely say we are not the worst option, and a HUGE upgrade from Odessa, Ukraine.

Also would surprise me if Mo has a claim on him

djking2
01-19-2009, 04:33 PM
I'm sure from a lifestyle perspective, he'll find T.O. a bit more to his liking. nothing wrong with Ukraine but I imagine a boy from Rosario would find adapting to life in Ukraine a bit tougher than in a multicultural mecca like T-Dot.

I'm not ukrainian but I think it only fair to point out that Odessa where he was most recently on loan has been a "multicultural mecca" for about 2000 years. Now I'm not saying there's a huge Hispanic population but if you like sunny beaches, whoa.............

Stryker
01-19-2009, 04:36 PM
He's played against two MLS sides and scored twice.

Me likey.

djking2
01-19-2009, 04:36 PM
Not for Argentines. We wouldnt be at NYC or LA levels, but would be up there for sure. And you would have a very hard time convincing me he would prefer to live in KC or Columbus over Toronto. Again, NYC, LA, DC? Sure. But I think we can safely say we are not the worst option, and a HUGE upgrade from Odessa, Ukraine.

Also would surprise me if Mo has a claim on him

There ya go again with the Odessa thing. I'd disagree and so did the Beatles

Those Ukraine girls really knock me out
they leave the rest behind

But on topic I'm all for Vitti

fetajr
01-19-2009, 04:40 PM
according to the footy blog

Pablo Vitti close to joining TFC (http://my.thescore.com/footyblog/archive/2009/01/19/6655.aspx)


its about fucking time we get what appears to be a quality south american from argentina... especially one who is only 23 years old...

its TFC, we're in MLS.... most young foreign players we're ever gonna get are guys who haven't lived up to expectations in the more skillfull leagues.

Jack
01-19-2009, 04:49 PM
its about fucking time we get what appears to be a quality south american from argentina... especially one who is only 23 years old...

its TFC, we're in MLS.... most young foreign players we're ever gonna get are guys who haven't lived up to expectations in the more skillfull leagues.
Why does where he comes from matter?

That bolded text should just read "young player"

It's not like being from one particular part of the world automatically makes you a football god.

(and yes, I realize that there are higher percentages in some countries than in others)

ensco
01-19-2009, 04:52 PM
Not for Argentines. We wouldnt be at NYC or LA levels, but would be up there for sure. And you would have a very hard time convincing me he would prefer to live in KC or Columbus over Toronto.

I have zero idea where he would want to live. But I would make these general points:

1) In terms of total population, Columbus and Toronto would be the two smallest speaking communities in MLS. Even though Toronto is much larger than KC, Salt Lake, Denver and Seattle, they all have huge hispanic communities. And of course NY, Boston, Washington, Dallas, Houston, LA, San Francisco, Chicago, would all dwarf ours. I wouldn't let the spectacle that a couple of hundred people put on at the U 20s colour your view.

2) TFC have a hugely English/Scottish oriented FO. No one in management is a spanish speaker (as a for instance, Onalfo at KC speaks fluent spanish). It's not a trivial consideration.

Hope I'm wrong.

Stryker
01-19-2009, 04:53 PM
Well seeing as this Kristian Jack bluntly named Vitti as the mystery striker he better be right. If not he's gonna lose alot of credibility.

Jack
01-19-2009, 04:54 PM
1) In terms of total population, Columbus and Toronto would be the two smallest speaking communities in MLS. Even though Toronto is much larger than KC, Salt Lake, Denver and Seattle, they all have huge hispanic communities. And of course NY, Boston, Washington, Dallas, Houston, LA, San Francisco, Chicago, would all dwarf ours.

2) TFC have a hugely English/Scottish oriented FO. No one in management is a spanish speaker (as a for instance, Onalfo at KC speaks fluent spanish). It's not a trivial consideration.

Hope I'm wrong.

Wrong.

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ben_vw
01-19-2009, 04:56 PM
Wrong.

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About Me // Having been born and raised in Mexico, football is under my skin. I’m a proud member and keeper of the Ronaldo McDonalds in the Lunch-Time Soccer League (LSL). Everything I say gets misinterpreted, as I’m still learning to how to pronounce my ‘y’s and ‘j’s in English. I’m a devoted cheesehead for the Packers, I enjoy watching and playing tennis, and introducing the staff to the best Mexican restaurants around Toronto.
Phone Number // 416-815-5400 x 5315


a couple other folks do too... the video guy, and the IT guy! :cool:

ensco
01-19-2009, 04:57 PM
Wrong.


Sorry El Presidente, but with respect, I'm talking about the football operation.

Pigfynn
01-19-2009, 05:05 PM
Couldn't we so incredibly easily hire someone to do this? Ya, so it really isn't an issue.

Shaughno
01-19-2009, 05:09 PM
Couldn't we so incredibly easily hire someone to do this? Ya, so it really isn't an issue.

Why hire if you have a few fluent latin speaking employees in the TFC ranks already?


Sorry El Presidente, but with respect, I'm talking about the football operation.

Don't see how it matters if they sign the cheques or wash the shirts... employed by TFC and could be used as a translater.

Besides, I know the dialects are different but we also have Guevara and Velez who I'm sure wouldn't be against helping out with translations.

fetajr
01-19-2009, 05:10 PM
Why does where he comes from matter?

That bolded text should just read "young player"

It's not like being from one particular part of the world automatically makes you a football god.

(and yes, I realize that there are higher percentages in some countries than in others)

Argentina is wealthy with good (and cheap) football talent, young and old.

The same player would cost more if he were from and playing for example in the UK, Belgium, Russia, Spain, Italy...etc.

Pigfynn
01-19-2009, 05:13 PM
Not to mention that language and football aren't usually too much of an issue. Look at clubs like Arsenal or Man Utd..You have Korean, French, Spanish, soon Russian etc all being spoken. Yes, they have translators for all of them but they still have to communicate with each other everyday.

Benficachop20
01-19-2009, 05:13 PM
From wat i saw last season when he played here, i thought he was the most impressive player on the pitch tbh. Hopefully he will keep that up, if we do sign him.

btw he was the one that scored the goal against us right?

Jack
01-19-2009, 05:27 PM
Sorry El Presidente, but with respect, I'm talking about the football operation.
Ask Cesar if he does or does not help out with the Spanish-speaking players (he was usually the translator for Amado). I realize it's not ideal, but Cesar comes from a footy background and played in the Pachuca system in Mexico.

Also, here are some stats on Latin American Visible Minority from the Canadian Census and Hispanic/LAtino Ethnicity from the US one. These are for the "Greater Area" markets (CMA in Canada and CMSA in the US)

Toronto: 304,245

Columbus: 28,115

Kansas City: 92,910

NYC: 3,852,138

Denver: 476,627

Salt Lake City: 144,600

Seattle: 184,297

Boston: 358,231

Washington: 484,902

Chicago: 1,440,051

So if you want to base it off of that, we're ahead of KC, Columbus, Salt Lake City and Seattle. I got lazy as it's a bit of a PITA to do the searches on the US Census site, but you get the idea. :D

Jack
01-19-2009, 05:31 PM
Argentina is wealthy with good (and cheap) football talent, young and old.

The same player would cost more if he were from and playing for example in the UK, Belgium, Russia, Spain, Italy...etc.

Right. Like I said, I realize that some countries have more football talent than others.

What I'm saying is, who cares where he's from? If he's young and good and cheap, that's more important than his passport.

rocker
01-19-2009, 05:32 PM
Ask Cesar if he does or does not help out with the Spanish-speaking players (he was usually the translator for Amado).

let's not forget CV2! he can do it too.. give him something to do as a summer job!

ensco
01-19-2009, 05:36 PM
Ask Cesar if he does or does not help out with the Spanish-speaking players (he was usually the translator for Amado). I realize it's not ideal, but Cesar comes from a footy background and played in the Pachuca system in Mexico.

Also, here are some stats on Latin American Visible Minority from the Canadian Census and Hispanic/LAtino Ethnicity from the US one. These are for the "Greater Area" markets (CMA in Canada and CMSA in the US)

Toronto: 304,245

......

So if you want to base it off of that, we're ahead of KC, Columbus, Salt Lake City and Seattle. I got lazy as it's a bit of a PITA to do the searches on the US Census site, but you get the idea. :D

I am surprised by that Toronto number. Here's the 2001 Statscan data showing that "Latin Americans" (which may slightly understate things, as it won't capture spanish speakers from Spain, North Africa and maybe a few from the Phillipines), shows 54,000 in Toronto and 106,000 in Ontario - which would imply that the GTA number was maybe 75,000 in 2001.

http://www12.statcan.ca/english/profil01/CP01/Details/Page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CSD&Code1=3520005&Geo2=PR&Code2=35&Data=Count&SearchText=toronto&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=35&B1=All&Custom=

Huginho
01-19-2009, 06:48 PM
I have zero idea where he would want to live. But I would make these general points:

1) In terms of total population, Columbus and Toronto would be the two smallest speaking communities in MLS. Even though Toronto is much larger than KC, Salt Lake, Denver and Seattle, they all have huge hispanic communities. And of course NY, Boston, Washington, Dallas, Houston, LA, San Francisco, Chicago, would all dwarf ours. I wouldn't let the spectacle that a couple of hundred people put on at the U 20s colour your view.

2) TFC have a hugely English/Scottish oriented FO. No one in management is a spanish speaker (as a for instance, Onalfo at KC speaks fluent spanish). It's not a trivial consideration.

Hope I'm wrong.

Where are you getting this info from????:noidea:

jwfm1985
01-19-2009, 07:02 PM
I am surprised by that Toronto number. Here's the 2001 Statscan data showing that "Latin Americans" (which may slightly understate things, as it won't capture spanish speakers from Spain, North Africa and maybe a few from the Phillipines), shows 54,000 in Toronto and 106,000 in Ontario - which would imply that the GTA number was maybe 75,000 in 2001.

http://www12.statcan.ca/english/profil01/CP01/Details/Page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CSD&Code1=3520005&Geo2=PR&Code2=35&Data=Count&SearchText=toronto&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=35&B1=All&Custom=

In the end, I really think it is a non-issue... or at least I HOPE it is a non-issue. I don't care if he is from Alaska or if there are 300K Alaskans in Toronto. He is young, it's a low risk - high reward gamble and the general consensus of people that have actually seen him play is positive. Mo is sold, I am sold, and I really hope he signs.

UltraSuperMegaMo
01-19-2009, 07:02 PM
This threads taken an odd turn since I last checked in. Admittedly, Toronto doesn’t have a huge hispanic / Latin population but why is Vitti likely to care? If he was up for playing in the Ukraine, why would Toronto be too foreign for him?

Thanks to Redrocket08 for posting the link to the game.

jwfm1985
01-19-2009, 07:03 PM
This threads taken an odd turn since I last checked in. Admittedly, Toronto doesn’t have a huge hispanic / Latin population but why is Vitti likely to care? If he was up for playing the Ukraine, why would Toronto be too foreign for him?

Thanks to Redrocket08 for posting the link to the game.

Good point

twistedchinaman
01-19-2009, 07:09 PM
Let's give him a shot -- I'd like to see how he does before we either put him on a pedestal or pillory him.

EDIT: Anyone got the pillory ready? :D

Jack
01-19-2009, 07:25 PM
I am surprised by that Toronto number. Here's the 2001 Statscan data showing that "Latin Americans" (which may slightly understate things, as it won't capture spanish speakers from Spain, North Africa and maybe a few from the Phillipines), shows 54,000 in Toronto and 106,000 in Ontario - which would imply that the GTA number was maybe 75,000 in 2001.

http://www12.statcan.ca/english/profil01/CP01/Details/Page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CSD&Code1=3520005&Geo2=PR&Code2=35&Data=Count&SearchText=toronto&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=35&B1=All&Custom=
You're looking at the wrong number and at a much smaller area there. That's essentially the downtown "City of Toronto" not the GTA.

The CMA of Toronto had 75,915 in 2001 and that's reporting a different stat. The stat I gave you is from the 2006 Census and they changed the way they report ethnicity, immigration and visible minority status. I work with the guy who was head of the census for 30 years and he gave me that up-to-date number today. As for the USA numbers, they only take census every ten years so we have numbers from 03. But the race statistics I quoted are based on "any Hispanic/Latino" so would include mixed and so on. It's not a perfect comparison, which is why I dug up the Canadian number which was as close as possible in reporting to the US one. The Canadian number I gave you also takes into account second and third generation.

King Tut
01-19-2009, 07:43 PM
Cesar comes from a footy background and played in the Pachuca system in Mexico.

That's crazy. I never knew that. What age group? He should play with the TFC staffers at the Supporter's Cup..:)

ensco
01-19-2009, 07:52 PM
You're looking at the wrong number and at a much smaller area there. That's essentially the downtown "City of Toronto" not the GTA.

The CMA of Toronto had 75,915 in 2001 and that's reporting a different stat. The stat I gave you is from the 2006 Census and they changed the way they report ethnicity, immigration and visible minority status. I work with the guy who was head of the census for 30 years and he gave me that up-to-date number today. As for the USA numbers, they only take census every ten years so we have numbers from 03. But the race statistics I quoted are based on "any Hispanic/Latino" so would include mixed and so on. It's not a perfect comparison, which is why I dug up the Canadian number which was as close as possible in reporting to the US one. The Canadian number I gave you also takes into account second and third generation.

Well the province per the census was 106,000, so the 75,000 estimate for the GTA is not far off.

Interesting re the methodolgy changes. Didn't know that.

I would still make the qualitative statement that Toronto has a less visible, and more dispersed, hispanic community than most other MLS cities. The reason I point this out is not to make a value judgment, but rather to point out that it may be a criterion used by hispanic players to evaluate their choices. All I know is, we were victimized by "player's subjective assessment of city" issues once before (Huckerby - who was a complex case because it was never clear whether it was the turf, or the joys of sunny California, that caused him to want to go to SJ)

The key point, is that unlike every other team/league in the world, it's the league that signs players - so players coming in have some leverage to choose amongst the MLS teams

I agree wholeheartedly that it shouldn't matter, but we live in the real world. I wish to state that I am unreservedly in favour of any member of any Argentine U 20 team joining TFC! :)

jloome
01-19-2009, 07:55 PM
Since you guys have been discussing this one all day, I'm gonna laugh by butt off if Kristian Jack is wrong (again) and Sean is right and it's actually a Brazilian coming.

Keyman
01-19-2009, 08:04 PM
^^
When someone who I believe works for TFC (redrocket08) is posting videos pimping his skills, I would say that it's pretty close to a sure thing.

Shaughno
01-19-2009, 08:08 PM
Since you guys have been discussing this one all day, I'm gonna laugh by butt off if Kristian Jack is wrong (again) and Sean is right and it's actually a Brazilian coming.

I've been thinking that all day. :lol:

UltraSuperMegaMo
01-19-2009, 08:11 PM
Even if this signing is imminent, I don’t think we’ll hear about it for a few days at least. With the holiday in the States and the Inauguration, I’m guessing things are probably near a standstill at MLS HQ.

Blizzard
01-19-2009, 08:22 PM
I'm kind of wondering whether or not Kristian Jack got his information from the forums as MLS Rumours is doing all the time.

As we all know, that web site is constantly ripping off our forums.

I don't know Kristian at all but it's that or he has a source at the top!

jloome
01-19-2009, 08:23 PM
^^
When someone who I believe works for TFC (redrocket08) is posting videos pimping his skills, I would say that it's pretty close to a sure thing.

I wouldn't. Working somewhere is no guarantee you know what they're planning; in fact, most wage slaves I know have little to know idea what goes on in management at their workplace.

Blizzard
01-19-2009, 08:29 PM
Coincidentally, right now on Gol, the Argentine U-20's are playing Venezuela in WC Qualifying and are losing 1 nil from a penalty 11 minutes in.

rocker
01-19-2009, 08:30 PM
^^
When someone who I believe works for TFC (redrocket08) is posting videos pimping his skills, I would say that it's pretty close to a sure thing.

where are the vids? I seem to have missed those links and I'm too lazy to look.

Blizzard
01-19-2009, 08:32 PM
I've been thinking that all day. :lol:

It's very possible! :noidea:

Pachuco
01-19-2009, 08:35 PM
I'm kind of wondering whether or not Kristian Jack got his information from the forums as MLS Rumours is doing all the time.

As we all know, that web site is constantly ripping off our forums.

I don't know Kristian at all but it's that or he has a source at the top!

Honestly, I have no reason to not believe The Score. I have to say they are pretty good at breaking TFC news and are rarely wrong. Now if this was Sportsnet posting this story, that's a different thing. I mean, I'm still waiting for Joa Pinto to arrive on that plane.

Blizzard
01-19-2009, 08:39 PM
Honestly, I have no reason to not believe The Score. I have to say they are pretty good at breaking TFC news and are rarely wrong. Now is this was Sportsnet posting this story, that's a different thing. I mean, I'm still waiting for Joa Pinto to arrive on that plane.

Well, a fellow in Argentina, an Independiente supporter thinks the rumour began at Rogers Sportsnet:

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16723011&postcount=4

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BigSoccer Member

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/image.php?u=117382&dateline=1211942811 (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/member.php?u=117382)

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Argentina.


Supporter: CA Independiente


http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif Re: Pablo Vitti, Argentine football striker..Maybe?
Hello, i got the rumour from some canadian that said he saw him linked to Independiente in something called "Rogers Sportsnet" maybe? But that was like 1 month ago there has been no news since that. Also regarding the 14 goals in 5 years, he had some complicated consecutive injuries, plus lack of continuity. As of now he's "hung" at Independiente, he has no place in the main squad and he's just awaiting for an offer to leave.

Rudi
01-19-2009, 08:43 PM
I'm kind of wondering whether or not Kristian Jack got his information from the forums as MLS Rumours is doing all the time.
I don't think Kristian uses the U-Sector board as his main source of scoops.

He seems a bit more legit than that. :D

Blizzard
01-19-2009, 08:46 PM
I don't think Kristian uses the U-Sector board as his main source of scoops.

He seems a bit more legit than that. :D

I certainly hope so. It's tough to rely on those U-Sector wankers! :drinking:

:D:D:D

Keyman
01-19-2009, 08:47 PM
Well I was just bringing it up. It's only my guess, I have no idea who this redrocket guy is. All I know is that he makes sure we watch anything pertaining to TFC TV. haha

Rudi
01-19-2009, 08:49 PM
I certainly hope so. It's tough to rely on those U-Sector wankers! :drinking:

:D:D:D
:lol:

With regards to Vitti, as I posted over there we have to sign him just to keep the July 9th link alive at TFC! :D

jloome
01-19-2009, 08:53 PM
Honestly, I have no reason to not believe The Score. I have to say they are pretty good at breaking TFC news and are rarely wrong. Now if this was Sportsnet posting this story, that's a different thing. I mean, I'm still waiting for Joa Pinto to arrive on that plane.

Yeah, the score never gets it wrong. They just hedge their best by saying "looking at" or "trying to sign" or whatever other out allows them to be wrong without actually looking wrong. For earlier examples, see Paul McVeigh, Patrick Kluivert, Nuno Gomes and Keon Daniel. All Score "tfc may be about to...." predictions.

Having said that, they are better than most.

Rudi
01-19-2009, 08:55 PM
For earlier examples, see Paul McVeigh, Patrick Kluivert, Nuno Gomes and Keon Daniel. All Score "tfc may be about to...." predictions.
Good Lord, are you actually keeping notes?

Blizzard
01-19-2009, 08:55 PM
:lol:

With regards to Vitti, as I posted over there we have to sign him just to keep the July 9th link alive at TFC! :D

You know both Di Canio and Vialli were born on July 9 don't you?

This team is going to be special! :rolleyes:

Pachuco
01-19-2009, 09:27 PM
Yeah, the score never gets it wrong. They just hedge their best by saying "looking at" or "trying to sign" or whatever other out allows them to be wrong without actually looking wrong. For earlier examples, see Paul McVeigh, Patrick Kluivert, Nuno Gomes and Keon Daniel. All Score "tfc may be about to...." predictions.

Having said that, they are better than most.

What does Sportnet do? Joao Pinto is on a plane ready to sign papers and the guy wasn't even considering TFC at that point.

BTW - what's wrong with what The Score does? I believe they are telling the truth when they are saying we are trying to sign or looking at players, The Footy Blog simply let's us in on what's going on inside TFC camp. Really, there's nothing wrong with that.

DigzTFC!
01-19-2009, 09:40 PM
Just a thought, Mo mentioned that he was in the market for a defender as well. Sean Keay might have got his wires crossed and the defender is brazilian....we could still trade within the league as we will have surplus to requirements in a few positions. Dunivant and Edwards and Velez come to mind.

Roogsy
01-19-2009, 09:49 PM
Well the province per the census was 106,000, so the 75,000 estimate for the GTA is not far off.

There is no way in hell I believe that number. I haven't had a chance to research the actual figures, but if I do, I am 99.999999% certain the hispanic numbers in the GTA alone are higher than 100,000 let alone the entire province.

Roogsy
01-19-2009, 09:50 PM
Yeah, the score never gets it wrong. They just hedge their best by saying "looking at" or "trying to sign" or whatever other out allows them to be wrong without actually looking wrong. For earlier examples, see Paul McVeigh, Patrick Kluivert, Nuno Gomes and Keon Daniel. All Score "tfc may be about to...." predictions.

Having said that, they are better than most.

At least they are attempting to cover it. I would kill for the Sun (the official paper of TFC) to put in half the effort The Score does for soccer coverage.

Get'r done Jeremy.

Jack
01-19-2009, 09:51 PM
There is no way in hell I believe that number. I haven't had a chance to research the actual figures, but if I do, I am 99.999999% certain the hispanic numbers in the GTA alone are higher than 100,000 let alone the entire province.
See my previous post with actual numbers.

DigzTFC!
01-19-2009, 09:55 PM
Just checked the new TFC TV. Mo states there will be one or two changes in the locker room. And states they need another defender. All things we know...but hey, it could be a brazilian CB.

The Oz
01-19-2009, 10:26 PM
Just checked the new TFC TV. Mo states there will be one or two changes in the locker room. And states they need another defender. All things we know...but hey, it could be a brazilian CB.

Him being brazilian means shit all if he can't play. I don't care where the HELL they are from as long they make a postive impact and make this team better.

Ossington Mental Youth
01-19-2009, 10:26 PM
http://my.thescore.com/footyblog/archive/2009/01/19/6697.aspx

talk about Vitti on the footyshow (Sean Keay is there too, sorry J.)
Also briefly talk about lack of defence and how TFC FO knows we need a CB. They might look within MLS, the boys seem to think that we may only need one leading CB as opposed to two.

mighty_torontofc_2008
01-19-2009, 10:31 PM
i look forward to seeing him play. we need a little flair.


is this little enough..wooooooooooooo

Pachuco
01-19-2009, 10:32 PM
http://my.thescore.com/footyblog/archive/2009/01/19/6697.aspx

talk about Vitti on the footyshow (Sean Keay is there too, sorry J.)
Also briefly talk about lack of defence and how TFC FO knows we need a CB. They might look within MLS, the boys seem to think that we may only need one leading CB as opposed to two.

As far as CB, I've said it before, I'll say it again, we are ok with one CB. We really don't need two.

Can you summarize the Vitti talk?

Ossington Mental Youth
01-19-2009, 10:34 PM
yeah its pretty brief, says hes quality but had a rough go in argentina, shows alot of promise (as he was u-20 etc), they dont add a whole lot more than what we've discussed on here, apparently we are getting him quite cheaply which they were pleased about

DigzTFC!
01-19-2009, 10:34 PM
Him being brazilian means shit all if he can't play. I don't care where the HELL they are from as long they make a postive impact and make this team better.

Um, I wrote that because Sean Keay stated the incoming forward was Brazilian which turned out to be an Argentine and was trying to explain where the confusion could have come from not because I prefer one nationality over the other. But hey stating the obvious is fun.

jloome
01-19-2009, 10:37 PM
At least they are attempting to cover it. I would kill for the Sun (the official paper of TFC) to put in half the effort The Score does for soccer coverage.

Get'r done Jeremy.

I wish, Cash, but they stopped listening to me years ago. If it were up to me, they'd have a daily soccer page anchored by TFC. And it would be a sound business decision, despite what the nimwits in my industry should think. Pachuco, I'm ripping them probably more than I should. It's a hard habit to break; if people had any idea how inaccurate broadcast news media is compared to print -- and we're hardly good these days -- they'd understand. THe nature of broadcast is that, unlike print, it doesn't hang around for much time unless it's sensational enough to make Youtube. So people can toss out any name they hear without doing even the most basic job of trying to confirm its validity, or even qualifying their statements so that people don't put more credit in it than they should. I'm not saying the Score does this more than others, in fact, if anything it's probably better than Sportsnet for this, and it's certainly better than most bloggers. But, just occasionally, I wish the public were a little more critical and demanded higher standards of sourcing and support.

Pachuco
01-19-2009, 10:39 PM
yeah its pretty brief, says hes quality but had a rough go in argentina, shows alot of promise (as he was u-20 etc), they dont add a whole lot more than what we've discussed on here, apparently we are getting him quite cheaply which they were pleased about

So then is Sean Kay agreeing now that Vitti is the guy? wasn't it he who said on USector that it wasn't him? or am I confused?

DigzTFC!
01-19-2009, 10:40 PM
yeah its pretty brief, says hes quality but had a rough go in argentina, shows alot of promise (as he was u-20 etc), they dont add a whole lot more than what we've discussed on here, apparently we are getting him quite cheaply which they were pleased about

Looking at Vitti's goal and non-goal from the exhibition game at BMO, it looks like he's a threat to score from outside the 18 as well. I don't know how we will deploy everyone at this point, but we have serious long range scoring ability. Guevara, DeRo and Vitti can drop some bombs

One DeRo highlight that don't see in his highlights on TFC TV and youtube very often displayed

http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/media/player/mp_tpl.jsp?w=mms%3A//a1503.v115042.c11504.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/11504/v0001/mlbmls.download.akamai.com/11504/2007/open/topplays/07/072207_houner_derosario_goal_350.wmv&_mp=1

This is my favorite DeRo goal

Ossington Mental Youth
01-19-2009, 10:40 PM
youre right, hes agreeing now that its Vitti, he may have been confused (like i said to Jloome, hes the same age and speed that Keay had suggested, just wrong nationality)

Ossington Mental Youth
01-19-2009, 10:41 PM
The boys seem to think they should play 4-2-3-1, apparently Cronin is an attacking threat as well and likes to shoot from a distance

Ossington Mental Youth
01-19-2009, 10:47 PM
oh yeah also theres suggestions that Edwards might leave (apparently they arent going to hold on to 3 goalies)

FluSH
01-19-2009, 10:53 PM
What does Sportnet do? Joao Pinto is on a plane ready to sign papers and the guy wasn't even considering TFC at that point.



Would be freaking nice... I'm hopeful that Vitti is the one... and I'm hoping we also got him on the cheap.

J .
01-19-2009, 10:53 PM
I dont mind taking on a young talent. Develop him until he is 26 or 27 and sell him. But if he does come in on loan, hopefully he will be productive loan.

Ossington Mental Youth
01-19-2009, 10:56 PM
oh yeah, apparently Vitti is in TO this week

Ossington Mental Youth
01-19-2009, 10:57 PM
i suspect its a loan with intent on buying (MLS rarely does loans any other ways), lets just hope he shows a reason for us to buy him (and that his team doesnt mind selling him)

Pachuco
01-19-2009, 10:57 PM
youre right, hes agreeing now that its Vitti, he may have been confused (like i said to Jloome, hes the same age and speed that Keay had suggested, just wrong nationality)

Man that's good news, If Vitti signs, my hat goes off to Mo for taking chances this off season.

FluSH
01-19-2009, 10:58 PM
oh yeah, apparently Vitti is in TO this week


Without me have to scan through pages... where are you getting this info from?

Ossington Mental Youth
01-19-2009, 10:59 PM
score footyshow

Ossington Mental Youth
01-19-2009, 11:00 PM
thats what i heard anyways HA

jloome
01-19-2009, 11:01 PM
Man that's good news, If Vitti signs, my hat goes off to Mo for taking chances this off season.

At MLS level, it's hard to see a former standout Argentine u-21 player not being able to make an impact. If he's fast, can create on the dribble and can shoot, he's instnatly in the top 5% of league forwards.

Stryker
01-19-2009, 11:01 PM
The boys seem to think they should play 4-2-3-1, apparently Cronin is an attacking threat as well and likes to shoot from a distance

If Cronin is the pitbull people are saying he is a 4-2-3-1 could help support our weak back line significantly. I still have my doubts though as to wither we can score enough with a single striker. Even if the striker was Vitti with Dero behind him.

FluSH
01-19-2009, 11:04 PM
At MLS level, it's hard to see a former standout Argentine u-21 player not being able to make an impact. If he's fast, can create on the dribble and can shoot, he's instnatly in the top 5% of league forwards.


This as much can be true... let's just hope his heart is there. Otherwise...

Pachuco
01-19-2009, 11:05 PM
If Cronin is the pitbull people are saying he is a 4-2-3-1 could help support our weak back line significantly. I still have my doubts though as to wither we can score enough with a single striker. Even if the striker was Vitti with Dero behind him.

I don't know though, Barrett already losing his starting role? not sure about that, I think Barrett gets a starting role with Vitti up front (if Vitti signs).

Ossington Mental Youth
01-19-2009, 11:05 PM
yeah, also i dunno whether Carver is willing to switch to that position, i still see a 4-4-2 type of thing going on with only one true winger and one dm

Ossington Mental Youth
01-19-2009, 11:06 PM
I don't know though, Barrett already losing his starting role? not sure about that, I think Barrett gets a starting role with Vitti up front (if Vitti signs).


i agree, with Dichio as main sub and White/Ibbie secondary subs (until they work their way up, which wont be long with Dichios pending retirement in next year or two)

DigzTFC!
01-19-2009, 11:14 PM
At MLS level, it's hard to see a former standout Argentine u-21 player not being able to make an impact. If he's fast, can create on the dribble and can shoot, he's instnatly in the top 5% of league forwards.

Carlos Marinelli & Franco Caraccio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco_Caraccio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Marinelli

Just to keep things a little bit of context. These guys were young Argie prospects in Argentina and didn't have success in the MLS. This is a calculated risk

Pachuco
01-19-2009, 11:19 PM
Carlos Marinelli & Franco Caraccio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco_Caraccio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Marinelli

Just to keep things a little bit of context. These guys were young Argie prospects in Argentina and didn't have success in the MLS. This is a calculated risk

True, but these guys didn't play on an under 21 team full of Argentine stars (something Vitti did). However, I agree, it's a risk we are taking, just not a huge risk since we aren't putting all our ducketts into this guy.

Ossington Mental Youth
01-19-2009, 11:30 PM
Our boy has better pedigree then those two if im not mistaken (both nationally and in clubs), ideally thatll make for a better player

Ossington Mental Youth
01-19-2009, 11:31 PM
Wow, Marinelli had an ok background, bit of a surprise there that he didnt work out

DigzTFC!
01-19-2009, 11:33 PM
I'm a little confused at our roster right now to be honest. We needed forwards and now we're going to have trouble getting them all playing time.

Dichio, Barrett, Ibbe, Vitti, White (Injured)

Possibly Grella...

UltraSuperMegaMo
01-19-2009, 11:51 PM
Conventional wisdom has it that you need four forwards. White’s injured and there’s no reason to think Dichio will be able to play a full season. If TFC can max out the number of games they’re playing this year, MLS regular season, Canada Cup, MLS playoffs, and Champions league qualifier and group stage games, there should be enough opportunities to keep everyone relatively happy.

Ossington Mental Youth
01-19-2009, 11:53 PM
agreed thats not to mention national call ups.
Dichio is aware that he will get reduced playing time, Obrien isnt supposed to be fit till about midseason. Also youre missing Hall but whos to say he will stick around. Ibbie is also 17, so although he got alot of playing time last year he still has alot of development to do.

Ossington Mental Youth
01-20-2009, 12:01 AM
If grella comes it wont be till next season i would imagine.
Thats if he comes.
Lapira is still lost somewhere in the Urals or something isnt he?

Yohan
01-20-2009, 12:05 AM
And plz no stupid useless friendlies mid season

DigzTFC!
01-20-2009, 12:06 AM
Lapira is in div2 Norway. White looks to be back earlier than mid-season. Ibbe just needs to get stronger. He's almost ready to be a third striker.

Ossington Mental Youth
01-20-2009, 12:44 AM
And plz no stupid useless friendlies mid season

yeah i think Carver ixnayed that

jloome
01-20-2009, 02:32 AM
Carlos Marinelli & Franco Caraccio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco_Caraccio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Marinelli

Just to keep things a little bit of context. These guys were young Argie prospects in Argentina and didn't have success in the MLS. This is a calculated risk

Yeah, but not for talent reasons. Players of those pedigrees who don't make it in MLS don't drop the technique overnight; both guys were great guns and impressing the hell out of everyone when they first got into MLS. But sometimes the MLS lifestyle (lower pay, long distance travel, anemic crowds) and North American culture don't suit the player.

Shakes McQueen
01-20-2009, 03:17 AM
The more I've mulled over this deal, the more I'm kind of excited by it. If this guy hits his stride, we could have a real goal scoring phenom on our hands.

Listened to the Footy Show podcast tonight, and apparently they are all intrigued by him as well.

- Scott

Mikey
01-20-2009, 08:21 AM
Closer look at his stats seem to say he hasn't played much first team football in th last couple of seasons.

Assuming he's not coming as the DP (can't see that) too early to tell.
He made the U20 campaign, so he cant be any worse than Lombardo......can he?

rocker
01-20-2009, 08:22 AM
If grella comes it wont be till next season i would imagine.
Thats if he comes.

I think Mo took Grella without necessarily any intention of him coming to TFC. He would certainly like to have him, but the rights are good for a couple years. So if Grella wants to come back and play for LA Galaxy or something, Mo will get something in return.

jaahuuu
01-20-2009, 09:03 AM
And plz no stupid useless friendlies mid season
If you are an STH you've already paid for one.

brad
01-20-2009, 09:11 AM
He made the U20 campaign, so he cant be any worse than Lombardo......can he?

Making the Argentina U-20 squad is a lot different than making the Canadian one. The player pool down there is huge (and way better) than what we have.

Oldtimer
01-20-2009, 09:19 AM
If you are an STH you've already paid for one.

Carver will field his reserve/sub players. He did that last year.

Shaughno
01-20-2009, 09:22 AM
Carver will field his reserve/sub players. He did that last year.

Exactly what they should be for in this league. Especially with no more reserve league... stupid fucking idea dropping that IMO.

Boris
01-20-2009, 09:27 AM
Exactly what they should be for in this league. Especially with no more reserve league... stupid fucking idea dropping that IMO.

and mine. How are the kids going to develop??
no team will trust starting the kids. Is there a platform where the ibby's can constantly play and keep fit?

Shaughno
01-20-2009, 09:30 AM
At the moment... no. That's what boggles my mind. You sign this young kids (great idea) either from NCAA or wherever, but then you can't give them actual playing time... it just makes absofuckinglutely no sense whatsoever to me.

Some leagues around the world have multiple different tiers below the first team. Like; Reserves, U-20, U-18, U-16, etc.

Boris
01-20-2009, 09:41 AM
well thats my point also.
I dont get it at all. If the youths cant develop and theres more of a international prsence in the league how will the domestic kids develop?!?!?!

like you said it makes no sense. That was my first thought when the league was cancelled. Juan and i have this discussion a lot. This will prove to be more costly in the long run.

Hitcho
01-20-2009, 10:06 AM
At the moment... no. That's what boggles my mind. You sign this young kids (great idea) either from NCAA or wherever, but then you can't give them actual playing time... it just makes absofuckinglutely no sense whatsoever to me.

Some leagues around the world have multiple different tiers below the first team. Like; Reserves, U-20, U-18, U-16, etc.

I'm with you on this issue for sure, but my I think the approach they took was to drop the reserve league to ease rpessure on cap space and roster spots for the first teams. it's short sighted though. A much better approach would have been to raise the cap space, or if they were that worried abotu it to create two separate caps - reserves and first team, and if you're counted under one cap you can only play a certain number of first XI games, otherwise you start taking a hit on allocation money etc (unless you can prove you had to call the reserve player up through injury etc, on a case by case basis). it sounds complicated, but the whole fucking league is awash with stupidly over-complicated rules about rosters and caps, so why not add another one to keep the reserve elague alive and allow teams to develop young talent?

Pachuco
01-20-2009, 10:35 AM
And plz no stupid useless friendlies mid season

Well you can look at it this way, that stupid friendly mid season against Independiente could've just scored us a promising 23 year old Argentine forward ;)

StandUpIfYouHateChelsea
01-20-2009, 10:48 AM
omg a paul stalteri look alike!!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Lucky Strike
01-20-2009, 11:18 AM
and mine. How are the kids going to develop??
no team will trust starting the kids. Is there a platform where the ibby's can constantly play and keep fit?

I suppose theoretically, two MLS teams can come to an agreement saying: "hey would you like to have a reserve friendly (with the same rules/limitations they used to have like only players who've played less than 35 minutes this week in the league can particpate, etc.) a few hours after our match or the day after?"

It benefits both teams in that the reserves get some playing time, there's no obligation and teams wouldn't be under any additional financial pressure.

Shaughno
01-20-2009, 11:22 AM
I suppose theoretically, two MLS teams can come to an agreement saying: "hey would you like to have a reserve friendly (with the same rules/limitations they used to have like only players who've played less than 35 minutes this week in the league can particpate, etc.) a few hours after our match or the day after?"

It benefits both teams in that the reserves get some playing time, there's no obligation and teams wouldn't be under any additional financial pressure.

Because you know... teams should be setting these kinds of things up for their kids (and the leagues upcoming players) on their own.

I'm sorry but anyway I look at this, it's just terrible for the progression of the league.

Ossington Mental Youth
01-20-2009, 11:26 AM
im sure itll come back but not for a bit, its a bit shit, i would also think that the players might demand it at the next negotiations

nfitz
01-20-2009, 11:47 AM
If you are an STH you've already paid for one.Then stick it off-season sometime. No need to make everyone else pay for it! Or why not play the game the same day as the all-start game. It's not televised, so it doesn't compete except for the 20,000 in the stadium - and it could be played in the daytime so not to conflict.

Hitcho
01-20-2009, 01:03 PM
^ nice idea, but you forget that MLS effectively owns all the franchises too, and no way would they sanction one of their clubs staging a match that comeptes in way with their glimmering show piece event.

I can take one friendly a season, because it gives JC a chance to run out some of the players who get fewer starts, especially now the reserve league has gone.

ensco
01-20-2009, 01:13 PM
It had to be a cost cutting move. No other explanation for it.

But it's a lot like burning your furniture to keep your house warm - you can do it for a while....