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jloome
05-18-2008, 01:51 PM
Okay, in an effort to make sure I'm not completely mad and on the strict belief that those attending live are seeing a different game from those of us watching on TV, a few points on Mr. Rohan Ricketts, who is currently taking a concerted pounding from certain fans on this board over yesterday's game.

I just watched the first 15 minutes from the MLSLivetv archive of the cbc game (probably still on CBC's site too) and I suggest those who've been saying they're unimpressed by Ricketts go back and take another look.

This is from the first 15 minutes of yesterday's game alone, which is about how long it took to conclusively prove you're full of shit if you think he's not a quality winger. I'll stick the positives on the left, the negatives on the right:

3:33 - Creates the first chance of the
the game with a long through ball to Dichio

4:27 - Gets his head to a loose ball, nods it
into the box, where Dichio feeds Guevara for
the second major chance of the game.

6:27 - Cross to far post is just cleared out by
Schellotto tracking back, almost falls to Guevara
for tap in, DeVos calls Ricketts' cross "dangerous."

9:19 - Pushes in another cross that Guevara almost
gets on and forces three crew back into the box
to clear
----------------------------9:37 - Is caught too far forward as Robinson
----------------------------tries to link up defense and mid, Robinson has
----------------------------to backtrack and switch field instead.

----------------------------10:42 - Switches to left side, first and
----------------------------second passes are both back to defense.

12:07 - Runs a give and go with Dichio
that turns into a switch field and creates
good TO offensive move

-----------------------------12:54 - Is too far wide on left when the play
-----------------------------is in mid-field.

-----------------------------13:02 - hard fouls Hejduk

14:52 - Beats two men in the corner on
the dribble and feeds ball to Brennan
heading into the box for a good chance.

The guy was absolute class until he was switched to the left, at which point he was STILL effective, just not destroying Columbus on the run anymore, because he was being well covered by Hejduk. That's it, that's all. Keep watching the remainder of the game and I guarantee you'll see this pattern continue: three or four really good, productive moments before one bad play.

I'll take that ratio. Yes, he'll never be Laurent Robert. But people are forgetting that at his Newcastle peak four years ago, Robert was considered a world class player; he wasn't joking when he said he's better than Beckham, because in some respects he is (with temperament being an area Becks has, traditionally, had somewhat better control over).

But Ricketts is still a very good winger, and I think we should feel bloody lucky to have him. Andy Welsh he ain't.

Roogsy
05-18-2008, 01:53 PM
I love what this guy brings.

We are a better team with him in the lineup.

Haters are haters, but this is a fact that we cannot get away from.

Yeah...he has his flaws...find me a player who doesn't...even in the top flights of Europe!

And I made that point about Welsh in a post somewhere else as well...when you consider at this point last year we had Welshy...THANK YOU RICKETTS!

Fiin
05-18-2008, 01:55 PM
Okay, in an effort to make sure I'm not completely mad and on the strict belief that those attending live are seeing a different game from those of us watching on TV, a few points on Mr. Rohan Ricketts, who is currently taking a concerted pounding from certain fans on this board over yesterday's game.

I just watched the first 15 minutes from the MLSLivetv archive of the cbc game (probably still on CBC's site too) and I suggest those who've been saying they're unimpressed by Ricketts go back and take another look.

This is from the first 15 minutes of yesterday's game alone, which is about how long it took to conclusively prove you're full of shit if you think he's not a quality winger. I'll stick the positives on the left, the negatives on the right:

3:33 - Creates the first chance of the
the game with a long through ball to Dichio

4:27 - Gets his head to a loose ball, nods it
into the box, where Dichio feeds Guevara for
the second major chance of the game.

6:27 - Cross to far post is just cleared out by
Schellotto tracking back, almost falls to Guevara
for tap in, DeVos calls Ricketts' cross "dangerous."

9:19 - Pushes in another cross that Guevara almost
gets on and forces three crew back into the box
to clear
----------------------------9:37 - Is caught too far forward as Robinson
----------------------------tries to link up defense and mid, Robinson has
----------------------------to backtrack and switch field instead.

----------------------------10:42 - Switches to left side, first and
----------------------------second passes are both back to defense.

12:07 - Runs a give and go with Dichio
that turns into a switch field and creates
good TO offensive move

-----------------------------12:54 - Is too far wide on left when the play
-----------------------------is in mid-field.

-----------------------------13:02 - hard fouls Hejduk

14:52 - Beats two men in the corner on
the dribble and feeds ball to Brennan
heading into the box for a good chance.

The guy was absolute class until he was switched to the left, at which point he was STILL effective, just not destroying Columbus on the run anymore, because he was being well covered by Hejduk. That's it, that's all. Keep watching the remainder of the game and I guarantee you'll see this pattern continue: three or four really good, productive moments before one bad play.

I'll take that ratio. Yes, he'll never be Laurent Robert. But people are forgetting that at his Newcastle peak four years ago, Robert was considered a world class player; he wasn't joking when he said he's better than Beckham, because in some respects he is (with temperament being an area Becks has, traditionally, had somewhat better control over).

But Ricketts is still a very good winger, and I think we should feel bloody lucky to have him. Andy Welsh he ain't.

Good work, and I hope its gets some people off RR back, because theres a few of the guys who are slacking it alot worse then him, but since they were here before they are above reprive I guess.

Also dont forget, this is what, RR 4th game with us?

jloome
05-18-2008, 01:58 PM
People are going to naturally gravitate to him as the whipping boy whether he deserves it or not, because he came in at the same time as Robert and Guevara, who are both international-calibre players, and also because he's very workman-like. But I don't care if his personality is reserved on the field, as long as he's effective.

Pachuco
05-18-2008, 02:01 PM
Awesome work man. I completely agree 100% with everyone you just said. I get exited when he has the ball because he makes me feel comfortable that he'll make something happen. People comparing him to Welsh really have no idea about this sport. Then again, it's the same people saying Robert sucked yesterday and Dichio was good :)

Fiin
05-18-2008, 02:07 PM
Awesome work man. I completely agree 100% with everyone you just said. I get exited when he has the ball because he makes me feel comfortable that he'll make something happen. People comparing him to Welsh really have no idea about this sport. Then again, it's the same people saying Robert sucked yesterday and Dichio was good :)

/signed lol

Pachuco
05-18-2008, 02:22 PM
at 18:20 Hejduk looks wide open on the right hand side, Ricketts tracks him down and doesn't allow the cross to get through.

Marco2K
05-18-2008, 02:41 PM
Awesome work man. I completely agree 100% with everyone you just said. I get exited when he has the ball because he makes me feel comfortable that he'll make something happen. People comparing him to Welsh really have no idea about this sport. Then again, it's the same people saying Robert sucked yesterday and Dichio was good :)


Except he has made nothing happean so far.

:taz:

bdrs
05-18-2008, 02:50 PM
Ricketts is amazing. I love 20 and 32 but they excel at different things than Rohan. As for making nothing happen I think you will find he is responsible for drawing at least one foul that lead to a goal because the other wankners in the MLS have trouble with his footwork.

Phil
05-18-2008, 02:55 PM
He isn't known for scoring goals, never has been. Everybody was on Velez's case this year for some poor defensive choices and now one of the loudest chants is the Marco Velez ones.

The internet can be a funny place at times. :D

Pachuco
05-18-2008, 03:01 PM
He isn't known for scoring goals, never has been. Everybody was on Velez's case this year for some poor defensive choices and now one of the loudest chants is the Marco Velez ones.

The internet can be a funny place at times. :D

Velez has definately improved. But I think his chant is so loud because it's easy and people find it amusing :)

Red CB Toronto
05-18-2008, 03:10 PM
Rohan is doing what he was brought in to do

Captain Croatia
05-18-2008, 03:26 PM
I think Ricketts is doing a good job. He was not brought to score goals, he was brought to create chances, make a nice run down the line or cut in and cross it. Sure he could be better at finishing but he is one of our better wingers to say the least.

The Kingpin
05-18-2008, 03:29 PM
I didn't even realise he was the new whipping boy.... I can't keep up sometimes... Welsh, Lombardo, Robinson, Edu, Ricketts... etc... etc... Sometimes the Toronto sports scene is downright embarrassing.

Keyman
05-18-2008, 03:45 PM
My favourite argument against Ricketts was that he wasn't scoring goals. I had a good laugh at that one... He's been one of our best players since he came in, so I don't understand why anyone would be going against him.

bhoybobby
05-18-2008, 04:04 PM
Everyone throws around hate & haters around far to loosely. I haven't read a post where anyone said they hate RR.

Mo & Carver said he'd be exciting with his ability to beat men with his skill & pace. Also his ability to set up others was touted.

I haven't seen this. I have seen a guy who doesn't pick his head up often enough, he's not as aware of what & where his team mates are as a result of this.

Show me who said hate! Hopfully he picks his game up.

bdrs
05-18-2008, 04:21 PM
Everyone throws around hate & haters around far to loosely. I haven't read a post where anyone said they hate RR.

Mo & Carver said he'd be exciting with his ability to beat men with his skill & pace. Also his ability to set up others was touted.

I haven't seen this. I have seen a guy who doesn't pick his head up often enough, he's not as aware of what & where his team mates are as a result of this.

Show me who said hate! Hopfully he picks his game up.

I think hater is just a term for people talking shit. I can see some of the criticism is fair as he has made some errors, but you really haven't seen RR beat the opposition with his speed and skill? Maybe the set ups haven't been there, but we have Guevara and Robert for that right now. RR takes the ball in and beats men or draws fouls. No question. Not flawlessly, but easily the best on the team. Respectfully IMO.

ManUtd4ever
05-18-2008, 05:03 PM
Rohan Ricketts is still playing his way back into form after an extended period of inactivity. RR's ability to create offensive opportunities off either wing is unquestionable. I will give him at least 10 games before passing judgement...

joel
05-18-2008, 05:09 PM
I don't hate the guy either, but I wouldn't say he's been a standout addition, yet. I have been frustated with some of his choices in regards of when and where to cross etc. but it's only been a few games. And yes he has had some good plays too, people don't seem to remember those as often at times.

I think it's more like you seem to be a huge fan of him and have some sort of complex about people making informed comments on his play.

rocker
05-18-2008, 06:08 PM
People are going to naturally gravitate to him as the whipping boy whether he deserves it or not, because he came in at the same time as Robert and Guevara, who are both international-calibre players, and also because he's very workman-like.

I like your assessment of the first 15 minutes of RR.

I find it extremely hard to assess players based solely on what I saw at the game. I always love to watch the replay at home sober and confirm or deny things I thought I saw. My seats are off near the north end and I can't see exactly what's happening at the other side. Even up close, things happen so fast or somebody is blocking my view.... At the game a lot of people are also drunk, which isn't really a good condition to be in to assess players ;)

The comments elsewhere about Robert being lazy probably could also use some of this sort of analysis. I think people see one or two plays where a guy doesn't run and then it's "he's lazy". They seem to forget all the runs the guy does make.

FluSH
05-18-2008, 06:10 PM
...and here I thought my dad was the only Ricketts hater! They actually exists? =P

tfctillidie
05-18-2008, 06:23 PM
I still think Ricketts is a good addition at midfield...stretches the opposing team's defense with Robert on the left or vice versa...and he allows Marvel Wynne to run up forward and create scoring opportunities taking advantage of Wynne's speed..they're a good combo

Blixa
05-18-2008, 06:36 PM
Except he has made nothing happean so far.



Nonsense. Off the top of my head - wasn't he the one who drew the foul that led to Guevara's goal from the ensuing free kick? If that's what passes for nothing then you should consider getting your head examined.

Ricketts is fairly dynamic and unpredictable, and as such adds an extra dimension that we've never had before. I think he could work on his passing a bit more, but I'm convinced that we would notice his absence fairly quickly if were to get benched. I think some of you are beginning to forget how awful our midfield was merely six weeks ago. Surrounded by such illustrious company as Robert and Guevara, Ricketts may not stand out as much as those two, but without question he's definitely one of our key players. A few more games in and it'll become obvious to all the doubters.

Azerban
05-18-2008, 06:36 PM
He's a pretty solid player most of the time and deserves to continue starting.

That's a far cry from what he was talked up to be on the boards though.

Canadian Blue
05-18-2008, 07:47 PM
jloome great assessment and if the game was only 15 minutes long RR would be fantastic......but unfortunately the game is 90 minutes. Until RR can get himself match fit he is nothing to rave about. I would love for him to get match fit and become this amazing player many of you think he already is. IMHO I think too many of you are blinded by the fact that he spent time at Arsenal and Tottenham

ManUtd4ever
05-18-2008, 07:53 PM
jloome great assessment and if the game was only 15 minutes long RR would be fantastic......but unfortunately the game is 90 minutes. Until RR can get himself match fit he is nothing to rave about. I would love for him to get match fit and become this amazing player many of you think he already is. IMHO I think too many of you are blinded by the fact that he spent time at Arsenal and Tottenham

Perhaps, but his upside is still tremendous at his age...

rocker
05-18-2008, 08:14 PM
but unfortunately the game is 90 minutes. Until RR can get himself match fit he is nothing to rave about.

I don't think jloome was raving about Ricketts. His 15 minute summary includes the good and the bad actually, which is pretty fair.
He's responding to people who say Ricketts is shit.

Raging Reggie
05-18-2008, 08:14 PM
yea i dont see were all the ricketts haters are about? Hes got great footwork and does create a ton of chances. He hasnt played regularly in a while, hes only going to improve overtime. I also dont see him getting pushed off the ball all the time like hes andy welsh either.

James17930
05-18-2008, 08:22 PM
Also don't forget that he gets a lot of attention from the opposing defence -- almost every time he gets the ball he's swarmed by two or three guys, which means the other teams obviously think he's dangerous and are keying in on him.

But watch what happens when he does get swarmed like that -- 9 times out of 10 he manages to keep possession and get a pass off. I think his ball handling and controlling skills are excellent -- he actually reminds me of how the players operate in EA's FIFA video games, you know, how it looks like the ball and their boots have magnets in them?

So he hasn't scored yet . . . well, we've hardly scored any goals during the run of play, so you can blame him for that. His main job is not to score anyway, it's to create chances, and he's been doing that in spades. It's hard to anyone to score when playing with a lone striker. Maybe if we switch to more of a 4-4-2 you'd see him racking up more assists.

Roogsy
05-18-2008, 08:38 PM
QFT James

Chevy
05-18-2008, 08:46 PM
My favourite argument against Ricketts was that he wasn't scoring goals. I had a good laugh at that one... He's been one of our best players since he came in, so I don't understand why anyone would be going against him.

Other than keeping his head down a little too much he has been very good. And, what, he's like 25 or 26?

jloome
05-19-2008, 02:30 AM
The interesting move at this point will be to see how Carver adjusts to the reality that teams are just packing the back against us. It's hard for Robert and Ricketts to be effective as wingers if the opposition has nine or 10 guys sitting back, which has been the case against both New York and Columbus.

alexintoronto
05-19-2008, 05:33 AM
Ricketts is doing alright - but I hope he steps it up and becomes more of a force. I remember the question: Who would you rather have Guevara or Ricketts. It's an easy one right now - Guevera and Robert are both way ahead of Ricketts. It's still early though and Ricketts is younger so we'll see how things go.

He made some good runs first half right infront of the Northend. There was one time Jimmy B wasn't to happy with RR for sending in a poor cross instead of passing it to him in the corner.

J .
05-19-2008, 06:04 AM
RoRo is playing ok. I can see his faults and why he is not in the EPL however I am happy with him on the wing.

bdrs
05-19-2008, 07:32 AM
Also don't forget that he gets a lot of attention from the opposing defence -- almost every time he gets the ball he's swarmed by two or three guys, which means the other teams obviously think he's dangerous and are keying in on him.

But watch what happens when he does get swarmed like that -- 9 times out of 10 he manages to keep possession and get a pass off. I think his ball handling and controlling skills are excellent -- he actually reminds me of how the players operate in EA's FIFA video games, you know, how it looks like the ball and their boots have magnets in them?

So he hasn't scored yet . . . well, we've hardly scored any goals during the run of play, so you can blame him for that. His main job is not to score anyway, it's to create chances, and he's been doing that in spades. It's hard to anyone to score when playing with a lone striker. Maybe if we switch to more of a 4-4-2 you'd see him racking up more assists.

Well said.

giambac
05-19-2008, 09:06 AM
Okay, in an effort to make sure I'm not completely mad and on the strict belief that those attending live are seeing a different game from those of us watching on TV, a few points on Mr. Rohan Ricketts, who is currently taking a concerted pounding from certain fans on this board over yesterday's game.

I just watched the first 15 minutes from the MLSLivetv archive of the cbc game (probably still on CBC's site too) and I suggest those who've been saying they're unimpressed by Ricketts go back and take another look.

This is from the first 15 minutes of yesterday's game alone, which is about how long it took to conclusively prove you're full of shit if you think he's not a quality winger. I'll stick the positives on the left, the negatives on the right:

3:33 - Creates the first chance of the
the game with a long through ball to Dichio

4:27 - Gets his head to a loose ball, nods it
into the box, where Dichio feeds Guevara for
the second major chance of the game.

6:27 - Cross to far post is just cleared out by
Schellotto tracking back, almost falls to Guevara
for tap in, DeVos calls Ricketts' cross "dangerous."

9:19 - Pushes in another cross that Guevara almost
gets on and forces three crew back into the box
to clear
----------------------------9:37 - Is caught too far forward as Robinson
----------------------------tries to link up defense and mid, Robinson has
----------------------------to backtrack and switch field instead.

----------------------------10:42 - Switches to left side, first and
----------------------------second passes are both back to defense.

12:07 - Runs a give and go with Dichio
that turns into a switch field and creates
good TO offensive move

-----------------------------12:54 - Is too far wide on left when the play
-----------------------------is in mid-field.

-----------------------------13:02 - hard fouls Hejduk

14:52 - Beats two men in the corner on
the dribble and feeds ball to Brennan
heading into the box for a good chance.

The guy was absolute class until he was switched to the left, at which point he was STILL effective, just not destroying Columbus on the run anymore, because he was being well covered by Hejduk. That's it, that's all. Keep watching the remainder of the game and I guarantee you'll see this pattern continue: three or four really good, productive moments before one bad play.

I'll take that ratio. Yes, he'll never be Laurent Robert. But people are forgetting that at his Newcastle peak four years ago, Robert was considered a world class player; he wasn't joking when he said he's better than Beckham, because in some respects he is (with temperament being an area Becks has, traditionally, had somewhat better control over).

But Ricketts is still a very good winger, and I think we should feel bloody lucky to have him. Andy Welsh he ain't.


Totally disagree.

Listen I'm not a Ricketts basher or hater. He isn't aterrible player but he is just an average joe at best.

Problem with Ricketts is that he signed after Robert and Guevera. When Mo signed Robert and Guevera everyone was saying we had the best midfield in the league. Then Mo signed Ricketts and there was alot of hype. After watching him play I think we have the best 2/3 midfield in the league and Ricketts isn't part of it. Maybe people thought because of his experience in the English league he would adjust easily to the MLS but he hasn't.

In his first game he blew a 4 on 1 chance. He didn't pass and he didn't shoot. Well I know why he didn't shoot beacause he has no force whatsoever in his shot. And why didn't he pass? Because the guy always dribbles with his head down. By doing so he never sees the open player or the opposing player coming onto him and eventually losing the ball. This constantly ahppened yesterday and in his previous games. Yes he can dribble buty for fuck sakes man they reach you in Soccer 101 to dribble with your head up. Just watch him on tapes and my point will be proven.

Like I said he isn't a bad player but has become a bashing boy because people realize that he is just average and there was to much hype when he came over. He is no where near the calibre of Robert and guevera.

But what people have to realize is that Ricketts isn't our problem They should be screaming more about our strikers. They are our problem and why we can't score. Both Dichio and Cunny should hang up the boots. If Carter brings in a striker who trully is a striker, than this team will be the most feared team in the league

Lucky Strike
05-19-2008, 09:58 AM
I was probably victim of being overhyped as well but I would much rather he be in the line-up than not. A quick look at the stats shows that he drew 10 fouls while only causing 2. This in 323 minutes of play. That's an average head and shoulders above anyone else on the team.

http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/t280/stats/index.jsp?club=t280

bhoybobby
05-19-2008, 10:27 AM
I don't think jloome was raving about Ricketts. His 15 minute summary includes the good and the bad actually, which is pretty fair.
He's responding to people who say Ricketts is shit.

Why do people go all hyperbole. I haven't once read anyone say RR was shit, or they hated RR.

The most damning thing I've read & posted is that he's overrated, overhyped & plays with his head down. Where's the shit or hate in that?

Can people not post an opinion without being misquoted?

One of the things I like about the new board is that people seem to be able to agree to dissagree without any animosity. That won't last long if people attribute the use of adjectives when they were never used.

Say what you mean, mean what you say. Don't misquote:taz:

giambac
05-19-2008, 03:01 PM
Why do people go all hyperbole. I haven't once read anyone say RR was shit, or they hated RR.

The most damning thing I've read & posted is that he's overrated, overhyped & plays with his head down. Where's the shit or hate in that?

Can people not post an opinion without being misquoted?

One of the things I like about the new board is that people seem to be able to agree to dissagree without any animosity. That won't last long if people attribute the use of adjectives when they were never used.

Say what you mean, mean what you say. Don't misquote:taz:


Agreed.

Your analysis or RR is the same as mine. No one is saying he is shit or hate him. What we are saying is that he is overated and your right he always playss with his head down. That's why he never finds the open man and eventuallly loses thae ball to the opposing player. Also he has a very weak shot, no force behind his kick.

He is simply an AVERAGE Joe type of player and people have to come to that realization. You ain't goona get more than that from him.
Having said that, it is still good to have him in our lineup because he is better than our other options.

MUFC_Niagara
05-19-2008, 04:03 PM
People who bash RR10 obviously don't know football....give the guy some time to gel with his new teammates...RR is class for me...he can take people on, he can make pinpoint passes...he'll find his form again with TFC and will become one of our best players

bhoybobby
05-19-2008, 04:08 PM
People who bash RR10 obviously don't know football....give the guy some time to gel with his new teammates...RR is class for me...he can take people on, he can make pinpoint passes...he'll find his form again with TFC and will become one of our best players


I'd say the people who point out RR's deficiencies have a different opinion than you. Having a different opinion than you, doesn't mean the don't know football.:noidea:

CoachGT
05-19-2008, 04:24 PM
I was impressed with Velez in Charleston, and, barring one (admittedly glowing) mistake per game in the first two or three games, he has looked right at home.

And I think what Ricketts brings is similar - he plays positionally exceptionally well, generates chances, has speed and creativity with the ball, but needs a little more time to adjust. When he's been out of his natural position (right side), he has been challenged a little more, but he is an asset to the team. I look forward to great things from him, and thought that he'd get at least one last Saturday!

SLBuu
05-19-2008, 04:27 PM
does anyone have a link to the archived game? i can never find it through the cbc website

if anyone does could you send a pm? Please!

thx

Toronto_Bhoy
05-19-2008, 06:38 PM
RR drifts in and out of games...word of warning Rohan...watch you don't drift out of the first team. Everyone is screaming for a striker...if we go to a 4-4-2 we are going to drop a midfielder...who's on the outside looking in...RR.

Fiin
05-19-2008, 07:08 PM
RR drifts in and out of games...word of warning Rohan...watch you don't drift out of the first team. Everyone is screaming for a striker...if we go to a 4-4-2 we are going to drop a midfielder...who's on the outside looking in...RR.

Right now, I would drop Edu way before Ricketts, and possibly even Robbo. Just me tho.

jloome
05-19-2008, 07:18 PM
That's why he never finds the open man and eventuallly loses thae ball to the opposing player. Also he has a very weak shot, no force behind his kick.

Yeah, I notice this load of shit does nothing to counteract the game summary I posted above, where he touched the ball all of 11 times in the first half hour of the game and almost every time created something with it.

It's broad generalizations like "why he never finds the open man" that turn rank disagreement at this stage of a player being on the team into people later remembering him as performing sub standard. Again, I've quantatively present ed some evidence from the last game that he didn't underpform, and bhoybobby and giambac are presenting...what? their opinion that he runs with his head down too much?

Go through the games. Give us some examples by the minute. Prove it. What I see right now is a couple of guys who are being over-critical; yeah, you're right, that isnt' the same as "hating." But it's still pig-ignorant.

giambac
05-19-2008, 07:29 PM
Yeah, I notice this load of shit does nothing to counteract the game summary I posted above, where he touched the ball all of 11 times in the first half hour of the game and almost every time created something with it.

It's broad generalizations like "why he never finds the open man" that turn rank disagreement at this stage of a player being on the team into people later remembering him as performing sub standard. Again, I've quantatively present ed some evidence from the last game that he didn't underpform, and bhoybobby and giambac are presenting...what? their opinion that he runs with his head down too much?

Go through the games. Give us some examples by the minute. Prove it. What I see right now is a couple of guys who are being over-critical; yeah, you're right, that isnt' the same as "hating." But it's still pig-ignorant.

You want facts or stats I'll give them to you.

4 games - 0 golas

game 1 - 4 on 1 wuth Ricketts having control of the ball. Of course with his head down, he didn't realize he had 3 open palyers so he didn't pass. Of course with his head down he didn't see the opposing player and lost control of the ball.

On saturday's game he was set up several times and his lack of shooting force (can't even break a sheet of glass) , he wasted several scoring opportunities.

Shit, this guy came from the English league and he can't adjust to the MLS. That is sad. I'm tired of the bullshit that he needs time to adjust. He's a fuckin professional. How much more time does he need. H ewill soon hav eall the time he needs becasue if a new striker comes in anfd if Carver changes the system to ma 4-4-2 a midfileder will be sent to the bench. Sorry Ricketts it's you. He will then have all the time he needs.

jloome
05-19-2008, 07:50 PM
You want facts or stats I'll give them to you.

4 games - 0 golas

game 1 - 4 on 1 wuth Ricketts having control of the ball. Of course with his head down, he didn't realize he had 3 open palyers so he didn't pass. Of course with his head down he didn't see the opposing player and lost control of the ball.

On saturday's game he was set up several times and his lack of shooting force (can't even break a sheet of glass) , he wasted several scoring opportunities.

Shit, this guy came from the English league and he can't adjust to the MLS. That is sad. I'm tired of the bullshit that he needs time to adjust. He's a fuckin professional. How much more time does he need. H ewill soon hav eall the time he needs becasue if a new striker comes in anfd if Carver changes the system to ma 4-4-2 a midfileder will be sent to the bench. Sorry Ricketts it's you. He will then have all the time he needs.


See? He makes my point. He's complaining that Rohan Ricketts isn't scoring goals.

He's a winger, you imbecile. He had two goals in his first 44 appearances in English football. His job is to beat his man deep to the byline and cross the ball in, or cross over with the fullback to allow penetration, or to feed the ball into the oncoming attacking centre mid. Occasionally, it's to track bacl and defend on breaks.

It's not to score. Know the fucking game if you're going to try to anaylze a player's performance. Jesus wept, that was a clueless comment.

Lucky Strike
05-19-2008, 07:52 PM
What's a gola? :D

ag futbol
05-19-2008, 08:19 PM
As usual I’d say the truth is somewhere between the two extremes. To be fair I’d have to say you’d look at the rest of the wingers in this league(the non-dp ones and excluding our own players), see what they are doing and what Ricketts offers in comparison.

(not comprehensive)

Tier one:
-Fred – goes under the radar somehow but is probably DCU’s best player.
-Castro, Mansally (http://web.mlsnet.com/players/bio.jsp?team=t109&player=mansally_k&playerId=man568523&statType=current), Nyassi (http://web.mlsnet.com/players/bio.jsp?team=t109&player=nyassi_s&playerId=nya593273&statType=current) – It’s practically unfair but true. Castro is a pretty smooth playmaker, both Mansally and Nyassi have produced and tortured defenders. SN can do no wrong it seems.
-Robbie Rogers – if he keeps up his current form at least
-Stuart Holden – USMNT player, great shot, only is going to get better

Second tier:
-Khano Smith – great wheels, decent feet, can’t cross
-Dane Richards – see above
-Alvares – if he’s on his game, he goes in the top category. If he’s off his game, he goes in tier three.
-Corrales (http://sjearthquakes.mlsnet.com/players/bio.jsp?team=t110&player=corrales_r&playerId=cor563610&statType=current) – SJ’s “other” winger. Has some skils but generally is playing below billing


Third tier:
-Omar Cummings (http://web.mlsnet.com/players/bio.jsp?team=t101&player=cummings_o&playerId=cum425041&statType=current) – good speed, has had some success this season, but hasn’t proved much long term and probably is getting plenty of help from Gomez
-Dominic Oduro (http://fc.dallas.mlsnet.com/players/bio.jsp?team=t104&player=oduro_d&playerId=odu563610&statType=current) – great potential, looks amazing one week but disappears after

Fouth tier:
The Josh Tudela (http://la.galaxy.mlsnet.com/players/bio.jsp?team=t106&player=tudela_j&playerId=tud177981&statType=current) kind of player ...

Where does TR fit? Well probably somewhere in #2, unless he gets really uninvolved then he’d have to drop to three. Speed and ball skills at his level are enough to be a good winger in this league. I couldn’t rank him next to the best though as they are generally more well rounded.

giambac
05-19-2008, 08:22 PM
See? He makes my point. He's complaining that Rohan Ricketts isn't scoring goals.

He's a winger, you imbecile. He had two goals in his first 44 appearances in English football. His job is to beat his man deep to the byline and cross the ball in, or cross over with the fullback to allow penetration, or to feed the ball into the oncoming attacking centre mid. Occasionally, it's to track bacl and defend on breaks.

It's not to score. Know the fucking game if you're going to try to anaylze a player's performance. Jesus wept, that was a clueless comment.


0 golas,
0 assits
0 shots on net.

He will soon be riding the pines.

Your stats are bull shit because he hasn't been on any of the scoring plays. Did he blow a 4 on 1 opportunity in game 1? Answer the question. What was the excuse on the play??? Was he not set up several times on saturday and he didn't get a good shot away? answer the question.

Don't avoid the facts.

The only thing he has been on is ruining drives when he constantly loses ln. IF Carver goes to a 4-4-2 system, which midfielder comes out? Guevera, Robert, robinson or your Ricketts who hasn't done anything?
Who would you take off. Answer the question.

giambac
05-19-2008, 08:40 PM
As usual Iíd say the truth is somewhere between the two extremes. To be fair Iíd have to say youíd look at the rest of the wingers in this league(the non-dp ones and excluding our own players), see what they are doing and what Ricketts offers in comparison.

(not comprehensive)

Tier one:
-Fred Ė goes under the radar somehow but is probably DCUís best player.
-Castro, Mansally (http://web.mlsnet.com/players/bio.jsp?team=t109&player=mansally_k&playerId=man568523&statType=current), Nyassi (http://web.mlsnet.com/players/bio.jsp?team=t109&player=nyassi_s&playerId=nya593273&statType=current) Ė Itís practically unfair but true. Castro is a pretty smooth playmaker, both Mansally and Nyassi have produced and tortured defenders. SN can do no wrong it seems.
-Robbie Rogers Ė if he keeps up his current form at least
-Stuart Holden Ė USMNT player, great shot, only is going to get better

Second tier:
-Khano Smith Ė great wheels, decent feet, canít cross
-Dane Richards Ė see above
-Alvares Ė if heís on his game, he goes in the top category. If heís off his game, he goes in tier three.
-Corrales (http://sjearthquakes.mlsnet.com/players/bio.jsp?team=t110&player=corrales_r&playerId=cor563610&statType=current) Ė SJís ďotherĒ winger. Has some skils but generally is playing below billing


Third tier:
-Omar Cummings (http://web.mlsnet.com/players/bio.jsp?team=t101&player=cummings_o&playerId=cum425041&statType=current) Ė good speed, has had some success this season, but hasnít proved much long term and probably is getting plenty of help from Gomez
-Dominic Oduro (http://fc.dallas.mlsnet.com/players/bio.jsp?team=t104&player=oduro_d&playerId=odu563610&statType=current) Ė great potential, looks amazing one week but disappears after

Fouth tier:
The Josh Tudela (http://la.galaxy.mlsnet.com/players/bio.jsp?team=t106&player=tudela_j&playerId=tud177981&statType=current) kind of player ...

Where does TR fit? Well probably somewhere in #2, unless he gets really uninvolved then heíd have to drop to three. Speed and ball skills at his level are enough to be a good winger in this league. I couldnít rank him next to the best though as they are generally more well rounded.



Good analysis.

Currrently I would have him in the 3rd tier.

Fiin
05-19-2008, 08:45 PM
0 golas,
0 assits
0 shots on net.

He will soon be riding the pines.

Your stats are bull shit because he hasn't been on any of the scoring plays. Did he blow a 4 on 1 opportunity in game 1? Answer the question. What was the excuse on the play??? Was he not set up several times on saturday and he didn't get a good shot away? answer the question.

Don't avoid the facts.

The only thing he has been on is ruining drives when he constantly loses ln. IF Carver goes to a 4-4-2 system, which midfielder comes out? Guevera, Robert, robinson or your Ricketts who hasn't done anything?
Who would you take off. Answer the question.

Hate to say it but atm Edu.,, hes been invisable this yr.. but I think its due to the fact hes got 3 new MFs.. Guevara and Robert have been through it before (transfers and new plays/players) and I think Edu will catch up soon, but atm, I still think RR > Edu.

jloome
05-19-2008, 09:13 PM
Yeah, fuck right off junior, we have no goals from running play in that time, so by your incredibly simplistic logic, we should also drop Guevara and Robert. And Robert and Guevara both had shots on net in the last game and didn't score, so they must be shit too, right. And both had clear chances, including Guevara shooting right at the keeper just minutes in.

Answer this question: How do you explain the entire premise of this thread, that I've actually analyzed some of his play minute for minute, while you're still busy backpedalling, as usual, to support an uninformed, juvenile, reactionary, damaging and ignorant opinion. Come on, Giambac, surprise us all by supporting your opinion with something significant for a change.

You've got nothing. Class dismissed.




0 golas,
0 assits
0 shots on net.

He will soon be riding the pines.

Your stats are bull shit because he hasn't been on any of the scoring plays. Did he blow a 4 on 1 opportunity in game 1? Answer the question. What was the excuse on the play??? Was he not set up several times on saturday and he didn't get a good shot away? answer the question.

Don't avoid the facts.

The only thing he has been on is ruining drives when he constantly loses ln. IF Carver goes to a 4-4-2 system, which midfielder comes out? Guevera, Robert, robinson or your Ricketts who hasn't done anything?
Who would you take off. Answer the question.

Big Bruva
05-19-2008, 09:59 PM
lol interesting read so far

giambac
05-19-2008, 10:08 PM
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Toronto 0 - Columbus 0 Game Blog


Posted by Joe Ross on May 17, 2008

The sting of that 2-0 loss in Columbus at the start of the season was still with me before the start of the match. Unfortunately outplaying the Crew in a 0-0 draw was not enough to erase that lingering bitterness. Next time around I’m looking for a proper stuffing.
How They Lined Up:
Toronto
----------------------------Sutton-----------------------
Wynne-----------Velez-----------Marshall-----------Brennan ( c )
--------------------------Robinson-----------------------
Ricketts----------------Edu----------------------------Robert
----------------------------------Guevara--------------------
-------------------------Dichio--------------------------------
Substitutes: Edwards, Tebily, Dunivant, James, Harmse, Smith, Cunningham
As expected, the team was unchanged from two weeks ago against New York. Judging from the way Carver’s been running the ship, I think it’s safe to say we’ll be waiting another match before seeing the debut of Olivier Tebily.
Columbus
----------------------------Hesmer-----------------------
Hejduk ( c )-------Marshall--------O’Rourke-----------Hendrickson
---------------------------Carroll---------------------------
Gaven-------------------Evans--------------------------Rogers
----------------------------------Schelotto-----------------
----------------------------Moreno--------------------------------
Substitutes: Gruenebaum, Iro, Garey, Ekpo, Hernandez, Zayner, Lenhart
The Positives
∙ After (in my opinion) getting out played by New York, Toronto controlled the play for the majority of the game, while neutralizing the threat of Schelotto. In fact, other than the Rogers chance, Columbus rarely threatened. The defending is miles better than the start of the season.
http://www.thescore.ca/blogs/footy/robert--paul-giamou.jpg
∙ Laurent Robert was Toronto’s most dangerous attacker. Lately the Frenchman has seemed content to stay way out left, hugging the touchline and launching in crosses. Today he was cutting inside far more often, making dangerous runs and pulling defenders along with him, creating space for his teammates. He also had TFC’s best scoring chance, putting a low skipping shot off the post.
∙ Sheriff Lobo was looking to shoot more often, especially from distance. Now, several of those were off the target, but just the fact that someone has the audacity to actually have a crack at goal is refreshing, especially with the way TFC has been struggling in the final third. The Honduran Maradona’s best chance was a sweet one-time volley at the start of the match that was well saved by the excellent Will Hesmer. I also loved how he refused to give the ball to Schelotto late in the match for a free kick. Twice he extended the ball out to him before pulling it back when the Columbus number 7 reached out for it. Guevara then handed the ball to the official instead. Cheeky bastard!
∙ After Robbie Rogers beat Marvel Wynne inside the box and slipped a shot through Greg Sutton’s five hole for what I thought was a sure goal, Tyrone Marshall came to the rescue and cleared the ball offline. It was the highlight of the Jamaican’s quality performance.
∙ John Carver brought Jeff Cunningham on in the 63rd minute for the (inevitably) ineffective Danny Dichio, instead of waiting until after 80th.
∙ Every game should kick off half an hour later than what’s listed on the match ticket. The majority of fans got in their seats before kickoff, and the atmosphere was ten times better than the New York match.
The Negatives
∙ Again, Toronto FC struggled in the final third of the pitch. Danny Dichio just isn’t quick enough for this formation. Guevara has an “F” listed next to his name on the team sheet, but we all know he plays more like a classic number 10, dropping back to pick up the ball and look to play defense-splitting passes that Dichio just can’t get onto the end of. The big number 9 is far more effective when playing next to a smaller striker in a 4-4-2. Now, it’s unfair to only point the finger at Dichio for the lack of goals, especially when he was being marked by the highly impressive man-mountain Chad Marshall. Both Rohan Ricketts and Mo Edu had excellent opportunities that were struck meekly at the keeper. But clearly I wasn’t the other one left frustrated with the strikers. This is a quotation from John Carver after the match:
“Again, I’ve been banging this drum from the start of the season we need to improve in certain areas and I still haven’t stopped looking as you all know I was home for a week and I did a lot of work to try and find somebody in that area. The guys who are doing the job for us at the moment are doing a good job but we need better and I think we all know that. It’s going to take time I have stopped working on it and either has Mo (Johnston)”
I think it’s safe to expect another forward after the June 15th deadline.
∙ Rohan Ricketts wasn’t exactly having a blinder out there today, but when the team needs a goal, is bringing on Jarrod Smith really going to make a positive impact? I’ve yet to see him do anything on that right wing that suggests he’s going to help create a goal. I’d rather have a tired Ricketts for the final ten minutes than a fresh Smith, even if Ro isn’t having his best game. Now, if the team was protecting a lead, that’s a different story.
Ratings
Sutton 7, Wynne 6, Velez 7, Marshall 8, Brennan 6, Ricketts 5 (Smith NR), Edu 6 (Harmse NR), Robinson 7, Robert 8, Guevara 7, Dichio 5 (Cunningham 6)
I think the Ricketts trouble with attacking his wing is leading to Carver switching his wingers more often and ending up with Robert down the right trying to get the ball onto his left and although he does succeed sometimes, why should he play at a disadvantage ??(longest run-on sentence of the blogging season)

http://www.thescore.ca/img/blogs/comment.gif cslion (cs_lionel@hotmail.com) said on May 17, 2008 09:24 PM


for the love of God...can someone show Ricketts an old video click of Brett Hull taking a one timer...Ricketts needs to take a one timer when provided with a pass inside the box...
My only comment...in Montreal this weekend...forced to watch my first home game on the tube...so hard to tell if Ricketts is still my Welsh of this summer.
Can't wait to see if Montreal will open their new stadium vs Vancouver in style this Monday at 3pm...

Robbo got man o' the match, but in my mind Robert deserved it hands down.





Jloome ,

what other facts fo you need. You know fuck all about soccer and how to rate players. Get a life and take upo cricket with Ricketts.

Roogsy
05-19-2008, 10:09 PM
Giambac...I think all I have ever read from you is complaints against TFC players. Do you like ANY players at all?

giambac
05-19-2008, 10:12 PM
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Toronto 0 - Columbus 0 Game Blog


Posted by Joe Ross on May 17, 2008

The sting of that 2-0 loss in Columbus at the start of the season was still with me before the start of the match. Unfortunately outplaying the Crew in a 0-0 draw was not enough to erase that lingering bitterness. Next time around Iím looking for a proper stuffing.
How They Lined Up:
Toronto
----------------------------Sutton-----------------------
Wynne-----------Velez-----------Marshall-----------Brennan ( c )
--------------------------Robinson-----------------------
Ricketts----------------Edu----------------------------Robert
----------------------------------Guevara--------------------
-------------------------Dichio--------------------------------
Substitutes: Edwards, Tebily, Dunivant, James, Harmse, Smith, Cunningham
As expected, the team was unchanged from two weeks ago against New York. Judging from the way Carverís been running the ship, I think itís safe to say weíll be waiting another match before seeing the debut of Olivier Tebily.
Columbus
----------------------------Hesmer-----------------------
Hejduk ( c )-------Marshall--------OíRourke-----------Hendrickson
---------------------------Carroll---------------------------
Gaven-------------------Evans--------------------------Rogers
----------------------------------Schelotto-----------------
----------------------------Moreno--------------------------------
Substitutes: Gruenebaum, Iro, Garey, Ekpo, Hernandez, Zayner, Lenhart
The Positives
∙ After (in my opinion) getting out played by New York, Toronto controlled the play for the majority of the game, while neutralizing the threat of Schelotto. In fact, other than the Rogers chance, Columbus rarely threatened. The defending is miles better than the start of the season.
http://www.thescore.ca/blogs/footy/robert--paul-giamou.jpg
∙ Laurent Robert was Torontoís most dangerous attacker. Lately the Frenchman has seemed content to stay way out left, hugging the touchline and launching in crosses. Today he was cutting inside far more often, making dangerous runs and pulling defenders along with him, creating space for his teammates. He also had TFCís best scoring chance, putting a low skipping shot off the post.
∙ Sheriff Lobo was looking to shoot more often, especially from distance. Now, several of those were off the target, but just the fact that someone has the audacity to actually have a crack at goal is refreshing, especially with the way TFC has been struggling in the final third. The Honduran Maradonaís best chance was a sweet one-time volley at the start of the match that was well saved by the excellent Will Hesmer. I also loved how he refused to give the ball to Schelotto late in the match for a free kick. Twice he extended the ball out to him before pulling it back when the Columbus number 7 reached out for it. Guevara then handed the ball to the official instead. Cheeky bastard!
∙ After Robbie Rogers beat Marvel Wynne inside the box and slipped a shot through Greg Suttonís five hole for what I thought was a sure goal, Tyrone Marshall came to the rescue and cleared the ball offline. It was the highlight of the Jamaicanís quality performance.
∙ John Carver brought Jeff Cunningham on in the 63rd minute for the (inevitably) ineffective Danny Dichio, instead of waiting until after 80th.
∙ Every game should kick off half an hour later than whatís listed on the match ticket. The majority of fans got in their seats before kickoff, and the atmosphere was ten times better than the New York match.
The Negatives
∙ Again, Toronto FC struggled in the final third of the pitch. Danny Dichio just isnít quick enough for this formation. Guevara has an ďFĒ listed next to his name on the team sheet, but we all know he plays more like a classic number 10, dropping back to pick up the ball and look to play defense-splitting passes that Dichio just canít get onto the end of. The big number 9 is far more effective when playing next to a smaller striker in a 4-4-2. Now, itís unfair to only point the finger at Dichio for the lack of goals, especially when he was being marked by the highly impressive man-mountain Chad Marshall. Both Rohan Ricketts and Mo Edu had excellent opportunities that were struck meekly at the keeper. But clearly I wasnít the other one left frustrated with the strikers. This is a quotation from John Carver after the match:
ďAgain, Iíve been banging this drum from the start of the season we need to improve in certain areas and I still havenít stopped looking as you all know I was home for a week and I did a lot of work to try and find somebody in that area. The guys who are doing the job for us at the moment are doing a good job but we need better and I think we all know that. Itís going to take time I have stopped working on it and either has Mo (Johnston)Ē
I think itís safe to expect another forward after the June 15th deadline.
∙ Rohan Ricketts wasnít exactly having a blinder out there today, but when the team needs a goal, is bringing on Jarrod Smith really going to make a positive impact? Iíve yet to see him do anything on that right wing that suggests heís going to help create a goal. Iíd rather have a tired Ricketts for the final ten minutes than a fresh Smith, even if Ro isnít having his best game. Now, if the team was protecting a lead, thatís a different story.
Ratings
Sutton 7, Wynne 6, Velez 7, Marshall 8, Brennan 6, Ricketts 5 (Smith NR), Edu 6 (Harmse NR), Robinson 7, Robert 8, Guevara 7, Dichio 5 (Cunningham 6)
I think the Ricketts trouble with attacking his wing is leading to Carver switching his wingers more often and ending up with Robert down the right trying to get the ball onto his left and although he does succeed sometimes, why should he play at a disadvantage ??(longest run-on sentence of the blogging season)

http://www.thescore.ca/img/blogs/comment.gif cslion (cs_lionel@hotmail.com) said on May 17, 2008 09:24 PM


for the love of God...can someone show Ricketts an old video click of Brett Hull taking a one timer...Ricketts needs to take a one timer when provided with a pass inside the box...
My only comment...in Montreal this weekend...forced to watch my first home game on the tube...so hard to tell if Ricketts is still my Welsh of this summer.
Can't wait to see if Montreal will open their new stadium vs Vancouver in style this Monday at 3pm...

Robbo got man o' the match, but in my mind Robert deserved it hands down.





Jloome ,

what other facts fo you need. You know fuck all about soccer and how to rate players. Get a life and take upo cricket with Ricketts.


Jloome,

I guess when you went to school a rating of 5 (50%) was good for you. You settle for a D- but for me it just doesn't cut it.

Take up anothe rsport like baseball where 50% average is considered good.

Time to wake up and realize your a loser.:taz:

bhoybobby
05-19-2008, 10:17 PM
All of a sudden, folks are reverting to the ways of the old board.

It's o.k to have opposing views on players, it doesn't make anyone right or wrong, just passionate footie fans.

Just think if RR'd lift his noggin, DD scored a goal & Robert did his stuff more consistantly we'd all be pals

tfc88
05-19-2008, 10:32 PM
ya RR is doing everything we brought him in here to do. Personally, I feel very confident and comfortable with him playing.. his experience is invaluable. So he's no Ryan Babel.. I don't think anyone expected him to be.

I'm amazed at how confident we're playing now, 1-2 passes, chips, working the flanks. There's not one game since away at DC that we've been outplayed. Seriously! We've played an attacking game, and done quite well shutting the game down when necessary. One of our weaknesses has been finishing, but again, aside from Gallardo, look at the rest of the mls.

The real challenge will be to see if these pussies can play well on the road. This is where team leaders need to step up and lead by example. With guys like Guevara hungry to score goals and be the enemy to the opposing fans, look to see a new fighting spirit in the reds.

Ossington Mental Youth
05-20-2008, 12:56 AM
Giambac...I think all I have ever read from you is complaints against TFC players. Do you like ANY players at all?

I dont even think he likes the team or the league, let alone any players.

TFCREDNWHITE
05-20-2008, 07:53 AM
I dont even think he likes the team or the league, let alone any players.

I like his analysis sometimes. I think his passion for the TFC is just as great as ours. Its good to be critical, as long as its constructive. I think we all want our Red's to be GIANTS in this league, so why not hold everyone to a very high standard?? Carver will lead us to the promised land!!

IN CARVER WE TRUST!!:canada:

giambac
05-20-2008, 09:42 AM
I dont even think he likes the team or the league, let alone any players.

Your wrong Buddy.

I love TFC. That's why I have 4 season tickets and support them.

Having said that I'm not going to call a player great just because he wears the Red TFC Jersey. As a suporter and fan you have the right to your opinion. I have constantly said the following:

Goaltending - Sutton is solid, amongst the leagues best
Defenece - They are decent and getting better by the game, including Valez.
Midfielders- 2 of our 3 midfilders are amazing and amongst the leagues best. I'm talking about Gueveras and Robert. The other midfielder (Ricketts ) is just average as his game ratings have been showing - 5 out of 10 by soccer analysts.
Strikers - very poor and that's where the team is lacking


Summary - If the team had a quality striker it would be one of the most if not the most feared team in the league.

Most of you guys are such HOMERS and think that if you critcize a player your not a supporter. Shit man these guys are professionals and are paid to play like professionals. If I single out a player because he isn't performing to all the hype that surrounded his signings people get bent out of shape. Not everyone on our team is a star, and you have to realize that.

P.s.- Jloome wanted facts to support my opinion and said I was generalizing in my opinion. Now that I provided support for my opinion (Score soccer analysts and even Coach Carver indicated Ricketts had a sub par game - a rating of 5 out of 10), the dude Jloome has gone quite. Go figure.

jloome
05-20-2008, 09:51 AM
Your wrong Buddy.

I love TFC. That's why I have 4 season tickets and support them.

Having said that I'm not going to call a player great just because he wears the Red TFC Jersey. As a suporter and fan you have the right to your opinion. I have constantly said the following:

Goaltending - Sutton is solid, amongst the leagues best
Defenece - They are decent and getting better by the game, including Valez.
Midfielders- 2 of our 3 midfilders are amazing and amongst the leagues best. I'm talking about Gueveras and Robert. The other midfielder (Ricketts ) is just average as his game ratings have been showing - 5 out of 10 by soccer analysts.
Strikers - very poor and that's where the team is lacking


Summary - If the team had a quality striker it would be one of the most if not the most feared team in the league.

Most of you guys are such HOMERS and think that if you critcize a player your not a supporter. Shit man these guys are professionals and are paid to play like professionals. If I single out a player because he isn't performing to all the hype that surrounded his signings people get bent out of shape. Not everyone on our team is a star, and you have to realize that.

P.s.- Jloome wanted facts to support my opinion and said I was generalizing in my opinion. Now that I provided support for my opinion (Score soccer analysts and even Coach Carver indicated Ricketts had a sub par game - a rating of 5 out of 10), the dude Jloome has gone quite. Go figure.

No dude, I'm just fed up with arguing with a child who doesn't even know what "proof" is. Find me one quote -- one single quote -- where Carver said Rohan Ricketts, specifically, had a bad game. And 5 isn't a bad rating according to most NA anaylsts. Go look at the ratings from Geoff Goff one week, as he's the only professional, competent newspaper reporter covering the sport 100% of his professional time. 5 is considered average over here, not sub par.

Look, you can waste your time sitting around here wanking to get the last post in if you want, but I've made my points. Hasta.

Roogsy
05-20-2008, 09:55 AM
The point is that every thread you start is about putting DOWN a player.

Listen...I am all for objective analysis. Even I am sometimes accused of ragging on players too much. But I have never seen a POSITIVE comment from you from anyone and it gets real tired when you ride players like Dichio about things that were never part of their portfolio and complain that he isn't doing more than what his job actually is. Or Ricketts.

Stick to the facts and participate in a couple of positive threads. Because all you are doing is coming across as bitter and negative, especially towards TFC. Until now...none of us even knew if you even liked anyone on TFC. That says something.

T0R0NT0 FC
05-20-2008, 10:08 AM
Ricketts is great now... he'll be amazing once he gets the swing of the MLS! I didnt' pay 150$ for an Official, Red, Ricketts #10 Jersey for nothing! :taz:

Ossington Mental Youth
05-20-2008, 10:12 AM
The point is that every thread you start is about putting DOWN a player.

Thats pretty much it.
All your comments come off as negative as opposed to constructive.

giambac
05-20-2008, 10:13 AM
No dude, I'm just fed up with arguing with a child who doesn't even know what "proof" is. Find me one quote -- one single quote -- where Carver said Rohan Ricketts, specifically, had a bad game. And 5 isn't a bad rating according to most NA anaylsts. Go look at the ratings from Geoff Goff one week, as he's the only professional, competent newspaper reporter covering the sport 100% of his professional time. 5 is considered average over here, not sub par.

Look, you can waste your time sitting around here wanking to get the last post in if you want, but I've made my points. Hasta.

Baby, stop crying.

Your getting upset because I proved you wrong.

5 isn't bad? Not for you becasue your a failure. RR got a 5 out of 10 from soccer analysts. If you look at the column RR had the worst on the team. Of the 11 starters only 2 had 5 (Ricketts and Dichio). What else do you need? For you it is good because 5 is a passing grade WoW man that tells me alot.

Stop with the stupid threads and analysts of the game and player when true soccer analysts show otherwise. Your in the wrong sport.

Like I said take up baseball where a .500Avearge is considered good.

Ossington Mental Youth
05-20-2008, 10:19 AM
I will say your comments have been getting better, i dont know that i agree that Ricketts is average, especially for this league. Granted he hasnt been tearing up the field but he hasnt been lagging either and we are only 7 games into the season, of which hes played, 4? I think we have more to see of him yet. Right now things are in his favor, according to stats and to be frank i dont think hes given us reason to believe otherwise.

giambac
05-20-2008, 10:25 AM
Thats pretty much it.
All your comments come off as negative as opposed to constructive.


Show me where I criticized RR?

I said he was an average joe type of player. His ratings (5 out of 10 ) and his stas show it. Soccer analyst have said the same thing.

Shit not every player on this team is a star. Why can't people stop being such homers and take him for what he is. You have a Jloome who starts a thread saying that RR is the next bets thing to C Ronaldo and gives all this detailed minute by minute coverage of RR. All I said is that he must be watching a different game and player because RR hasn't lived up to the hype. I'm not going to kiss the ground he walks on just because he is aTFC player. I went him to do well for his sake and for the teams sake but as of now he hasn't lived up to his billing. He is Average. That is not criticizing him, that's telling it like it is. Nothing wrong with that comment.

giambac
05-20-2008, 10:33 AM
Totally disagree.

Listen I'm not a Ricketts basher or hater. He isn't aterrible player but he is just an average joe at best.

Problem with Ricketts is that he signed after Robert and Guevera. When Mo signed Robert and Guevera everyone was saying we had the best midfield in the league. Then Mo signed Ricketts and there was alot of hype. After watching him play I think we have the best 2/3 midfield in the league and Ricketts isn't part of it. Maybe people thought because of his experience in the English league he would adjust easily to the MLS but he hasn't.

In his first game he blew a 4 on 1 chance. He didn't pass and he didn't shoot. Well I know why he didn't shoot beacause he has no force whatsoever in his shot. And why didn't he pass? Because the guy always dribbles with his head down. By doing so he never sees the open player or the opposing player coming onto him and eventually losing the ball. This constantly ahppened yesterday and in his previous games. Yes he can dribble buty for fuck sakes man they reach you in Soccer 101 to dribble with your head up. Just watch him on tapes and my point will be proven.

Like I said he isn't a bad player but has become a bashing boy because people realize that he is just average and there was to much hype when he came over. He is no where near the calibre of Robert and guevera.

But what people have to realize is that Ricketts isn't our problem They should be screaming more about our strikers. They are our problem and why we can't score. Both Dichio and Cunny should hang up the boots. If Carter brings in a striker who trully is a striker, than this team will be the most feared team in the league


Here is my first comment in this thread.
I start out by saying I'm not a RR basher.
All I call him is an average player.
I end up by saying that RR isn't our problem and that the bigge rproblem is with our strikers.
I end up saying that if we get a quality striker we will be the most feared team in the league.

That isn't being negative, that is providing an opinion. If people think otherwise they need to get alife.

Problem is you get dicks like Jloome who take things out of context and get upset because people don't agree with his silly analysis of the game.

trane
05-20-2008, 10:34 AM
Ricketts is an average mid in this league? Are you serious? I do not give a shit about how American analysts rate him, they also think that Donavan is a top stiker on the international stage. I rate him on what I see. He is a better then average MLS mid, he has supperi speed and dribling skills, and with time he can become great. I am very happy with him , and he creates problems for defenders.

giambac
05-20-2008, 10:57 AM
Ricketts is an average mid in this league? Are you serious? I do not give a shit about how American analysts rate him, they also think that Donavan is a top stiker on the international stage. I rate him on what I see. He is a better then average MLS mid, he has supperi speed and dribling skills, and with time he can become great. I am very happy with him , and he creates problems for defenders.

Hey your entitled to your opinion. I'm not going to bad mouth you beacuse I don't agree. Everyone has their opinions and not everyone will agree. Some people think Dichio is great, some think he should hang up the cleats. Some think Valez is good others think he isn't. This is always going to happen in the sports world.

The thing is some people on this forum don't know how to react when someone counters ther view (right Jloome)

Nuvinho
05-20-2008, 10:57 AM
I really didn't want to comment on this thread, but now I feel I have to.

RR has skill, no doubt about it. He played with Arsenal youth team, not just anybody gets on that team. He played in the EPL regularly at Spurs. How many players in MLS can you say played in top leagues around Europe? A handful at best.

People criticize Rohan for not scoring, but he does create chances, many chances. He causes havoc on opposing defenders. Have you ever seen just one defender on him? No, the opposition always puts 2 defenders on him, and he still beats them. He is still adjusting to the league, maybe to turf, to his teammates. It doesn't come overnight. I know RR is very passionate about soccer and especially his performance on the field. He wants to do well for Toronto.

as well, every game after the RSL game, teams are not letting TFC make the field larger, which as contributed to both lack of touches for both Robert and Rickettts.

So who is next week's whipping boy? We have gone throught.......Robbo, Edu, Velez, Dichio, now RR.......if Robert or Guevara misses a FK......are we going to start bashing them.

Relax people, we are undefeated at home, undefeated in 5 games.

bdrs
05-20-2008, 11:24 AM
Hey your entitled to your opinion. I'm not going to bad mouth you beacuse I don't agree. Everyone has their opinions and not everyone will agree. Some people think Dichio is great, some think he should hang up the cleats. Some think Valez is good others think he isn't. This is always going to happen in the sports world.

The thing is some people on this forum don't know how to react when someone counters ther view (right Jloome)

You mean they call you names and stuff? or is that just you doing that?
Try not to engage in the behavior while critisizing people for not taking opposing views well.

Ossington Mental Youth
05-20-2008, 11:50 AM
Here is my first comment in this thread.
I start out by saying I'm not a RR basher.
All I call him is an average player.
I end up by saying that RR isn't our problem and that the bigge rproblem is with our strikers.
I end up saying that if we get a quality striker we will be the most feared team in the league.

That isn't being negative, that is providing an opinion. If people think otherwise they need to get alife.

I know what you said and i retorted by saying that you make alot (if not all) negative comments. That is a fact and you know it is. If you pay attention i did give you credit saying that your comments in this particular thread (although i disagree with them) are better then previous. Im simply suggesting constructive criticism goes alot further then simple negative comments.

Cambridge_Red
05-20-2008, 12:02 PM
Everyone is entitled to an opinion even if they are wrong. Not mentioning any names *wink* *wink*. RR has only played a handful of games so far give the kid a friggin break. Its obvious hes not a goal scorer, hes an out and out winger, don't expect goals because it wont happen. Our problem lays in our strikers our lack of them. This system with Dichio by himself is not working. The midfield is solid and in my opinion we have the best defence/goalkeeper in the league.

Ossington Mental Youth
05-20-2008, 12:05 PM
Everyone is entitled to an opinion even if they are wrong. Not mentioning any names *wink* *wink*. RR has only played a handful of games so far give the kid a friggin break. Its obvious hes not a goal scorer, hes an out and out winger, don't expect goals because it wont happen. Our problem lays in our strikers our lack of them. This system with Dichio by himself is not working. The midfield is solid and in my opinion we have the best defence/goalkeeper in the league.


I second this and am looking forward to our DP striker (godwilling we get one and get one quick. Lets see Pizzaro in here!!!! i know thats never going to happen).

bdrs
05-20-2008, 01:01 PM
Everyone is entitled to an opinion even if they are wrong. Not mentioning any names *wink* *wink*. RR has only played a handful of games so far give the kid a friggin break. Its obvious hes not a goal scorer, hes an out and out winger, don't expect goals because it wont happen. Our problem lays in our strikers our lack of them. This system with Dichio by himself is not working. The midfield is solid and in my opinion we have the best defence/goalkeeper in the league.

here here!

TFCREDNWHITE
05-20-2008, 02:48 PM
Hey your entitled to your opinion. I'm not going to bad mouth you beacuse I don't agree. Everyone has their opinions and not everyone will agree. Some people think Dichio is great, some think he should hang up the cleats. Some think Valez is good others think he isn't. This is always going to happen in the sports world.

The thing is some people on this forum don't know how to react when someone counters ther view (right Jloome)


Here's a premise for you(GiamBac)...I just want to put this out there...Let me know your thoughts...But, you must seriously think about it for a quick minute!

Years Club App Gls)*

2001-2002 Arsenal 00 (0)
(Young, fast lots of potential, very though academy to get into)

2002-2005 Tottenham Hotspur 30 (1)
(Glen Huddle is a big part of the move, does well at the Spurs)

2004 → Coventry City (loan) 06 (0)
2005 → Wolves (loan) 07 (1)
(Has some management issues, has some injury issues)

2005-2007 Wolves 44 (0)
(Has a pretty good run, causes a lot of problems for opposing teams)

2007 → Queens Park Rangers (loan) 02 (0)

2007-2008 Barnsley 10 (0)
(Has some injury problems early on, can't crack the starting lineup again)

2008- Toronto FC 04 (0)



Never was Ricketts a goal scorer!!! So i don't know why GIAMBAC has a hard on for Ricketts to turn into a goal scorer!?!?
I mean GIAMBAC get real. Ricketts used to have very high expectations, and was even linked to get a call up for the English
National team..But Politics stepped in the way of that...Shit went down with him choosing to leave Arsenal to go to rival Spurs'
That left a very bad taste in Arsenal's mouth!! Then politics crushed Glen Huddle over at Spurs' and as soon as that happened
Ricketts career in the EPL was DOOMED! he hit some loan spells, got some injuries, and was never really given the chance to crack
the starting line-up ever again, yes, the wolves allowed him to start, but then they relagated him to the bench. Some of his misfortune
is attributed to bad luck, injuries, broken promises, vendetta's, mismangement, and even sometimes lack of skill. Somewhere though, deep
down inside, we know of what he is capable of, which is, pace, control, and dangerous crosses that set-up strikers for the kill switch!
He is capable of all these things, we have seen it in years past! He will never be a goal scorer!! thats just not what he was growing up!
The beauty of all the hope, is that he is ONLY 25 yrs old!! And he has a hunger and desire to prove his worth, and quite possibly end up
ion the Premiership again, now we all know that for him to go back to the Premiership is a tall order and probably won't happen, but who
are we to crush his dreams?? I hope he finds his rhythm and starts massacre'ing people on the right hand side of the pitch. Trust me, John
Carver knows what to look for...I think for right now, he wants Ricketts to stretch out that right side, nice and wide and cause some big problems
for defenders down low, in order to free up space for Robert, Guevara and (soon to be DP Striker!) Carver knows what he his doing!

Have some faith my fellow TFC'ers!

giambac
05-20-2008, 05:58 PM
Here's a premise for you(GiamBac)...I just want to put this out there...Let me know your thoughts...But, you must seriously think about it for a quick minute!

Years Club App Gls)*

2001-2002 Arsenal 00 (0)
(Young, fast lots of potential, very though academy to get into)

2002-2005 Tottenham Hotspur 30 (1)
(Glen Huddle is a big part of the move, does well at the Spurs)

2004 → Coventry City (loan) 06 (0)
2005 → Wolves (loan) 07 (1)
(Has some management issues, has some injury issues)

2005-2007 Wolves 44 (0)
(Has a pretty good run, causes a lot of problems for opposing teams)

2007 → Queens Park Rangers (loan) 02 (0)

2007-2008 Barnsley 10 (0)
(Has some injury problems early on, can't crack the starting lineup again)

2008- Toronto FC 04 (0)



Never was Ricketts a goal scorer!!! So i don't know why GIAMBAC has a hard on for Ricketts to turn into a goal scorer!?!?
I mean GIAMBAC get real. Ricketts used to have very high expectations, and was even linked to get a call up for the English
National team..But Politics stepped in the way of that...Shit went down with him choosing to leave Arsenal to go to rival Spurs'
That left a very bad taste in Arsenal's mouth!! Then politics crushed Glen Huddle over at Spurs' and as soon as that happened
Ricketts career in the EPL was DOOMED! he hit some loan spells, got some injuries, and was never really given the chance to crack
the starting line-up ever again, yes, the wolves allowed him to start, but then they relagated him to the bench. Some of his misfortune
is attributed to bad luck, injuries, broken promises, vendetta's, mismangement, and even sometimes lack of skill. Somewhere though, deep
down inside, we know of what he is capable of, which is, pace, control, and dangerous crosses that set-up strikers for the kill switch!
He is capable of all these things, we have seen it in years past! He will never be a goal scorer!! thats just not what he was growing up!
The beauty of all the hope, is that he is ONLY 25 yrs old!! And he has a hunger and desire to prove his worth, and quite possibly end up
ion the Premiership again, now we all know that for him to go back to the Premiership is a tall order and probably won't happen, but who
are we to crush his dreams?? I hope he finds his rhythm and starts massacre'ing people on the right hand side of the pitch. Trust me, John
Carver knows what to look for...I think for right now, he wants Ricketts to stretch out that right side, nice and wide and cause some big problems
for defenders down low, in order to free up space for Robert, Guevara and (soon to be DP Striker!) Carver knows what he his doing!

Have some faith my fellow TFC'ers!

Dude,

read before you right.

I wrote 5-6 comments on this thread. I don't want RR to be a goal scorer. He isn't a striker an dwasn't brought here for that.

All I've said is that he is an avergae player . sure he is 25 and has upside and alot of potential. Hopefully one day he lives up to it. as of now your summary shows that it's been one excuse after another (bad management, politics, injuries, bad spells, regulated to the bench etc etc etc etc...) Now it's new teammates, new league. I don't want him to score, his record shows he isn't a goal scorer. On my charts he ranks behing Guevera, Robert, Edu an dRobinson on our midfield. Can you dispute this.?

All I'm saying is when will that change . So far it hasn't maybe it will wuth TFC but at the moment he is what he is. Plain and simple.

Remember read before you right your comments

20legend
05-21-2008, 12:42 AM
He plays on the left
He plays on the riggghtttttttt
That boy Ricketts, makes MLS look shite!