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S_D
08-14-2008, 12:25 PM
Ok since there always seems to be confusion about how many picks TFC has and how much allocation $$ Mo has gotten his hands on from trades etc, I thought I would put this together from all of the news releases on the MLS site. If others are in agreement...Mods please sticky and I will keep it up to date.

For more information on roster spots:
http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=3237

2008

Allocation $$

Major Allocation for last season's finish
Major Allocation San Jose (Obrien)
Allocation San Jose amount unknown (Huckerby)
Partial Allocation TO LA for Edwards pick
Allocation To NE Revs amount unknown (allocation order swap to sign Johann Smith)
Salary Budget Considerations To L.A. (Ruiz) (assume it is allocation cash)
500K Allocation Cash (Edu sale to Rangers)
Between $125,000 and $150,000 to Houston for Dero

International Slots

1 San Jose 2008 - 2013 (Huckerby)
1 Revs 2008 - 2010 (Phelan)

2008 Notes:
Edu Sale 5.75 million. 3.8 million to TFC (500K Allocation, 3.3 Million to club infrastructure)

2009

Super Draft

1st Round
TFC
San Jose (Obrien trade)
Chicago (McBride)

2nd Round
TFC

3rd Round
TFC
Dallas (Cunningham)

4th Round
TFC (To LA for Harmse)

Supplemental Draft

1st round
TFC (To L.A. for Ruiz)
DC United (Mike Zahr)

2nd Round
TFC (To L.A. for Ruiz)

3rd Round
TFC (To NYRB for Hunter Freeman)

4th Round
TFC (To NYRB for Hunter Freeman)

International Slots

added international spot (2009 + 2010) from Houston in exchange for allocation ranking swap.

Allocation $$$

Allocation - Chicago Conditional on Barrett signing contract (Barrett has signed for 4 years so assuming no allocation $$ from Chicago)

TFC acquires allocation cash for Dunnivant in trade with LAG.

TFC acquires allocation cash for Marshall in trade with Seattle. According to Ives, 100K
http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2009/02/seattle-set-to-deal-smith-to-rbny-after-landing-marshall.html

Allocation cash sent to FC Dallas as part of trade for Serioux (+2010 natural first round pick noted below)

2009 Notes:
Chivas gets a draft pick for Guevara. Not sure if it is a 2nd or 3rd round pick

2010

Super Draft

1st Round
TFC (to Dallas for Serioux)
http://web.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20090224&content_id=219546&vkey=pr_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280

2nd Round
TFC (to Dallas - assuming this due to conditions of Ibrahim trade. See notes below. Expect Ibriham to play less than 10 games in 2009)

To TFC (Natural second round pick from Rapids in exchange for rights to forward Gregory Richardson.)
http://web.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20090227&content_id=220279&vkey=pr_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280

3rd Round
TFC (To San Jose in exchange for Nick Garcia and signing rights to Ali Gerba)
http://web.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20090609&content_id=5226226&vkey=news_sje&fext=.jsp&team=t110

4th Round
TFC

Allocation $$$

TBD

2010 notes:
Chivas gets a draft pick for Guevara. Not sure if it is a 2nd or 3rd round pick

Info on Ibrahim Trade from articles in June 2008:
http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20080613&content_id=165466&vkey=pr_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280

http://www.3rddegree.net/2008/06/abdus-ibrahim-traded-to-toronto/
Abdus Ibrahim has been traded to Toronto FC for a conditional draft pick. If Ibrahim plays 10 or more games in 2009, or if he is sold, loaned, or traded, then FCD will receive a 2010 first round pick. If none of the previous conditions are met, then FCD will receive a 2nd round pick. Ibrahim had a strong spring for FCD and was really starting to show some talent before his sabbatical.


2011

Super Draft

1st Round
TFC

2nd Round
TFC (To NYRB If Freeman returns to the league before or on Dec. 31, 2009)

3rd Round
TFC (To Colorado for Ty Harden)
Colorado (To TFC Marvell Wynne for Nick LaBrocca and a third round pick)
Houston (To TFC Serioux traded for 3rd round pick)

4th Round
TFC
NYRB (4th rounder for Carl Robinson and paying part of his contract)

Allocation $$$
TBD

Other Notes:
If Ibriham is sold dallas gets 50% of transfer fee

Allocation Money Explanation


Allocation Amounts: (from memory am searching to confirm actual amounts)

Major Allocation: somewhere between 250K-300K
Minor Allocation: Major Allocation can be split into 3

http://web.mlsnet.com/about/league.jsp?section=regulations&content=overview
A club receives allocation money for (1) poor performance during the preceding MLS regular season; (2) the transfer of a player to a club outside of MLS for value; (3) roster purposes due to expansion status; or (4) exceptional circumstances as approved by the Competition Committee.
Each year the MLS Competition Committee determines how much allocation money is made available to each team. Allocation money can be traded by teams. Allocation money does not count against a team's salary budget and can be used:
• To sign players new to MLS (that is, a player that did not play in MLS during the previous season).
• To re-sign an existing MLS player, with League approval.
• In connection with the exercise of an option to purchase a player's rights or the extension of a player's contact for the second year provided the player was new to MLS in the immediately prior year.
• Allocation money cannot otherwise be used to buy down the salary budget number of players already under contract to the League, nor can allocation money be used to buy down the budget number of a Designated Player.
• Allocation can in certain circumstances be used to buy down salary (max 50%), but not to add to it. If you sign a guy to $100k you can use up to 50k to buy it down. Allocation does not apply to development players.
(source Paul B http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=9567&page=3 )
• lots of interesting stuff about allocation cash when it comes to buying players and how it works against the cap, and acquiring players on loan, specifically from South America.


“As you can imagine in a world governed by a hard salary cap if the buyout clause is half a million bucks, sure you might have the allocation money but all of that allocation cost counts against the cap and so you have to account for that. As you probably know the designated player counts for $415,000 against the cap, and you are only allowed one designated player per team. So now if you have a $500,000 acquisition cost, before you pay the player a dollar you are already into DP territory. So now you have to structure not only your cap, but the DP slot and any potential fee with the player.”


http://keepinitrealsl.blogspot.com/2008/09/garth-lagerway-on-player-acquisitions.html


Allocation Split from Player Sales:

MLS: 1/3 (less 10% of total transfer fee to player sold)
TFC: 2/3 of which a maximum of 500K as an allocation, the balance held in trust by MLS for club infrastructure improvement.

Sources:
1) TFC Announcement by Mo http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20080819&content_id=181353&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280
2) MLS Collective Bargaining Agreement (Article 15.3):
http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/collective_bargaining_agreement__final.pdf

Allocation Money Expiration from Player Sales

18 months starting the following season after the sale.

Source:
http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/story/?id=246908&lid=sublink04&lpos=headlines_main

$500,000 will go towards player allocation money - which can be spent over 18 months starting next year, used on salary or to buy a player

If I have missed any let me know and I will add it to the list above.

boban
08-14-2008, 12:41 PM
What are the allocation amounts?

Shaughno
08-14-2008, 12:49 PM
^^ I believe there are two types of allocations, from my understanding. It's like a half allocation and full allocation. Probably like $150k and $300k.

graeme117
08-14-2008, 12:50 PM
TFC (To Dallas if Ibriham plays more than 10 games in 2009)

Thats a weird one... guess we know how many games he's playing next season

TFC 420
08-14-2008, 12:57 PM
TFC also traded their 4th round this year to LA for Harmse

Shaughno
08-14-2008, 12:57 PM
Thats a weird one... guess we know how many games he's playing next season


Nah, not really that weird. Basically just future considerations.

S_D
08-14-2008, 01:00 PM
Good point and I knew this was going to come up lol. Am looking to confirm the amounts but a Major Allocation is around 250K to 300K and a Minor Allocation is 1/3 of a Major Allocation. As soon as I can find the articles I will provide the links.

gtaguy
08-14-2008, 01:01 PM
thanks S D

Atleast im getting a clearer picture now .

So as i see it .. We could be getting up to 9 new faces for next season. Unless a trade is executed this year , which we could use a draft pick or an international spot or allocation money ..

S_D
08-14-2008, 01:02 PM
TFC also traded their 4th round this year to LA for Harmse

updated..thanks

graeme117
08-14-2008, 01:08 PM
Nah, not really that weird. Basically just future considerations.

Yeah i just assumed it would be something more concrete, like $ for goals/appearances/% of transfer fee, b/c setting a rather high amount of games (9) - which is a third of the season - for a 17(8) year old, seems like a pretty bizarre deal for fc dallas to make (even for an unsettled player)... not that i'm complaining, but i doubt they'll get anything out of it.

ChrisLav
08-14-2008, 01:08 PM
International Slots

1 San Jose 2008 - 2013 (Huckerby)
1 Revs no info on length (Phelan)



The International slots are already in a stickied thread, http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=3237.

Which says that the international spot acquired in the Phelan deal is though 2010.

S_D
08-14-2008, 01:14 PM
The International slots are already in a stickied thread, http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=3237.

Which says that the international spot acquired in the Phelan deal is though 2010.

thanks..updated

I also added a link at the top of the page to the roster thread as it is a great resource to combine all of the crazy MLS roster rules for TFC lol.

Lucky Strike
08-14-2008, 02:24 PM
Good work SD, very informative!

S_D
08-15-2008, 03:57 PM
Added allocation $ to Revs for allocation order swap to sign Johann Smith. I have not added Edu sale since it isn't official (yet)

gus
08-17-2008, 11:55 AM
TFC agrees to sell Edu to Rangers; MLS brokers the transfer.
What exactly did TFC recieve?
What exactly did MLS receive?

Anyone know?

S_D
08-18-2008, 06:04 PM
The deal isn't done yet. Edu's deal is contingent on him getting a work permit.

If the deal goes through for the reported 5.75 million:

2/3 TFC - 3.8 million

500K as allocation cash to spend on players
3.3 million - club infrastructure

1/3 MLS - 1.9 million

less 10% of the total transfer fee to Edu (575K)
so 1.3 million net to MLS

numbers are rounded

Wooster_TFC
08-19-2008, 07:46 AM
The deal isn't done yet. Edu's deal is contingent on him getting a work permit.

If the deal goes through for the reported 5.75 million:

2/3 TFC - 3.8 million

500K as allocation cash to spend on players
3.3 million - club infrastructure

1/3 MLS - 1.9 million

less 10% of the total transfer fee to Edu (575K)
so 1.3 million net to MLS

numbers are rounded

I thought that of the 2/3rds TFC got, they could use half on a new player (transfer fees or allocation), with a max of half of that (or 500k) for allocation.

So, in our case of the 3.8 million we could essentially do the following:

0 - 500k on allocation
0 - 1.9 million (-allocation) on transfer fees

Do you happen to know what happens to the "half" that is assigned to bringing in new players if we don't use it? Does it even have a timeframe where we HAVE to use it.

The interesting part in these whole transfer deals is that the club owners don't actually profit (except for getting their respective chunk of the 1/3rd the MLS takes).

S_D
08-19-2008, 08:36 AM
I thought that of the 2/3rds TFC got, they could use half on a new player (transfer fees or allocation), with a max of half of that (or 500k) for allocation.

So, in our case of the 3.8 million we could essentially do the following:

0 - 500k on allocation
0 - 1.9 million (-allocation) on transfer fees

Do you happen to know what happens to the "half" that is assigned to bringing in new players if we don't use it? Does it even have a timeframe where we HAVE to use it.


The information on the timeframe is a bit murky. I have looked through the MLS site extensively and have not seen one word on expiration of allocation cash. I have seen on BS regarding the Dempsey sale that they thought that some of his allocation cash may have expired but they gave no further information nor provided any links. I am continuing to look for information on all of this and may send a pm to Paul to clear some of this up.

Edit: According to this report at TSN, We have 18 months from the beginning of next season to spend the allocation $$. http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/story/?id=246908&lid=sublink04&lpos=headlines_main


The interesting part in these whole transfer deals is that the club owners don't actually profit (except for getting their respective chunk of the 1/3rd the MLS takes).

I guess all of the owners get a chunk of whatever MLS profits at the end of the year, which 1/3 from the Edu sale (less 10%) contributes to.

The MLS holds the club allocation cash in trust and releases it to the club as needed so it just can't be pocketed by the owners....it has to be reinvested.

Here is the catch though: I asked in the forums and nobody was able to give me an answer on this. Does the allocation money to be spent on infrastructure have to be above and beyond what is being spent now, or can they use it to replace existing spending? If they can use it to replace existing spending, the owners CAN pocket the money that they would have otherwise spent themselves. So for instance, say the academy is costing $1 million to operate. Currently it is coming out of TFC revenue. Say they decide to spend $1 million out of their allocation cash on the academy next season, that $1 million that was coming out of TFC revenues is no longer being spent and will go straight to the bottom line (aka teachers pension fund lol)

ChrisLav
08-21-2008, 07:01 PM
Ruiz Trade: Toronto FC announced Thursday that they have acquired forward Carlos Ruiz from the L.A. Galaxy in exchange for a first-round pick and a second-round pick in the 2009 MLS Supplemental Draft and salary budget considerations

I'm just going to guess and say it will be the middle first rounder one when we get to draft time, like the Cunningham/Esky deal last year.

And an undetermined salary budget / allocation amount is gone as well.

http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20080820&content_id=181656&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280

S_D
08-21-2008, 08:07 PM
Ruiz Trade: Toronto FC announced Thursday that they have acquired forward Carlos Ruiz from the L.A. Galaxy in exchange for a first-round pick and a second-round pick in the 2009 MLS Supplemental Draft and salary budget considerations

I'm just going to guess and say it will be the middle first rounder one when we get to draft time, like the Cunningham/Esky deal last year.

And an undetermined salary budget / allocation amount is gone as well.

http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20080820&content_id=181656&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280

already updated...they are supplemental picks so they are 5th and 6th round picks...don't mean much as Mo passed on picking any supplementals last season lol not sure what the galaxy will do..perhaps looking for cheap filler

S_D
08-22-2008, 12:03 PM
Edu work permit granted, sale finalized
Source:
http://web.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20080822&content_id=182373&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280

S_D
09-05-2008, 05:44 PM
Barrett re-signed for another 4 years. TFC had conditional allocation $$ as part of the deal if Barrett didn't re-sign in 2009.

S_D
09-12-2008, 03:41 PM
Just updated to include the Freeman deal. Since the deal included a conditional superdraft pick from 2011, I addded the 2011 round into the list.

Source:
http://web.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20080912&content_id=187406&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280

Ossington Mental Youth
10-16-2008, 12:47 AM
anyone want to do a list of what the draft will look like with current standings?
Ive been looking at the one in Big Soccer and its wrong as they are clueless as ever, they keep overlooking the fact that we have 3 draft picks

S_D
10-26-2008, 08:37 PM
there is a guy who has done one. I will try and dig it up. If not I will do one, but keeping track of all of the trades is going to be insane :)

Nuvinho
10-26-2008, 10:35 PM
1st round draft order:

http://www.mlsdraft.net/?q=node/21

S_D
12-13-2008, 11:54 AM
Between $125,000 and $150,000 allocation cash to Houston for Dero added to 2008 allocation cash list. 2 rumours - 800K and close to a million left to spend.

S_D
01-30-2009, 10:09 AM
international roster spot added in trade with houston


Toronto FC announced Thursday that they have acquired one international slot for two years (2009, 2010) from the Houston Dynamo and have exchanged allocation rankings giving Houston the No. 3 slot. Toronto now holds the No. 10 allocation ranking.

http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20090129&content_id=214794&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280

Wooster_TFC
01-30-2009, 10:14 AM
If you are looking to list all of the international slots we traded for, you're missing the one we got in the trade for Cancela.

S_D
02-03-2009, 04:52 PM
ok thanks. I will look into it. Must have missed the presser in the MLS site.


Dunnivant traded to LAG for allocation cash. No mention of amount.
http://web.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20090203&content_id=215434&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280

Carter
02-03-2009, 07:20 PM
We gained another international by Dichio getting his permenant residency

S_D
02-10-2009, 02:30 PM
added trade with Seattle for allocation cash for Tyrone Marshall. Amount was not disclosed

http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20090210&content_id=216852&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280

edit: according to Ives, 100K allocation

http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2009/02/seattle-set-to-deal-smith-to-rbny-after-landing-marshall.html

ccopela
02-10-2009, 02:46 PM
just throwing this out there you can probably delete the supplemental draft picks from every year because they don't exist anymore.

S_D
02-10-2009, 02:49 PM
yeah I know. I was going to send mlsntoronto a PM with a few other questions.

Since there are trades on the books involving supplemental picks, just wondering how the teams get compensated.

S_D
02-24-2009, 01:53 PM
Trade with FC Dallas added.

Serioux for TFC natural 2010 first round draft pick + allocation cash.
http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20090224&content_id=219546&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280

I also updated the second round pick going to Dallas for Ibrahim. The Ibrahim trade had conditions (not specified by TFC news release) but according to Buzz Carrick:
http://www.3rddegree.net/2008/06/abdus-ibrahim-traded-to-toronto/



Abdus Ibrahim has been traded to Toronto FC for a conditional draft pick. If Ibrahim plays 10 or more games in 2009, or if he is sold, loaned, or traded, then FCD will receive a 2010 first round pick. If none of the previous conditions are met, then FCD will receive a 2nd round pick.


So the assumption is Ibrahim won't play more than 9 games, won't be traded, loaned or sold. If this isn't the case, Mo is going to have to go out and acquire a first rounder from someone to give to Dallas.

Edit: If anyone sees how much allocation we are sending to Dallas, post it and please include the link.

Wooster_TFC
02-24-2009, 02:01 PM
So confusing. I'm guessing he now CAN'T play more than 9 games, and can't be traded, loaned or sold, that is assuming that the "natural" part was actually in the contract.

Weird.

S_D
02-24-2009, 02:11 PM
I just assume that the 2010 for Ibrahim first rounder wasn't specified as "natural" like it was in Serioux's case. It may partially explain why Mo has so many forwards now too lol

I am sure though that if Ibrahim plays too much or is sold etc, they have an understanding of some sort.

Steve
02-24-2009, 03:28 PM
So confusing. I'm guessing he now CAN'T play more than 9 games, and can't be traded, loaned or sold, that is assuming that the "natural" part was actually in the contract.

Weird.

Well, since both trades were with the same team (FCD) I assume Mo actually specified that in the Serioux trade. In fact, he probably just said "Ok, I'll give you our first round here, and we amend the Ibrahim to be for the 2nd round pick regardless".

What's interesting to me is how Mo has suddenly shown a willingness to trade picks. Last year he collected 3 first round picks and kept them, this year he's already given away our 1st and 2nd round picks. Maybe this is all part of his 5 year plan? (Bring in good youth last year, get into playoffs and rank well this year and build from the pieces we have next year instead of bringing in draft players).

Ossington Mental Youth
02-24-2009, 08:17 PM
its because ideally we have a set team now and we will only use picks for depth as opposed ot using them for starting 11 players

S_D
02-28-2009, 10:25 AM
Trade with Rapids added.

TFC acquire Rapids natural 2010 2nd round pick for the rights to forward Gregory Richardson.

http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20090227&content_id=220279&vkey=news_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280

scotymcb
05-14-2009, 12:12 PM
nice

prizby
05-16-2009, 10:42 AM
2 questions

I have never understood this, but what does allocation money mean?

Can anyone do a breakdown on our salary cap, like how much is used, how much each player is getting.

thanks :)

S_D
05-16-2009, 11:06 AM
Teams get allocation money from the league for meeting certain criteria. Allocation cash is above and beyond salary cap, and can be used to buy down players salaries, contribute towards transfer fees etc.

Last season all teams got an extra 100K in allocation cash, and those teams that missed the playoffs got addition allocation cash too. New franchises also get allocation cash from the league when they are starting up. When teams sell players abroad the money is split between MLS and the team. A portion of the money (max 500K)can be used as allocation, and the balance from the transfer must be used towards club infrastructure.

Allocation cash can be traded for players and or picks. For instance, Tyrone Marshall was sold to Sounders FC for 100K in allocation cash.

As for salaries, I believe someone has kept track of it, but you can also go and see salaries at the MLS player's union website.

rocker
07-02-2009, 12:02 PM
hey... question... would Vitti's loan deal be guaranteed now that it's past July 1?

S_D
07-04-2009, 05:16 PM
hey... question... would Vitti's loan deal be guaranteed now that it's past July 1?

good question and one I don't know the answer to. There are a few pieces that we don't know about, but here is some food for thought:

1) We don't know the terms of the loan agreement.

a) We don't know who is actually paying Vitti. We know that his salary is accounted for against the cap, but is that cash being sent to Independiente as payment for the loan (who is then paying Vitti) or is Vitti getting paid directly by MLS. Not sure on that one, and not sure if it affects whether or not they can cut him, nor if he is part of the player's union which would offer him some protection.

b) We don't know if (as part of the loan agreement), they can ship him back at any time. If they can I would think that the salary wouldn't be guarunteed.

2) Each team can select up to 2 players who do not have guarunteed contracts past July 1st.

The player has to agree to it, but as Ives pointed out in an article a little while ago, the team could hold a hammer over a player's head. Agree to become a non-guarunteed contract after July 1st, or we are going to waive you. I assume something like this could be incorporated into a loan deal.

jabbronies
09-06-2009, 01:13 PM
[quote=S_D;136368]2nd Round
TFC (to Dallas - assuming this due to conditions of Ibrahim trade. See notes below. Expect Ibriham to play less than 10 games in 2009)

Info on Ibrahim Trade from articles in June 2008:
http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20080613&content_id=165466&vkey=pr_t280&fext=.jsp&team=t280

http://www.3rddegree.net/2008/06/abdus-ibrahim-traded-to-toronto/
Abdus Ibrahim has been traded to Toronto FC for a conditional draft pick. If Ibrahim plays 10 or more games in 2009, or if he is sold, loaned, or traded, then FCD will receive a 2010 first round pick. If none of the previous conditions are met, then FCD will receive a 2nd round pick. Ibrahim had a strong spring for FCD and was really starting to show some talent before his sabbatical.

quote]

looks like came to be true, he's only played 6 games so far. i was wondering why they never play him.

Oldtimer
01-11-2010, 09:10 PM
According to GOL TV Football Today 01/07/10, TFC has over $600k in allocation money. Since MLSE owns GOL TV, I guess they would know the true amount.

Listen on the GOL TV section of the TFC TV viewer, 01/07/10 part 1, starting around minute 7:00.

DOMIN8R
01-13-2010, 09:36 PM
According to GOL TV Football Today 01/07/10, TFC has over $600k in allocation money. Since MLSE owns GOL TV, I guess they would know the true amount.

Listen on the GOL TV section of the TFC TV viewer, 01/07/10 part 1, starting around minute 7:00.


I heard the same thing. That's a good number. Question is will any trading or other happen before 2 pm tomorrow.

babone
06-01-2010, 09:15 AM
Can some one explain how it works, and why most people are saying it's really not availbel considering the cap?

babone
06-01-2010, 08:21 PM
why would TFC not take advantage of the 2nd designated player slot

sully
06-01-2010, 09:05 PM
why would TFC not take advantage of the 2nd designated player slot

It costs MLSE money

bgnewf
06-08-2010, 09:30 AM
why would TFC not take advantage of the 2nd designated player slot

And counts against the cap.

One interesting upshot of the recent change to the DP rule is that for example TFC could give DeRo a DP contract for more money and actually free up salary cap space all at the same time.

If DeRo gets DP money only $250,000 of his salary counts against the cap versus $400,000 currently. That frees up some coin to get some cover at fullback or out on the wings, the places IMHO where TFC needs the most help.

reggie
06-08-2010, 09:39 AM
what kind of contracts do USANOV and hscany have?
can they cut them?

Ossington Mental Youth
06-08-2010, 10:06 AM
they are guaranteed for at least two years if i remember correctly.
Who do you propose we'd replace them with?
No they arent superstars but at very least Hscanovic is good off the bench. Usanov has been playing relatively decently as of late.

reggie
06-08-2010, 10:33 AM
they are ok players,but i think its a waste to have 2 import players on the bench..

Ossington Mental Youth
06-08-2010, 10:52 AM
like i said, who are two realistic replacements?
ive got faith in Preki at this moment so im not so worried about replacing them

bgnewf
06-09-2010, 01:29 PM
Anyone willing to hazard a guess on where TFC stands on allocation dollars and salary cap space?

If Preki wanted to sign a striker for example, do we have the dollars to do anything?

Wondering if anyone has anything other than a guestimate.



And super high compliments to Wooster TFC for his thread on the TFC roster. In my eyes it is the definitive one out there in the public.

Wooster_TFC
06-10-2010, 10:41 AM
I just brought the info together, props goes to everyone who provided it.

As for salary cap information, the whole MLS is entirely way too murky to give anything but an educated guess, even when the players association releases the salary info on July 1st.

There are a bunch who have solid educated guesses that show we are near the cap, but not yet at it. There's also the unknown of how much salary is on our cap for Garcia, and how much is on the Earthquakes (there are rumours we are paying as little as 50k for Garcia). I think the best guesses (if I can recall correctly), had us with a couple 100k to play with, and that we could free up more space by making DeRo a DP (although this is likely not going to happen).

The bigger issue is that we don't have any roster spaces available. Our senior team is full, we have 1 open DEV spot, and 2 open homegrown spots. It wouldn't surprise me with the way the team is playing that we only fill the homegrown spots, or maybe only one of them. Someone would have to be traded to open a spot for whoever was coming in, freeing up some salary in the process.

I think Shaugno has the best info on salaries in a spreadsheet, but there were others who were also tracking (if you want to PM someone to bring some attention to the thread).

S_D
06-12-2010, 10:18 AM
I think Shaugno has the best info on salaries in a spreadsheet, but there were others who were also tracking (if you want to PM someone to bring some attention to the thread).

shags can't access RPB from work anymore, they blocked it, so his access is limited. If anyone wants to contact him, drop me a line and I can email him.