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marquis
09-25-2008, 07:37 PM
I've watched last night the Montreal vs. Atlante game and I was quite impressed by the way their coach prepared the game. Even though on paper and judging by players' talent, the gap between the two teams should have been huge, Montreal could've won the game last night! John Limniatis managed to anihilate all the strengths of the mexican team, simply by the way the players were positioned on the field. Not only that, but there were significant stretches when Mtl. was able to dominate the game and create opportunities. All of these with a team of sub-mediocre players!
In my opinion, this is the kind of context when a good coach can shine. Unfortunately, I've never seen anything like this in Carver, not to mention that our players should be a lot better than Mtl's. On the same note, all that Dale Mitchel was able to do against Mexico was to defend in front of the goal and hope for a miracle...

We a need (a) John Limniatis ASAP, otherwise we're gonna be stuck at the bottom until MoJo completes his "5 year plan" and then we'll have to start over.

Beach_Red
09-25-2008, 07:40 PM
^ Yes, and if you added a DP striker to Montreal, they would have won that game.

Azerban
09-25-2008, 07:52 PM
John Limniatis managed to anihilate all the strengths of the mexican team, simply by the way the players were positioned on the field.

For someone who didn't watch the game, mind going into more detail?

marquis
09-25-2008, 08:04 PM
For someone who didn't watch the game, mind going into more detail?

I'm not a specialist, but I can say the marking was very tight, there was no space on sides and the middle was always able to launch a counterattack quite speedy. I didn't see at any time the kind of boulevards in front of the box that TFC allows (especially away).
I don't mean Montreal was AC Milan, but they really looked good against a clearly better opponent.

redcard
09-25-2008, 08:12 PM
one key point though, and not to take alot away from luminiatis, but....atlante was resting their star players.

oxygenatedbrain
09-25-2008, 10:29 PM
It is pretty much overlooked that L'Impact under De Santis at the start of the season and now under Limniatis is night and day (he says without checking the thread to see if anyone else has mentioned it...)

Grande has been a good addition, but it's Limno's organization and understanding of the talent he has (not great!) that has turned them into a team that grinds out results...which is enviable.

PaulinosTFC
09-25-2008, 11:08 PM
I was thinking the exact same thing while watching this game, not only is Montreal a night and day team compared to while under De Santis but it has to be said that the Impact and TFC are night and day as well, with TFC obviously being the inferior. Also, I was thinking more along the lines of WE NEED LIMNIATIS FOR THE CMNT! Look at what he's accomplished with these kind of players, imagine what he could do with a few players playing in elite European leagues plus Hutchinsons and De Rosarios.

Montreal may not be the superior team in terms of skill and class but their positioning and mental approach to the game are actually pretty amazing, all things considered. They don't give attacking players the room or time to move the ball around and more importantly they have the confidence to challenge them. Their attackers run at defenders, make passes then get into better positions. For the most part they make VERY smart plays with the ball and their off-the-ball movement is LIGHTYEARS ahead of TFC''s. To me, this is all a sign of an exceptional coach and Limniatis has definitely shown me something over seeing the few games they've played in the NCC and CCL. CARVER, TAKE SOME FUCKING NOTES!

Shakes McQueen
09-25-2008, 11:35 PM
one key point though, and not to take alot away from luminiatis, but....atlante was resting their star players.

Bing!

It's also worth mentioning that in the Nutrilite Championship, we never actually lost to Montreal. We beat them on the road, and got a draw at home in the midst of our bad slide (because Cunny couldn't hit the broad side of a transport truck). It was Vancouver who ultimately cost us.

- Scott

rocker
09-25-2008, 11:42 PM
Bing!

It's also worth mentioning that in the Nutrilite Championship, we never actually lost to Montreal. We beat them on the road, and got a draw at home in the midst of our bad slide (because Cunny couldn't hit the broad side of a transport truck). It was Vancouver who ultimately cost us.

I'm glad you bring this up.. I never want Montreal fans to start getting in their minds that they beat us! ;)
they never did... we beat them on their turf (first ever goal scored at Saputo was by TFC!) and on our turf, we scored first, and led much of the play for a good portion of the first half. Montreal came back of course... but then in the last 20 minutes it was a TFC onslaught of chance after chance and their keeper saved their asses.
in that vancouver game at BMO, Vancouver benefited from a weak penalty call by that shit ref. they played well but i think it was pretty even overall.

in the game at Vancouver, TFC actually dominated good portions of the game (some of the best play I've seen from them) but then two massive defensive breakdowns in two instances led to goals.

some people make it sound like TFC was dominated in the tourney.

Oldtimer
09-26-2008, 07:25 AM
Actually, we should sign Montreal's keeper. Sutton's good, except for the occasional brain-freeze, but MTL's is amazing.

Tintin
09-26-2008, 07:32 AM
I'm glad you bring this up.. I never want Montreal fans to start getting in their minds that they beat us! ;)
they never did... we beat them on their turf (first ever goal scored at Saputo was by TFC!) and on our turf, we scored first, and led much of the play for a good portion of the first half. Montreal came back of course... but then in the last 20 minutes it was a TFC onslaught of chance after chance and their keeper saved their asses.
in that vancouver game at BMO, Vancouver benefited from a weak penalty call by that shit ref. they played well but i think it was pretty even overall.

in the game at Vancouver, TFC actually dominated good portions of the game (some of the best play I've seen from them) but then two massive defensive breakdowns in two instances led to goals.

some people make it sound like TFC was dominated in the tourney.

But for the ske of Canadian soccer, Thank God Montreal made it and not TFC. TFC would be either out by now or would have loste the last 2 games. Montreal is way more consistent and has improved greatly with the new coach and several new players. I garantee you that if the Impact would play TFC now, they would win.

CoachGT
09-26-2008, 07:41 AM
But for the ske of Canadian soccer, Thank God Montreal made it and not TFC. TFC would be either out by now or would have loste the last 2 games. Montreal is way more consistent and has improved greatly with the new coach and several new players. I garantee you that if the Impact would play TFC now, they would win.

I'm with you about TFC not being in the CL, because more games are not the solution right now, and I didn't think so at the time, either. But I'm not sure the Impact would win easily were they to play again today. If it came down to a one player difference for TFC between the two games, I'll take Barrett over Cunningham any day of the week. And to play a game between the two now may have a significantly different result. The Toronto players were embarrassed by the performance against Montreal at BMO (and should have been). I don't think they took Montreal lightly at the time, but they would be seeking retribution. Or, at least, I'd like to think so.

Tintin
09-26-2008, 07:53 AM
I'm with you about TFC not being in the CL, because more games are not the solution right now, and I didn't think so at the time, either. But I'm not sure the Impact would win easily were they to play again today. If it came down to a one player difference for TFC between the two games, I'll take Barrett over Cunningham any day of the week. And to play a game between the two now may have a significantly different result. The Toronto players were embarrassed by the performance against Montreal at BMO (and should have been). I don't think they took Montreal lightly at the time, but they would be seeking retribution. Or, at least, I'd like to think so.


I did not say that it would be easy but the way that the Impact are plyaing right now under pressure, they sure would be battle tested. When has Toronto played or won a significant pressure must win game? The Impact habe been playing a ton of those lately in the CC and in the league.

Next year's game will be a classic. I can't wait for those games. Both teams and set of fans will be passionate about this. At least I know the TFC fans will, but don't know about the players.

invictusTFC
09-26-2008, 08:24 AM
I think some people have missed the point of this thread. I believe the point is that Limniatus has proven to be a very capable coach. He has implemented a system in Montreal that the players have bought into and it has translated into some success. The team plays a very structured and organized game. They utilize their strengths and neautralize those of their opponents.
I know that it is sometimes hard to swallow, but as TFC fans we have to admit that this has been our teams most glaring weakness. Week in and week out I watch our team and it doesn't feel like they have bought into Carvers system. It looks like many players are out of sync with each other.
Montreal didn't beat us in the Nutralite CC, but they were the team that advanced, and so far they have had some commendable success. They're success is being achieved as a collective, where as I look at my beloved TFC and just see a team of individuals.

Billy the kid
09-26-2008, 08:34 AM
The strategy they used was very effective. Atlante didn't have any room when they got into Montreal's final third and as a result Jordan didn't have to face any really difficult shots. Since Lumniatus joined Montreal they have done very well to come all the way back into a playoff spot in the USL and do well in champions league play.

TFC was a much different team when Dichio was healthy. They weren't great, but atleast they could win at home.

SilverSamurai
09-26-2008, 08:38 AM
I was thinking the exact same thing while watching this game, not only is Montreal a night and day team compared to while under De Santis but it has to be said that the Impact and TFC are night and day as well, with TFC obviously being the inferior. Also, I was thinking more along the lines of WE NEED LIMNIATIS FOR THE CMNT! Look at what he's accomplished with these kind of players, imagine what he could do with a few players playing in elite European leagues plus Hutchinsons and De Rosarios.

Montreal may not be the superior team in terms of skill and class but their positioning and mental approach to the game are actually pretty amazing, all things considered. They don't give attacking players the room or time to move the ball around and more importantly they have the confidence to challenge them. Their attackers run at defenders, make passes then get into better positions. For the most part they make VERY smart plays with the ball and their off-the-ball movement is LIGHTYEARS ahead of TFC''s. To me, this is all a sign of an exceptional coach and Limniatis has definitely shown me something over seeing the few games they've played in the NCC and CCL. CARVER, TAKE SOME FUCKING NOTES!
I agree. The Montreal coach should be the CMNT coach. I'm in awe with how he's been able to turn them around. If can make a sub-par talent squad perform that well, he could work wonders w/ JDG, DeRo and Hutchison.
From hearing the broadcasts the announcers have commented how he's a hard-ass and perfectionist, but hey if it works, why not?
And for the CSA, he's Canadian! He's also played for the CMNT back in the day so he already knows about all the BS that goes with it.


I think some people have missed the point of this thread. I believe the point is that Limniatus has proven to be a very capable coach. He has implemented a system in Montreal that the players have bought into and it has translated into some success. The team plays a very structured and organized game. They utilize their strengths and neautralize those of their opponents.
I know that it is sometimes hard to swallow, but as TFC fans we have to admit that this has been our teams most glaring weakness. Week in and week out I watch our team and it doesn't feel like they have bought into Carvers system. It looks like many players are out of sync with each other.
Montreal didn't beat us in the Nutralite CC, but they were the team that advanced, and so far they have had some commendable success. They're success is being achieved as a collective, where as I look at my beloved TFC and just see a team of individuals.
+1:( sadly.

Beach_Red
09-26-2008, 10:19 AM
The Toronto players were embarrassed by the performance against Montreal at BMO (and should have been). I don't think they took Montreal lightly at the time, but they would be seeking retribution. Or, at least, I'd like to think so.

Yeah, and I'd like to think they'd have been so embarrassed about the way they played against Vancouver at BMO they'd have gone after some retribution.

Missing the playoffs this year will be bad, but not making it past Montreal and Vancouver has really made this season terrible.

redcard
09-26-2008, 11:05 AM
well the one thing that liminiatis has proven is that he can get it done with a mostly Canadian team, that doesnt have stars!

trane
09-26-2008, 07:13 PM
It is not just Limniatis, I have to keep on saying it just because we can learn alot from the Montreal Organization, but they have a better organization then us. When they come to the MLS, with the extra money they will have they should be competetive quickly.

Canary Canuck
09-27-2008, 01:38 PM
Limniatis might be even more fiery than Carver. After Seattle fans heckled him last night he lost it and went into the supporters section to yell and swear at the Seattle fans. Pictures below. Story here: http://goalseattle2.blogspot.com/2008/09/sounders-take-first-leg-2-1-as-emotions.html




http://goalseattle.com/photos/MTL/m1.jpg



http://goalseattle.com/photos/MTL/m2.jpg


http://goalseattle.com/photos/MTL/m3.jpg

SEXYGREEKMALE
09-27-2008, 01:40 PM
Wow, guys learn how to spell the guy's name. It's LIMNIATIS!
P.S. Greeks do everything better!