Toronto FC to retain Carver

[johnmolinaro]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2008/09/08/mls-torontofc-carver.html

[Shaughno]

I'm glad to hear that. I would like to see what he can get out of this team with a proper preseason.



"He's let me get on with my job, and I appreciate the fact that he hasn't interfered with the team. He's not told me what players to pick."
Carver revealed he's already sat down with Johnston and talked about what they plan to do to strengthen the roster for next season.
"We're already planning for when this season comes to an end about where we're going, what we’re going to do and how we're going to recruit," Carver explained.
"It's important that we don’t react to the situation now and bring in new people just for the sake of it. That's why we're thinking long-term and about next season."
That's not to say Carver has thrown in the towel on the current campaign.


Also good to hear for those saying Mo made all the signings and shit. :p

[Pigfynn]

I agree, let's see how he does with a full MLS season under his belt. Now that the shock of how totally fucked this league is, is most likely wearing off:)

[nobodybeatsthewiz]

me too....hopefully the lynch carver threads will subside

[RPB_Brantford_08]

Best news to hit TFC after a week of crap from the MLS office, this should be a busy off season maybe enough to keep the Leafs off peoples minds..haha
A couple of good signings should make the off season shorter....

[Pigfynn]

me too....hopefully the lynch carver threads will subside


I doubt that.

I'm starting to think that about 60-65% of the people on this forum are mindless drones, who hate the team and themselves.

[BuSaPuNk]

Great news! In Carver we trust!!! Now he has a base with these players and they can build on the system that Carver intraduced this year.

[Boris]

I doubt that.

I'm starting to think that about 60-65% of the people on this forum are mindless drones, who hate the team and themselves.

hahaha..best thing ive heard in a couple days

[flatpicker]

Welcome back Carver!

welcome back, welcome back, welcome back...

[SLBuu]

I doubt that.

I'm starting to think that about 60-65% of the people on this forum are mindless drones, who hate the team and themselves.

LMAO!!!!!!!!

i had to laugh at this one...........

its funny cuz its so true.

[ensco]

OK but I wonder if we should do an "open letter" type thing about his propensity to call players out in public. I have always wanted him to stay, but just cringe when he takes players apart in the press conferences

He's done it with Velez today - sure it's deserved, but that's not the point, there was no need to air this in public.

It may be refreshing, but it's divisive.

[Derko]

Great news.

[Carts]

Welcome back...
The trolls were your ticket out...
Welcome back...
To that same old turf we complain about..
Cause the dreams haven't changed since you been around...
We'd love to win a lot more and stop being clowns...
Who'da thought they'd see ya...
Who'da thought they'd see ya...
Right here where we need ya...
Right here where we need ya...
The trolls tease him alot, but he's got the coaching spot...
Welcome back...
Welcome back... Welcome back... Welcome back...

Carts... (I'm defintely no songwriter lol)...

[flatpicker]

^ haha... I started the song earlier but really didn't have the ambition to take it as far as you.

[Dbl_D]

Welcome back Carver!

welcome back, welcome back, welcome back...

carver deserves a few beers for wearing a tie on sat-day...:hump:

[rocker]

I agree, let's see how he does with a full MLS season under his belt. Now that the shock of how totally fucked this league is, is most likely wearing off:)

ya, i think he'll be better next year with a year's experience. you can't coach MLS the same way you coach over in England. As you say, I think he's finally adjusting to what needs to be done in MLS. It has its own quirky, weird reality. He'll also have much better knowledge now of his opposition's tendencies. He'll know what kind of quality you need to succeed here.

[Bluenose13]

Welcome back...
The trolls were your ticket out...
Welcome back...
To that same old turf we complain about..
Cause the dreams haven't changed since you been around...
We'd love to win a lot more and stop being clowns...
Who'da thought they'd see ya...
Who'da thought they'd see ya...
Right here where we need ya...
Right here where we need ya...
The trolls tease him alot, but he's got the coaching spot...
Welcome back...
Welcome back... Welcome back... Welcome back...

Carts... (I'm defintely no songwriter lol)...Well played Carts :D

[kdzb]

This is good news.
I'm positive that he will not go on holidays during the off season.
I have a feeling that next year will be a solid season for our beloved TFC

[GabrielHurl]

And somewhere - giambac is crying

[giambac]

ya, i think he'll be better next year with a year's experience. you can't coach MLS the same way you coach over in England. As you say, I think he's finally adjusting to what needs to be done in MLS. It has its own quirky, weird reality. He'll also have much better knowledge now of his opposition's tendencies. He'll know what kind of quality you need to succeed here.


was he ever a head coach ?? I thought he was always under training to be a coach. please correct me if I'm wrong

[giambac]

And somewhere - giambac is crying

I'm actually not crying. I find this news as another piece to what has been a comical season. why end it today?

Anyways, I don't care who the coach is, I just want TFC to succeed. So hopefully, Carver does turn it around next year (can't get anyworse right;))

Like I said I hope he turns it around. But do me 1 favour. Please keep this post because I have a feeling you'll be crying next season;)

[Shaughno]

was he ever a head coach ?? I thought he was always under training to be a coach. please correct me if I'm wrong

One game for Newcastle and 4 for Leeds if I recall correctly. He was also an Assistant manager at Luton Town before us.

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

was he ever a head coach ?? I thought he was always under training to be a coach. please correct me if I'm wrong


Carver was a Caretaker at both Luton and newcastle.....with means he was a coach on a temp basis at these clubs

[NewcastleFan]

this is great news

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

the last thing we need is another coach to take over the team.....3 in 3 years? no thanks...its like starting over every year!

Im glad carver stays....he's got his feet wet....WE can judge him next season!! :)

[Keyman]

Thank The Lord This Is Settled!

[CoachGT]

In Carver We Trust! I love it that the banner was mentioned!

Good on the team and good on JC!

And you look like a songwriter to me, Carts!

[ManUtd4ever]

Welcome back...
The trolls were your ticket out...
Welcome back...
To that same od turf we complain about..
Cause the dreams haven't changed since you been around...
We'd love to win a lot more and stop being clowns...
Who'da thought they'd see ya...
Who'da thought they'd see ya...
Right here where we need ya...
Right here where we need ya...
The trolls tease him alot, but he's got the coaching spot...
Welcome back...
Welcome back... Welcome back... Welcome back...

Carts... (I'm defintely no songwriter lol)...

:lol: We should make it a chant...

As for the news regarding Carver, it will be positive to have one less potential contoversy surrounding the team as they go forward. I concur with the general consensus in that JC deserves another year to steer the ship back on course with a solid foundation next season.

[ilikemusic]

That will be music to the ears of Toronto fans who unfurled a huge sign reading "In Carver We Trust" during Saturday's 3-1 home loss to Chivas USA.

I wont say anything beyond this...

What a friggin joke. 'In Carver we trust'? Youve got to be joking me. The guy would rather bitch and moan about MLS' rules than deal with em and improve the team. Like every successful manager in this mickey mouse league.

[Boris]

That will be music to the ears of Toronto fans who unfurled a huge sign reading "In Carver We Trust" during Saturday's 3-1 home loss to Chivas USA.

I wont say anything beyond this...

What a friggin joke. 'In Carver we trust'? Youve got to be joking me. The guy would rather bitch and moan about MLS' rules than deal with em and improve the team. Like every successful manager in this mickey mouse league.

so whats your plan then? Get rid of him? Hire someone else, as the revolving door for players continues so will the door for managers. Where would that put us in 3 years from now?

Its sooo easy to get rid of people but there is a price to it down the line.

[Bobo]

I doubt that.

I'm starting to think that about 60-65% of the people on this forum are mindless drones, who hate the team and themselves.


You're right. In fact, they must have all watched a different season. It's not like we're a bottom feeder who has been second best tactically in just about every single game this season.

Right?



A similarity between blind optimists and blind pessimists? I can't find one.

[celt-nick]

That will be music to the ears of Toronto fans who unfurled a huge sign reading "In Carver We Trust" during Saturday's 3-1 home loss to Chivas USA.

I wont say anything beyond this...

What a friggin joke. 'In Carver we trust'? Youve got to be joking me. The guy would rather bitch and moan about MLS' rules than deal with em and improve the team. Like every successful manager in this mickey mouse league.



Great, then I won't say anything beyond this...

That's one of the great things in this beloved country of ours and in this board for that matter. Everyone has the right to post their opinion, no matter how negative, clueless or just plain wrong they are!

-IN CARVER WE TRUST-

[Razor]

Originally Posted by ilikemusic http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?p=175689#post175689)
That will be music to the ears of Toronto fans who unfurled a huge sign reading "In Carver We Trust" during Saturday's 3-1 home loss to Chivas USA.

I wont say anything beyond this...

What a friggin joke. 'In Carver we trust'? Youve got to be joking me. The guy would rather bitch and moan about MLS' rules than deal with em and improve the team. Like every successful manager in this mickey mouse league.



^^^ go cry somewhere else.

i'm glad Carver is staying next season. i hope he turns this club around, at least it will shut up all the whiners on this board who are calling for his head.

in carver we trust!

[T_Mizz]

It sure will be an interesting off-season now that we have stability, lots of money, promise of real grass, and draft picks galore.

[jloome]

You're right. In fact, they must have all watched a different season. It's not like we're a bottom feeder who has been second best tactically in just about every single game this season.

Right?



A similarity between blind optimists and blind pessimists? I can't find one.

Assuming your false supposition that we were "second best tactically" were true; in more than half the games we lost, we outshot the opposition, several times substantially. And under Carver, we had the longest home shutout streak so far for the team. So tactically, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[TFC_Toon]

Good news, John Carver's red army rolls on!

[Beach_Red]

OK but I wonder if we should do an "open letter" type thing about his propensity to call players out in public. I have always wanted him to stay, but just cringe when he takes players apart in the press conferences

He's done it with Velez today - sure it's deserved, but that's not the point, there was no need to air this in public.

It may be refreshing, but it's divisive.

I'm not so sure it's such a problem or so divisive. Certainly there are "player's coaches" who defend their guys too much and maybe Carver goes too far the other way, but not all players respond the same.

Maybe treating the players like professionals and adults is the right way to go.

Though I admit, you'll probably see less of it next year as he settles into the job more.

[RPB_Brantford_08]

That will be music to the ears of Toronto fans who unfurled a huge sign reading "In Carver We Trust" during Saturday's 3-1 home loss to Chivas USA.

I wont say anything beyond this...

What a friggin joke. 'In Carver we trust'? Youve got to be joking me. The guy would rather bitch and moan about MLS' rules than deal with em and improve the team. Like every successful manager in this mickey mouse league.


you bitch and moan more then JC...and he has a right to do it as manger of the club, being forced to play short handed, this league has if faults,
sure but mickey mo se league could be applied to the Premiership, Serie a
and others. look at the way owners are bringing in players managers don't want in europe thats mickey mouse. Carver is the best man for TFC.

[TFC USA]

Please get rid of Mo then...something tells me those two don't work together.

[Beach_Red]

Like every successful manager in this mickey mouse league.

It's true, this league isn't for everyone. Doesn't look like it's for you. Oh well, no big deal, move on.

I watched some YouTube clips from the Belfast Giants hockey team and I realized if I lived there and followed that team I wouldn't be able to think about it as if it was the NHL.

[celt-nick]

you bitch and moan more then JC...and he has a right to do it as manger of the club, being forced to play short handed, this league has if faults,
sure but mickey mo se league could be applied to the Premiership, Serie a
and others. look at the way owners are bringing in players managers don't want in europe thats mickey mouse. Carver is the best man for TFC.


Cheers!

[giambac]

One game for Newcastle and 4 for Leeds if I recall correctly. He was also an Assistant manager at Luton Town before us.

Oh wow,

so he had a grand toatl of 5 games as a head coach before he came to TFC.

My gosh I have to send a personal apology to him. I've been so hard on him but I didn't know. It's not his fault. He is just a young rookie coach learnung the ropes. Okay I say give him another 10 years:cool:

why then is he so hard on our rookie players?? Somewhat double satndards.......

[giambac]

Carver was a Caretaker at both Luton and newcastle.....with means he was a coach on a temp basis at these clubs


Caretaker????:jaw:

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

Caretaker????:jaw:

i thought...id also explain..what the meaning was....im sure you had no fooookin clue!

[giambac]

i thought...id also explain..what the meaning was....im sure you had no fooookin clue!


He was a caretaker, a temp coach......
Why couldn't he get a permanent gig??? I know he didn't want one. He preferred the MLS, the same league he continous to cut up each week.

[Boris]

guys...ONE THREAD THAT DOESNT GO OFF PLEASE......

[RPB_Brantford_08]

Please get rid of Mo then...something tells me those two don't work together.


Mo needs time as well two years is not enough time to build a team in ANY sport and thats fact not fiction.

[AL-MO]

Mo needs time as well two years is not enough time to build a team in ANY sport and thats fact not fiction.

So explain the SJ success this year...

[ensco]

I'm not so sure it's such a problem or so divisive. Certainly there are "player's coaches" who defend their guys too much and maybe Carver goes too far the other way, but not all players respond the same.

Maybe treating the players like professionals and adults is the right way to go.

Though I admit, you'll probably see less of it next year as he settles into the job more.

Not to rehash a topic we've debated before, but, while successful coaches can be quite colourful post-game (think Mourinho or Ferguson), they never go as far as Carver does on a weekly basis

[RPB_Brantford_08]

So explain the SJ success this year...


success? they are in a bad division.....the don;t have the int'l call ups we had to deal with,

[LucaGol]

guys...ONE THREAD THAT DOESNT GO OFF PLEASE......

lol

I just got a vision in my head of you being the babysitter and the posters being the annoying kids you have to take care of.

[Beach_Red]

Not to rehash a topic we've debated before, but, while successful coaches can be quite colourful post-game (think Mourinho or Ferguson), they never go as far as Carver does on a weekly basis

I don't follow European football, but I'll take your word for it.

At the beginning of this year, Carver reminded me of US college football coach. That's kind of the way he treated the players and it's how he dressed.

Now he's wearing a tie and is coming back next year and I think you'll see a few more changes - the calling out of the players is one and the way he talks about the league is another.

All I'm saying is I don't think you need an open letter or anything, I think he gets it (of course, if it continues, then sure).

[TFC USA]

success? they are in a bad division.....the don;t have the int'l call ups we had to deal with,


So what? They're still doing loads better than TFC with the full starters.

[Oldtimer]

I'm glad he's back (and that Ives was wrong for once!).

We need the stability, and he has learned what this league is about.
I'm expecting a better next year.

(BTW, San Jose's awesomeness is due not just to a weak division, but also because they have 2 top players Mo picked, who didn't want to play on turf so went to SJ instead. Huckerby and O'Brien).

[Shakes McQueen]

So explain the SJ success this year...

Sure. They mortgaged their future, in order to have mild success in the present.

They traded away their draft pick, a bunch of allocation money, and their success is entirely dependent on a midfielder in his mid-thirties, who could retire at any time.

After our second year, we managed to get a bunch of new players, allocation money out the wazoo, lots of cap space, and more draft picks than we know what to do with.

We are in better shape than San Jose.

- Scott

[Bobo]

Assuming your false supposition that we were "second best tactically" were true; in more than half the games we lost, we outshot the opposition, several times substantially. And under Carver, we had the longest home shutout streak so far for the team. So tactically, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

So then we play effective football? It's ugly and we lose...

"The longest home shutout streak so far"? What the fuck does that mean? lol. Hey, you didn't even bring up the fact that we haven't had a 9 game scoring drought this year.

Setting aside the fact that, they've been outshot the majority of the time (check the stats), some of those games in which they had more shots they got creeeeamed. Not to mention they were rediculously outshot on occasion. Shots make effective football? EPL fan I guess.

I like Carver a lot but not as head coach.

[RPB_Brantford_08]

So what? They're still doing loads better than TFC with the full starters.


they are not setting the league on fire....put them in the east and see how bad their record would really be.

[LucaGol]

Sure. They mortgaged their future, in order to have mild success in the present.

They traded away their draft pick, a bunch of allocation money, and their success is entirely dependent on a midfielder in his mid-thirties, who could retire at any time.

After our second year, we managed to get a bunch of new players, allocation money out the wazoo, lots of cap space, and more draft picks than we know what to do with.

We are in better shape than San Jose.

- Scott

Ronnie O'Brien is 29 and Huckerby is 32 ... that's hardly retirement age in the MLS ... thats more like ... prime years.

Arturo Alvarez, Ryan Johnson 23, both starters ... both would be starters on our team.

Ryan Cochrane 24, James Riley 26, Jason Hernandez 23 ... I mean ... these are all starters and good ones too. I'd take Cochrane (an MLS champion) any day of the weak over Velez and Marshall. Riley is a pretty intriguing player also.

I dunno where this notion that they are an old team that has paid no attention to youth is coming from.

Ok ... fine, Joe Cannon is 33 ... but he's also probably one of the best 3 goalies in the league.

Hell even Ramiro Corrales isn't that old at 31.

The only really old player they have is Francesco Lima at 37.


Why do people make arguments with the blinders on? .... boh

[nascarguy]

Oh wow,

so he had a grand toatl of 5 games as a head coach before he came to TFC.

My gosh I have to send a personal apology to him. I've been so hard on him but I didn't know. It's not his fault. He is just a young rookie coach learnung the ropes. Okay I say give him another 10 years:cool:

why then is he so hard on our rookie players?? Somewhat double satndards.......
no your right we all have to be hard on him if the suck from game we need to make sure to tell him that but then if he is doing something right we need to tell him to.

he said that in a post game video before he is a good head coach.

[reggie]

i think we should give him a 5 yr no trade contract....WTF.
2 wins in the last 16 or so games,brutal last min losses on the road and out of the CCL(that pisses me off the most this season)would it be great to be in the group stage now instead of mtl.
maybe he can drive a bus in the off season,he has sure put enough players under the bus this season....

[Brooker]

I'm glad to hear that. I would like to see what he can get out of this team with a proper preseason.

can we get him a decent striker and oh... i dunno... defenders?

neways... good on Carver.

JOHN CARVER! FUCK THE WORLD!

[Axeman]

this is great news
You Goddam Right!
We're with you John Carver!:canada:

[GhostPK]

That will be music to the ears of Toronto fans who unfurled a huge sign reading "In Carver We Trust" during Saturday's 3-1 home loss to Chivas USA.

I wont say anything beyond this...

What a friggin joke. 'In Carver we trust'? Youve got to be joking me. The guy would rather bitch and moan about MLS' rules than deal with em and improve the team. Like every successful manager in this mickey mouse league.

Carver has tried to deal with the MLS as far as he can. A coach can only take it so far... plus a Brit trying to tell some Yanks how to run a league? Good luck. Those Yanks got their heads so far up their asses.....
If the MLS can't be persuaded by FIFA, then perhaps the only thing that can shake them up is hitting them where it hurts. MONEY! They are yanks after all...

Give Carver another 2 years minimum. It's hard enough to make a championship team in only 3 years, but he has certainly shown some good potential for another season, and more importantly, his head is in the right place.

[Axeman]

Sure. They mortgaged their future, in order to have mild success in the present.

They traded away their draft pick, a bunch of allocation money, and their success is entirely dependent on a midfielder in his mid-thirties, who could retire at any time.

After our second year, we managed to get a bunch of new players, allocation money out the wazoo, lots of cap space, and more draft picks than we know what to do with.

We are in better shape than San Jose.

- Scott

Agreed, people think we are in a bad way(6 points out of playoffs), but with the oppertunities we have with cap space, and boat load of Drafts, let alone allocation money, we're in the far better position for the future.
Also with good drafts and key signings we're atleast as good as San Jose is possibly next season.

[Shakes McQueen]

Ronnie O'Brien is 29 and Huckerby is 32 ... that's hardly retirement age in the MLS ... thats more like ... prime years.

Arturo Alvarez, Ryan Johnson 23, both starters ... both would be starters on our team.

Ryan Cochrane 24, James Riley 26, Jason Hernandez 23 ... I mean ... these are all starters and good ones too. I'd take Cochrane (an MLS champion) any day of the weak over Velez and Marshall. Riley is a pretty intriguing player also.

I dunno where this notion that they are an old team that has paid no attention to youth is coming from.

Ok ... fine, Joe Cannon is 33 ... but he's also probably one of the best 3 goalies in the league.

Hell even Ramiro Corrales isn't that old at 31.

The only really old player they have is Francesco Lima at 37.


Why do people make arguments with the blinders on? .... boh

Eh? At what point exactly did I say that the whole team was old? I said their team's future is staked to a guy in his mid-thirties.

Where were they before Huckerby arrived? Distant last place in the league. Which means reality also disagrees with your assessment of the talent of the rest of the squad.

Huckerby has 4 goals and 3 assists in 6 games - he is the reason for their turnaround. The same guy that lots of people here criticized Mo for staking a claim on, because he was "washed up" and "over the hill." Silly Mo, always looking at "washed up losers from England", right?

Sans-Huckerby, San Jose have provem themselves to be an incredibly weak team - and Huckerby isn't going to be around for a long time. They should be working on building a stronger core of excellent domestic prospects, and international talent.

Instead, they traded away their 1st round draft pick, and traded away allocation cash. And for what? So they can maybe possibly have a shot of barely sliding into the playoffs due to their weak division, and then getting beaten by a solid overall team like Houston?

Again - they have mortgaged their future for a middling record this season.

- Scott

[Oldtimer]

Instead, they traded away their 1st round draft pick, and traded away allocation cash. And for what? So they can maybe possibly have a shot of barely sliding into the playoffs due to their weak division, and then getting beaten by a solid overall team like Houston?

Again - they have mortgaged their future for a middling record this season.

- Scott

...which is exactly what the Leafs did under JFJ. It's good to see that MLSE's football team is following exactly the opposite strategy: building for the long-term instead of an "instant mediocre." I like it. Now if only MLSE's blue-coloured team would do the same...

[Shakes McQueen]

...which is exactly what the Leafs did under JFJ. It's funny, MLSE's football team is following exactly the opposite strategy: building for the long-term instead of an "instant mediocre." I like it. Now if only MLSE's blue-coloured team would do the same...

I considered making the common "leafs comparison" point, but I was afraid it would dilute the poignancy of what I was trying to say.

Thank you. :)

- Scott

[Pachuco]

success? they are in a bad division.....the don;t have the int'l call ups we had to deal with,

Stop making excuses. San Jose is 4-3-5 against eastern oponents this year. Do you want me to count for you? That's 15 out of 28 points they have right now AGAINST EASTERN OPPONENTS. They've beat both Columbus and New England this year as well. Actually spanked both of them. I think you need a reality check and stop posting crap you know nothing about. This is the 10th post I see from you in the last 3 days that is assumptions and lies.

[Pachuco]

...which is exactly what the Leafs did under JFJ. It's good to see that MLSE's football team is following exactly the opposite strategy: building for the long-term instead of an "instant mediocre." I like it. Now if only MLSE's blue-coloured team would do the same...

WOW, you guys have no idea. You think this is he NHL? where top draft picks turn into instant gold? that's funny. Where's our first pick from last year? GONE. because if these picks are too good, they go, if they are not good enough, then who wants them?

Reality check, until we start scouting young promising players from South America, Asia, Africa then we are not building for the future.

[Bluenose13]

Stop making excuses. San Jose is 4-3-5 against eastern oponents this year. Do you want me to count for you? That's 15 out of 28 points they have right now AGAINST EASTERN OPPONENTS. They've beat both Columbus and New England this year as well. Actually spanked both of them. I think you need a reality check and stop posting crap you know nothing about. This is the 10th post I see from you in the last 3 days that is assumptions and lies.Execpt for the fact that most of San Jose's point have come after they signed the South American star Darren Huckerby........I wonder why Mo didn't think of him :noidea:

[Beach_Red]

WOW, you guys have no idea. You think this is he NHL? where top draft picks turn into instant gold? that's funny. Where's our first pick from last year? GONE. because if these picks are too good, they go, if they are not good enough, then who wants them?

Reality check, until we start scouting young promising players from South America, Asia, Africa then we are not building for the future.

Why does it matter where they're from? As you say if they're too good they go and if they aren't good enough no one wants them. That's just as true for players from South America, Asia, Africa and California.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Carver is good for our league.

[BuSaPuNk]

The first overall picks usually work out in sports but hey sometimes they don't. You want examples of teams that don't need #1 overall picks to win a championship? Detroit Red Wings??? They draft well and don't need a #1 overall pick.

You need to draft well, being able to find talent and potentinal in players that are really mostly unknown. They don't need a superstar. They need quality.

[Boris]

WOW, you guys have no idea. You think this is he NHL? where top draft picks turn into instant gold? that's funny. Where's our first pick from last year? GONE. because if these picks are too good, they go, if they are not good enough, then who wants them?

Reality check, until we start scouting young promising players from South America, Asia, Africa then we are not building for the future.

it doesnt matter where they come from.
If we get a bunch of south americans that dont pan out then most people will say we need more english players.

I think that yes, we do need to scout in more places but have to remember, Most south americans have never heard of toronto in their lives. Can you imagine hwo hard it is to make Toronto attractive to a early 20's kid who has never seen or felt weather colder than 25 degrees.

[romburgundy]

JOHN CARVER! FUCK THE WORLD!
^^
Next weeks banner idea, I love it

[Brooker]

^^
Next weeks banner idea, I love it

it's very fitting. :hump:

[Pachuco]

Execpt for the fact that most of San Jose's point have come after they signed the South American star Darren Huckerby........I wonder why Mo didn't think of him :noidea:

Mo couldn't close the deal, that's his problem. I really don't get what your point is? unless you are saying that it's ok to suck this year because Huckerby signed with San Jose instead of us :rolleyes:

[Roogsy]

Mo couldn't close the deal, that's his problem. I really don't get what your point is? unless you are saying that it's ok to suck this year because Huckerby signed with San Jose instead of us :rolleyes:

His point is that Mo did have him on the radar and Huckerby signed elsewhere. I think that is a proper feather in Mo's hat. We just have to accept that there will be times when people won't want to play here for various reasons...I think it's silly if we blame Mo for that. Would you have prepared to pay DP money for Huckerby, which even then might not have convinced him?

[Maple Leaf Red]

His point is that Mo did have him on the radar and Huckerby signed elsewhere. I think that is a proper feather in Mo's hat. We just have to accept that there will be times when people won't want to play here for various reasons...I think it's silly if we blame Mo for that. Would you have prepared to pay DP money for Huckerby, which even then might not have convinced him?
It's not even that Mo had him on his radar but that he would have signed him if not for the turf.

O'Brien would still be a red if not for the turf.

Would San Jose be as good without those two? No.

The point is that in the world of the Mo/JC bashers there is just black and white unlike the real world where there is tonnes of grey.

[Pachuco]

Why does it matter where they're from? As you say if they're too good they go and if they aren't good enough no one wants them. That's just as true for players from South America, Asia, Africa and California.

You don't get it. I'm not talking about getting a full team of promising 20 year olds straight from College in their respective countries that would get scouted right away. That's not how you'll build a team that will be succesfull in the MLS. You also need the undiscovered 26-30 year olds elsewhere in the world that can give you a solid number of years (these guys don't tend to be scouted as heavily by European teams). Saying that we are building for the future simply because we have lots of draft picks means nothing in the MLS. We need a heck of a lot more then just draft picks if TFC is going to be succesfull. Once again, this isn't the NHL, or NFL, or NBA where these early picks typically turn to gold. Think about it, is there even such a thing as a franchise player in the MLS? there couldn't be, mostly because if these young guys show a good 1 or 2 years they are gone. Edu is the perfect example. We had the first overall pick in the MLS last year. If that was the NHL, this kid would give you 10 years and would be your franchise player. We got 1 year from Edu and he's gone to Europe.

[Pachuco]

His point is that Mo did have him on the radar and Huckerby signed elsewhere. I think that is a proper feather in Mo's hat. We just have to accept that there will be times when people won't want to play here for various reasons...I think it's silly if we blame Mo for that. Would you have prepared to pay DP money for Huckerby, which even then might not have convinced him?

I was quite clear before Huckerby came here that I would pay DP money for him. Sometimes you have to overpay to compensate for the turf and the lack of interest in playing in Toronto. listen, at the end of the day, Mo's job is to bring in players. I really don't care too much about what obstacle he faces. If I'm a salesman at work, and I don't hit my quota, can I blame it on the product? That's essentially what you people are doing!

[Beach_Red]

We got 1 year from Edu and he's gone to Europe.

Why would we get any more out of a player from somewhere else?

But you are right, everyone knows that building a large scouting network is important - it just takes time and costs money. I doubt there's a single 25 year old player in the world who could make even the MLS that doesn't have an agent.

[Pachuco]

Why would we get any more out of a player from somewhere else?

But you are right, everyone knows that building a large scouting network is important - it just takes time and costs money. I doubt there's a single 25 year old player in the world who could make even the MLS that doesn't have an agent.

Right, and all I'm saying is that I won't say TFC is building for the future until we have a solid scouting network. Personally, that's more important to me then having 2 first rounders (I think that's what we have this coming up year?)

[kitchener-TFC]

Carver will be the Sir Alex of MLS!

[Beach_Red]

Right, and all I'm saying is that I won't say TFC is building for the future until we have a solid scouting network. Personally, that's more important to me then having 2 first rounders (I think that's what we have this coming up year?)

It has to be both - expanded scouting and high draft picks. The MLS needs to have American stars that came up through the NCAA to be successful - we can complain about that all we want, it's the way pro sports work in America.

[ricciboy]

he is a good coach he should stay

[netsan]

I support John Carver. No other coach in MLS has had to start coaching so late, had so many roster changes, and be affected by International matches. Wow! What a perfect storm..... Plus, I like his never die attitude.

Mo on the other hand has shown us 2 years of mediocrity, a revolving player door, a quick trigger, lack of patience, confusion, and a dislike of Canadians.....What is the plan? We are slipping sideways not moving forward.

[Mark in Ottawa]

I'm glad Carver is staying. I like a no nonsense guy who will tell it like it is.
He is apparently a good "players" coach which is exactly what a new franchise needs.

He is bound to end up with a load of young prospects to be brought along and strengthen the organization as a whole.

His learning curve as to MLS and how the league works, or in some instances doesn't, will soon be over. Once he learns what to expect in officiating etc... he will adjust.

Of course we as fans have no idea what goes on behind closed doors on the business end of things. Many good coaches and managers have had to "walk the fine line" between football decisions and business direction imposed by the owners.

[S_D]

I have no problem with his contract being extended, but do not wear the rose coloured glasses.

I am sort of in the middle when it comes to extending Carver's contract but recognize we need patience. He is essentially a rookie when it comes to being a head coach and has had to learn a lot on the job.

There is no doubt in my mind that he is a good training coach as many of the players have come out and said so, which is a reflection on his vast experience in England.

Where he has fallen a bit short is his line up/formation and in-game management. This is not a complaint, rather more of a reflection of his experience. He only had a few games where he was caretaker manager in England, and now almost a season of experience as the head man. He has admitted he has made some mistakes and has learned from them which is what we need to see.

Just as the rookie players have needed time to develop, so does Carver so we have to accept he will make some boo boo's.

As for San Jose mortgaging their future I do not agree with that at all. 1st round draft picks out the NCAA are an absolute crapshoot, and according to the professor's thread on NCAA players there is certainly no clear cut #1. Players like Edu are not commonplace, but if you can get a good depth player and not expect anything more than that the draft is good.

We all heard about Julius James being the consensus #1 and after the combine he fell to 9th place. We all heard that he was MLS ready, and were shown that he wasn't. It is not that he is a bad player, he just doesn't have the experience against better competition in the MLS and got owned on numerous occasions.

And as for them giving us allocation money for O'Brien, well it was money the league gave to them to start up. It had to be used within 18 months so why not spend it on O'Brien?

Where the Revs have done well I beleive (as do many rev's fans who I have spoken to) is not getting the best player available in the draft, but the best players that will work within their system.

[Pachuco]

I have no problem with his contract being extended, but do not wear the rose coloured glasses.

I am sort of in the middle when it comes to extending Carver's contract but recognize we need patience. He is essentially a rookie when it comes to being a head coach and has had to learn a lot on the job.

There is no doubt in my mind that he is a good training coach as many of the players have come out and said so, which is a reflection on his vast experience in England.

Where he has fallen a bit short is his line up/formation and in-game management. This is not a complaint, rather more of a reflection of his experience. He only had a few games where he was caretaker manager in England, and now almost a season of experience as the head man. He has admitted he has made some mistakes and has learned from them which is what we need to see.

Just as the rookie players have needed time to develop, so does Carver so we have to accept he will make some boo boo's.

As for San Jose mortgaging their future I do not agree with that at all. 1st round draft picks out the NCAA are an absolute crapshoot, and according to the professor's thread on NCAA players there is certainly no clear cut #1. Players like Edu are not commonplace, but if you can get a good depth player and not expect anything more than that the draft is good.

We all heard about Julius James being the consensus #1 and after the combine he fell to 9th place. We all heard that he was MLS ready, and were shown that he wasn't. It is not that he is a bad player, he just doesn't have the experience against better competition in the MLS and got owned on numerous occasions.

And as for them giving us allocation money for O'Brien, well it was money the league gave to them to start up. It had to be used within 18 months so why not spend it on O'Brien?

Where the Revs have done well I beleive (as do many rev's fans who I have spoken to) is not getting the best player available in the draft, but the best players that will work within their system.

That's the best written post in this thread!