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poppamidnight
08-17-2008, 06:13 PM
Wow... Just wow....

But, being the optimist I am... Lets all look forward to the rev's game!!!, where we undoubtedly will see a new starting 11 from the traditional "can't get it done 11" we field...

Some things that became obvious today:
1 - Johann Smith = Best offensive player we fielded
2 - Attakora = Solid in the back
3 - Harmse should never see the light of day ever again... I thought he was a defensive specialist???... He seems to just sit there and admire the other teams plays/passing (therefore neglecting his assignment)
4 - Jarrod Smith no longer has IT (question is, is the "it" confidence or skill?)
5 - We wont see Dichio back for a while... Eric Lindros??? is that u???? I cant tell, im feeling dizzy
6 - 4 at the back DOES NOTHING FOR US... Velez play is diminishing game-by-game, and James didnt know what's going on... Only true CB we have (and worth fielding at this point) is Marshall

So, with all that said, Whats the predictions for 11 for the next match???

Heres mine:

Jo. Smith___(New Striker*)___Barrett
___________Guevara____________
Robert________________Ricketts
____________Robbo____________
Jimmy______Tyronne_____Wynne

Bench Depth Chart:
Strikers: Ibbe>>>>Smith
Mid: Hemming>>>Rosenlund>>>>>>>Melo>Harmse (is shiiite)
Def: Attakora>>Velez>James>>Gala

*With our attacking speed (smith, Barrett, Guevara) i predict the new striker will have to be a big-body or at least good in the air (like Dichio)

kuku
08-17-2008, 06:17 PM
It doesn't matter who we field next week, we're still shite!

a.ungaro
08-17-2008, 06:20 PM
i have to say i agree with that game plan sounds solid to me the only thing i laugh at is the new striker.... no one else is coming...johann smith played outstanding but we need something more

Nuvinho
08-17-2008, 06:22 PM
------------------Sutton------------------

Wynne-------Velez------James----Brennan

------------------Robinson----------------

Ricketts-----------------------------Robert

------------------Guevara-----------------

----------Barrett------------Jo Smith----------

subs:
Edwards
Nana
Harmse
Smith
Ibbe

Remember, its not the lineup WE WANT, its the lineup Carver will use. There is no wayyyy he will use 3 at the back.

kdzb
08-17-2008, 06:23 PM
The funny thing is that New England got hammered last night by the Earthquakes and they will find a way to beat us next week.
I will destroy the rest of my season tickets if that will happen and I will watch the rest of the season on TV.
Fucking pathetic

Sonny Cheeba
08-17-2008, 06:23 PM
Ibee is a sub to me..... i'd like to see what Johann Smith has to offer after a few more practices. he was solid from what i saw today.

Nuvinho
08-17-2008, 06:26 PM
The funny thing is that New England got hammered last night by the Earthquakes and they will find a way to beat us next week.
I will destroy the rest of my season tickets if that will happen and I will watch the rest of the season on TV.
Fucking pathetic

Don't they play DC United on tuesday before us?

a.ungaro
08-17-2008, 06:26 PM
Ibee is a sub to me..... i'd like to see what Johann Smith has to offer after a few more practices. he was solid from what i saw today.

but doesent it seem like every new player we get plays well for the first 1 or 2 games then garbs a nice cold ice tea and watches the opponents run circles around them for the rest?

DigzTFC!
08-17-2008, 06:27 PM
We have so much dead weight on this team. Did anyone noticed we played two rookie CBs and a rookie RB. They did a great job but had the one lapse in concentration. The center of the park is our problem.

Sonny Cheeba
08-17-2008, 06:27 PM
but doesent it seem like every new player we get plays well for the first 1 or 2 games then garbs a nice cold ice tea and watches the opponents run circles around them for the rest?


yeah. they have to settle in somehow. :p

poppamidnight
08-17-2008, 06:44 PM
We have so much dead weight on this team. Did anyone noticed we played two rookie CBs and a rookie RB. They did a great job but had the one lapse in concentration. The center of the park is our problem.

I dont liek your wording of this... You group them together when Attakora had NOTHING to do with it....

James was pretty bad, but he looked even worse cuz he was scrambling back at times when VELEZ WAS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND....

Which is kinda why I said with my 11, I dont really see the need for 4 back, when one of them at CB (either velez or James or both) will F*** up....

Marshall is our defensive General... Keep him there, he doesnt need another CB there messing around

Brennan___TYRONNE____Wynne/Attakora

Waggy
08-17-2008, 07:03 PM
I wouldn't have said it before last week, but what about this: Drop Robbo back (since he proved he's very capible there), and put Robert as a back mid to act as a field general and distributor in transition. Let Barret clog the middle and have some speed down the wings?

------------------Sutton------------------

Wynne-------Marshall------Robinson----Brennan

------------------Robert----------------

Ricketts-----------------------------Guevara

------------------Barrett-----------------

----------Ibbe------------Jo Smith----------

MadMike
08-17-2008, 07:04 PM
Poppamidnight ... I love your symbol ........ Lets convince this organization to get some magyars on the team !!!

SiguenzaFC
08-17-2008, 07:54 PM
------------------Sutton------------------

Wynne-------Marshall(Attakora)----Brennan

--------Robinson-----Manuel Diego Tello----

Ricketts---------------------------Jo Smith

-----------------Guevara------------------

--------------------Barrett----------------
---------------Ibbe-----------------------

Bench Depth Chart:
Strikers: Smith
Mid: Laurent>>Hemming>>Melo>>Harmse>>Rosenlund
Def: James>>Velez>>Gala

We Need another Ibbe or at least a younger version of Danny (I know it hurts but its true)

When Rohan and Jo move up the flanks, Wynne and Brennan need to cover the space.

When the rivals attack is through the middle (incl. crosses to the centre) every player in centre positions needs to hustle for the ball as all the flank players are captive and ready to pounce.


I like the formation above me too ^^^^^^^^^^^

ua-kozak_TFC
08-17-2008, 09:01 PM
Wow... Just wow....

But, being the optimist I am... Lets all look forward to the rev's game!!!, where we undoubtedly will see a new starting 11 from the traditional "can't get it done 11" we field...

Some things that became obvious today:
1 - Johann Smith = Best offensive player we fielded
2 - Attakora = Solid in the back
3 - Harmse should never see the light of day ever again... I thought he was a defensive specialist???... He seems to just sit there and admire the other teams plays/passing (therefore neglecting his assignment)
4 - Jarrod Smith no longer has IT (question is, is the "it" confidence or skill?)
5 - We wont see Dichio back for a while... Eric Lindros??? is that u???? I cant tell, im feeling dizzy
6 - 4 at the back DOES NOTHING FOR US... Velez play is diminishing game-by-game, and James didnt know what's going on... Only true CB we have (and worth fielding at this point) is Marshall

So, with all that said, Whats the predictions for 11 for the next match???

Heres mine:

Jo. Smith___(New Striker*)___Barrett
___________Guevara____________
Robert________________Ricketts
____________Robbo____________
Jimmy______Tyronne_____Wynne

Bench Depth Chart:
Strikers: Ibbe>>>>Smith
Mid: Hemming>>>Rosenlund>>>>>>>Melo>Harmse (is shiiite)
Def: Attakora>>Velez>James>>Gala

*With our attacking speed (smith, Barrett, Guevara) i predict the new striker will have to be a big-body or at least good in the air (like Dichio)
Yea i pretty much agree what you say.. . except i wanted to add something about harmse... His behaviour as a defending mid is exactly the same as robbo's they just act as spectators... and stand there like they are waiting for the opposing team to give th ball away...i am not sure whether he just mimmics robbo or those are directions given by Carver.. But in my book a defensive midfielder runs his ass off in the midfield... and acts as an extra defender, hustleing and trying to get the ball back...

poppamidnight
08-17-2008, 10:20 PM
Yea i pretty much agree what you say.. . except i wanted to add something about harmse... His behaviour as a defending mid is exactly the same as robbo's they just act as spectators... and stand there like they are waiting for the opposing team to give th ball away...i am not sure whether he just mimmics robbo or those are directions given by Carver.. But in my book a defensive midfielder runs his ass off in the midfield... and acts as an extra defender, hustleing and trying to get the ball back...

key difference:

Robbo can make the tackle (the majority of the time)...

....honestly, (and im not kidding here), I cannot remember ONE TACKLE Harmse has made that wasnt called or given a card....

as a matter of fact (again dead serious here) i cringe when the attacking team comes head on to harmse knowing that i very well could be witnessing a stupid tackle and a straight red

The_Truth
08-18-2008, 12:30 AM
Part of the problem (arguably a big part) is that the lineup changes (sometimes dramatically) every week. Doesn't allow for a great deal of cohesion through the side.

Carver's mistake there.

Daveisonfire
08-18-2008, 12:38 AM
-----------Sutton/Edwards---------
Attakora---James---Marshall---Brennan
---------Robbo--------Tello---------------
Ricketts------------------------Robert---
----------Guevara-----------------------
------------------Barrett-----------------

Keegan
08-18-2008, 12:40 AM
Some of these vets don't deserve to play. Go with the yutes

-----------Sutton/Edwards---------
Wynne---Nana---Marshall---Brennan
-----------Robbo--------Tello---------------
Ricketts------------------------Gala---
----------Guevara-----------------------
------------------Barrett-----------------

Daveisonfire
08-18-2008, 09:03 AM
^Interesting picking Gala over Jo. Smith

It wouldn't bother me too much either

Ossington Mental Youth
08-18-2008, 09:27 AM
------------------Sutton------------------

Wynne-------Velez------James----Brennan

------------------Robinson----------------

Ricketts-----------------------------Robert

------------------Guevara-----------------

----------Barrett------------Jo Smith----------

subs:
Edwards
Nana
Harmse
Smith
Ibbe

Remember, its not the lineup WE WANT, its the lineup Carver will use. There is no wayyyy he will use 3 at the back.

This si the formation i think we will see

ensco
08-18-2008, 10:08 AM
Poppamidnight ... I love your symbol ........ Lets convince this organization to get some magyars on the team !!!

Sad to say this makes no sense

It's been 25 years since Hungary fielded a decent team

MadMike
08-18-2008, 10:48 AM
Sad to say this makes no sense

It's been 25 years since Hungary fielded a decent team
Sad but true..... although I'd take Gera on our team !?

Ossington Mental Youth
08-18-2008, 10:52 AM
on second thought, this makes sense as well


-----------Sutton/Edwards---------
Attakora---James---Marshall---Brennan
---------Robbo--------Tello---------------
Ricketts------------------------Robert---
----------Guevara-----------------------
------------------Barrett-----------------

tlear
08-18-2008, 11:08 AM
Tello is just another rumor? Robert was injured, if he can get back to fitness I don't think we can afford benching him, unless we got another signing in the midfield

Anyway

Wynn -- Velez - James -- Brennan
Rickets--Robbo-Guevara-- Robert
-------Barret-----Jo Smith-------


or

Wynn -- Velez - James -- Brennan
Rickets-- Robbo - Robert -Jo Smith
-------------Guevara------------
-------------Barret--------------

I would prefer first one, but I also really liked Jo Smith runs on the wing, very impressive.

Ossington Mental Youth
08-18-2008, 11:23 AM
Tello is on trial this week

LucaGol
08-18-2008, 11:35 AM
My new experimental line-up:

-----Velez---James---Marshall
Wynne----------------------Brennan
------Robinson-----Guevara
-------------Ricketts
-----------------------Jo. Smith
---------Barrett

Features:

1. Wynne can bomb up the flanks and not have to worry as much about his defensive duties. Same goes for Brennan (who's shown to be a better left-sided player than Robert)

2. System is easily adaptable depending on the situation (3 at the back or 5 at the back....can also pack the midfield if you're losing the battle there by asking Brennan and Wynne to move up and Ricketts to play deeper).

3. Ricketts moves to the middle where he showed success during the games that Guevara and Robert were absent.

4. Guevara picks up the deeper role where he control the ball in the centre of the park.

5. Robbo does his thing.

6. Johann Smith plays off the shoulders of Barrett. Attacks will require a lot of cooperation between the trident of Smith, Barrett and Ricketts. Forget the dominant wing play....play through Ricketts in the centre. Only use the wings when Wynne and Brennan are overlapping for options.

7. Rids the old formation of redundant players with redundant attacking ideas....i.e. Robinson/Edu...Robert/Brennan....Ricketts/Wynne

8. Formation is dependant on Wynne and Brennan giving the attacking players options and getting forward, and is also dependant on the ability of Guevara and Ricketts to link play.

poppamidnight
08-18-2008, 01:23 PM
My new experimental line-up:

-----Velez---James---Marshall
Wynne----------------------Brennan
------Robinson-----Guevara
-------------Ricketts
-----------------------Jo. Smith
---------Barrett

Features:

1. Wynne can bomb up the flanks and not have to worry as much about his defensive duties. Same goes for Brennan (who's shown to be a better left-sided player than Robert)

2. System is easily adaptable depending on the situation (3 at the back or 5 at the back....can also pack the midfield if you're losing the battle there by asking Brennan and Wynne to move up and Ricketts to play deeper).

3. Ricketts moves to the middle where he showed success during the games that Guevara and Robert were absent.

4. Guevara picks up the deeper role where he control the ball in the centre of the park.

5. Robbo does his thing.

6. Johann Smith plays off the shoulders of Barrett. Attacks will require a lot of cooperation between the trident of Smith, Barrett and Ricketts. Forget the dominant wing play....play through Ricketts in the centre. Only use the wings when Wynne and Brennan are overlapping for options.

7. Rids the old formation of redundant players with redundant attacking ideas....i.e. Robinson/Edu...Robert/Brennan....Ricketts/Wynne

8. Formation is dependant on Wynne and Brennan giving the attacking players options and getting forward, and is also dependant on the ability of Guevara and Ricketts to link play.

Big problem there...

First off, you ignore the fact that Marshall is our defensive leader... and clearly a CB (the only good one at that),
second, the fact that James is not ready for a starting role... He'll be good but as of now he's not starter material.... Better than velez? for sure, but not starter material

and Velez... He's going downhill, he's to slow to be at the back out wide...
Right now Velez doesnt deserve to start either,

He's down right the bottom of the depth chart as of now (yes Attakora has overtaken him + James)...

...add into the fact that Hemming CAN play defense if needed, and you have trouble for Velez + James (attakora and hemming being better than them both)

LucaGol
08-18-2008, 01:27 PM
Big problem there...

First off, you ignore the fact that Marshall is our defensive leader... and clearly a CB (the only good one at that),
second, the fact that James is not ready for a starting role... He'll be good but as of now he's not starter material.... Better than velez? for sure, but not starter material

and Velez... He's going downhill, he's to slow to be at the back out wide...
Right now Velez doesnt deserve to start either,

He's down right the bottom of the depth chart as of now (yes Attakora has overtaken him + James)...

...add into the fact that Hemming CAN play defense if needed, and you have trouble for Velez + James (attakora and hemming being better than them both)

Ok, number 1...when you play 5 at the back, the centre three are natural CBs.

Number 2, I have no idea what you said for the rest of the post because it was incoherent and added really no criticisms of substance to my tactical plan.

giambac
08-18-2008, 01:41 PM
The funny thing is that New England got hammered last night by the Earthquakes and they will find a way to beat us next week.
I will destroy the rest of my season tickets if that will happen and I will watch the rest of the season on TV.
Fucking pathetic

earthquakes are a better team than TFC.

they started slow but with the Huckerby addition they look strong. They aslo have several home games remaining so most likely they will finish ahead of TFC in the satndings. OUCH!

MEU
08-18-2008, 04:32 PM
Sad to say this makes no sense

It's been 25 years since Hungary fielded a decent team

Yeah. Plus we lost to MALTA in the qualifier! Although, there are a couple of decent players on the team that play in the Bundesliga.

canadaneedsmusic
08-19-2008, 06:52 AM
Best Line-Up I think carver MIGHT field:

------------------Sutton------------------
Wynne-----Velez-----Marshall----Brennan
--------------Robinson------------------
Ricketts--------------------------Robert
-------------Guevara-------------------
----------Dichio------J Smith-----------

I think Johann Smith and his speed can cause HUGE issues for the other defence, but we'll probably see barret in that role.

Line Up I'd like to see:


------------------Sutton------------------
----Wynne-------Marshall----Brennan---
--------------Robinson------------------
Ricketts--------------------------Robert
-------------Guevara-------------------
------Barret------Dichio------J Smith-------

With Ibbe as a sub for Dichio or Smith in the second half. And Gyan to come in for a forward if we want to defend more on a lead.

Stouffville_RPB
08-19-2008, 07:14 AM
The funny thing is that New England got hammered last night by the Earthquakes and they will find a way to beat us next week.
I will destroy the rest of my season tickets if that will happen and I will watch the rest of the season on TV.
Fucking pathetic

Send them this way instead. :)

poppamidnight
08-19-2008, 12:26 PM
Best Line-Up I think carver MIGHT field:

------------------Sutton------------------
Wynne-----Velez-----Marshall----Brennan
--------------Robinson------------------
Ricketts--------------------------Robert
-------------Guevara-------------------
----------Dichio------J Smith-----------

I think Johann Smith and his speed can cause HUGE issues for the other defence, but we'll probably see barret in that role.

Line Up I'd like to see:


------------------Sutton------------------
----Wynne-------Marshall----Brennan---
--------------Robinson------------------
Ricketts--------------------------Robert
-------------Guevara-------------------
------Barret------Dichio------J Smith-------

With Ibbe as a sub for Dichio or Smith in the second half. And Gyan to come in for a forward if we want to defend more on a lead.

I agree with you that Carver's not gunna give fans what they wanna see (3 in the back, 3 upfront),

BUT one problem with your lineup: Dichio....
....problems with the concussion again, if u EVER wanna see him in our kit again, your #1 priority should be his health, hence, shutting him down for the year (rather than jepordizing his career)...

News today is that another player is on his way out and another in,
so an idea i was tossing around as of late is this:


------------------Sutton------------------
----Wynne-------Marshall----Attakora---
---------Robinson---------Brennan-----------
---Guevara-------------------------Ricketts--
------Barrett----(New Striker)----Jo Smith---

-Robert gone, New striker (big body),... BUMPING JIMMY B TO MF WHERE HE BELONGS (and says he wants to be),
and trying Attakora in the LB spot

That lineups best possible for us to get results (make playoffs)....
...you want to go for ties/close games (no chance at playoffs): go with carvers 4 back

Ossington Mental Youth
08-19-2008, 12:27 PM
Why would Guevera play out of position on the wing?

Derko
08-19-2008, 12:50 PM
Yes, TFC played like a bunch of Wankers, I guess I must be a true supporter, pissed as hell, but still going to support my team. Those who want to jump off the wagon, but will surely jump back on when there is improvement, may I have your seats for now, for a few REAL supporters whom cannot get seats?

v00d00daddy
08-19-2008, 11:47 PM
Well a lot has changed. Not necessarily what I want to see but more what I think might happen.

Assuming everything is official or at least semi official....

------------------Sutton------------------
----Wynne---James(attakora?)---Velez---Brennan
------------------Robinson------------------
---Ricketts------------------------Jo Smith---
------------------Guevara--------------
-------Ruiz-----------------Barrett---------------

I_AM_CANADIAN
08-19-2008, 11:56 PM
I really didn't see all that much in Smith... And now that Robert's gone, we essentially have no choice but to stick him out on the wing again. I'm guessing he'd be more comfortable as a left sided striker, but Mo's essentially forced Carver to play him out there by releasing Robert. Assuming that Ruiz is on his way (yeah Mo, what a huge signing...), this is my eleven:


--------Sutton--------

Wynne-Velez-Marshall-Brennan

--------Robinson--------
--Ricketts--------Smith--
--------Guevara--------

----Ruiz----Barrett----


Rather weak.

poppamidnight
08-20-2008, 10:25 AM
I really didn't see all that much in Smith... And now that Robert's gone, we essentially have no choice but to stick him out on the wing again. I'm guessing he'd be more comfortable as a left sided striker, but Mo's essentially forced Carver to play him out there by releasing Robert. Assuming that Ruiz is on his way (yeah Mo, what a huge signing...), this is my eleven:


--------Sutton--------

Wynne-Velez-Marshall-Brennan

--------Robinson--------
--Ricketts--------Smith--
--------Guevara--------

----Ruiz----Barrett----


Rather weak.

how did you not see:
-Johann's Speed
-The fear in defenders eyes when he came at them
-His ability to juke
-hit EXCELLENT crosses (unlike roberts)???

I think your lineup will be close,

But the problem I see is Velez...
Honestly as bad as both were last games, James showed he was better...

Velez was "the starter" while James was the "replacement starter", and James was the one covering Marco's arse.....

Plus Velez hasnt done anything in the air for a while (in fact if i remember right, he's been getting fouls called on our corners),

So the best lineup for our next game (IMO) would be this:

--------Sutton--------

Wynne-James-Marshall-Brennan

--------Robinson--------
--Ricketts--------Smith--
--------Guevara--------

----Ruiz----Barrett----

-Attakora in at D around the 60 min mark (for Wynne or James)
-Ibbe in (for whichever strikers legs give out first)
then the emergency sub....

...I am really excited to see Ibbe come on as a sub again....
I think thats gunna be where he's at his best (and most dangerous)...