Your Starting XI vs Chivas USA

[Daveisonfire]

Holy fack, it takes some creativity...Johnny Carver's got his work out for him

Try it yourself :D

............................Edwards............... .
.......Hemming...Harmse...Velez.....Gala.........
Ricketts........Roselund........Gaudet............ .Jo.Smith....
...............Dichio/Ibee..........Barrett.................


Edit: Okay so mixed up Ja. Smith with Velez thinking Marco was playing for Puerto Rico for some reason, makes it a bit easier I guess

[colman1860]

Yes, it looks completely ridiculious haha..oh man

It does, seeing as you're missing Velez and Barrett. But point well taken;). We'll have to see what Carver does.

[Nuvinho]

-------------------------Edwards------------------------------
Hemming----------Velez-------------Harmse---------------Gala
-------------------------Roselund-----------------------------
Ibbe-------------------------------------------------Jo. Smith
-------------------------Ricketts-----------------------------
---------------Barrett--------------Dichio--------------------

Ja. Smith is off to play for NZ. I don't think Ibbe will go to the U-20s, so he'll play one wing, and push Ricko to a more central position.

[ben_vw]

daveisonfire, i'm pretty sure jarrod smith was actually called up for new zealand...

anyhow, i'd do something like this probably...

--------------------edwards-------------------
--hemming----harmse-----velez----------gala--
---ibee------ricketts-----rosenlund----jo smith-
-------------barrett------dichio---------------

that is, of course, dependant on dichio's health. if he's not good to go than who knows!

[ben_vw]

-------------------------Edwards------------------------------
Hemming----------Velez-------------Harmse---------------Gala
-------------------------Roselund-----------------------------
Ibbe-------------------------------------------------Jo. Smith
-------------------------Ricketts-----------------------------
---------------Barrett--------------Dichio--------------------

Ja. Smith is off to play for NZ. I don't think Ibbe will go to the U-20s, so he'll play one wing, and push Ricko to a more central position.

lol - great formation. looks like we did this at the same time...

[BigPoppy]

The only possitive note is that Edwards will be in net (Sutton is shite).

[woolly]

The biggest problem is...What do we do for subs?

I think Carver should thumb his nose at MLS and draw players from the stands...

[LucaGol]

How much do u wanna make a bet that we come out with the victory....the way our seasons been going.

[Stencils]

I have to agree with what C. Forrest and J. Dobson were saying during the game on Saturday. This game SHOULD have been rescheduled. It's a disgrace and entirely ass-backward for a league that wants to see its profile grow.

[Eastend]

The biggest problem is...What do we do for subs?

I think Carver should thumb his nose at MLS and draw players from the stands...

I've sent in my highlight dvd already....waiting for a call from Mo anytime now....

[professor]

The biggest problem is...What do we do for subs?

I think Carver should thumb his nose at MLS and draw players from the stands...

I posted this elsewhere

"I think Carver might want to tap Mo as a reserve striker, Dasovic and Bent as reserve Mids, and Neely to backup Edwards"

[ben_vw]

How much do u wanna make a bet that we come out with the victory....the way our seasons been going.

i'm expecting to hold em at 0-0 til the 94th minute and lose it. and i won't even be upset anymore when it happens.

[TFC_Toon]

What is the status of Joey Melo?

[Carts]

The only possitive note is that Edwards will be in net (Sutton is shite).

Either you're trying to get a rise outta people, don't actually watch the games, or know nothing about football...

The guy is a candidate for our player of the year he's been so good...

Great support slamming him in a post buddy...

Brutal...

Carts...

[TFC USA]

.................................................. .....Edwards...................................... ..........
.............Bill Archer......Rick Mercer.......Peter Mansbridge.....Wendy Mesley
.............Mark Critch......Mike Toth........Nigel Reed.................Mitch Peacock
........................................Barrett... ............................Dichio................ ........

[olegunnar]

Either you're trying to get a rise outta people, don't actually watch the games, or know nothing about football...

The guy is a candidate for our player of the year he's been so good...

Great support slamming him in a post buddy...

Brutal...

Carts...

That's just like your opinion man.

With all due respect to the cult of Sutton, I've yet to see a tangible reason why we should start collecting money for his bronze statue.
There's a lot of, "without sutton it would have been 4-1" or "if you don't like sutton then you don't know anything about football"

Seriously, what does he do well consistantly? What makes Sutton a great goalie. Why is it that a sect of TFC supporters think so highly of Sutton when he's a joke to the rest of the league? You think DC's scripts to steal GOTW are bad? Well I spoke to supporters from 4 other teams and to a man they were all concerned that TFC ballot stufffing would mean "that stiff, Sutton" would be the all star game goalie.

Why do we give Sutton the credit when something good happens, but blame other players individually when something bad happens? For example, Barrett hits Thornton's ankle on a one on one and "Barrett blew a one on one" then Eskandarian hits Sutton's shoulder on a one on one and suddenly "thank you Sutton you saved us again!"
Edit to add another example. We have Velez play well for periods of the game, but screw up big time which costs of goals (sound familiar? sounds to me like sutton, play well sometimes, then screw up royally that costs us) yet we have people saying velez should go and Sutton is player of the year. Why are they, eventhough they make the same game costing type mistakes, judged so differently??

What tangible reasons are there for thinking Sutton such a great player?

I ask humbly and honestly because quite frankly I can't think of any rational and unbiased reasons.

[TFC_Toon]

.................................................. .....Edwards...................................... ..........
.............Bill Archer......Rick Mercer.......Peter Mansbridge.....Wendy Mesley
.............Mark Critch......Mike Toth........Nigel Reed.................Mitch Peacock
........................................Barrett... ............................Dichio................ ........

I don't know about Mercer, he is a bit of a joke back there.:)

[TFC USA]

I don't know about Mercer, he is a bit of a joke back there.:)


I'm concerned about him at the backline because he is bound to take a play off and talk to the fans about some Quebec referendum. :D

[deschamp86]

.................................................. .....Edwards...................................... ..........
.............Bill Archer......Rick Mercer.......Peter Mansbridge.....Wendy Mesley
.............Mark Critch......Mike Toth........Nigel Reed.................Mitch Peacock
........................................Barrett... ............................Dichio................ ........

I'd say say switch Mercer and Edwards. Haven't you seen him in goal before? lol

[TFC USA]

I'd say say switch Mercer and Edwards. Haven't you seen him in goal before? lol


Mercer diving in the penalty area could get us a penalty though. Screw Ruiz.

[TFC_Toon]

What is the status of Joey Melo?

Anybody???

[ben_vw]

Anybody???


not good enough... :)

[TFC_Toon]

not good enough... :)

Perhaps yes but we need bodies for Saturday, do you know if he is available for selection?

[Nuvinho]

With JC, if you do well and perform in practice you get playing time. In the case of Melo, maybe the reason why we don't hear much about him.

[TFC_Toon]

With JC, if you do well and perform in practice you get playing time. In the case of Melo, maybe the reason why we don't hear much about him.

Agreed, just looking to confirm whether he is available and in possible contention for Saturday, if so we have 14 available by my count.

[jloome]

I have to agree with what C. Forrest and J. Dobson were saying during the game on Saturday. This game SHOULD have been rescheduled. It's a disgrace and entirely ass-backward for a league that wants to see its profile grow.

You were't paying much fucking attention, were you? Both of them suggested it should be rescheduled, Forrest went off on a rant about it.

[jloome]

That's just like your opinion man.

With all due respect to the cult of Sutton, I've yet to see a tangible reason why we should start collecting money for his bronze statue.
There's a lot of, "without sutton it would have been 4-1" or "if you don't like sutton then you don't know anything about football"

Seriously, what does he do well consistantly? What makes Sutton a great goalie. Why is it that a sect of TFC supporters think so highly of Sutton when he's a joke to the rest of the league? You think DC's scripts to steal GOTW are bad? Well I spoke to supporters from 4 other teams and to a man they were all concerned that TFC ballot stufffing would mean "that stiff, Sutton" would be the all star game goalie.

Why do we give Sutton the credit when something good happens, but blame other players individually when something bad happens? For example, Barrett hits Thornton's ankle on a one on one and "Barrett blew a one on one" then Eskandarian hits Sutton's shoulder on a one on one and suddenly "thank you Sutton you saved us again!"
Edit to add another example. We have Velez play well for periods of the game, but screw up big time which costs of goals (sound familiar? sounds to me like sutton, play well sometimes, then screw up royally that costs us) yet we have people saying velez should go and Sutton is player of the year. Why are they, eventhough they make the same game costing type mistakes, judged so differently??

What tangible reasons are there for thinking Sutton such a great player?

I ask humbly and honestly because quite frankly I can't think of any rational and unbiased reasons.


He has one of the best save percentages in the league, he has, like, eight shutouts and he's singlehandledly saved us in at least four games. That's why.

Doesn't invalidate that fact that he makes careless mistakes that mark him as costing us games down the road, and a couple of times this year.

In other words, you both have valid points. You're weak-ass attempt at debate, however, is to pull lingo out of your ass.

"Rational and unbiased"? Don't talk out your ass. You have nothing to suggest Carts has any bias. What, you found a birth certificate suggesting he's Sutton's cousin? "Unbiased?" Bias means having an opinion, taking a side, which is exactly what you've done.

"Rational?" Like saying something is that case as a fact without presenting hard supporting evidence makes you somehow more rational.

Dipshit. Fucking pretentious horseshit is going to keep me off here today, obviously.

[Kickit09]

sutton is garbage. he started the season decently but has just been getting worse as the season goes on, like the rest of he team. what good is a couple of good saves if your going to let in a soft late goal every match. he belongs in he USL, only reason people here love him so much is because he's canadian. every canadan player on the team seems to get a free pass.

[olegunnar]

He has one of the best save percentages in the league, he has, like, eight shutouts and he's singlehandledly saved us in at least four games. That's why.

Doesn't invalidate that fact that he makes careless mistakes that mark him as costing us games down the road, and a couple of times this year.

In other words, you both have valid points. You're weak-ass attempt at debate, however, is to pull lingo out of your ass.

"Rational and unbiased"? Don't talk out your ass. You have nothing to suggest Carts has any bias. What, you found a birth certificate suggesting he's Sutton's cousin? "Unbiased?" Bias means having an opinion, taking a side, which is exactly what you've done.

"Rational?" Like saying something is that case as a fact without presenting hard supporting evidence makes you somehow more rational.

Dipshit. Fucking pretentious horseshit is going to keep me off here today, obviously.

Hey potty mouth....
12th in goals against
7th in shots against.
10th in save %
tied for 6th with 6 shout outs.

And since you have problems with numbers, it's a 14 team league. 10th out of 14 isn't exactly "one of the best in the league"

That's rational analysis....as opposed to trying to sound like an internet tough guy, and making up stuff(I guess Ben Knight is right and journalism school is over rated for sports "journalists")...like "he has like 8 shut outs"...fyi.

GOALKEEPING LEADERS
PLAYER TEAM GP MIN SHTS SVS GA GAA W-L-T SHO
Jon Busch CHI 22 1980 120 102 18 0.82 10-7-5 9
Pat Onstad HOU 17 1468 76 57 19 1.16 7-4-5 5
Joe Cannon SJ 22 1980 115 89 26 1.18 6-9-7 8
Matt Reis NE 20 1765 104 80 24 1.22 10-6-4 5
Nick Rimando RSL 22 1980 98 71 27 1.23 8-8-6 8
Dario Sala DAL 20 1800 90 65 25 1.25 6-6-8 6
Bouna Coundoul COL 15 1350 68 49 19 1.27 5-8-2 5
Jon Conway NY 22 1980 92 64 28 1.27 8-6-8 7
William Hesmer CLB 22 1980 105 76 29 1.32 12-6-4 6
Brad Guzan CHV 15 1350 68 48 20 1.33 6-5-4 4
Kevin Hartman KC 22 1980 125 95 30 1.36 6-8-8 7
Greg Sutton TOR 17 1530 100 76 24 1.41 5-8-4 6
Zach Wells DC 17 1530 84 56 28 1.65 8-8-1 1
Steve Cronin LA 22 1935 136 92 44 2.05 6-9-6 2
Minimum: 700 minutes played

http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/stats/index.jsp?club=mls&year=2008

[druid]

Dipshit. Fucking pretentious horseshit is going to keep me off here today, obviously.

Once again... the personal insults really don't help you.

[Wooster_TFC]

Hey potty mouth....
12th in goals against
7th in shots against.
10th in save %
tied for 6th with 6 shout outs.

And since you have problems with numbers, it's a 14 team league. 10th out of 14 isn't exactly "one of the best in the league"

That's rational analysis....as opposed to trying to sound like an internet tough guy, and making up stuff(I guess Ben Knight is right and journalism school is over rated for sports "journalists")...like "he has like 8 shut outs"...fyi.

GOALKEEPING LEADERS
PLAYER TEAM GP MIN SHTS SVS GA GAA W-L-T SHO
Jon Busch CHI 22 1980 120 102 18 0.82 10-7-5 9
Pat Onstad HOU 17 1468 76 57 19 1.16 7-4-5 5
Joe Cannon SJ 22 1980 115 89 26 1.18 6-9-7 8
Matt Reis NE 20 1765 104 80 24 1.22 10-6-4 5
Nick Rimando RSL 22 1980 98 71 27 1.23 8-8-6 8
Dario Sala DAL 20 1800 90 65 25 1.25 6-6-8 6
Bouna Coundoul COL 15 1350 68 49 19 1.27 5-8-2 5
Jon Conway NY 22 1980 92 64 28 1.27 8-6-8 7
William Hesmer CLB 22 1980 105 76 29 1.32 12-6-4 6
Brad Guzan CHV 15 1350 68 48 20 1.33 6-5-4 4
Kevin Hartman KC 22 1980 125 95 30 1.36 6-8-8 7
Greg Sutton TOR 17 1530 100 76 24 1.41 5-8-4 6
Zach Wells DC 17 1530 84 56 28 1.65 8-8-1 1
Steve Cronin LA 22 1935 136 92 44 2.05 6-9-6 2
Minimum: 700 minutes played

http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/stats/index.jsp?club=mls&year=2008


I don't know where you got 10th in save percentage. Taking the numbers at the link your provided shows that Sutton is tied for 4th at 76%, with only Busch (85%), Cannon (77%), and Reis (77%) are ahead of him.

[olegunnar]

I don't know where you got 10th in save percentage. Taking the numbers at the link your provided shows that Sutton is tied for 4th at 76%, with only Busch (85%), Cannon (77%), and Reis (77%) are ahead of him.

I got it from this link
http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/stats/index.jsp?club=mls&year=2008
SAVES PERCENTAGE
PLAYER TEAM GP SAVES SOG PCT
Jon Busch CHI 22 102 120 85.0
Brian Edwards TOR 5 20 25 80.0
Joe Cannon SJ 22 89 117 76.1
Matt Reis NE 20 80 107 74.8
Pat Onstad HOU 17 57 78 73.1
Kevin Hartman KC 22 95 131 72.5
William Hesmer CLB 22 76 107 71.0
Dario Sala DAL 20 65 92 70.7
Bouna Coundoul COL 15 49 70 70.0
Greg Sutton TOR 17 76 109 69.7
Minimum: 20 saves

[Broadview]

Quote:
Originally Posted by TFC_Longsleeve
I have to agree with what C. Forrest and J. Dobson were saying during the game on Saturday. This game SHOULD have been rescheduled. It's a disgrace and entirely ass-backward for a league that wants to see its profile grow.



You were't paying much fucking attention, were you? Both of them suggested it should be rescheduled, Forrest went off on a rant about it.

Ouch. Bad day I guess.

[MG42]

Hey potty mouth....
12th in goals against
7th in shots against.
10th in save %
tied for 6th with 6 shout outs.

And since you have problems with numbers, it's a 14 team league. 10th out of 14 isn't exactly "one of the best in the league"

That's rational analysis....as opposed to trying to sound like an internet tough guy, and making up stuff(I guess Ben Knight is right and journalism school is over rated for sports "journalists")...like "he has like 8 shut outs"...fyi.

GOALKEEPING LEADERS
PLAYER TEAM GP MIN SHTS SVS GA GAA W-L-T SHO
Jon Busch CHI 22 1980 120 102 18 0.82 10-7-5 9
Pat Onstad HOU 17 1468 76 57 19 1.16 7-4-5 5
Joe Cannon SJ 22 1980 115 89 26 1.18 6-9-7 8
Matt Reis NE 20 1765 104 80 24 1.22 10-6-4 5
Nick Rimando RSL 22 1980 98 71 27 1.23 8-8-6 8
Dario Sala DAL 20 1800 90 65 25 1.25 6-6-8 6
Bouna Coundoul COL 15 1350 68 49 19 1.27 5-8-2 5
Jon Conway NY 22 1980 92 64 28 1.27 8-6-8 7
William Hesmer CLB 22 1980 105 76 29 1.32 12-6-4 6
Brad Guzan CHV 15 1350 68 48 20 1.33 6-5-4 4
Kevin Hartman KC 22 1980 125 95 30 1.36 6-8-8 7
Greg Sutton TOR 17 1530 100 76 24 1.41 5-8-4 6
Zach Wells DC 17 1530 84 56 28 1.65 8-8-1 1
Steve Cronin LA 22 1935 136 92 44 2.05 6-9-6 2
Minimum: 700 minutes played

http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/stats/index.jsp?club=mls&year=2008

can't argue with that!

http://protusmose.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/pwned.jpg

[giambac]

Holy fack, it takes some creativity...Johnny Carver's got his work out for him

Try it yourself :D

............................Edwards............... .
.......Hemming...Harmse...Velez.....Gala.........
Ricketts........Roselund........Gaudet............ .Jo.Smith....
...............Dichio/Ibee..........Barrett.................


Edit: Okay so mixed up Ja. Smith with Velez thinking Marco was playing for Puerto Rico for some reason, makes it a bit easier I guess

Why not satrt the academy team?
1) They have played together all season
2) they can't be taht much worse than our regular side, and
3) when we lose again, all you guys will just have another excuse to blame it on

[Shaughno]

Why not satrt the academy team?
1) They have played together all season
2) they can't be taht much worse than our regular side, and
3) when we lose again, all you guys will just have another excuse to blame it on

I actually suggested it in a dicussion on the weekend. I think realistically is that they are not employed by the MLS AFAIK and I think we would have a hard time putting it in place.

[oxygenatedbrain]

...and would forfeit their academy status (and NCAA eligibility?) by playing with pros...not to mention the embarrassment of some soccer parent kicking Preki in the nuts...

[Shaughno]

...and would forfeit their academy status (and NCAA eligibility?) by playing with pros...not to mention the embarrassment of some soccer parent kicking Preki in the nuts...

Basically what I was getting at yeah... aside from the Preki part anyway. :lol:

[mr k]

Hemming has just asked to be released from TFC

http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080902.wspttfc0902/GSStory/GlobeSportsSoccer/home

[jloome]

First of all I said "like, six shutout", which obviously is a reference to approximation.

You should read your own stats. He's 10th in goals against, not save percentage, which says something about our defense. And your math isn't great, or you're borrowing from someone else whose isn't , because 76 saves on 100 shots is a 76% save record, fourth in the league, not a 69% save record.

Third, it's one thing to generalize and take a side. It's another to generalize and say "both sides have valid points." The former is what pissed me off. The latter is what I did to apparently pissed you off. If you wanna consider me arrogant, fine. If you were right as often as I am you'd be arrogant too. But don't jump into a debate unless you have something to say. I took umbrage with guy using vague generalizations to miscontrue the truth; you just took umbrage with vague generalizations, period, which is pointless and pretentious.






I got it from this link
http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/stats/index.jsp?club=mls&year=2008
SAVES PERCENTAGE
PLAYER TEAM GP SAVES SOG PCT
Jon Busch CHI 22 102 120 85.0
Brian Edwards TOR 5 20 25 80.0
Joe Cannon SJ 22 89 117 76.1
Matt Reis NE 20 80 107 74.8
Pat Onstad HOU 17 57 78 73.1
Kevin Hartman KC 22 95 131 72.5
William Hesmer CLB 22 76 107 71.0
Dario Sala DAL 20 65 92 70.7
Bouna Coundoul COL 15 49 70 70.0
Greg Sutton TOR 17 76 109 69.7
Minimum: 20 saves

[Nuvinho]

isn't this tread about the starting XI......now with hemming is gone.....who the F is left.

[Nuvinho]

------------------Edwards---------------------

Roselund------------Velez----------------Gala

-------------Harmse-------Guadet----------

Ibbe-------------Ricketts-----------Jo.Smith

------------Dichio-------Barrett------------

[jloome]

------------------Edwards---------------------

Roselund------------Velez----------------Gala

-------------Harmse-------Guadet----------

Ibbe-------------Ricketts-----------Jo.Smith

------------Dichio-------Barrett------------

Fuck, three that wide at the back? We're gonna get slaughtered Nuvinho.

What about Sticking Harmse back there with Velez, or moving Attakora inside?

-------------Edwards-------------
Rosenlund--Attakora--Velez --Gala
-------Ricketts---Harms---Jo Smith
-------Barrett--Dichio--Ibee--------

Or if he wants to go 442

------Edwards----------
Rosenlund--Attakora--Velez--Gala
JSmith--Harmse--Ricketts--Jo Smith
--------Barrett--Dichio

Either way, welcome to the bigs, kids.

[Nuvinho]

Fuck, three that wide at the back? We're gonna get slaughtered Nuvinho.

What about Sticking Harmse back there with Velez, or moving Attakora inside?

-------------Edwards-------------
Rosenlund--Attakora--Velez --Gala
-------Ricketts---Harms---Jo Smith
-------Barrett--Dichio--Ibee--------

Or if he wants to go 442

------Edwards----------
Rosenlund--Attakora--Velez--Gala
JSmith--Harmse--Ricketts--Jo Smith
--------Barrett--Dichio

Either way, welcome to the bigs, kids.

Attakora is hurt, Jarrod Smith is on international duty.

[TicTacTabarnack]

Bloody hell we're depleted! I never want to see Hemming anywhere near a pitch for pulling the crap he just did.

Carver mentioned using an emergency Goalie ... I say we just throw Craig Forrest in backup and hope the the best! He can announce the game from the bench!

Also ... Who will Captain the game on Saturday then? Both Brennan and Robinson are gone. I hope Dichio starts ... Give him the band!

If not ... Barrett or Ricketts? I saw Ricketts.

[TicTacTabarnack]

*say Ricketts

ps Garber should be shot for allowing this shit to happen! Anyone bringing "hanging" life sized Garbers to the game?

I need a mannequin, an old suit and a *toupay?* (no spell check on opera mini browser)

[rocktml]

BOYS this is where we must come together and support OUR team! For those that can make it to the game give it your all!!

[BrianW]

I'm thinking:

--------Edwards--------
Melo---Velez---Harmse---Gala
Ibee--Ricketts--Rosenlund--Smith
-----Barrett-----Dichio-------

With a bench consisting of: Monsalve & Gaudet. Hope like hell that nobody gets injured during the game.

[Chevy]

BBL - Bring Back Lombardo.

[Sullivan]

......not to mention the embarrassment of some soccer parent kicking Preki in the nuts...


Saw that coming a mile away, TFCA will rue the day they agreed to let the OSA in the "house". A very costly mistake. As if cutting a couple of kids and their parents loose changes much. They've still got a bunch of head cases in their house.

TFCA should have started from scratch, not fall into bed with the OSA and CSA and their baggage.

sorry for the thread jack....

[trane]

I have to say this, you cannot simply switch LB/RB with CB, some can play both positions, but most cannot the positions of LB/RB and the position of CB are quite different, they are both primerly defensive, but there are so many differencence, and this is not the thread to get into it. But the point you cannot simply move a player from position to position and expect him to be adequate. I like Attakora, but I am not sure he has the size to play CB.