Match Day 25 - Impact @ TFC Sunday Aug 20 7:38 pm - OH Baby

[OgtheDim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgs7j4GGeww&ab_channel=Retrontario


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Have at It People

[Red CB Toronto]

With it vs. rival Montreal and during the EX this is actually an in demand ticket. Hopefully after three weeks off the Reds can come back refreshed and take care of things.

[Initial B]

I highly doubt it. I should hate to say that, but I don't.

[Joe Kool]

Might have decent attendance due to CNE but I would never say there was any demand really for this game or any other game this season based on how things are going with TFC. For footy fans there has been the Women's World Cup and now the Euro leagues starting up that all have better soccer than anything we have seen this year. And when TFC craps the bed again on restart I think things won't change that much. Call me Mr Optimism :)

[Bushmancan]

Was thinking of doing a poll again but it is sooo sad (for different reasons), are either of them even in the lineup on Sunday.

[Ultra & Proud]

Was thinking of doing a poll again but it is sooo sad (for different reasons), are either of them even in the lineup on Sunday.
The Italians?

I say no to both but maybe Bernardeschi sitting unused on the bench.

[MikeForbes]

An actually healthy lineup incoming.

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/1691465390331969537?s=20

[jloome]

An actually healthy lineup incoming.

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/1691465390331969537?s=20

That DeRo bit actually excites me. Not sure he's the ideal guy by any stretch, but we clearly need attacker-specific coaching and direction that isn't happening.

[ag futbol]

That DeRo bit actually excites me. Not sure he's the ideal guy by any stretch, but we clearly need attacker-specific coaching and direction that isn't happening.
As a card carrying member of the defenders union I disagree. We all know those who play on the backline make better managers :D

[SenorDingDong]

Don't see Berna in the photo. He on a vape break?

[Ultra & Proud]

That DeRo bit actually excites me. Not sure he's the ideal guy by any stretch, but we clearly need attacker-specific coaching and direction that isn't happening.
If there was ever a call for an offensive specialist coach, we're it.

[jloome]

I know it's completely unrealistic, but I'm sort of praying the new guys click immediately, the midfielders are all healthy, the Italians show and we're actually in this.

Any signs of life would be appreciated.

[613reppingTFC]

I guess Johnson is out 4-6 weeks with a fractured hand at practice yesterday

[Mr. Inbetween]

Oh boy! Of course! This season just gets better and better; just when we had a chance to see if the squad could turn a corner/page, this now happens? AAAAAHHHHH!

This. Is.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRdEg12pjmClpoQt1EKJCGqowXzvVrw_ Vx64A&usqp=CAU

[OgtheDim]

Romero time

[jloome]

Romero time

He looked like a pretty good young keeper in his start.

[SenorDingDong]

Predictions for lineup giving everyone's healthy basically?

I hope for Prince and Cassius to be in the starting 11 and would be disappointed if they are not.

[OgtheDim]

I would suspect Prince would not be in form yet - how much of a preseason did he get?

[jloome]

I would suspect Prince would not be in form yet - how much of a preseason did he get?

His pedigree suggests his fundamentals will be pretty locked in. Even with the timing maybe not perfect yet he'd be more dangerous than anyone else we've got.

[los sonadores]

I think Romero will be okay. He’s young but not inexperienced. Some of his form from the first match he played for us should come though. It would not be shocking if he’s not far off Johnson. And he certainly has more to prove.

[James17930]

So what's the MLS record for most consecutive games without a goal? Think we can top it?

[OgtheDim]

His pedigree suggests his fundamentals will be pretty locked in. ....

Yeh, recent claims of pedigree around us don't seem to cut much mustard

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We have issues that remain.

Bradley has lost a gear and can not close.

Kobe Franklin has been overused and is making mistakes because of that.

Brandon Servania is a few years away from being a decent shuttler - he is not a RB.

Mabika gave up on this team just 3 weeks ago - maybe overuse & mental fatigue but that was unprofessional.

Rosted is McNaughton without the hair - needs a Zimmerman or Hedges to make him useful.

O'Neill is a back up and a brain fart away from an issue.

Dunfield coaches this team to have too much space between the midfield & defence - like he is relying upon individual speed to cover that ground - i.e. he's still coaching U15's.

Berna is a selfish guy who can't figure out how to play in this league - he doesn't fit this team.

Oso isn't a LM so that limits formations.

Petretta is not quick enough for MLS wing defence.

Who knows what VV will bring.

The only 2 guys I would trust to start and work hard are Coello who is a DLPM so really a Bradley replacement for his passing & Ibarra, who is a true DM so a replacement for Bradley's DM.


Montreal is organized with a free moving attack force who are crappy at finishing - they are going to slice through this defence enough times to get 3 goals.

[djking2]

So what's the MLS record for most consecutive games without a goal? Think we can top it?

Maybe they could give out seat cushions as a point of inspiration.

worked before

[Valdal]

He looked like a pretty good young keeper in his start.

Im so excited for him. I am a huge goalkeeper guy and seeing him that 1 start was enough for me. Kid has a quick latteral. Constant mind on the pitch and very aware of the play

[Valdal]

Yeh, recent claims of pedigree around us don't seem to cut much mustard

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We have issues that remain.

Bradley has lost a gear and can not close.

Kobe Franklin has been overused and is making mistakes because of that.

Brandon Servania is a few years away from being a decent shuttler - he is not a RB.

Mabika gave up on this team just 3 weeks ago - maybe overuse & mental fatigue but that was unprofessional.

Rosted is McNaughton without the hair - needs a Zimmerman or Hedges to make him useful.

O'Neill is a back up and a brain fart away from an issue.

Dunfield coaches this team to have too much space between the midfield & defence - like he is relying upon individual speed to cover that ground - i.e. he's still coaching U15's.

Berna is a selfish guy who can't figure out how to play in this league - he doesn't fit this team.

Oso isn't a LM so that limits formations.

Petretta is not quick enough for MLS wing defence.

Who knows what VV will bring.

The only 2 guys I would trust to start and work hard are Coello who is a DLPM so really a Bradley replacement for his passing & Ibarra, who is a true DM so a replacement for Bradley's DM.


Montreal is organized with a free moving attack force who are crappy at finishing - they are going to slice through this defence enough times to get 3 goals.

Take a fucking bow man! All of these are so spot on

[tfcfans]

Yeh, recent claims of pedigree around us don't seem to cut much mustard

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We have issues that remain.

Bradley has lost a gear and can not close.

Kobe Franklin has been overused and is making mistakes because of that.

Brandon Servania is a few years away from being a decent shuttler - he is not a RB.

Mabika gave up on this team just 3 weeks ago - maybe overuse & mental fatigue but that was unprofessional.

Rosted is McNaughton without the hair - needs a Zimmerman or Hedges to make him useful.

O'Neill is a back up and a brain fart away from an issue.

Dunfield coaches this team to have too much space between the midfield & defence - like he is relying upon individual speed to cover that ground - i.e. he's still coaching U15's.

Berna is a selfish guy who can't figure out how to play in this league - he doesn't fit this team.

Oso isn't a LM so that limits formations.

Petretta is not quick enough for MLS wing defence.

Who knows what VV will bring.

The only 2 guys I would trust to start and work hard are Coello who is a DLPM so really a Bradley replacement for his passing & Ibarra, who is a true DM so a replacement for Bradley's DM.


Montreal is organized with a free moving attack force who are crappy at finishing - they are going to slice through this defence enough times to get 3 goals.


I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read this.....that's how low we have sunk......

Thank goodness for the EX as someone actually bought my tickets for this game (a rare occurrence this year). Anyone looking for any other games, please let me know as they are all listed on the ticket trader....(my only way of getting any money back on my wasted tickets this year has been to mainly bet against TFC over and over again....don't see any reason to change that strategy for Sunday's game -- LOL)

[jloome]

You know, if we're going to try and get Fede productive, his most productive time as a wide player was as a true left winger at Fiorentina, both for goals per game and assists.

I'd be interested in seeing how we'd do in a 4-2-3-1 but with Insigne in the hole and Mailula playing wide right (where he played most of the time at Sundowns).

--------------Romero--------------
Servania--Rosted-Mabika--Petretta

------------Blessing-Ibarra--

---Mailula------Insigne------Bernardeschi

----------------Owusu


The reasoning being that Owusu is a big, 6'3 forward who's good in the air, and Fede has performed better in t he past when forced to maintain a winger's responsibilities. Plus, we saw him deliver two very dangerous balls from that side in Dunfield's first game, there was just no one in the box.

On top of that, Mailula has scored most of his goals from the right (although I believe his multi-goal game last year was central).

[ensco]

^ So - looking at the 2016- and 2017 Fiorentina roster… what you are saying is, we need to go get Chiesa and Mario Gomez to play beside him, and Marcos Alonso to play behind him … ;-)

[SenorDingDong]

You know, if we're going to try and get Fede productive, his most productive time as a wide player was as a true left winger at Fiorentina, both for goals per game and assists.

I'd be interested in seeing how we'd do in a 4-2-3-1 but with Insigne in the hole and Mailula playing wide right (where he played most of the time at Sundowns).

--------------Romero--------------
Servania--Rosted-Mabika--Petretta

------------Blessing-Ibarra--

---Mailula------Insigne------Bernardeschi

----------------Owusu


The reasoning being that Owusu is a big, 6'3 forward who's good in the air, and Fede has performed better in t he past when forced to maintain a winger's responsibilities. Plus, we saw him deliver two very dangerous balls from that side in Dunfield's first game, there was just no one in the box.

On top of that, Mailula has scored most of his goals from the right (although I believe his multi-goal game last year was central).

I don't know if Dunfield is that creative but I would try and with a couple changes:

--------------Romero--------------
Blessing--Rosted-Mabika--Petretta

------------Osorio-Ibarra--

---Mailula------Insigne------Bernardeschi

----------------Owusu

[OgtheDim]

Servania is not a RB

Can we stop trying to fit him into that because he played it a few times

He has no awareness of defensive responsibility in that role, he ball watches, he provides nothing going forward and the CB always has to cheat his way slightly.

[Mr. Inbetween]

I don't know if Dunfield is that creative but I would try and with a couple changes:

--------------Romero--------------
Blessing--Rosted-Mabika--Petretta

------------Osorio-Ibarra--

---Mailula------Insigne------Bernardeschi

----------------Owusu

Really like jloomes insight on this formation, though I prefer the exact same tweaks as you have suggested. Unfortunately, I cannot see Dunfield keeping both Osorio and Bradley off the pitch at the start. I agree with jloome that historically Fede has enjoyed more success in areas left-to-centre than right-to-centre. IIUC, the 4-2-3-1 seems to be giving CFMTL issues. In the end, I do not think Terry would even field these set-ups of the formation we seem to want. At best, if he does use the 4-2-3-1, it would most likely be...

------------------Romero-----------------
---Blessing--Rosted-Mabika--Petretta---
-------------Ibarra-----Coello------------
-Bernardeschi--Osorio/Bradley--Insigne-
----------------Mailula/Owusu-----------

I suspect that in the end Dunfield reverts to his tried, tested and true, the 4-4-2...

-----------------TM--------------
---LB/KF---SR/LS---AM---RP---
--FB--FI--JO/MB/BS--LI/JMR—-
-------CM/DK-------PO/CJS-----

[jloome]

Servania is not a RB

Can we stop trying to fit him into that because he played it a few times

He has no awareness of defensive responsibility in that role, he ball watches, he provides nothing going forward and the CB always has to cheat his way slightly.

He was better there in the last match than Franklin. He’s got all sorts of issues but he’s still a better footballer than Kobe at this point.

[OgtheDim]

Toronto FC vs CF Montréal
BMO Field (7:30PM ET)
REF: Joe Dickerson
AR1: Chris Elliott
AR2: Oscar Mitchell-Carvalho
4TH: Renzo Villanueva
VAR: Greg Dopka
AVAR: Mike Kampmeinert


Dickerson is on the FIFA board, fwiw.



https://twitter.com/MLS_PR/status/1692211368634593445


Lloyd Sam tends to call bad stuff straight but Krakauer is.....not good.

[MikeForbes]

Hopefully Romero can show out and prove himself as a viable starter. We as a board tend to overrate new/young players almost every single time.

[Ultra & Proud]

Hopefully Romero can show out and prove himself as a viable starter. We as a board tend to overrate new/young players almost every single time.
This guy is different than our usual bias of all our Canadian prospects already having one foot in a top 5 Euro league before they even get off the bench for TFC. This guy looked alright at LAFC and was pretty good for his national team the last few windows.

[jloome]

This guy is different than our usual bias of all our Canadian prospects already having one foot in a top 5 Euro league before they even get off the bench for TFC. This guy looked alright at LAFC and was pretty good for his national team the last few windows.

Bob gave him a good chunk of a season as starter at LAFC and he did ... okay. He wasn't an obvious starter, too inconsistent and too many small mistakes.

But at his age, that's really normal for a goalkeeper, I think. Very rare that they're so locked in perfect that they go to bigger leagues at his age.

[MikeForbes]

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/1692581011173834761?s=20

[Derko]

Just play with some pride and determination, after all we are plaing against Limpact, ffs, Now is the time for Jonathan Osorio to stand out and be a leader, and our senior players to play with grit and be an example to our young players.
TFC have been a poor excuse and full of excuses all year

[Ultra & Proud]

Just play with some pride and determination, after all we are plaing against Limpact, ffs, Now is the time for Jonathan Osorio to stand out and be a leader, and our senior players to play with grit and be an example to our young players.
TFC have been a poor excuse and full of excuses all year
I think they'll play well and in part because MB is back. Probably will make a difference in overall attitude, not his play directly.

I look forward to the long lost MB out posts Monday from Hala and that other guy.

[SenorDingDong]

Victor just posted on Insta that he loves having Seba in training. Can't be a bad thing to have a winner in MLS influence the other Italians.

[OgtheDim]

Victor just posted on Insta that he loves having Seba in training. Can't be a bad thing to have a winner in MLS influence the other Italians.

Well somebody has to replace Peruzza's leadership...

[613reppingTFC]

I saw it says insigne is questionable despite training all week? Anyone else hear anything on this?

[Ultra & Proud]

I saw it says insigne is questionable despite training all week? Anyone else hear anything on this?

I assume he is permanently questionable until he is sold or the Saudi window closes.

[Mr. Inbetween]

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.4030981244.3948/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.jpg

We can do it! 2-0.

Feelin' Blessed... https://youtu.be/9X2dySD8VRI

:scarf::flare::drum:

[SenorDingDong]

The amount of South Africans following and commenting onnTFC social posts is kind of crazy now.

They love Mailula. Call him "cash no deposit"

[OgtheDim]

Well the weather is nice.....

[ag futbol]

I’ve just woken up and decided we’re winning today. Just a hunch.

This year the difference between Montreal looking respectable and terrible appears to be mostly if Choiniere is available / has a good game. Criminal Herdman hasn’t brought him in yet.

[ensco]

I’ve just woken up and decided we’re scoring today. Just a hunch.

I would take this.

[SenorDingDong]

Prince And Mailua better start. If Dunfield doesn't that's a mistake on his end in my opinion.

[MikeForbes]

A small part of me expects us to actually score today. One of the debuting guys. Speaking of which, any ideas on the lineup? The only guarantee is Michael Bradley starting and playing all 90 minutes.

I'll say

Romero

Servania-O'Neill-Rosted-Petretta

Kerr-Bradley-Ibarra-Oso

Prince-Sapong

[Luanda]

A small part of me expects us to actually score today. One of the debuting guys. Speaking of which, any ideas on the lineup? The only guarantee is Michael Bradley starting and playing all 90 minutes.

I'll say

Romero

Servania-O'Neill-Rosted-Petretta

Kerr-Bradley-Ibarra-Oso

Prince-Sapong

No Italianos, Maluila, Mabika?

[MikeForbes]

No Italianos, Maluila, Mabika?

Cassius didn't get here until last week, so I am assuming he starts on the bench. Insigne is questionable. Bernie is a definite possibility, hopefully he actually showed something in training to warrant his spot. And it doesn't seem like Dunfield particularly rates Mabika. He likes those old school League One "No nonsense" defenders which generally means taller white guys that lack athletism.

[ag futbol]

I’m not going to be shocked if Bradley starts at CB. Because 1) with no SJ and no Hedges it’s basically completely on Ibarra to be the leader out there and keep things tight. 2) it avoids the conundrum of having to sub him. 3) midfield is crowded and our CB position is weak

[MikeForbes]

I’m not going to be shocked if Bradley starts at CB. Because 1) with no SJ and no Hedges it’s basically completely on Ibarra to be the leader out there and keep things tight. 2) it avoids the conundrum of having to sub him. 3) midfield is crowded and our CB position is weak

I was just thinking that myself. Pair Bradley and Mabika together and see what happens.

[jloome]

I’m not going to be shocked if Bradley starts at CB. Because 1) with no SJ and no Hedges it’s basically completely on Ibarra to be the leader out there and keep things tight. 2) it avoids the conundrum of having to sub him. 3) midfield is crowded and our CB position is weak

He’s never been a defensively dominant player, really. He’s a career number eight, although early he played more of an 8/10.

We’ve used him as a six but he’s never been convincing there. I don’t know why we’d want him in the backline. Richie could do it because he’s fast as hell.

He’s still best as a shuttler, where the ground coverage is less essential. But we still have to have anchor to protect him if we do that.

[OgtheDim]

Well in theory Ibarra can be an anchor but that would require Dunfield to be a better coach & the complete obliteration of years of TFC passing muscle memory.

[MikeForbes]

Well in theory Ibarra can be an anchor but that would require Dunfield to be a better coach & the complete obliteration of years of TFC passing muscle memory.

Michael will literally fight Ibarra to see who can drop back the furthest to start every attack.

[SenorDingDong]

If Insigne is still Injured I play this as my starting. If the new guys can play in the second half they arr good enough to start. Get the nerves out early and avoid being subbed into a situation where we are down a goal or something.

--------------Romero--------------
Servania--Rosted-Mabika--Petretta

------------Bradley-Ibarra--

---Mailula------Osorio------Bernardeschi

----------------Owusu

[jloome]

If Insigne is still Injured I play this as my starting. If the new guys can play in the second half they arr good enough to start. Get the nerves out early and avoid being subbed into a situation where we are down a goal or something.

--------------Romero--------------
Servania--Rosted-Mabika--Petretta

------------Bradley-Ibarra--

---Mailula------Osorio------Bernardeschi

----------------Owusu

Yeah, this works.

[ag futbol]

He’s never been a defensively dominant player, really. He’s a career number eight, although early he played more of an 8/10.

We’ve used him as a six but he’s never been convincing there. I don’t know why we’d want him in the backline. Richie could do it because he’s fast as hell.

He’s still best as a shuttler, where the ground coverage is less essential. But we still have to have anchor to protect him if we do that.
I just think the backline is weak, inexperienced, and lacks leadership in its current form. Fully acknowledge MB’s not perfect and won’t convert as well as Laryea did. Stop gap for this game? Absolutely. As a longer term convert? No.

I think he just needs to retire. Not sure 8 vs 6 makes any difference in terms of his usefulness. Lack of pace will still bite him there, his passing range looks a bit limiting in todays game, and threatening goal is usually an exception rather than a rule. Teams are still going to target him on corners.

Honestly, I’d have preferred if we just brought him back to wave to the crowd and say goodbye.

[OgtheDim]

Michael will literally fight Ibarra to see who can drop back the furthest to start every attack.

Bradley starting attacks from the Food building like he was redoing that old commercial with Bird & Michael Jordan.

[Initial B]

I hope that FCM don't score an early goal. I get the feeling if that happens the team will just... implode due to a fragile mentality.

[MikeForbes]

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1693394522368074217?s=20 4-3-3?

[MikeForbes]

Must say, the depth of the team has improved massively.

[mowe]

Have to say, really glad to have Bradley back.

Now about scoring a goal…

[ag futbol]

Must say, the depth of the team has improved massively.
Agreed. It’s just hard to see it as such when we don’t score / win.

[SenorDingDong]

Don't love that lineup but also don't hate it.

Mailula for JMR the obvious sub. Want Insigne and Vazquez to get at least 30 minutes

No way Bradkey should get 90 min after being out for like 4 months...

[barticusz]

Happy to see Bradley back. A lot of us wanted him to not play every game but if we learned anything it's how poor our depth was and how much we lacked leadership. Here's hoping we can see a positive result tonight!

[MikeForbes]

Michael Bradley playing the deepest of the midfielders so far.

[OgtheDim]

Hmm...Prince telling the group "somebody has to back post" - almost like they don't practice corners.

[MikeForbes]

Back to the Michael Bradley on set pieces days. Surely Petretta, Bernie or Servania can do better

[MikeForbes]

And yeah.

[ag futbol]

So Mtl takes a flyer on a random youth player, he comes in and takes a better crack at goal than any TFC striker we’ve seen in 6 months. Long day…

[barticusz]

Imagine having a 20 year old Canadian stirker who can shoot, a 24 year old left midfielder who can play anywhere on the field and a 19 year old stud who's silky smooth. Montreal is really doing something right with their Canadian academy kids.

[OgtheDim]

Yup...defence still suks

O'Neill letting a guy get behind him after biting towards him on a free kick?!?!

Shot taken & you let an opponent get past you to that rebound?!?!?!?

Positional awareness and responsibility awareness

Those mistakes are easy to address if

a) you use film

b) you actually coach during training

[barticusz]

Yup...defence still suks

O'Neill letting a guy get behind him after biting towards him on a free kick?!?!

Shot taken & you let an opponent get past you to that rebound?!?!?!?

Positional awareness and responsibility awareness

Those mistakes are easy to address if

a) you use film

b) you actually coach during training

No worries, we'll bring in Pinball and DeRo and everything will be fine.

[barticusz]

That's all on Romero there. Jesus.

[MikeForbes]

Get Dunfield back to coaching the u-8s.

[ag futbol]

No worries, we'll bring in Pinball and DeRo and everything will be fine.

I think the first coach we should get is the guy who knows how to pass the ball to the striker.

Service on this team is atrocious

[MikeForbes]

Also, Bernardeschi can take a hike. Zero effort yet again.

[OgtheDim]

Mabika, you HAVE to beat your man to that ball - your main responsibility is that man, not the pass to that man.

Again...film...coach this situation during training.

Geez....

[jloome]

That's all on Romero there. Jesus.

This is miserable so far.

It's like they've learned very little with all that time off.

The pressing has been better but the defence... man, Shane O'Neill is just a bad defender. Bad. We almost gave up a goal because he didn't even think to get inside his man when JOGGING back to his position pending a throw.

Just too disjointed, too direct. We have no shape, and we don't use the pitch well.

So depressing.

If nothing else this should put the boots to any notion of Terry having an imminent management career.

[MikeForbes]

Making Montreal look like 2011 Barcelona.

[Richard]

This club needs to be relegated to the CPL.

[ag futbol]

We should steal Mtl’s sporting director. They sold everything last year and they are battling for a playoff spot this year and have a team with upside.

We spent 3x as much and have jack shit to show for it.

[jloome]

What the fuck is WRONG with them? Two players are trapped along the sideline and NOBODY is going over to support.

[ag futbol]

This is miserable so far.

It's like they've learned very little with all that time off.

Speaks to how bad the coaching is. You can at least me hard to break down if you aren’t skillful enough to play beautiful football

[Richard]

Nobody at this organization knows anything about soccer, everyone should be fired and go coach a Timbits soccer team or something.

[jloome]

Mabika looks lost. Like, he's panicky, he's so lost. Should get him off at the half. O'Neill just looks like he was cursed by a Stephen King character or something. "Lamer!", with a wave of her hand.

[barticusz]

Bernadeschi out there getting owned by two young Canadian kids, who somehow haven't gotten a sniff with the national team. Meanwhile Oso is out there doing f' all.

[MikeForbes]

We are getting worked in every single part of the field by a very mediocre team.

[barticusz]

Sadly, the best Canadian striker we've seen all year at BMO is down with an injury.

[ag futbol]

You know what the best part of this is? With Dunfield being our stud academy coach we can be assured our next crop of youth players will be as hapless, tactically naive, and worthless as this version of the first team.

[jloome]

God we move the ball so slowly.

[MikeForbes]

You know what the best part of this is? With Dunfield being our stud academy coach we can be assured our next crop of youth players will be as hapless, tactically naive, and worthless as this version of the first team.

Is he the stud coach from the academy or is he the Bill Manning "oh my God, he played for TFC AND played for the CMNT?! The season ticket holders will love it!" guy?

[OgtheDim]

To be fair to Berna, he got kicked in that sequence before he fouled back.

[jloome]

JMR really should be at TFC II. His basic passing is sloppy, all the time.

[wopchop]

JMR really should be at TFC II. His basic passing is sloppy, all the time.
For a supposed hot prospect, his vision is nothing special.

[barticusz]

You know what the best part of this is? With Dunfield being our stud academy coach we can be assured our next crop of youth players will be as hapless, tactically naive, and worthless as this version of the first team.

This is incredibly depressing. They've ruined an entire generation of talent.

[OgtheDim]

We are getting worked in every single part of the field by a very mediocre team.

Montreal is not mediocre. They are positionally disciplined. Currently above the playoff line.

[Loyal]

O'Neill is getting destroyed - he is so slow - they are running everything through him

When you finally field a half decent line up and look like this......the culture is BROKEN

[ag futbol]

This is incredibly depressing. They've ruined an entire generation of talent.
That’s assuming we could even identify them in the first place. Look at Vilsant, look at Saliba… now look at JMR. Dude isn’t physically ready to play in MLS. “Blue chip prospect”

[jloome]

WE don't even play with energy. A throw in, in their end, and no one is hustling to get over there to receive the ball. No one is near.

[ag futbol]

Montreal is not mediocre. They are positionally disciplined. Currently above the playoff line.
I mean, I’d you look at the MLS table they are the definition of mediocre. Lower mid table, it just so happens in this wacky league that’s right on the playoff bubble. Also, they somehow get there by being exceptional at home and terrible on the road.

[ag futbol]

WE don't even play with energy. A throw in, in their end, and no one is hustling to get over there to receive the ball. No one is near.
Team struggles to make forward passes. Guys struggle to have the confidence to fit one in between the lines. Everything is backwards / sideways.

[wopchop]

Also, Bernardeschi can take a hike. Zero effort yet again.
Huh? Can't say I agree. He hasn't been brilliant by any means but he seems to be working pretty hard down the sidelines. I have actually been surprised - I was expecting complete I don't give a fuck mode.

[MikeForbes]

Montreal is not mediocre. They are positionally disciplined. Currently above the playoff line.

You are right. They have been an above average squad on a shoestring budget.

[OgtheDim]

Ibarra is decent tonight.... as is Servania.

[jloome]

That give and go failed because Oso's ball back was shit.

There's no care in the small details. No shape, no care in the details, no patterns of play, no support for each other. No heads on swivels, no one talking to one another.

Fucking dreadful.

We can't get a new manager fast enough, at this point. I don't know if I can take nine more games of this.

And sign a fucking free agent central defender, for the love of God. There must be ONE out there we can afford.

[ag futbol]

VkhQZNHcxmE

[MikeForbes]

0.06 XG. Get Cassius and Insigne on.

[ag futbol]

Kilbane puts sword to Bradley again and basically writes off Dunfield too, lol

Edit: DeGuzman says JMR overhyped. Praises Saliba.

[Richard]

Somehow the bookies had us favorite's to win this game. :smilielol5:

Like who are all these people betting on a TFC win? Jeez! Just bet on us loosing and you're making bank.

[OgtheDim]

Didn't buy the prevailing punditry that this team would be better once Bradley returns.

Not sure its worse because he is out there either but he was never going to fix things with his presence alone.

[Richard]

Kilbane puts sword to Bradley again and basically writes off Dunfield too, lol

He should just write of the whole org and MLSE. At this point I don't trust the ball boys to even do their job at this club.

[MikeForbes]

Kilbane puts sword to Bradley again and basically writes off Dunfield too, lol

Edit: DeGuzman says JMR overhyped. Praises Saliba.

TSN taking no prisoners this year after the Apple TV contract.

[OgtheDim]

Kilbane puts sword to Bradley again and basically writes off Dunfield too, lol

Edit: DeGuzman says JMR overhyped. Praises Saliba.

I take it that was Michael not Bob?

[ag futbol]

I take it that was Michael not Bob?
Yep. Said Duke has shaded him the whole half and basically ran circles around him. He’s not wrong.

I just think you have to point to management at this point. Micro analysis of players, situations, etc… that’s just getting stuck in the weeds.

[MikeForbes]

Bradley and Ibarra off? I assume Coello and Servania shift into those spots.

[OgtheDim]

I didn't think Ibarra was the problem but oh well....

[FiveThreeTwo]

We’ve had a series of small opportunities for bumps in positivity- times where players or coaches could attempt try and bury the past, hit the restart button in mindset. BB departing. Ibarra helping bring up midfield. Getting 3 weeks of training time to disengage and relax after the leagues cup. Signing Prince and Cassius. Getting a flurry of guys like MB4 and Vazquez back to boost depth.

All of these could be morale booster trigger points where a club could go from feeling dumpy - to chaining some positive passes, positive movements - bang in a garbage goal and start building back on some basics.

We’ve apparently pissed away all of these lol. through all of these points, existing players just don’t give an ounce of fucks to shed those negative vibes and form, for a new fresh start and mindset. A new ambitious coach coming in- looking to demand excellence, pride for self, for badge and their supporters - and total professionalism in all daily things - is gonna see all these wasted chances to grab fate and twist it around, with sub par defending and attacking, body language and not caring about losing.

There’s no way the new coach doesn’t go and slowly shuffle out most these players who have been here longer than a year, to opt for people who aren’t tarred with a losing mentality and shit form. At this point we’re gonna have to rip this band off - even if there’s some guys we want to see stick around and retire as legends.

[MikeForbes]

I didn't think Ibarra was the problem but oh well....

Ibarra will be that guy playing for Sevilla in 5 years that we will all go "remember when he played for TFC?!".

[MikeForbes]

Also, who decided to make Petretta the highest paid LB in MLS?

[OgtheDim]

Prince & Oso both yelling at Coello & Servania about covering players vs. ball watching.

[ag futbol]

What is JMR doing? Attack the post with a run!’

[jloome]

JMR with the KEEN vision there... He's crossing from the top corner of the box to the middle and the defense pulls left early, leaving a clear lane to Owusu and through to goal.

Does he see it? Like fuck he does.

[barticusz]

Someone go into the Football Manager settings and switch to "Shoot on Sight".

The "Walk the Ball into the Net" tactic is not working.

[Mister Karpf]

Is Cassius not warming up with the rest of the subs?

[wopchop]

Prince & Oso both yelling at Coello & Servania about covering players vs. ball watching.
Servania has been doing this all game. He lost his man on the first goal

[OgtheDim]

Count the amount of times the ball progresses within 10 yards of the top of their box & then ends up going back to the defenders - well over 80% of the time.

[MikeForbes]

We need a Cassius sighting and a goal.

[FiveThreeTwo]

I also wanna add that Terry is a moron if he subs off prince the same time as insigne comes on for fn’ sapong.

Why don’t you let your new striker see how he can play with two full DPs instead of bringing on a guy whose basically shot anyways at this level

[ag futbol]

Maybe I’m crazy but I might like our best setup man to play with our “best” striker?

[wopchop]

I also wanna add that Terry is a moron if he subs off prince the same time as insigne comes on for fn’ sapong.

Why don’t you let your new striker see how he can play with two full DPs instead of bringing on a guy whose basically shot anyways at this level
Totally agree

[barticusz]

I also wanna add that Terry is a moron if he subs off prince the same time as insigne comes on for fn’ sapong.

Why don’t you let your new striker see how he can play with two full DPs instead of bringing on a guy whose basically shot anyways at this level

I'm dying. Why would you put on Sapong. Dear god.

[MikeForbes]

So, who is the last sub? Victor or Cassius?

[FiveThreeTwo]

GOOOOAAALAZO. First goal since June 24th. Plan the parade boys!

[MikeForbes]

A goal!!!!!

[samuraizero]

Amazing what happens when you actually take a shot on net

[wopchop]

Fucking finally, nice.

Please let that motivate you.

[MikeForbes]

And it is a banger.

[ag futbol]

Finally, something to cheer for.

[barticusz]

Shoot on sight - setting enabled!

[noxx98]

Oh my

[MikeForbes]

Insigne has changed this game.

[MikeForbes]

Petretta sucks, but that is all on Mabika.

[ag futbol]

It’s the hope that kills you

[barticusz]

Good night all!

[wopchop]

Fuck sake

[jloome]

And there it goes. Ten minutes of decent play, they add one man to the midfield, we take our foot off the gas....

And then Petretta does that. Stupid, stupid play. At least give your keeper a chance to make the play.

[OgtheDim]

WTF was that from Mabika?

[MikeForbes]

Also, that guy can't buy a CMNT appearance because or Liam Fraser.

[OgtheDim]

Also, that guy can't buy a CMNT appearance because or Liam Fraser.


Another reason why I'm not sold on Herdman for TFC - he has favourites that make no sense based on data.

[ag futbol]

WTF was that from Mabika?
Yeah, I’m starting to think Mabika is a Doniel Henry style disaster artist. He just takes a few games off in between massive screw ups

[jloome]

Coello and Insigne were both making a huge difference before that.

[MikeForbes]

Nostalgia FC bringing in Victor Vazquez over Cassius Mailula.

[SoccMan2]

O’Neil , Mabika and Rosted have to go are all useless but of course they will go to another MLS team and shine lol . However, they are just pylons , 9 more games with these 3 unfortunately.

[MikeForbes]

Another reason why I'm not sold on Herdman for TFC - he has favourites that make no sense based on data.

Charles-Andreas Brym will be our starting 9 next year if Herdman has his way.

[samuraizero]

Need to get rid of Manning, I'd think many seasons of this garbage would be enough

[jloome]

LOL, what is Sapong even doing there? He's dancing around as Insigne is at the goalline, not attacking either post. He just doesn't react in time.

[OgtheDim]

Yeah, I’m starting to think Mabika is a Doniel Henry style disaster artist. He just takes a few games off in between massive screw ups

I think, like Henry, Mabika has played too much when too young and not good enough to keep his attention span.

[jloome]

Charles-Andreas Brym will be our starting 9 next year if Herdman has his way.

Scored two today in Holland.

[ag futbol]

We need another, younger VV. Someone who can actually get guys the ball in advanced positions.

He’s still great to watch. Incredibly calm on the ball.

[MikeForbes]

Are you watching Saudi princes?!

[OgtheDim]

Berna when in space is good...


he's never in space

[noxx98]

Berna highlight reel to show potential buyers…

[FiveThreeTwo]

No idea why he (berna) can’t just go up top and stay in the middle and just shoot on sight whenever he’s around the box. Being adamant on playing wide and trying to cut inside Robben style just isn’t going to work anymore for him.

Dunfields salty look despite putting on late game pressure and possibly tying it is an odd look as well lol

[ag futbol]

Honestly I’m probably warped and diluted but that actually gave me some hope. We need a real manager, GM, president etc…

Maybe the Italians can be salvaged but it won’t be with Bill up top.

[Super]

Bernadeschi was excellent. Insigne helped to ignite the team a bit. I think it's pretty clear that this team would be much better and even competitive if we added a DP striker. That was our error: not getting a quality striker. It's sad we had to blow the year that way, but it's a lesson learned.

[MikeForbes]

No idea why he (berna) can’t just go up top and stay in the middle and just shoot on sight whenever he’s around the box. Going wide and trying to cut inside Robben style just isn’t going to work anymore for him.

Dunfields salty look despite putting on late game pressure and possibly tying it is an odd look as well lol

He's probably been told already a new manager is incoming.

[mowe]

Two goals scored means we exceeded expectations in my book.

We are nowhere close to getting consistent results.

[OgtheDim]

The defence and the midfield defensively apart from Ibarra (who could do with some clarity from a coach who knows what that actually means when it comes to positional play)....the defence badly needs work.

[barticusz]

Berna when in space is good...

Even outside of the goals, Berna was great today. Lots of energy and constantly getting into good spots out on the right. If Oso and Servania could connect more passes with him earlier that would have helped.

Terry lost this one for himself though. What kind of idiot brings on Sapong when you can already see that Prince has a better touch and movement.

We continue to need multiple CB's.

[OgtheDim]

...
Dunfields salty look despite putting on late game pressure and possibly tying it is an odd look as well lol


Yeh, that look after the second goal was an indication of something other then pleasure. Almost like he was realising he would need to discuss Berna now in the post game and was working on what he was going to say.

[ag futbol]

Bernadeschi was excellent. Insigne helped to ignite the team a bit. I think it's pretty clear that this team would be much better and even competitive if we added a DP striker. That was our error: not getting a quality striker. It's sad we had to blow the year that way, but it's a lesson learned.
We need a way to advance the ball without our front three always dropping back. By the time Coello and VV got a crack at it, we finally (finally) had enough passing power to get the ball into the right positions. That seemed to help Osorio too.

I feel good for Berna. He really bottomed out for a while there good to see him bounce bit even if he’s not long with TFC.

[barticusz]

No idea why he (berna) can’t just go up top and stay in the middle and just shoot on sight whenever he’s around the box. Being adamant on playing wide and trying to cut inside Robben style just isn’t going to work anymore for him.

Dunfields salty look despite putting on late game pressure and possibly tying it is an odd look as well lol

With a proper forward it will 100% work. We've had garbage forwards all year that can't even run the channels to pull a defender. Prince, looked like he at least has some touch and I liked his effort. He'll need time with both of them. What we're missing though is a true 10 who can open the field in multiple ways. We have no threat down the middle which means we rely on the outside in runs and those are easier to defend as there are less options of what to do when you're coming down the sideline.

[OgtheDim]

...What we're missing though is a true 10 who can open the field in multiple ways. We have no threat down the middle which means we rely on the outside in runs and those are easier to defend as there are less options of what to do when you're coming down the sideline.

Nobody...NOBODY...is running the inside channels. Some middle stuff but there is no midfield attacking threat - that used to be Oso and I have no clue what is stopping him from being that again. Take a look at our attacking stats - its all wide play.

[MikeForbes]

If Dunfield is still in charge and wants to shake things up, he'll start next week with the guys who finished the game tonight (minus Sapong).

[portu]

This stint has ruined Dunfield’s legacy for me…

never doubt Fede

[FiveThreeTwo]

My personal view is I hope we seriously start a blank slate with all new staff, only a core of players because of contracts, and start anew.

There’s a difference between building a positive feedback loop by keeping people in your organization because of their Technical, leadership and winning examples so they can pass down the standard - vs. simply keeping guys around cause they are your history, and we’re supposed to keep and look after our own.

Nah - if they don’t cut, then out. If Bayern can take a decade to groom their ex goat of a GK into their CEO (Kahn), then turf him based on not holding to the standard and make trash decisions only hampering the club in a relatively short period - we can do the same thing with every single person who’s not holding to a standard we expect- regardless of how badly they bleed our kit colours. We can build those feedback loops in future players and staff. Terry is one of em to go after the change.

[OgtheDim]

Those two goals were based on individual brilliance.

Our defeats are based on systemic ineptitude.

I am finding it hard to believe that these guys practice in any way other then "just through out the ball and have some fun".

[Prof]

O’Neil , Mabika and Rosted have to go are all useless but of course they will go to another MLS team and shine lol . However, they are just pylons , 9 more games with these 3 unfortunately.
The young 16 year old has been our best centre back this year.

[los sonadores]

After reading the comments here I can’t bring myself to watch the match. My great hope was that Hedges would get healthy and we’d have a chance.

Starting 11 was poor but if we add in a few guys to that who were on the bench we should have an eleven that can win games. We’d need a proper manager though.

Actually, maybe I’ll watch the last how many minutes VV had. I think he could still be a kick to watch despite his age. You can’t take that kind of skill and attitude away from him. And he should be good in training and in moments on the pitch. I can believe that he is good to have in training… who wants to look bad in front of this deeply skilled veteran?

[OgtheDim]

VV is....slow. His mind is there and his passing will be good but he needs runners in front of him. But he also came back and attempted to take up space defensively, which is more then I can say for JMR.

[Ultra & Proud]

VV is....slow. His mind is there and his passing will be good but he needs runners in front of him. But he also came back and attempted to take up space defensively, which is more then I can say for JMR.
When I see JMR in the starting XI then I know we're not serious about winning.

[SenorDingDong]

VV is....slow. His mind is there and his passing will be good but he needs runners in front of him. But he also came back and attempted to take up space defensively, which is more then I can say for JMR.

Dunfield needs to have some balls in his selections.

JMR shouldn't see another start. Guys like Bradley and Osorio shouldn't be automatics just cause of there name.

I'm happy for Berna, I truly thought he might have been totally lost. Insigne played excellent too.

But like if I'm dunfield and I'm seeing what works here's the lineup. Cassius the only unknown but he's more then deserving of the chance.

‐-----------Prince‐--------
Insigne - Berna - Mailula
------Ibarra- Coello‐-----

Defense won't even write just pylons anyway.

[rydermike]

Didn't watch the match, just saw the highlights now.
How was Romero overall?

Good to see Bernadeschi take a shot (and score) with his right foot.
How was Bradley? Same old of playing behind the CBs?

[Ultra & Proud]

Didn't watch the match, just saw the highlights now.
How was Romero overall?

Good to see Bernadeschi take a shot (and score) with his right foot.
How was Bradley? Same old of playing behind the CBs?
Romero looked rusty. Not 100% assured out there.

As for Bradley; time to hang 'em up. The writing is on the wall.

[Mr. Inbetween]

VV is....slow. His mind is there and his passing will be good but he needs runners in front of him. But he also came back and attempted to take up space defensively, which is more then I can say for JMR.


When I see JMR in the starting XI then I know we're not serious about winning.

Was at the match. Got home and reviewed end of match footage. I noticed live that Lollo had left the pitch after full time upset; confirmed. I will take it as a good sign for now and as being more than expected after such a loss; as being at least engaged or committed. BTW, I thought I saw VV as well immediately leave the pitch upset. I was not able to confirm by any footage and am probably wrong but he seemed more angry than upset. He seemed to walk right past someone, apparently brushing him aside or ignoring, who than chased after him towards the tunnel trying to continue to engage. It appeared to me to be someone who resembled Jason Hernandez. Did anyone else perhaps notice this?

[wopchop]

After reading the comments here I can’t bring myself to watch the match. My great hope was that Hedges would get healthy and we’d have a chance.
Hedges is gone.

[SenorDingDong]

The old guard all need to be on the exit list this off season Osorio excluded as we won't be able too).

And Hernandez needs to have his starting XI be people that will actually be here.

Gone:
JMR to TFC2
Bradley retires
Oneill
Mabika
Sapong
Akinola
Diomande

[ag futbol]

Didn't watch the match, just saw the highlights now.
How was Romero overall?

Good to see Bernadeschi take a shot (and score) with his right foot.
How was Bradley? Same old of playing behind the CBs?
He looked a bit shakey and inexperienced at times. Overall okay, but I don’t think anyone should be ready to start him over SJ just yet.

[leedsandTFC]

main goal needs to be to keep insigne healthy.

we're just a completely different team with him on the pitch.

we didn't look remotely like scoring before he came on. our goalless streak started basically when he got injured.

[Smokecell]

The old guard all need to be on the exit list this off season Osorio excluded as we won't be able too).


To your point, it's unlikely we find anyone to take Osorio at his age/wage/recent injury history. However, if we can, we need to jump at the opportunity. It's a crime to have him as a DP, and frankly an equally bad use of TAM as well. We need scorched earth here and to get back as many DP/TAM/U22 spots as possible if we want this rebuild to bare any fruit.

[ag futbol]

To your point, it's unlikely we find anyone to take Osorio at his age/wage/recent injury history. However, if we can, we need to jump at the opportunity. It's a crime to have him as a DP, and frankly an equally bad use of TAM as well. We need scorched earth here and to get back as many DP/TAM/U22 spots as possible if we want this rebuild to bare any fruit.
I generally agree. He’s ~50% overpaid in my estimation. But, in the scope of things TFC needs to fix, this is way down the list.

[Ultra & Proud]

To your point, it's unlikely we find anyone to take Osorio at his age/wage/recent injury history. However, if we can, we need to jump at the opportunity. It's a crime to have him as a DP, and frankly an equally bad use of TAM as well. We need scorched earth here and to get back as many DP/TAM/U22 spots as possible if we want this rebuild to bare any fruit.
Good candidate for the buyout. At this rate probably better than even Diomande.

[Mr. Inbetween]

Unfortunately, reports of monkey chant's at the 88th minute at BMOF during Opoku's SW corner. Listened to the MLSASP footage repeatedly; sounds like so. Is anyone in the community from sections 117, 118, 119 & 120 able to offer insight?

[SenorDingDong]

Unfortunately, reports of monkey chant's at the 88th minute at BMOF during Opoku's SW corner. Listened to the MLSASP footage repeatedly; sounds like so. Is anyone in the community from sections 117, 118, 119 & 120 able to offer insight?

Seriously? This shit should not happen at all but especially not in the most multi cultural city on the planet.

[jloome]

main goal needs to be to keep insigne healthy.

we're just a completely different team with him on the pitch.

we didn't look remotely like scoring before he came on. our goalless streak started basically when he got injured.

Coello too. He's our only midfielder who can accurately ping long passes to break up defensive blocks.

It's too easy for teams to shut us down by just reducing space and pressing. As soon as Coello came in, that ended, and they had to add a body to central midfield to try and increase the pressure.

[Hala Hrvatska]

Coello too. He's our only midfielder who can accurately ping long passes to break up defensive blocks.

It's too easy for teams to shut us down by just reducing space and pressing. As soon as Coello came in, that ended, and they had to add a body to central midfield to try and increase the pressure.

yup, Bradley was a pylon out there and should not have started.

I literally couldn't name a Montreal player, and they were carving us apart. We couldn't even get possession for a second the first half...just completely overun.

[Ultra & Proud]

yup, Bradley was a pylon out there and should not have started.

That's on our manager for starting a 36 year old player coming off a 3 month injury lay off and also for not understanding the tactical issues Jloome mentioned above.

Jloome, Dunfield should hire you as a consultant to explain to him how to play football properly.

[ag futbol]

Coello too. He's our only midfielder who can accurately ping long passes to break up defensive blocks.

It's too easy for teams to shut us down by just reducing space and pressing. As soon as Coello came in, that ended, and they had to add a body to central midfield to try and increase the pressure.
Yep. Needs to start. And otherwise, we need to start looking for a TAM version of this sort of player.

[ManUtd4ever]

At least we scored. Unfortunately, the player that scored both goals might not be here much longer.

[ManUtd4ever]

Unfortunately, reports of monkey chant's at the 88th minute at BMOF during Opoku's SW corner. Listened to the MLSASP footage repeatedly; sounds like so. Is anyone in the community from sections 117, 118, 119 & 120 able to offer insight?

That is surprising.

[Joe Kool]

Mabika needs to be in TFC2. I thought he was not good watching him in person last night at the stadium but just watched the highlights and just not good enough for MLS level just like our defence in general. Not trying to pick on him only at all but you just can't have errors and brain farts as a CB without it possibly leading to goals and it happened repeatedly.

[JoesphNdo]

That is surprising.

Judge for yourself, I guess this is the "reports"

https://twitter.com/RJorge17_/status/1693647235391570353

I am biased, for sure, as we all are - but I don't hear it, like at all. Maybe others disagree?

I would absolutely throw the book at anyone who did that btw, bans for life at an absolute minimum and turn their information over the authorities, also. But I just don't hear that in the clip (There's what sounds like a woman screeching which I assume is what they're referring too, but it sounds like that to me - maybe I'm being naïve?), and would like to think that anyone trying that in Toronto isn't walking out of the stadium. But I could be wrong.

[OgtheDim]

Yeh, I listened to that but didn't hear it.


More importantly, their is no complaint from players & there is no way this if heard would not be reacted to.

[ensco]

Some random thoughts that I don’t see in here the day after (I was at the game).

- It was fun, believe it or not. Beautiful night, perfect conditions. It would not have been fun on TV.
- Neither Franklin or Petretta is an FB. Every ball into them on attack dies, or is played backwards. Servania was actually the only wide defender able to play anything on with intent.
- Vazquez isn’t just slow, he is too slow to play ever again. That was disastrous. May as well put Gio out in that spot.
- I was surprised at the warm reaction MB got from the south end. View of him on this board is not representative.
- Insigne was in civvies! changed at half time, came on. Never see that before.
- Prince's little muffed fluff shot at the beginning of the second half, omg, that was as bad as anything Terence Boyd ever did!

[613reppingTFC]

^ yeah I had to watch on replay later and for some reason I couldn't get Apple to load the game back..it would load the french version but not the english..maybe I should have just watched that one instead. But I went to TSN and replayed that. As someone mentioned at halftime Julian and Kevin were saying Bradley is a Joke and that none of the players want to be out there and they are hating soccer right now with that first half performance. They said nothing Dunfield says in the locker room is going to change their mindset and that he just looked very uninspiring with his interview that he had before the game.

[Joe Kool]

- I was surprised at the warm reaction MB got from the south end. View of him on this board is not representative.

I thought this too. I am sure MB felt good about it but what is this saying to anyone in TFC looking to appease fans. "They love MB let's keep him in the team forever."

[JoesphNdo]

I thought this too. I am sure MB felt good about it but what is this saying to anyone in TFC looking to appease fans. "They love MB let's keep him in the team forever."

I don't share the initial hypothesis here, though I do believe Bradley remains very popular with most TFC fans, people cheering him isn't a way to judge that

Being frank I've never been a Bradley fan. He was good MLS mid fielder, no more no less, but I've always found him overrated and thought he puts his ego above the team and that holds back the team and his own performances

I still cheered him

He's the club captain on our team and back after a long lay off and I'm there to support the team, of course I cheered him. Doesn't chance the fact I don't rate him that highly and don't think he should be here next season. He's just not done anything that would make me want to boo him. You can wait him to leave and still support him

Saying that as I said I do believe he remains very popular with most TFC fans. Just wouldn't read anything into cheers

[Joe Kool]

Another thing from last night I was thinking. I was waiting for my son to get through the long Tiny Tom's line after the game and saw the police and security walking the Montreal fans out of the CNE. Question I have for TFC is why do have Montreal as one of the CNE games each year? They need to change this as of next year if they have any say which they must for Montreal to be here pretty much every year. It can't be down to luck of the draw. There have been so much problems with the fanbases getting together so why not have any US team here instead for the CNE games to reduce the added issues with having to escort Montreal fans out of the CNE. At least they escorted them out because in the past they did not and all fans got mixed up in the CNE midway where I have seen issues. Just more bad planning by TFC just like not having security at all for the previous Montreal game.

[jloome]

That's on our manager for starting a 36 year old player coming off a 3 month injury lay off and also for not understanding the tactical issues Jloome mentioned above.

Jloome, Dunfield should hire you as a consultant to explain to him how to play football properly.

I think it's hard for ex players sometimes -- especially those in the same club system for a long time -- to see the forest for the trees. Remember, Coello wouldn't even have gotten much playing time this year if not for injury.

They didn't see Shaffelburg's value, they didn't see McNaughton's value. It's got to be a ground-level internal bias thing.

[ag futbol]

^ All the more reason to scorch the earth. What our management team doesn’t know could fill an ocean it seems.

[los sonadores]

Hedges is gone.

I know that only too well. Thought he was our only chance to have an acceptable defence. Difficult to do much without that. And crazy after how long of rebuilding? that we have nothing like that. Richie was probably our best CB!

[los sonadores]

He looked a bit shakey and inexperienced at times. Overall okay, but I don’t think anyone should be ready to start him over SJ just yet.

That’s too bad but he was excellent in his prior start, I thought. It would probably help if our back four didn’t suck and Ibarra didn’t play high, etc.

[SenorDingDong]

^ All the more reason to scorch the earth. What our management team doesn’t know could fill an ocean it seems.

Hernandez needs to sit Dunfield down and let him know. Guys like Bradley are subs now. Here's the starting.

‐-----------Prince‐--------
Insigne - Berna - Mailula
------Ibarra- Coello‐-----

[Ultra & Proud]

Hernandez needs to sit Dunfield down and let him know. Guys like Bradley are subs now. Here's the starting.

‐-----------Prince‐--------
Insigne - Berna - Mailula
------Ibarra- Coello‐-----

This is exactly what I was expecting yesterday and instead I got slapped in the face with Bradley, Osorio, & JMR. Garbage starting XI any way you look at it.

[Auzzy]

It's really good to watch the game from up high in the stadium, where you can see things developing that are much harder to see on TV, or if you're closer to the pitch.

I agree that Bernardeschi played great for portions of the game. I also realize he can be quite problematic.

However, I saw something repeatedly last night that speaks to coaching, attitude, or both, and must completely drive Berna (and Insigne) nuts. There were some pretty good passes to Berna, over the top or down the wing. He would sprint to get the ball, but the guys behind him (midfielders and/or fullback) would just slow jog instead of running full speed to back him up. At most Berna would have 1 or 2 guys to pass to in the middle, but they were pretty easy to cover, and with Berna quickly under pressure it was hard for him to put in a good pass. (Plus a cross would often be with his weaker right foot.) Berna could try to dribble past some guys, and he would occasionally choose that -- sometimes successful, sometimes not. But with guys behind him being lame asses, he often didn't have a chance to pass back if he was under too much pressure. Note that these were mostly young guys that should be more fit to run for a full game than Berna. And of course, Montreal could see that, so they knew they could put maximum pressure on Berna and whichever striker might be in the middle.

Most of the time, Berna would have to hold the ball so long that Montreal could set themselves up perfectly. Or he might get stripped if he had to try and dribble through a cloud of defenders.

[Mr. Inbetween]

^
:iagree:

[Mr. Inbetween]

Hernandez needs to sit Dunfield down and let him know. Guys like Bradley are subs now. Here's the starting.

‐-----------Prince‐--------
Insigne - Berna - Mailula
------Ibarra- Coello‐-----


This is exactly what I was expecting yesterday and instead I got slapped in the face with Bradley, Osorio, & JMR. Garbage starting XI any way you look at it.

I was hoping for this, however, preferring Lollo in the hole and Fede on the left; yet Lollo seems to have more of an aversion to such a role than Fede. IMO, at the moment, he is the best distributor and dribbler we have. IIUC, historically, Fede has netted more from the left-to-centre.

IMO, the most interesting line-up from the roster I would like to see, for a half at least, would be...

----------PO---------
---FB----LI----CM---
-----FI-------AC-----
--RP--AM--LS--KF--
-----------SJ---------

SR for LS is fine.
LB for KF is fine.

[OgtheDim]

I wonder why we put ostensibly right footed Oso always as a Left mid. I think he would do better in tandem with Berna. Mind you, he does better in tandem with Insigne - JMR lessens Oso's mobility.

[Ultra & Proud]

JMR lessens Oso's mobility.
JMR kind of lessens everything.

[OgtheDim]

Bradley insisting goal kicks are taken to him first is so.....MB

[OgtheDim]

JMR kind of lessens everything.

Yeh, so then I'm not sure what Oso's excuse for tonight is going to be - one of the worst games he's played in a TFC shirt.