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ensco
09-07-2008, 08:02 AM
How will you feel seeing him in a TFC uniform next weekend?

werewolf
09-07-2008, 08:04 AM
not sure if he is going to be healthy. He seemed to really be getting hurt a lot last night. Was concerned they might need to break the stretcher out a few times....

Nuvinho
09-07-2008, 08:05 AM
When he is playing for my team I love him, when he plays against my team, I hate him!!!

ensco
09-07-2008, 08:07 AM
Somehow we need to get back to the original idea - more Canadians on TFC (I know all the reasons we don't, save it for another day).

Shakes McQueen
09-07-2008, 08:07 AM
As shitty as I think his diving was in the WCQ game last night, FIFA/CONCACAF let players get away with it.

Although diving, even from my own team, doesn't sit right with me, he's still a talented player otherwise.

It'd be silly to boo him or something, because he was simply using a tactic that 80% of footballers seem to have no problem with.

- Scott

giambac
09-07-2008, 09:22 AM
When he is playing for my team I love him, when he plays against my team, I hate him!!!

Hey I agree 100%.

he's a player you love to have on the team but hate to play against. Give him credit, he knows how to play the game.

The thing that amazes me is that all season we have beeen crtiicizing players from opposing teams for diving. We started several threads on it. Will people now criticize Guevera in the same way or will they let it ride becasue he is a member of TFC. Are we not being hypocrits???????

brad
09-07-2008, 09:23 AM
He's a TFC player next weekend. That's all that counts.

jrey
09-07-2008, 09:24 AM
i swear i was screaming at the tv that we should trade him NOW - but then again I'd had about 10 beers by that point sooooooo.

i agree with the whole love/hate thing. so true.

Jack
09-07-2008, 11:06 AM
Fucking diving team of cheaters.

I was yelling at Guevara to not show his cheating, diving face in Toronto.

It was truly pathetic.

Oblio2
09-07-2008, 11:09 AM
When he is playing for my team I love him, when he plays against my team, I hate him!!!

Nuff said right there

wzhxvy
09-07-2008, 11:12 AM
I will support him because he is part of TFC but I cant help but be pissed at him and will likely say something just to remind him that he plays in Canada and we remember, cant give him a total free pass !...I am pissed at how they came here and it was a home crowd (shame on you Montreal). Hugging their fans and Guevara escorting the guy that came on the field like it was the "crazy uncle".

Cadaren
09-07-2008, 11:19 AM
If you guys were suprised that they started diving and over acting their injuries then you need to take your head out of your ass. Would Canada have done the same thing to slow the pace of the game if we were winning? Well we'll never know, but I'd like to think we wouldn't but wouldn't be surprised if we did.

Now I totally agree with you guys but we all knew it was going to happen.

Ossington Mental Youth
09-07-2008, 11:26 AM
Whatever, dudes doing what anyone of us would do

kshep
09-07-2008, 11:35 AM
LOL.. diving is only cheating if you get called on it ppl.. High time Canada learn to swim too, it's not pretty, it's not popular.. but it gets you closer to the world stage. Until our players learn this, we'll never make a world cup, unless we somehow manage to create a team of world beaters..

Maple Leaf Red
09-07-2008, 11:45 AM
It sucks to see a player from your club sink your country but United fans seem to have forgiven Cronaldo so I imagine that if Guevara helps the team out this will all be forgiven.

arsenal
09-07-2008, 11:47 AM
I don't recall seeing Guevara diving throughout the match. He went down the the turf when he was hit and embellished with a few rolls but that is not diving. The only time I recall him going down without contact was when he slipped and grabbed the ball with his hand but he wasn't falling and trying to sell a foul. I can understand a lot of people being unhappy with the fact that Canada lost and that he was on the other side of things but to contemplate cheering against him when he returns to TFC is ludicrous.

Derko
09-07-2008, 11:53 AM
Embellishment is the operative word here and in all contact sports, are you all that naive that if the opportunity arises an athlete will not take advantage, of course I will cheer for Guevara when he plays at TFC next week and all matches he plays for TFC.

Bah! what an absolute pile of rubbish this thread is!!

Maple Leaf Red
09-07-2008, 11:59 AM
I don't recall seeing Guevara diving throughout the match. He went down the the turf when he was hit and embellished with a few rolls but that is not diving. The only time I recall him going down without contact was when he slipped and grabbed the ball with his hand but he wasn't falling and trying to sell a foul. I can understand a lot of people being unhappy with the fact that Canada lost and that he was on the other side of things but to contemplate cheering against him when he returns to TFC is ludicrous.

Exactly. If the animosity stems from the Bernier red then direct your anger at Bernier for such a stupid tackle that was punished as should be expected and be glad that our star player wasn't injured through his idiocy.

ManUtd4ever
09-07-2008, 12:01 PM
If Guevara plays well for TFC down the stretch, all will be forgiven. I seem to recall him winning countless free kicks for TFC with his questionable tactics...

jloome
09-07-2008, 12:05 PM
LOL.. diving is only cheating if you get called on it ppl.. High time Canada learn to swim too, it's not pretty, it's not popular.. but it gets you closer to the world stage. Until our players learn this, we'll never make a world cup, unless we somehow manage to create a team of world beaters..

Yeah, fuck morals and decency, winning's all that counts.

Prat.

Hooligan69
09-07-2008, 12:59 PM
When he is playing for my team I love him, when he plays against my team, I hate him!!!

100% truth.

Cadaren
09-07-2008, 01:16 PM
He's the Chris Chelios of MLS

RPB_Brantford_08
09-07-2008, 03:53 PM
Guevara is a TFC player and gets the support..what he did in Montreal you can;t blame him, it worked!!!

Kickit09
09-07-2008, 03:58 PM
i'll be glad to have him back, he's still one of our better players and the team is better with him than without him. you cant really blame him for what he did. if you think he should be traded or you want to boo him at a TFC game for helping beat canada you are :out:. it happens all the time all over the world. its just part of the sport.

RPB_Brantford_08
09-07-2008, 04:02 PM
i'll be glad to have him back, he's still one of our better players and the team is better with him than without him. you cant really blame him for what he did. if you think he should be traded or you want to boo him at a TFC game for helping beat canada you are :out:. it happens all the time all over the world. its just part of the sport.


exactly....Canad lost cause their players,manger and csa are shite, noit because of a dive or concacaf referee...now we can put the natioal team to bed for another 4 years and work on making TFC the best in MLS...

country before club......................having a laugh:D:D:D:p

ManUtd4ever
09-07-2008, 04:04 PM
i'll be glad to have him back, he's still one of our better players and the team is better with him than without him. you cant really blame him for what he did. if you think he should be traded or you want to boo him at a TFC game for helping beat canada you are :out:. it happens all the time all over the world. its just part of the sport.

Reminds me of the 2002 Olympics when Sundin torched Cujo for 2 goals to help Sweden defeat Canada in the hockey preliminaries...

Chevy
09-07-2008, 04:05 PM
Yeah, fuck morals and decency, winning's all that counts.

Prat.


QFT. Just win baby.


As I said after the Jamaica game, if you want to cut out all the diving and BS theatrics, just go up 3-nil by halftime and that will take care of it!

king dave
09-07-2008, 04:18 PM
What's he fucking done for us lately?
Plays his balls off for 'Onyourass' and goes through the motions for his fucking paycheck,
new addition to douchbag list:
Guevara.
KD.

king dave
09-07-2008, 04:23 PM
If I ever see him at another Canadian Tire location I'm gonna 'Who Are Ya?' him right out of the 'douchbag aisle'.
KD.

Shakes McQueen
09-07-2008, 04:23 PM
Yeah, fuck morals and decency, winning's all that counts.

Prat.

It seems we are in the minority.

I refuse to accept that diving is "just part of the game", simply because so many players do it. It is gaming the rules, not playing the game.

And if FIFA/CONCACAF tried to weed it out with an iron fist, it would go away.

Guevara's "slip" at the end of the game, where he actually grabbed the ball with his hands, should have been a red card. Instead, he got a free kick.

I will grin and bear it next weekend because he's on my team, but I don't like Guevara's tactics. Beat teams with your skill, not your ability to dishonour the game.

- Scott

king dave
09-07-2008, 04:27 PM
Beat teams with your skill, not your ability to dishonour the game.

- Scott
Yeah! And who have we seen him beat lately with either?
Like Mr. Lastman said, Nooooobody!
KD.

ensco
09-07-2008, 04:37 PM
Reminds me of the 2002 Olympics when Sundin torched Cujo for 2 goals to help Sweden defeat Canada in the hockey preliminaries...

That was 100% different. Mats beat Cujo straight up. The Swedes were sportsmen.

I'd make the point that I thought Honduras were very good, and there was no shame in losing to them (on paper we had a lot more, but we didn't look better, which is another subject). We're similar teams, they just got the better of us on the day. The crusher was giving away the points against Jamaica (who had nobody of the quality of Suazo, Costly or Nunez), that's why we're probably screwed now.

But as for Guevara (and a couple of other Hondurans) and their theatrics......I'm glad Jack (and a few others) seem to get the point, but as for the majority on here....

All you people who think this kind of "play" is OK if it helps TFC....all I'll say is, we have different ideas about what sports, and life, is all about.

werewolf
09-07-2008, 04:41 PM
while I won't outright "boo" him, since he is a TFC player, I can't turn my feelings for him on and off.

Pachuco
09-07-2008, 08:36 PM
I love Guevara. World Class player who personally is too good for this shiat TFC team. If Guevara gets traded or leaves, I'd be dissapointed.

I_AM_CANADIAN
09-07-2008, 08:44 PM
I wasn't at all happy with his gamesmanship last night, bitching and falling down in agony more than once to waste time (and then leaping up when the stretcher reached the touchline and getting back on the pitch a minute later), but hey, when he plays for his country he has to do whatever it takes to win. Unfortunately, that's the way most Central American sides play. Having talked to a lot of South & Central American supporters, the attitude is that you do whatever it takes, and if it means diving to win fouls and wasting time, so be it. The impression I get is that down there it's just an accepted part of the game.

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

jloome
09-07-2008, 10:59 PM
It seems we are in the minority.

I refuse to accept that diving is "just part of the game", simply because so many players do it. It is gaming the rules, not playing the game.

And if FIFA/CONCACAF tried to weed it out with an iron fist, it would go away.

Guevara's "slip" at the end of the game, where he actually grabbed the ball with his hands, should have been a red card. Instead, he got a free kick.

I will grin and bear it next weekend because he's on my team, but I don't like Guevara's tactics. Beat teams with your skill, not your ability to dishonour the game.

- Scott

It's tough. Refs have to start enforcing the ejection rule for repeated "simulation". Fifa can't even call it lying. Sad.

felipe
09-08-2008, 12:33 AM
eff that. I will never cheer for amado again. class counts for something, and he has none. (I willnever look @cronaldo the same either)

Toronto_Bhoy
09-08-2008, 01:17 AM
We are so desperate here for some talent that we continue to buy into the hype Cunningham…Robert…Guevara…Ricketts…

I really thought these were descent players before they came but they continue to disappoint. Someone earlier described Amando as "world class"…not sure what world your living in?

CretanBull
09-08-2008, 03:32 AM
^ Ricketts has been very good for us IMO. He plays with emotion and clearly gives a shit. He needs to improve his consistancy, but I don't think it's fair to lump him in with the others that you mentioned.

jloome
09-08-2008, 06:43 AM
^ Ricketts has been very good for us IMO. He plays with emotion and clearly gives a shit. He needs to improve his consistancy, but I don't think it's fair to lump him in with the others that you mentioned.

Yes, but he has the term "bhoy" in his nickname, which means as a Celtic fan he'll be slamming anything remotely British at every opportunity. Ricketts is, right now, far and away the most valuable member of the team, because he's the only one who seems to never give up. Beyond that, he's class as a performer as well; pumps crosses into the box that are nearly always dangerous and has to watch the vast majority go to waste; beats defenders on the run; tracks back on defense. Yep, terrible signing. Jesus wept, you have to wonder here sometimes.

RPB_RED_NATION_RPB
09-08-2008, 06:52 AM
South americans know the system the best.....do you blame them?....making the WC is winning at any cost....if a ref lets you flop around like a fish and awards you with free kicks..sending off of the other team then all the power....its a fifa problem..they let the players away with it...

AS for booing Guevara in a TFC shirt.....cause of his preformance vs Canada......what a fooking joke!....

Yea he an enemy outside the TFC jersey.....but on our pitch he's our best player...and shal be respected!!

King Tut
09-08-2008, 07:06 AM
How will you feel seeing him in a TFC uniform next weekend?
Will support him ofcourse! :confused: :)

JDG
09-08-2008, 07:09 AM
Yes, but he has the term "bhoy" in his nickname, which means as a Celtic fan he'll be slamming anything remotely British at every opportunity. Ricketts is, right now, far and away the most valuable member of the team, because he's the only one who seems to never give up. Beyond that, he's class as a performer as well; pumps crosses into the box that are nearly always dangerous and has to watch the vast majority go to waste; beats defenders on the run; tracks back on defense. Yep, terrible signing. Jesus wept, you have to wonder here sometimes.

Easy now. Lets start by establishing that I'm a Rangers fan.

Toronto_Bhoy may be a proud Celtic supporter, but he doesn't walk around wearing green tinted glasses. I've had the privledge of meeting the man, and find him to be intelligent, and thoughtful. A credit to this group.
He's a person that knows where and when the Old Firm crap is acceptible & when it's not. Please show that you're capable of the same.
He hasn't slammed Ricketts - he said that we've bought into the hype surrounding. That's a comment about us, and it's accurate.

Barbarez
09-08-2008, 07:11 AM
Stop being so bitter. Canadians are just no good in soccer. Deal with it.

King Tut
09-08-2008, 07:12 AM
Embellishment is the operative word here and in all contact sports, are you all that naive that if the opportunity arises an athlete will not take advantage, of course I will cheer for Guevara when he plays at TFC next week and all matches he plays for TFC.

Bah! what an absolute pile of rubbish this thread is!!

Exactly..Quoted for truth!

CretanBull
09-08-2008, 08:05 AM
Yea he an enemy outside the TFC jersey.....but on our pitch he's our best player...and shal be respected!!

Our best player? We're talking about Guevara. He might be our most talented, but it's been a long time since he's used that talent to do anything at all for us and can't be called our best for that reason.

Maple Leaf Red
09-08-2008, 08:31 AM
It's a shame that refs are too weak to hand out cards when it's warranted or that the leagues won't do anything after the fact.

But let's cool it on the South American/Central Americans are the only divers. Let's not forget about Italy and Portugal too!

Jack
09-08-2008, 08:49 AM
There are lots of divers of all nationalities.

Let's cool it on labelling any nationality as divers. It's not the nationality, it's the player.

flatpicker
09-08-2008, 08:53 AM
I think this guy is Canadian...

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k139/brushstroke-man/040818_bensimhon_tutu_225.jpg

Shaughno
09-08-2008, 08:55 AM
There are lots of divers of all nationalities.

Let's cool it on labelling any nationality as divers. It's not the nationality, it's the player.

I'd go even further and say it's not the player, but the system they are brought up to learn. A lof of South American camps use 'win at all costs' mentalities, but not all. There are plenty of teams, and players, who don't dive anywhere near as much as others.

If you're taught to win at all costs, even if it means bending the rules or using the non-employed rules to your advantage, who's to say you're wrong?

I don't agree with diving, but realistically.. who's the loser? The guy who bends the rules to win, or the guy who complains that others are bending the rules and therefore doesn't win in the same situation?

Jack
09-08-2008, 09:00 AM
I'd go even further and say it's not the player, but the system they are brought up to learn. A lof of South American camps use 'win at all costs' mentalities, but not all. There are plenty of teams, and players, who don't dive anywhere near as much as others.

If you're taught to win at all costs, even if it means bending the rules or using the non-employed rules to your advantage, who's to say you're wrong?

I don't agree with diving, but realistically.. who's the loser? The guy who bends the rules to win, or the guy who complains that others are bending the rules and therefore doesn't win in the same situation?

You're right there, it is often the system.

And your question about who's the loser is a valid one. Still, the response to that would be: Where's the integrity of the competition?

It's sort of like doping in cycling or sprinting. We know they do it, but some get caught and others don't. So either you play clean, or everyone cheats to level the playing field. So in our case, we are faced with the uninviting prospect of having our players dive in order to be on even footing.

I still think it's down to the referees and honestly they are an embarrassment.

Shaughno
09-08-2008, 09:04 AM
I still think it's down to the referees and honestly they are an embarrassment.

Add FIFA to the mix for not using a heavy hand after warning that referee's had to crack down on the simulation aspect of the game.

nobodybeatsthewiz
09-08-2008, 09:12 AM
Add FIFA to the mix for not using a heavy hand after warning that referee's had to crack down on the simulation aspect of the game.

how some/most of these concacaf refs are even real fifa refs is beyond me. whats the problem with getting in uefa refs for concacaf qualifiers?? i mean, it was pretty obvious this costa rican ref had it in for us and was giving everything to the hondurans. to say fixed would be an understatement.

Shaughno
09-08-2008, 09:15 AM
While the ref'ing was bad, I never once thought it was 'lopsided' in their favour. In fact, I just thought it was all around bad ref'ing.

But honestly, all you need to do is pass a written test and have 'experience' to become a ref in CONCACAF. There is no 'high standard' like there is in Europe for referee's.

Jack
09-08-2008, 09:17 AM
It was all-around bad refing.

The problem is, when you have a bad ref, he buys the dives a lot more easily.

CretanBull
09-08-2008, 09:28 AM
I'm probably in the minority, but I'd rather lose honourably than "win at all costs".

If anyone has read the book "How Soccer Explains the World (an unlikely theory of globalization)" it provides a great explaination of the culture of diving in Serie A. In very, very short the refs in Italy are under heavy scrutiny and they are mercilessly hounded (including death threats) for blown calls. One of the highest rated shows in the country is a Sunday night show that focuses on how the refs called that weekends games. Every play, every whistle is reviewed by a panel of experts. A poor review by this tv show can actually cost a ref his job. It got to the point where refs were affraid to make calls, so they let anything that wasn't blatantly obvious go. The players understood the situation that the refs were in, so they made it easier for them to make calls by going down dramatically - which lead to diving. This way, the player is seen as the hero/villian and the ref is simply the dope who bought the dive (and doesn't get death threats for it).

At the same time, during that same climate, Juventus and AC Millian were getting an unfair advantage by the refs by getting a say in which refs worked certain games. They chose refs that were friendly to them for their own games, and refs that were hard on their rivals for their games. This often meant that the best chance a rival team had of winning was to take a dive and force a refs hand.

So a combination of being dramatic to force refs to make calls (that they wouldn't make out of fear) and players of teams not friendly to Juventus or AC Millan who wanted to make up the edge lost to a possibly bias ref lead to a culture of diving in Italy.

NOTE: I don't want to debate the issue & don't shoot the messenger, I'm just passing a long a theory.

cuecas_red
09-08-2008, 09:30 AM
diving is one of many forms of cheating that players use to gain an advantage. Don't forgot that pulling another players jerseys and not giving the require 10 yards on a free kick (which I'm sure TFC are guilty of) are all ways to gain an advantage over your oppenet. Pretty much every player does something to try to gain that advantage. I think the refs don't call the dive as often as they should is the pace of the game it is difficult for them to tell if it was a play acting or an actual foul

Shaughno
09-08-2008, 09:35 AM
diving is one of many forms of cheating that players use to gain an advantage. Don't forgot that pulling another players jerseys and not giving the require 10 yards on a free kick (which I'm sure TFC are guilty of) are all ways to gain an advantage over your oppenet. Pretty much every player does something to try to gain that advantage. I think the refs don't call the dive as often as they should is the pace of the game it is difficult for them to tell if it was a play acting or an actual foul


People are always very selective in the things they choose to harp on. The majority fail to look at both sides of the coin. Watch some replays and see how often Brennan is grabbing guys shirts, pulling arms, etc. to gain a better position. By the definition of the rules this is no better or worse than diving, but goes by relatively unnoticed because he's our captain.

Don't tell anyone that Dichio has dove though, you might get knocked out around here. :lol: Truth be told, I've seen at least a few from him. ;)

reggie
09-08-2008, 09:37 AM
its all about getting the 3 pts,i will take some divers on our team if we get the results,i am sick of losing....

Shaughno
09-08-2008, 09:39 AM
its all about getting the 3 pts,i will take some divers on our team if we get the results,i am sick of losing....

Truth be told I bet 99% of the people on here would secretly accept it if it got us a win. ;)

Jack
09-08-2008, 09:40 AM
I've seen Dichio go down easy when guys come up his back, for sure.

What gets me most about the diving is the blatant rolling around and moaning and time-wasting. The ref bought it all.

The biggest guy on the pitch was Honduran (#13, can't remember his name) and he was going down easiest of all.

Super
09-08-2008, 09:43 AM
Look, if we can't accept a player diving for his national team we shouldn't take on any South/Centreal Americans, period. When he's back playing for us I'll cheer on him as I would anyone else on the team. I'm not pissed at him, I'm pissed at Montreal today.

CretanBull
09-08-2008, 09:44 AM
^ Pissed at Montreal?

Shaughno
09-08-2008, 09:49 AM
I've seen Dichio go down easy when guys come up his back, for sure.

What gets me most about the diving is the blatant rolling around and moaning and time-wasting. The ref bought it all.

The biggest guy on the pitch was Honduran (#13, can't remember his name) and he was going down easiest of all.


Exactly and that's my gripe. If you are able to trick the ref, you've done your job but don't go rolling around like a little bitch unless you're actually hurt. Like Mendoza against TFC. One minute he's asking for a card, then starts rolling around, then jumps back into play sprinting down the wing beating two TFC players and makes a cross for the game winning goal.

THAT is bullshit and unacceptable.

reggie
09-08-2008, 09:50 AM
when in rome do what the romans do,when in concacaf do what the concacafions do..CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT,we must join that club,and win at all cost....

nobodybeatsthewiz
09-08-2008, 09:53 AM
^ Pissed at Montreal?

pathetic home support compared with toronto for can-jam.

King Tut
09-08-2008, 10:00 AM
its all about getting the 3 pts,i will take some divers on our team if we get the results,i am sick of losing....
I was just saying that as I was watching Canada-Honduras. If Guevara masters diving for Hondruas, I sure hope he can master it at TFC. :D

WE WANNA WINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN! ;)

CretanBull
09-08-2008, 10:01 AM
pathetic home support compared with toronto for can-jam.

We've had two games in Toronto. The first one we had about 11,000 people show up vs. Costa Rica and as an English speaker, I was in the vast minority. The ONLY reason the game vs. Jamaica was better was because of us ("us" the TFC supporter's groups collectively). If we don't do the same thing for the next game in Toronto, we can expect the same shit. The CSA is a fucking joke, they place games in cities where they can sell tickets to away support ie Jamaica in Toronto & Honduras in Montreal (close to NYC, where they advertised the game).

The US National team deals with the same crap no matter where they play too...it's just the nature of our cultures, where footy isn't popular (yet) with born Canadian/Americans and the games are (mainly) sold to immigrants & away support.

King Tut
09-08-2008, 10:02 AM
when in rome do what the romans do,when in concacaf do what the concacafions do..CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT,we must join that club,and win at all cost....
Fully agree with you. If the refs will forever remain to be stupid fucks in this confederation, then let's start taking advantage of their stupidity as well.

I'll take a win (through a dive) than a fucking loss!

Fort York Redcoat
09-08-2008, 10:08 AM
I'm probably in the minority, but I'd rather lose honourably than "win at all costs".

If anyone has read the book "How Soccer Explains the World (an unlikely theory of globalization)" it provides a great explaination of the culture of diving in Serie A. In very, very short the refs in Italy are under heavy scrutiny and they are mercilessly hounded (including death threats) for blown calls. One of the highest rated shows in the country is a Sunday night show that focuses on how the refs called that weekends games. Every play, every whistle is reviewed by a panel of experts. A poor review by this tv show can actually cost a ref his job. It got to the point where refs were affraid to make calls, so they let anything that wasn't blatantly obvious go. The players understood the situation that the refs were in, so they made it easier for them to make calls by going down dramatically - which lead to diving. This way, the player is seen as the hero/villian and the ref is simply the dope who bought the dive (and doesn't get death threats for it).

At the same time, during that same climate, Juventus and AC Millian were getting an unfair advantage by the refs by getting a say in which refs worked certain games. They chose refs that were friendly to them for their own games, and refs that were hard on their rivals for their games. This often meant that the best chance a rival team had of winning was to take a dive and force a refs hand.

So a combination of being dramatic to force refs to make calls (that they wouldn't make out of fear) and players of teams not friendly to Juventus or AC Millan who wanted to make up the edge lost to a possibly bias ref lead to a culture of diving in Italy.

NOTE: I don't want to debate the issue & don't shoot the messenger, I'm just passing a long a theory.

That book is next on my list.

But losing honourably? Looks like we have Canadian Supporter for life here.:thumbsup:

The next step is for the players to stop protesting the refs (missed)calls. It doesn't help the cause and supporters can see for themselves which team is playing honourably. That way our ire can be solely focused on the officials in the region if they play favourites.

Maple Leaf Red
09-08-2008, 10:40 AM
People are always very selective in the things they choose to harp on. The majority fail to look at both sides of the coin. Watch some replays and see how often Brennan is grabbing guys shirts, pulling arms, etc. to gain a better position. By the definition of the rules this is no better or worse than diving, but goes by relatively unnoticed because he's our captain.

Don't tell anyone that Dichio has dove though, you might get knocked out around here. :lol: Truth be told, I've seen at least a few from him. ;)
Careful! That's blasphemy... ;)

CretanBull
09-08-2008, 10:43 AM
^ Yeah, Canadian supporter for life :(, I mean :canada:

The book is great. As a testiment to how good it is, I disagree with the central thesis of the whole book (I'm not a fan of globalization, although I don't reject it in the context that he presents it) I couldn't put it down and finished it in two days.

One of the blurbs on the back discribes it as a cross between Nick Hornby and Thomas Friedman...that's the most accurate discription of a book that I've ever come across.

Maple Leaf Red
09-08-2008, 10:46 AM
We've had two games in Toronto. The first one we had about 11,000 people show up vs. Costa Rica and as an English speaker, I was in the vast minority. The ONLY reason the game vs. Jamaica was better was because of us ("us" the TFC supporter's groups collectively). If we don't do the same thing for the next game in Toronto, we can expect the same shit. The CSA is a fucking joke, they place games in cities where they can sell tickets to away support ie Jamaica in Toronto & Honduras in Montreal (close to NYC, where they advertised the game).

The US National team deals with the same crap no matter where they play too...it's just the nature of our cultures, where footy isn't popular (yet) with born Canadian/Americans and the games are (mainly) sold to immigrants & away support.
Sad but true. That Costa Rica game was a stumble at the first hurdle but we came up strong at the second game and I hope the momentum will hold.

eustacchio
09-08-2008, 11:14 AM
Exactly and that's my gripe. If you are able to trick the ref, you've done your job but don't go rolling around like a little bitch unless you're actually hurt.

Exactly what I was thinking. It's the seemingly obligatory rolling around that kills me.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I've taken a dive or two in my day (even got a couple of guys red cards for them), but in each instance I was actually fouled, I just made sure that the ref saw it. That kind of diving I have no problem with, but when people start dropping without even being touched...

Shaughno
09-08-2008, 11:24 AM
'Embellishing' ;) That's the term I've always used. Embellish the foul to guarantee the call. I can honestly say, I've done that but I have never dove to get a call if there wasn't contact. That's not my style.

Yelling at the ref for missed calls consistantly...that's just as bad as diving IMO and it puts you on bad grounds with the one guy who you want on your side.

GhostPK
09-08-2008, 11:30 AM
Its natural to see the national diving team come out after a south american team takes the lead. I hated the play but Guevara is a very talented player. Good thing he plays for us and not Crew....

NateDoGG
09-08-2008, 11:31 AM
guevara is a dirty cheat just like the rest of those divers

and lets be honest, he has been Shit for tfc, he should get traded..........

v00d00daddy
09-08-2008, 11:46 AM
You know what every single one of us on this board has in common?

We all support teams, both club and country, that have players who dive/simulate/embellish.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US.

We've all watched a lot of soccer in our lives. Can any of you honestly say that you've never seen a player, on team that you love, dive?

Please stop with the Central/South America and Italy and Portugal shit. Everybody does it. Branding players from a certain part of the world as cheaters should not be tolerated. I can't believe nobody but Jack has said anything about it.

I know Guevara hurt Canada on Saturday, but the CMNT also hurt themselves.

I'm not a fan of diving, and I think it should be out of the game but until it is, I'm not going to fault a guy for finding a way to get an edge.

He may play dirty, and classless but Guevara is a winner.

Kickit09
09-08-2008, 11:55 AM
the CSA needs to show the team these 2 videos...

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VoxPopuliCosmicum
09-08-2008, 12:14 PM
You know what every single one of us on this board has in common?

We all support teams, both club and country, that have players who dive/simulate/embellish.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US.

We've all watched a lot of soccer in our lives. Can any of you honestly say that you've never seen a player, on team that you love, dive?

Please stop with the Central/South America and Italy and Portugal shit. Everybody does it. Branding players from a certain part of the world as cheaters should not be tolerated. I can't believe nobody but Jack has said anything about it.

I know Guevara hurt Canada on Saturday, but the CMNT also hurt themselves.

I'm not a fan of diving, and I think it should be out of the game but until it is, I'm not going to fault a guy for finding a way to get an edge.

He may play dirty, and classless but Guevara is a winner.

You are right that LatAm/Italy/Portugal players don't have a monopoly on diving, HOWEVER, they seem to do it more than players from other countries. Their fans seem not to be ashamed of the greater incidence of diving.

The bottom line seems to be that diving helps to win games. I will settle for an unearned win over an undeserved loss (btw, Honduras beat us fair and square and then turned on the cheating). Maybe then I'll stop complaining about diving.

I'll agree that there are divers everywhere, but let's not pretend that there is no geographical correlation to the amount of diving.

CoachGT
09-08-2008, 12:28 PM
Exactly and that's my gripe. If you are able to trick the ref, you've done your job but don't go rolling around like a little bitch unless you're actually hurt. Like Mendoza against TFC. One minute he's asking for a card, then starts rolling around, then jumps back into play sprinting down the wing beating two TFC players and makes a cross for the game winning goal.

THAT is bullshit and unacceptable.

That seems to have been the case whether you were in Montreal on the weekend or at BMO - it seemed that both were exhibitions from the pool. There was a fair bit of diving at BMO, too, once Chivas pulled in front.

v00d00daddy
09-08-2008, 12:31 PM
You are right that LatAm/Italy/Portugal players don't have a monopoly on diving, HOWEVER, they seem to do it more than players from other countries. Their fans seem not to be ashamed of the greater incidence of diving.

The bottom line seems to be that diving helps to win games. I will settle for an unearned win over an undeserved loss (btw, Honduras beat us fair and square and then turned on the cheating). Maybe then I'll stop complaining about diving.

I'll agree that there are divers everywhere, but let's not pretend that there is no geographical correlation to the amount of diving.

I totally agree that we were outplayed by Honduras.

Yes, we all know that diving occurs more frequently in certain parts of the world. The point is that it occurs everywhere and, more importantly, it's accepted everywhere.

What good can come out of saying that Central American soccer players are a bunch of diving cheaters. Seriously. They only reason people say shit like that is to start arguments.

Pachuco
09-08-2008, 12:36 PM
I don't even get what some of you are complaining about. Bernier chopped him from behind and Guevara made it look worse than what it was. Blame Bernier for being a moron and coming in from behind when he already has a yellow. Blame the ref for not seeing that the foul itself was probably not worth a yellow. But no, of course some of you would rather throw our most talented player under the bus. Need I remind you that our loss had nothing to do with Honduras diving? If we can't stop them from putting the ball in the net and if we can't score then how the hell are we supposed to win?

Stop making excuses for a poor Canadian performance and start realizing that it wasn't the refs fault, it wasn't Guevara's or Honduras diving, it WAS OUR TEAM'S FAULT FOR LOSING!!!!!

Fort York Redcoat
09-08-2008, 12:36 PM
Guevara next game? I'll be:skep:

Now if he had scored?:mad:

Cambridge_Red
09-08-2008, 01:01 PM
He played the game he plays against Canada. As much as he was a cheating bastard I've had time now to look back at it now and realize he's OUR cheating bastard. For better or worse I suppose.

VoxPopuliCosmicum
09-08-2008, 01:11 PM
What good can come out of saying that Central American soccer players are a bunch of diving cheaters. Seriously. They only reason people say shit like that is to start arguments.

It's true that people say such things to start arguments, but it's not the only reason. I mean it is a legitimate point; it's also just sour grapes.

In the case of Honduras' MNT, the fact that their team knows how (and is willing) to dive better than Canada's isn't a new development. And if it were the other way around, very few of us would be bitching about "fucking Canadian diving cunts".

But simulation, embellishment, etc. make the game much less beautiful.


Stop making excuses for a poor Canadian performance and start realizing that it wasn't the refs fault, it wasn't Guevara's or Honduras diving, it WAS OUR TEAM'S FAULT FOR LOSING!!!!!

It was absolutely Canada's fault for losing that game. Full credit to Honduras for playing well and then putting the game on ice like professionals.

I suspect that many people are disturbed that Guevara hasn't shown the same heart for TFC as he shows for Honduras (whether that is true is immaterial; it is the perception). But can you really fault a player for that? Isn't that what makes international footy so great to watch?

Shaughno
09-08-2008, 01:42 PM
It was absolutely Canada's fault for losing that game. Full credit to Honduras for playing well and then putting the game on ice like professionals.

I suspect that many people are disturbed that Guevara hasn't shown the same heart for TFC as he shows for Honduras (whether that is true is immaterial; it is the perception). But can you really fault a player for that? Isn't that what makes international footy so great to watch?

Two points that are critical here that I think a lot of people aren't taking enough consideration of.

First, Honduras wasn't 'flopping' all over the pitch. They started to amp up the simulation once they took the lead. Why? Kill any flow that Canada builds up. Allows them to control the game. Allows them to waste time. Unfortunately those are all tactics that are used every game. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it kicks you in the ass. That's life.

Second, Guevara has ALWAYS made it crystal clear that he prefers to play for his country over his club. Why would that change now? There are players who are opposite, but we have to deal with what we have. We knew that when we signed him. To bitch and moan about the fact that he cares more about Int'l footy than Club footy is pointless. I do find it funny though that some of those people bitching are the same people who posted in the Club vs Country debates whole heartedly picked country over club. :rolleyes:

nobodybeatsthewiz
09-08-2008, 01:43 PM
Second, Guevara has ALWAYS made it crystal clear that he prefers to play for his country over his club. Why would that change now?


it's not that we don't know this, jay, it's that we're bitter, sad, disappointed.....a natural and very unsurprising way to vent....no more, no less.

Shaughno
09-08-2008, 01:47 PM
it's not that we don't know this, jay, it's that we're bitter, sad, disappointed.....a natural and very unsurprising way to vent....no more, no less.

Dude, it's not people like you that I'm talking about.

It's the ones who out and out say he's a diving cunt, don't want him on our team, etc.

Even still, the only blantant dive that I saw from Geuvara was the one where he handballed it near the sideline. Everything else was pure embellishment. Our players were fairly strong in the tackle, and the Hondurans used it to their advantage.

ilikemusic
09-08-2008, 01:54 PM
I dont know why all the bitching about diving.

Its not like they won the game by diving. The Canadian team gave the game away, and the Hondourans knew how to finish us off. End of story really.

king dave
09-08-2008, 02:02 PM
but Guevara is a winner.
He's a fucking douchbag! Not because of where he is from or who he plays for.
He is not playing for anything other than his own self centered interests. The sooner we rid this team of these half-assed posers the quicker we can field a team of individuals who want to play, not just show up and collect a paycheque. It's an up-hill battle I know but i am tired of seeing strikers that can't/don't want to finish, mid-fielders who can't/don't want to move the ball up and defenders who can't/don't want to defend the goal. I don't give a fuck if they are from Mars, I payed to see these guys play football so they'd better fucking play it or they, me and the league will soon be a memory.
KD.

Dirk Diggler
09-08-2008, 02:11 PM
He's a fucking douchbag! Not because of where he is from or who he plays for.
He is not playing for anything other than his own self centered interests. The sooner we rid this team of these half-assed posers the quicker we can field a team of individuals who want to play, not just show up and collect a paycheque. It's an up-hill battle I know but i am tired of seeing strikers that can't/don't want to finish, mid-fielders who can't/don't want to move the ball up and defenders who can't/don't want to defend the goal. I don't give a fuck if they are from Mars, I payed to see these guys play football so they'd better fucking play it or they, me and the league will soon be a memory.
KD.

QFT. I really don't want to get into the "but its acceptable in Central America" debate since that is completely immaterial.

jloome
09-08-2008, 03:37 PM
I totally agree that we were outplayed by Honduras.

Yes, we all know that diving occurs more frequently in certain parts of the world. The point is that it occurs everywhere and, more importantly, it's accepted everywhere.

What good can come out of saying that Central American soccer players are a bunch of diving cheaters. Seriously. They only reason people say shit like that is to start arguments.

I disagree, plain and simple. There's no argument to me. And if a guy as tactful as Craig Forrest is willing to say it in the broadcast of the game that Latin american players are taught to take whatever advantage they can, and they think players who don't are stupid, then I don't see why it's such a taboo topic.

Yes, every league has divers. But as much of it as you see, you see more from countries where dribbling technique is the premier focus of how kids are trained, because they're exposed to the opportunity more frequently. It's not because they're latin, it's because they're skilled. It's just an observation that they've been taught it's acceptable, it has nothing to do with their nationality, just their football culture.

I think as a result you also see more of it from African players than from English or Asian players. They have the ball skills, so they're much more frequently exposed to near-trips and the kind of things that exacerbate diving.

Why everyone gets so sensitive about cultural disparities, I'll never know. Brits tend to play long ball and are extremely physical; Italians play measured pass, slow-down football. Tendencies aren't absolutes or condemnations unless people take them as such or that was the obvious intent.

Shaughno
09-08-2008, 03:39 PM
I dont know why all the bitching about diving.

Its not like they won the game by diving. The Canadian team gave the game away, and the Hondourans knew how to finish us off. End of story really.

That really is all there is to it.

trane
09-08-2008, 05:06 PM
I disagree, plain and simple. There's no argument to me. And if a guy as tactful as Craig Forrest is willing to say it in the broadcast of the game that Latin american players are taught to take whatever advantage they can, and they think players who don't are stupid, then I don't see why it's such a taboo topic.

Yes, every league has divers. But as much of it as you see, you see more from countries where dribbling technique is the premier focus of how kids are trained, because they're exposed to the opportunity more frequently. It's not because they're latin, it's because they're skilled. It's just an observation that they've been taught it's acceptable, it has nothing to do with their nationality, just their football culture.

I think as a result you also see more of it from African players than from English or Asian players. They have the ball skills, so they're much more frequently exposed to near-trips and the kind of things that exacerbate diving.

Why everyone gets so sensitive about cultural disparities, I'll never know. Brits tend to play long ball and are extremely physical; Italians play measured pass, slow-down football. Tendencies aren't absolutes or condemnations unless people take them as such or that was the obvious intent.


I had said it in another thread, but it is true, particullarly for strikers in Italy you taught that if you are in and around the box, and you lose the ball, or are simply not in a good position, and there is contact with the defender, it is advisable to fall and hope that you get a faul call. It is simply tactical. Same as on defense if you are up you are taught to slow the game down, to push the ball out of bounce, even to faul appropirately. We see it as part of the tactics of the game. It is not good or bad, it is just part of the game. Although some people do take it too far.

StandUpIfYouHateChelsea
09-10-2008, 06:52 PM
We are so desperate here for some talent that we continue to buy into the hype Cunningham…Robert…Guevara…Ricketts…

I really thought these were descent players before they came but they continue to disappoint. Someone earlier described Amando as "world class"…not sure what world your living in?

hm interesting , But Robert , by far was our best playmaker ..... every one of his balls were pure class, real nice guy too :canada:

Derko
09-10-2008, 07:22 PM
hm interesting , But Robert , by far was our best playmaker ..... every one of his balls were pure class, real nice guy too :canada:

I'll have to agree with you on that one, Robert did seem a bit lazy, but the balls he played were very good, TFC had no one to be on the end of them.

I don't like the diving, but as previously posted it is part of the game, more so it other parts of the world. We have to live with it. I don't see Guevara diving that much at TFC. I think he is good for TFC.

jloome
09-10-2008, 07:54 PM
I'll have to agree with you on that one, Robert did seem a bit lazy, but the balls he played were very good, TFC had no one to be on the end of them.

I don't like the diving, but as previously posted it is part of the game, more so it other parts of the world. We have to live with it. I don't see Guevara diving that much at TFC. I think he is good for TFC.

I suspect that Robert asked for his release. Jo Smith is a good prospect (although they should move him back to striker now, while he's still young enough to use that footskill and speed and add learning to finish.) but he's not a starting replacement, so you have to figure they'd have rather not let him go. It wasn't for performance, as we don't seem to have upgraded.

The Euro season was just starting, I suspect he told them that his legs were already half shot before he got here, and training four days a week on fieldturf wasn't helping.

hamiltonfan
09-10-2008, 11:41 PM
this guy is a bum. I dont care how there tought to play. WE LIVE IN CANADA and should not support players that play like little girls. I hate the fag, and will boo if ever time he touchs the ball. I hope many many of u follow:canada::canada::canada:

stretchthetruth
09-10-2008, 11:55 PM
this guy is a bum. I dont care how there tought to play. WE LIVE IN CANADA and should not support players that play like little girls. I hate the fag, and will boo if ever time he touchs the ball. I hope many many of u follow:canada::canada::canada:

good luck with that...

Pachuco
09-11-2008, 12:03 AM
this guy is a bum. I dont care how there tought to play. WE LIVE IN CANADA and should not support players that play like little girls. I hate the fag, and will boo if ever time he touchs the ball. I hope many many of u follow:canada::canada::canada:

I'll give you the "who are ya" when I see you booing him. And yeah, good luck with booing our very own team at BMO field. Stand up and do it while you are at it.

hamiltonfan
09-11-2008, 01:33 AM
I will do...i drive a few hours every game to get to toronto. i love this team, but i can not stand having a little bitch lie that on the team. I've always hated the way he flops around like a fish. i'll cheer for jimmy B will you chant for Guevara.

Anyone else plan on booing???

Shakes McQueen
09-11-2008, 05:54 AM
I had said it in another thread, but it is true, particullarly for strikers in Italy you taught that if you are in and around the box, and you lose the ball, or are simply not in a good position, and there is contact with the defender, it is advisable to fall and hope that you get a faul call. It is simply tactical. Same as on defense if you are up you are taught to slow the game down, to push the ball out of bounce, even to faul appropirately. We see it as part of the tactics of the game. It is not good or bad, it is just part of the game. Although some people do take it too far.

Regardless of what Italian coaches say, taking dives and simulating injury is against the rules of football.

Coaches are concerned with only winning. FIFA is concerned with the integrity of the game. Coaches teach you how to fake fouls and injuries, FIFA gives out yellow cards for it.

I accept that diving is currently "part" of football. I also accept that it is the one, completely EMBARRASSING part of football, that lingers on, while FIFA tries to get rid of it.

Diving is gaming the rules of football, and should be eliminated. It reflects poorly on the sport itself.

In no other sport on the planet do you routinely see grown male athletes pretending to be injured or fouled, in order to try and essentially cheat.

- Scott

cuecas_red
09-11-2008, 07:11 AM
I will do...i drive a few hours every game to get to toronto. i love this team, but i can not stand having a little bitch lie that on the team. I've always hated the way he flops around like a fish. i'll cheer for jimmy B will you chant for Guevara.

Anyone else plan on booing???
Do you still cheer for Jimmy B when he pulls on someone's jerseys? Isn't that a form of cheating as well.

Shakes McQueen
09-11-2008, 07:17 AM
Do you still cheer for Jimmy B when he pulls on someone's jerseys? Isn't that a form of cheating as well.

Nobody cheers for the jersey tug. You're presenting a false choice.

I refuse to believe that you exist in some vacuum, where pretending to writhe in pain on the ground, getting stretchered off the field, etc. - is equivalent to a tug on a shirt.

- Scott

cuecas_red
09-11-2008, 07:54 AM
Nobody cheers for the jersey tug. You're presenting a false choice.

I refuse to believe that you exist in some vacuum, where pretending to writhe in pain on the ground, getting stretchered off the field, etc. - is equivalent to a tug on a shirt.

- Scott

I'm not saying that someone is cheering the jersey tug but Jimmy B has pulled other players but the shirt, which is a form of cheating but he will still cheer for him, but not another player who has cheated. Players who do both aren't they trying to gain an advantage over their opponent? cheating is cheating no? Can't both be bookable offences?

Fort York Redcoat
09-11-2008, 10:30 AM
Yes cheating is cheating but I'm not booing any of my players. I cheer for them. There are other people responsible for keeping our guys in line. They're referees.

Pachuco
09-11-2008, 11:09 AM
I will do...i drive a few hours every game to get to toronto. i love this team, but i can not stand having a little bitch lie that on the team. I've always hated the way he flops around like a fish. i'll cheer for jimmy B will you chant for Guevara.

Anyone else plan on booing???

I plan on tossing a beer in your face if you happen to be in my section.

Nuvinho
09-11-2008, 11:11 AM
When Amado Guevara wears that red #20 jersey on Saturday....we cheer for him....period!!!

hamiltonfan
09-11-2008, 11:15 AM
ahh my poor friend. listen lets meet up before the game, i'll box your ass to the ground there so i dont get kicked out. your a fucken idiot dude. talking shit over a forum. seriously.....


i will boo... and ill laugh at all u fags for supporting a pussy

hamiltonfan
09-11-2008, 11:16 AM
what sections are you in pachoo

Shaughno
09-11-2008, 11:16 AM
I will do...i drive a few hours every game to get to toronto. i love this team, but i can not stand having a little bitch lie that on the team. I've always hated the way he flops around like a fish. i'll cheer for jimmy B will you chant for Guevara.

Anyone else plan on booing???

First off a few hours... from Hamilton? :rolleyes:

Before you go cutting Guevara up and yelling at him on Saturday, care to take a look at some previous game footage of Dichio? He does the same thing when he's trying to win balls up front. Pulls the defender in, then hits the deck when he feels contact.

I will cheer for Toronto FC, as always.

Players come and players go, but the club remains forever.

SteeltownBhoy
09-11-2008, 11:17 AM
Boo one of our own players because of his antics with his national team!!!!!

You can't make this stuff up. Toss a beer in your face, if you where next to me, I would toss a fist in your face.

Mods what f*cking bullshit is this. I bet the Columbus fans would love this thread, do you work with Bill Archer?

Nuvinho
09-11-2008, 11:17 AM
why aren't we booing Ruiz, i'm sure he dived a few times yesterday.......we only want to boo Guevara, b/c he played against Canada, and we lost. If we won, I'm sure this thread won't be around.

Pachuco
09-11-2008, 11:19 AM
ahh my poor friend. listen lets meet up before the game, i'll box your ass to the ground there so i dont get kicked out. your a fucken idiot dude. talking shit over a forum. seriously.....


i will boo... and ill laugh at all u fags for supporting a pussy

HAHAHA- wouldn't that be you talking shit over a forum? wow, I can tell you are 3 by your spelling and grammar

Mrs. Workie
09-11-2008, 11:21 AM
Anyone else plan on booing???

I don't boo my team, ever, despite who's wearing the kit. Landon Donovan could sign with TFC, I hate that fuckin' guy, but as long as he's in Red, I won't Boo him- EVER.

End Of.

Close Thread.

Shaughno
09-11-2008, 11:21 AM
why aren't we booing Ruiz, i'm sure he dived a few times yesterday.......we only want to boo Guevara, b/c he played against Canada, and we lost. If we won, I'm sure this thread won't be around.


BINGO BINGO FUCKING BINGO.

Remember people, despite national connections, these are TORONTO FC players we're fucking talking about.

SUPPORT YOUR FUCKING TEAM.

Jack
09-11-2008, 11:23 AM
hamiltonfan will have a 7-day vacation for threats of violence and insults

Mrs. Workie
09-11-2008, 11:25 AM
Jack, I'd like a 7-day Vacation too- to the Dominican please :D

First class all the way! I'll send pictures!

Thanks! You're the best :D

Jack
09-11-2008, 11:27 AM
Jack, I'd like a 7-day Vacation too- to the Dominican please :D

First class all the way! I'll send pictures!

Thanks! You're the best :D
Nekkid pictures?:yum:

SteeltownBhoy
09-11-2008, 11:27 AM
This is just food for Columbus trolls. Please close the thread mods, we don't boo our own players, we don't give other teams ammunition!!!!

Fort York Redcoat
09-11-2008, 11:30 AM
Well said STB

Jack
09-11-2008, 11:32 AM
Well, the troll has been banned.

Anyway, you're right. I was pissed at Guevara for a few days because he beat us (Canada).

But it would be hypocritical of me to boo him when we have other players on our team who also engage in simulation.

Basically, I'd have to boo about 80% of our players, because I'm sure they've all done it.

Mrs. Workie
09-11-2008, 11:37 AM
Nekkid pictures?:yum:

If it gets be a free trip to the Dominican, then Fuck ya!

invictusTFC
09-11-2008, 11:37 AM
Lets learn to separate these 2 competitions please! Come Saturday Guevara is going to try and help TFC get its second win in the past 12 games. If thats not worth cheering for, then I'm afraid we've got way too many jaded people on this thread. I support the CMNT just like the next fan, but come Saturday the focus shifts to TFC. Booing Guevara is as pointless and disrespectful as those idiots who started a "we want Sutton" chant during the Jamaica game when Onstad messed up.

Heathen
09-11-2008, 12:57 PM
Wouldn't boo him but I can guarantee a rabbi would show more interest in a ham sandwich than Guevara will in giving his all for TFC between now and the end of the season, its all about Honduras in WCQ now

werewolf
09-11-2008, 01:43 PM
and Amado may not be here til Saturday morning

Why?


from the new player thread, didn't want to take it off topic

Nuvinho
09-11-2008, 01:49 PM
Why?


from the new player thread, didn't want to take it off topic

Carver didn't say........all he said:


I was expecting everybody to be back by Friday, but we're having a problem getting Amado back in. He'll be in here on Saturday morning and I will see how he is then.

werewolf
09-11-2008, 02:15 PM
Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players (2008) (http://www.redpatchboys.ca/mm/document/affederation/administration/regulations%5fon%5fthe%5fstatus%5fand%5ftransfer%5 fof%5fplayers%5fen%5f33410.pdf)


Page 27, Annexe 1, Paragraphs 7-9

7. Players complying with a call-up from their association under the terms
of this article shall resume duty with their clubs no later than 24 hours
after the end of the match for which they were called up. This period
shall be extended to 48 hours if the match concerned took place in
a different confederation to the one in which the player’s club is
registered. Clubs shall be informed in writing of a player’s outbound
and return schedule ten days before the match. Associations shall
ensure that players are able to return to their clubs on time after the
match.

8. If a player does not resume duty with his club by the deadline
stipulated in this article, the next time the player is called up by his
association, the period of release shall be shortened as follows:
a) friendly matches: 24 hours;
b) qualifying matches: three days;
c) the final competition of an international tournament: ten days.

9. Should an association repeatedly breach these provisions, the
FIFA Players’ Status Committee may impose appropriate sanctions,
including but not limited to:
a) fines;
b) a reduction of the period of release;
c) a ban on calling up a player(s) for subsequent match(es).

Why does this constantly happen to Guevara and Ruiz? Jarrod Smith can make it back from a small island on the other side of the world, but Guevara can't fly 4 hours north?

college st
09-11-2008, 07:02 PM
cmon guys guevaras a great player and a huge part of toronto...
yess im upset about the honduras result ( and the hand ball by guevara) but we have to support our players. Hes the kinda player that you love to have on your team but hate to play against...
i support guevara

Red Rat
09-11-2008, 10:27 PM
Why does this constantly happen to Guevara and Ruiz? Jarrod Smith can make it back from a small island on the other side of the world, but Guevara can't fly 4 hours north?

Do we know the nature of his delay? no!!!
well how can we just sit here and call him a Cimarron?
Maybe we should look at flights coming from Honduras and all connections.

werewolf
09-11-2008, 10:40 PM
Surely I don't know the exact reason, but it is in the FIFA statutes, I recall it has happened before. Same with Ruiz. Carver seems to brush it off like nothing, but it will be a big deal if Guevara throws a hissy fit for being sanctioned. I find it hard to believe he can't make it from Honduras to somewhere with connections to Toronto...Houston, Mexico City, Miami. Additionally, TFC has to be notified in writing 10 days before the international match of his travel itinerary.

jloome
09-11-2008, 11:25 PM
It's crap, bush league, unprofessional. There's a reason he had the locker room cancer knock in both NY and Chivas. He's a hell of a player, but not much of a teammate.

RealG-TFC
09-12-2008, 06:31 AM
It's crap, bush league, unprofessional. There's a reason he had the locker room cancer knock in both NY and Chivas. He's a hell of a player, but not much of a teammate.

Stupid comment. You just have something against him, I've noticed your anti-Guevara posts before.

Inswingingwingman
09-12-2008, 07:35 AM
I have always believed that a 3 person panel should watch a replay of every game. On those plays a player was never touched nor tripped and he goes down he's given a 3 game unpaid vacation, with 1 day added for every similar dive after that.

And if he goes down after some contact and embellishment is obvious 1 game.

And if he has a handfull of anyone elses shirt 1 game.

And the panel should be able to reverse yellow and red cards, after all we are talking a huge pitch being watched by one ref, with a little help from guys on the sidelines.

Way more 'refs' in baseball, hockey '""football""' and video replays.

You'd change the culture. I have Italian friends who think a good dive is a beautiful thing, better than a good shot ffs.

Inswingingwingman
09-12-2008, 07:44 AM
Can we start a pool for the plane ticket to the Dominican? Maybe someone there can paint a tfc shirt on the participant! I'll throw in $20 bucks LOL.

Shaughno
09-12-2008, 07:49 AM
Stupid comment. You just have something against him, I've noticed your anti-Guevara posts before.

Pardon? He was a locker room cancer in the past. He walked off the pitch mid game while playing for the NY Metros. His relationship with Preki in Chivas was highly publicized that they weren't getting along and that it was affecting the other players, which is why he was loaned to Motagua.

Before you go calling someone out, might want to read what they say and figure out if it's factual or not.