[Rumour] TFC after 1st pick

[MG42]

Toronto FC currently holds the No. 2 and No. 4 picks in the MLS Draft, but that may not be enough for TFC director of soccer Mo Johnston's liking.
According to sources, Toronto is in discussions with the Seattle Sounders about moving up to the No. 1 overall pick. It is unclear just how receptive Seattle is to the idea, but TFC could wind up with the top two picks in the draft.
If Toronto does succeed in landing the No. 1 pick, it wouldn't mark the first time Johnston has had the top pick in the draft. In 2006, when he was Red Bulls head coach, Johnston traded the No. 5 and Jason Hernandez to Chivas USA for the No. 1 pick, which he used on Marvell Wynne. In 2007, Johnston drafted Maurice Edu No. 1 overall.


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[justin]

hmm no thanks. trade the picks for CB help.

[ginkster88]

This only makes sense if someone really really wants zakuni and Mo really really wants someone they have. Perhaps it may be easier for TFC to jump up one spot and trade that pick for what we really need.

[Lucky Strike]

I don't know if it's wise. We have #2 and #4, there's the question of diminshing returns as you move up the ladder. I don't think the cost of moving up would exceed the reward for doing so by getting a better player.

[Bluenose13]

hmm no thanks. trade the picks for CB help.Or trade the #1 pick for a CB

[MG42]

This only makes sense if someone really really wants zakuni and Mo really really wants someone they have. Perhaps it may be easier for TFC to jump up one spot and trade that pick for what we really need.


That's my guess since all we've been hearing is how they are going to trade the #2 and #4 away

[BFin]

Or trade the #1 pick for a CB
agreed, just because he is trading for the pick doesn't mean he is going to keep the selection. It could just be leverage for something Mo is working on in the background.

[ensco]

agreed, just because he is trading for the pick doesn't mean he is going to keep the selection. It could just be leverage for something Mo is working on in the background.

I put this up elsewhere but I am re-posting it here, as it may help shed light on why TFC would be talking about this. I think maybe they want to make sure they get Gonzalez, so that they can trade him (obviously this is just wild speculation on my part :)....). This would work if Seattle is fine with Cronin, but are looking to get something in return for leaving Gonzalez for TFC (or whomever they trade him to).....

Buzz Carrick thinks Zakuani didn't look so hot, and Gonzalez has been great. He wonders if Seattle may now shop it's first pick overall to whomever wants Gonzalez the most - if so, that would be game over for the "Serioux to TFC for the pick to take Gonzalez" trade, perhaps

http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/01/mls...eport-day-one/ (http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/01/mls-combine-report-day-one/)

The other clear star, in his opinion, is Sam Cronin. So dealing our first pick may depend on the level of interest in Cronin.

http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/01/mls...eport-day-two/ (http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/01/mls-combine-report-day-two/)

[Shakes McQueen]

Anyone think that maybe Mo is dangling Tyrone Marshall in front of Seattle, for the 1st overall pick?

Assuming this is true, anyway.

- Scott

[BFin]

I put this up elsewhere but I am re-posting it here, as it may help shed light on why TFC would be talking about this. I think maybe they want to make sure they get Gonzalez, so that they can trade him (obviously this is just wild speculation on my part :)....)

Buzz Carrick thinks Zakuani didn't look so hot, and Gonzalez has been great. He wonders if Seattle may now shop it's first pick overall to whomever wants Gonzalez the most - if so, there goes the "Serioux to TFC for the pick to take Gonzalez" trade

http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/01/mls...eport-day-one/ (http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/01/mls-combine-report-day-one/)

The other clear star, in his opinion, is Sam Cronin. So dealing our first pick may depend on the level of interest in Cronin.

http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/01/mls...eport-day-two/

Ya, I suppose this only serves to heat up the Serioux rumors even more. A prospect who can't step in right away and make a difference, does not exactly make sense for us at this juncture, so I suppose landing the first overall pick may just be Mo's insurance policy on the successful completion of the Serioux deal (or so we are assuming).

Either way, I love how active Mo is...great to have some excitement in the off-season.

[ensco]

RSL's boss thinks nobody is trading their top picks
(tip of hat to Lucky Strike for posting this article in another thread)

http://deseretnews.com/blogs/1,5322,26,00.html?bD=20090109

Lagerway feels that this year's draft pool is better than it was last year. He also thinks there are a handful of extremely talented players at the top of this year's draft class.

"There's some exceptional talent at the top. I think it will be blatantly obvious by the end of the combine who those players are," said Lagerway. "No one's gonna be trading away those picks."

[ensco]

Anyone think that maybe Mo is dangling Tyrone Marshall in front of Seattle, for the 1st overall pick?

Assuming this is true, anyway.

- Scott

This is a dream. Marshall is 34, Nick Garcia (the veteran CB traded to SJ for the top pick last year) was only 28. Marshall would only be a throw-in, in any deal for that pick.

[TFC OZZ]

Anyone think that maybe Mo is dangling Tyrone Marshall in front of Seattle, for the 1st overall pick?

Assuming this is true, anyway.

- Scott
I wouldn't be surprised

[Beach_Red]

This is a dream. Marshall is 34, Nick Garcia (the veteran CB traded to SJ for the top pick last year) was only 28. Marshall would only be a throw-in, in any deal for that pick.

Yes, that seems reasonable, but look at what Seattle has done so far - look at who they took in the draft and they've aleady used their DP allocation on a guy who looks to be injured a lot.

Is Seattle planning for any kind of future, or do they look like they want to contend right away? A veteran like Marshall would be good for an expansion team, but is that how Seattle sees themselves?

[Pigfynn]

Maybe Marshall and our late 1st rounder (13th?) for their first overall?

That be good eh? 1st, 2nd and 4th!

[ensco]

Yes, that seems reasonable, but look at what Seattle has done so far - look at who they took in the draft and they've aleady used their DP allocation on a guy who looks to be injured a lot.

Is Seattle planning for any kind of future, or do they look like they want to contend right away? A veteran like Marshall would be good for an expansion team, but is that how Seattle sees themselves?

They need everything, including guys like Marshall, but 34 year olds just aren't close to worth first overall draft picks, even in this league. Plus, let's face it, Marshall is no Jimmy Conrad (or Jim Brennan) - he's a pretty inconsistent player.

[ensco]

Maybe Marshall and our late 1st rounder (13th?) for the the first overall?

That be good eh? 1st, 2nd and 4th!

Also a dream. Don't forget Marshall's an international.

I think it'd take our number 4 pick plus either Dunivant (not Marshall), or our number 13 pick, to get Seattle's number one pick

[Pachuco]

hmm no thanks. trade the picks for CB help.

I really don't think their is even remotely close information to make a statement like that. We have no idea what Mo wants to do with the 1st pick, there are many scenarios where that 1st pick DOES land us CB help.

[Shakes McQueen]

This is a dream. Marshall is 34, Nick Garcia (the veteran CB traded to SJ for the top pick last year) was only 28. Marshall would only be a throw-in, in any deal for that pick.

I don't think it would be JUST Marshall - probably Marshall and our fourth overall pick or something.

But as we apparently know via Ives, Seattle's management really likes Marshall, and somewhat covets his services.

And as we also know via reality, Mo is a wily son of a bitch, who could probably get Fernando Torres for a pack of smokes and a can of tennis balls, if you let him negotiate long enough. :D

- Scott

[poppamidnight]

I don't think it would be JUST Marshall - probably Marshall and our fourth overall pick or something.

But as we apparently know via Ives, Seattle's management really likes Marshall, and somewhat covets his services.

And as we also know via reality, Mo is a wily son of a bitch, who could probably get Fernando Torres for a pack of smokes and a can of tennis balls, if you let him negotiate long enough. :D

- Scott

Yea thats what i was thinking:

Marshall + 4th
for
1st + Allocation?

[Beach_Red]

Also a dream. Don't forget Marshall's an international.

I think it'd take our number 4 pick plus either Dunivant (not Marshall), or our number 13 pick, to get Seattle's number one pick

Jarrod Smith's an international, too ;).

You watch, it'll be Marshall and the #4 pick for the #1 pick.

[Yohan]

wtf will 1st rd pick do for us now? better swap what picks we do have for seasoned players

[Pigfynn]

^^ we have to take one player I think.

but ya, use the other two for trades.

[Stencils]

Wynne and Edu aren't exactly a bad track record for Johnston's first picks overall.

[Oldtimer]

Not having the #1 pick lowers the value of our #2, since the #1 is being shopped.

Mo might be after the #1 for trade bait.

Maybe:

#4 + Marshall for the #1

#1 for Serioux

#2 + allocation for a solid CB or Striker, or exercise pick and either keep or trade who we get.

#13 for White.

Whatever he does, Mo will come out on top. The draft is his forte.

[jloome]

Great minds think alike. From the draft thread yesterday:

jloome:
I think the surprise might be if seattle trades the first pick to someone who wants Stefan Frei, whom they don't need. LA would probably start him straight out of school, and my hunch on the reviews so far is that, in the long run, he stands the best chance of gaining any team a massive financial return.

If he is better than Guzan was at this point, he could eventually be a $4-million-to-$5 million player in a couple of years; comparatively, the odds seem lower that Zakuani, a player who already did a tour in the Arsenal youth academy and is a known quantity, would have ended up playing U.S. college soccer if his prospects were as significant.
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[Hitcho]

if we do get the first overall pick i expect us to pick up zakuani and either keep him (DD is in his last season don't forget) or trade him to a side that really wants him in another piece of Trader Mo magic. either result would suit me.

white at 13 would be good too - get him with a low pick, let him recover and then have him for next season. if he flops, we've lost very little, if he's a hit we got him for nothing.

[jloome]

if we do get the first overall pick i expect us to pick up zakuani and either keep him (DD is in his last season don't forget) or trade him to a side that really wants him in another piece of Trader Mo magic. either result would suit me.

white at 13 would be good too - get him with a low pick, let him recover and then have him for next season. if he flops, we've lost very little, if he's a hit we got him for nothing.

Yeah, White's still a smart pick, as prospect. THe problem will be that he may decide to try Europe instead. There are a lot of Jamaican players in England and Scotland, and he could sign for more in the early stages of his career there and develop just as quickly. I wouldn't be surprised, assuming he fully recovers, if he didn't try it there first.

[Hitcho]

Yeah, White's still a smart pick, as prospect. THe problem will be that he may decide to try Europe instead. There are a lot of Jamaican players in England and Scotland, and he could sign for more in the early stages of his career there and develop just as quickly. I wouldn't be surprised, assuming he fully recovers, if he didn't try it there first.


true, but if he wants to get drafted now, MLS can put him over a barrell and make him sign a 5 year contract or something, no? so then if we do draft him, we either get him for his best years before he leaves or we get a tasty transfer fee for him, as with edu. it;d be a huge risk for him not to go into the draft now in the hope that he heals up and gets a shot in europe, i don;t think he'll take that risk - i wouldn;t!!

[ensco]

not sure Dallas will be in such a rush to lose a veteran like Serioux, as Davino is leaving....

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/114/mexico/2009/01/08/1051513/mexican-mercado-galindo-is-a-chiva

After an unforgettable MLS season with FC Dallas, defender Duilio Davino will return to Mexican football to play with Puebla in the Torneo Clausura 2009. The 32-year-old is the ninth reinforcement ahead of the upcoming campaign and he reached a satisfactory agreement with Camotero officials to play for the following five months. The former America and El Tri defender expressed that he experienced nostalgia for the atmosphere of Mexican football and did not have to think twice when Puebla approached him with their offer and salvation plans.

“The truth is that I miss Mexican football, the people, press, fans, and signing autographs,” Davino stated. “The fans in the United States are not as involved. Also, this team is interested in me, they have an objective and want to survive” in the first division.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

its gonna make an interesting day on thurs thats for sure
god i hope we really do get our cbs that we need

[DigzTFC!]

Personally, and I will get attacked for this, I think Ives is full of shit a lot of the time. That piece he did on possible teams looking to trade with TFC was complete speculation and not based on any conversation he had with GMs or inside sources. He might be bang on here or he could be trying to elevate his hit count. He repeated the Serioux trade from our sources (Ben Knight).

This instance is more believable as he is in Florida but logic would show that Mo doesn't really need to trade up. Only scenario I can see this happening with is Marshall and the 4rth. Trading the second would be absolute stupidty.

[MG42]

Personally, and I will get attacked for this, I think Ives is full of shit a lot of the time. That piece he did on possible teams looking to trade with TFC was complete speculation and not based on any conversation he had with GMs or inside sources. He might be bang on here or he could be trying to elevate his hit count. He repeated the Serioux trade from our sources (Ben Knight).

This instance is more believable as he is in Florida but logic would show that Mo doesn't really need to trade up. Only scenario I can see this happening with is Marshall and the 4rth. Trading the second would be absolute stupidty.

Not an attack, but my opinion is that Ives is quite discerning when posting "rumours". He is rarely the first to break a story, and I think that is because he waits for confirmations. I have no trouble believing that MoJo has changed his mind on what he wants to do on draft day.

I also believe if he wanted to increase his hit count he could post something a little more flashy than a small TFC story.

It's draft week, there's bound to be a lot of flip-flopping :)

[rocker]

ya let's not forget that things change. He could report honestly on what he hears at the time from a good source, and then the people involved change their minds.
I think Ives is a pretty standup guy.

[mohawk]

I read somewhere that Ives and Mo have a relationship that dates back to when Mo was with NY, since Ives is based in New Jersey. Why wouldn't Mo drop a hint or two to Ives just to make some waves? That wily Scot, god bless him!

[Brooker]

Mo is too unpredictable to even begin to speculate about this draft and i think his track record of fooling people speaks for itself. i don't doubt that he could pull off some sneaky deals this time around..... and christ, who would u rather have stearing this ship?

[Cashcleaner]

agreed, just because he is trading for the pick doesn't mean he is going to keep the selection. It could just be leverage for something Mo is working on in the background.

That might be exactly what the plan is. I don't really now what the intention is for the rest of the teams in the league, but I agree that getting a veteran stopper is more of a priority than bringing in a draftee to fill a position that we already have covered.

Bah! I've given up on these predictions a long time ago, though.

[ensco]

My prediction: Mo is going to keep picks 2 and 4. He may trade 13.

[rocker]

My prediction: Mo is going to keep picks 2 and 4. He may trade 13.

he could keep em, pick the best `names` in the draft and still trade the guys later.. if he can`t work out a deal in time for the draft.

[BFin]

MY Prediction: Mo gets every pick in the draft for Marshall straight up. He will play for every team in the league once.

Second Prediction: We are probably nowhere close to having any idea what Mo's got going on.

I'm going to give up on this and focus on my consistent hatred towards the sunshine girls...until we get Serioux at least! haha

[Stryker]

Might as well go on record now as saying Im fully behind Mo and Carver running the show. The only gripe I have with ethier of them is that I think Carver may have blown a game or two last season with his "keep the shirt" mentality.
Mo has shown he usually comes out on top when making trades. The Cunty deal being his only failure. We just wanted him gone so badly though that just being able get him out of the dressing room(s) and dumping his salary off on someone seemed like an acomplishment even if we didnt get anything in return.
One way or another come friday Im sure well be significantly better off than we are now in terms of roster quality.

[ensco]

he could keep em, pick the best `names` in the draft and still trade the guys later.. if he can`t work out a deal in time for the draft.

Could be.

My point is that in MLS the really high draft picks have such a "lottery ticket" feel to them (you're 75-85% likely to get a dud, there are not many Edu/Soumare stories), which makes them incredibly hard to value.

For the exact same reason that we all want to deal one of the high picks for Serioux, I really don't understand why Dallas would do that.