Match Day 16 - Chicago @ TFC Wed May 31 7:38 pm - Deep Dark Alive

[OgtheDim]

In the Stars Someday

I'll Find a Home



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Iruw5IZU0&ab_channel=AdamSturgeon


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Have at It People

[Bushmancan]

On the let’s make Lemonade, at least Bernie is rested for this game. :drinking:

[SenorDingDong]

On the let’s make Lemonade, at least Bernie is rested for this game. :drinking:Does he actually start over Kerr? Tough choices for Bob. I do think they should give him a shot at the #9 role. Keep Kerr on the right, his speed caused lots of problems last game.

[nick.mastro]

Would love to see Bernie in the #9 role

[Fort York Redcoat]

If we are really going to try to believe last match was just a coaching decision...sure...yeah...let's totally start the kid who finally found a scoring boot on an incredible pass from Insigne. I expect several AppleTV shots of Bernie stewing on the bench.

[Ultra & Proud]

Does he actually start over Kerr? Tough choices for Bob. I do think they should give him a shot at the #9 role. Keep Kerr on the right, his speed caused lots of problems last game.
I totally think he should be the #9. It should help him get more looks at goal and also prevent him from hogging the ball, slowing down play, and giving it away because he refuses to pass.

[ag futbol]

I totally think he should be the #9. It should help him get more looks at goal and also prevent him from hogging the ball, slowing down play, and giving it away because he refuses to pass.
In his (slight) defence, Bob left the dude on an island with practically no support. Often he’ll receive the ball in the furthest position forward and nobody comes up to hit the overlap while he’s surrounded by 3 guys.

When we are already in the final third though, I agree. He’s like allergic to doing anything but cutting in on his left foot.

[nick.mastro]

I really believe Bernie would be an amazing number 9. And if we start getting more goals with him then we know our next DP can be used for a solid Mid… now will Bradley experiment with him there is a whole different story

[jloome]

I don't think this is over by a long shot. But if he ends out playing again, I'd prefer him as a striker. I think he wants to attack the goal, and he doesn't look like he's going to enjoy running his lungs out in Bob's system. We already had occasional issues with him not tracking to defend and not taking the open man (although like Insigne's play this weekend, if he accepts that he has to release the ball quickly in this system and not wait for best options, who knows.)

But he scored lots of goals at Fiorentina playing as a second striker. We've seen how hard his shot is, how quick his release can be. And if most of his passing is dishing the ball off from a hold-up position, he certainly seems to have the upper body strength for the role.

[SenorDingDong]

I don't think this is over by a long shot. But if he ends out playing again, I'd prefer him as a striker. I think he wants to attack the goal, and he doesn't look like he's going to enjoy running his lungs out in Bob's system. We already had occasional issues with him not tracking to defend and not taking the open man (although like Insigne's play this weekend, if he accepts that he has to release the ball quickly in this system and not wait for best options, who knows.)

But he scored lots of goals at Fiorentina playing as a second striker. We've seen how hard his shot is, how quick his release can be. And if most of his passing is dishing the ball off from a hold-up position, he certainly seems to have the upper body strength for the role.

Its a no brainer to me to at least try it.

Speed on the wings seems to be key in this league and getting the ball into the box. Insigne does both of those, Berna not as much. So play him to his strengths. He has a killer shot, great first touch and can hold up the ball. All great things for a striker.

[OgtheDim]

Announcers


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Officials


Toronto FC vs Chicago Fire
BMO Field (7:30PM ET)
REF: Nima Saghafi
AR1: Brian Poeschel
AR2: Gianni Facchini
4TH: Michael Venne
VAR: Alejandro Mariscal
AVAR: Fabio Tovar



There will be a VAR check with Saghafi involved.

[OgtheDim]

FWIW

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/1663572855563460609

[Ultra & Proud]

Toronto FC vs Chicago Fire
BMO Field (7:30PM ET)
REF: Nima Saghafi
AR1: Brian Poeschel
AR2: Gianni Facchini
4TH: Michael Venne
VAR: Alejandro Mariscal
AVAR: Fabio Tovar



There will be a VAR check with Saghafi involved.

There's a few of them that make me go "ugh" and he is one of them.

[ag futbol]

I don’t mind Seghafi. He’s not great but not the worst.

My dread comes from whenever Unkel, Geiger, or Stott are out there. They are all so oblivious to their surroundings it’s basically just a count down until they lose control of the game.

Petrescu is bad too. Looks like he’s used to reffing children and doesn’t understand the pro game.

[los sonadores]

Okay, Bob you must reward Kerr for his performance and you can’t sit Bernie again, so please let’s see Bernie at striker and Kerr on that same wing.

Especially since poor Diomande seemed crooked. And Ayo is near pitiful (until the day he scores perhaps). Bernie and Sapong are really a reasonable rotation.

[SenorDingDong]

Okay, Bob you must reward Kerr for his performance and you can’t sit Bernie again, so please let’s see Bernie at striker and Kerr on that same wing.

Especially since poor Diomande seemed crooked. And Ayo is near pitiful (until the day he scores perhaps). Bernie and Sapong are really a reasonable rotation.

100% Agreed. Benching Kerr after the last game is the wrong move. He earned it. Rest CJ a bit for this one and throw Berna up top.

[OgtheDim]

Rosted available

Oso back in training next week

[jloome]

Rosted available

Oso back in training next week

Given how good Mabika has looked and how both he and Rosted are step-up defenders, we'd be in a good position to play a 343, which he's tried a few times.

--------------Johnson----------
-----Mabika-Hedges-Rosted------
Laryea-Kaye-Thompson-Franklin
----Kerr--Bernardeschi--Insigne-----

I suspect Fede might start on the bench, however. Lose your spot for a week and the other guy does better... the other guy starts. And he probably thinks Sapong is both more dangerous in the air and holds up the ball better.

[nick.mastro]

Bob is so stupid we’re going to end up seeing Kerr in the middle and Bernie back on the wing

[Mr. Inbetween]

Given how good Mabika has looked and how both he and Rosted are step-up defenders, we'd be in a good position to play a 343, which he's tried a few times.

--------------Johnson----------
-----Mabika-Hedges-Rosted------
Laryea-Kaye-Thompson-Franklin
----Kerr--Bernardeschi--Insigne-----

I suspect Fede might start on the bench, however. Lose your spot for a week and the other guy does better... the other guy starts. And he probably thinks Sapong is both more dangerous in the air and holds up the ball better.

I am good with this formation and line-up. The only thing I would change is flip MAK and ShortShorts.

[ag futbol]

Bob is so stupid we’re going to end up seeing Kerr in the middle and Bernie back on the wing
God, i hope not. Kid deserves some time in his ideal spot.

[ensco]

Is it that obvious that Kerr is not a 9? I think he might be a 9.

I see his speed and finishing skills. I haven’t seen the 1v1 and crossing skills of a winger. Yet.

[Mr. Inbetween]

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[jloome]

Is it that obvious that Kerr is not a 9? I think he might be a 9.

I see his speed and finishing skills. I haven’t seen the 1v1 and crossing skills of a winger. Yet.

Sort of comes from the same template as Gyassi Zardes. Can play wide or centrally as a forward, score goals. I think he's a forward, generally. Probably more effective centrally but he looks good with the ball, so who knows.

[Mr. Inbetween]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRX4IX-K_YXJdOF43UFNi7fYZsZ6Jh5o3eCzQ&usqp=CAU

Because it's The Chicago Fire and because this is OUR HOUSE!

https://youtu.be/_NSn5RfxoXs

[OgtheDim]

Yeh, I don't think they trot out Sapong for the media avail & then leave him on the bench.

[Bushmancan]

Could play a 4-4-1-1 Been waiting for that all year.

[Ultra & Proud]

Is it that obvious that Kerr is not a 9? I think he might be a 9.


His read of the game isn't right for that yet. He doesn't get into good areas in the box or make a lot of solid runs to get on crosses. Him not doing that was one of the reasons we managed minimal chances when he was up top.

[jloome]

His read of the game isn't right for that yet. He doesn't get into good areas in the box or make a lot of solid runs to get on crosses. Him not doing that was one of the reasons we managed minimal chances when he was up top.

On the wing, his forward play is pretty simplified. Cross it low or high, interplay with the overlap, head for the back post to try to win any crosses.

[ag futbol]

I just saw the highlights from the weekend but Chicago appeared to be playing okay and their team look motivated. Might be more of a test than we assume but otherwise a game we should win.

Feels a bit like the team that can score but will allow plenty of goals against the team that can’t score but doesn’t concede goals. Should be interesting.

[Mr. Inbetween]

FWIW, for those attending the match tonight, TFC needs to move merch! Overstocked?

https://twitter.com/ShopRSApparel/status/1663937631355281408

[Smokecell]

My only concern for this one is that grindy/athletic types like Chris Mueller seem to do well against us.

Off topic - anyone know of places in Barrie with Season Pass?

[jloome]

FWIW, for those attending the match tonight, TFC needs to move merch! Overstocked?

https://twitter.com/ShopRSApparel/status/1663937631355281408

They're not selling well at all, as expected. My team source said that's why they've been using the white-and-greys at home, because they're extremely popular, but the fan-designed one isn't moving.

[Joe Kool]

FWIW, for those attending the match tonight, TFC needs to move merch! Overstocked?

https://twitter.com/ShopRSApparel/status/1663937631355281408

They had this sale last year as well. I took advantage of it to buy two authentic jerseys plus used by season member credit they gave us after COVID which I think came to around $80 total including tax. Not bad for $40 each. I would never pay the full price tag. I wonder if the new jerseys are still having all the quality problems. I will say that Real Sports are the absolute worst retailer to deal with once you buy something and have an issue with it. I have had multiple problems with them costing me money and I don't buy anything from them anymore. Buyer beware to check things out fully before you walk to the cash register. I mean REALLY check the item for defects. Even with the receipt they can be a pain in the ass.

[OgtheDim]

They're not selling well at all, as expected. My team source said that's why they've been using the white-and-greys at home, because they're extremely popular, but the fan-designed one isn't moving.

Sure...wear the whites

against a team that won't wear red


(that NYRB wore their red at our house us absurd)

[jloome]

Sure...wear the whites

against a team that won't wear red


(that NYRB wore their red at our house us absurd)

I suspect that message got through to them. Many, many people were unhappy about that.

Tonight's going to be weird. Frank Klopas, the interim Chicago manager, I suspect is a bit like a certain former TFC manager, may he rest in peace, who was not perceived as being that "helpful" of the former manager.

He's had some personal business dealings the other party felt were less-than-honorable.

I thought he was an MLS 1.0 coach but he's been getting three goals a game out of them since Hendrickson left. Also giving up a bunch more too, though. New coach bounce there may just be that it's more fun focusing on offense than defense.

Or maybe Shaquiri's having an Insigne-esque come-to moment, where he realizes he had to up the individual play in this league to make a dent.

[OgtheDim]

Chicago was having that "giving away late leads" problem under Hendrickson.

I fully expect them to go into a lead on a lucky goal & then for us to come back.

[Yuushalinsky]

I've said in the past, I'll say it again: good kits are both streetwear and look good on the pitch. The Community Kit, for all the shit that we give it (somewhat rightly so) looks good as a white away kit with full gear, on its own, and under a dress shirt at work.

[Ultra & Proud]

I've said in the past, I'll say it again: good kits are both streetwear and look good on the pitch. The Community Kit, for all the shit that we give it (somewhat rightly so) looks good as a white away kit with full gear, on its own, and under a dress shirt at work.
It's fine for what it is but it's a bit dull. Now our new home one is and always will be shit. That one should go down in history as one of, if not our worst one ever. I think I'd even put that away one with the blue accents or that away monochrome red logo one over it.

I used to want nice things but I see our overseers aren't responsible enough to handle that. Just do the Liverpool and have shades of the same red shirt every 2 years and get funky with the collar & trim only. Go crazy with the away one if need be because nobody cares about it.

[ag futbol]

I've said in the past, I'll say it again: good kits are both streetwear and look good on the pitch. The Community Kit, for all the shit that we give it (somewhat rightly so) looks good as a white away kit with full gear, on its own, and under a dress shirt at work.
I admit they are not as crappy as they once appeared when we first saw them. The streetwear things matters to some and I’ll admit that’s probably an important element for the club wrt jersey sales (although many won’t care).

Where these kits roundly suck (and nobody will convince me otherwise) is it doesn’t exactly mesh with the history of the club. WTF are we doing running around in Grey and black hoops as a primary kit?

[Ultra & Proud]

WTF are we doing running around in Grey and black hoops as a primary kit?

I like the hoops idea and it could have been alright if the hoops were more like small pinstripes on a red shirt and the shoulders were red also.

I know a fan made this design but somebody with sense from the club should have run it through quality control before approving this mess.

[Yuushalinsky]

I like the hoops idea and it could have been alright if the hoops were more like small pinstripes and the shoulders were red. I know a fan made this design but somebody with sonse from the club should have run it through quality control before approving this mess.

I would have liked it more if they just did onyx/red instead of onyx/grey. I actually thought the idea of weaving in the drum beats was great, but it needed to be more prominent on the kit.

[Ultra & Proud]

I would have liked it more if they just did onyx/red instead of onyx/grey. I actually thought the idea of weaving in the drum beats was great, but it needed to be more prominent on the kit.
That should have been the "hoops". The sound wave things like on the scarf.

[Joe Kool]

On the kit discussion....it is also widely known that unless you have a slimmer/athletic build you don't wear horizontal lines...just sayin'. Fine for the players but not for some of us....including myself in that category.

[OgtheDim]

The scarf this year was great in March April & earlier this month

On a day like today - I go back to that Pashmina they gave us a few years ago.

[Yuushalinsky]

That should have been the "hoops". The sound wave things like on the scarf.

Yep. You get me. The scarf was lit fire this year.

Anyways, the game.

Getting Berna going again is important and I have a feeling it's a lot about motivation, it is about his 'lazy' days at Juve being misused and underappreciated. Definitely feels like one of those guys that needs a bit of fire to get going, so hopefully the drama doesn't get to him this week (like I think it has in the past)

[Ultra & Proud]

Getting Berna going again is important and I have a feeling it's a lot about motivation, it is about his 'lazy' days at Juve being misused and underappreciated. Definitely feels like one of those guys that needs a bit of fire to get going, so hopefully the drama doesn't get to him this week (like I think it has in the past)

Hopefully Bob manages this situation properly. It could really go either way for Bob and/or Berna. Really no way to predict the outcome beforehand but if Berna is on the bench then we'll know Bob blew his part of the equation.

Literally anything could happen tonight from just about anybody.

[jloome]

Hopefully Bob manages this situation properly. It could really go either way for Bob and/or Berna. Really no way to predict the outcome beforehand but if Berna is on the bench then we'll know Bob blew his part of the equation.

Literally anything could happen tonight from just about anybody.

Think the main thing is we need a performance like last game. Not confident that wasn't just a pride bump.

[MikeForbes]

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1664039651521249284?s=20

[OgtheDim]

Hmmm....that be interesting.

Rosted & Servania on the bench.

[SenorDingDong]

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1664039651521249284?s=20

Oh damn. So is Berna at Center or Kerr?

[jloome]

Oh damn. So is Berna at Center or Kerr?

I'm guessing Kerry at 9, Fede wing.

[MikeForbes]

I'm guessing Kerry at 9, Fede wing.

I agree. Would be happy to see all three interchange at various times in the match though, especially Bernie and Kerr.

[jloome]

Surprised JMR is starting. He had a relatively poor game, the worst of our players last time out.

[James17930]

Not surprising Fede is back in the team. It behooves all parties to get him bought in again and playing well.

Now we just have to see if he shows up tonight.

[Valdal]

Live stream anyone?

[OgtheDim]

Everybody looks very tired.

Kobe seems to have hit the wall

[FootBallAZ]

At the game very humid still.

After Brady injury and fantastic saves I expect nothing less than a win

[jloome]

Why did that all take place on the pitch, delaying the game, when the guy clearly needs stitches and can't continue? Fuck me. Fair play to the tough goalie, but we had momentum, and that should've been moved off the pitch as soon as he passed the concussion test.

[Richard]

Why did that all take place on the pitch, delaying the game, when the guy clearly needs stitches and can't continue? Fuck me. Fair play to the tough goalie, but we had momentum, and that should've been moved off the pitch as soon as he passed the concussion test.

Exactly what I was going to say, holy hell, like they should have got the GK off the pitch 5 min ago.

[FootBallAZ]

Live stream anyone?



https://www.vipboxtv.sk/stream-toronto-fc-vs-chicago-fire-fc-live-1

[Richard]

We should be up by 2 goals already.

[jloome]

LOl, MLS soccer right there, five consecutive bad decisions, by both teams, in transition. No one bothering to trap the ball.

[jloome]

A good team kills us on that freekick bullshit. Too cute.

[Richard]

Good grief. The level of skill out there is so poor.

[JoesphNdo]

The standard of this game is awful. It looks like a first game of the season , it's really, really bad. But that suits us. Won't take much to turn them over

[Richard]

When did Shaqiri get so swole, guys a unit lol.

[Richard]

Do we not do any shooting drills.....

[jloome]

How are we not leading this game?

[FootBallAZ]

Look look Kaye leads the league in tackles LOL

[JoesphNdo]

Chicago, so far, are one of the worst teams I've seen at BMO in ages. We've not been good at all but we've still been miles better

[OgtheDim]

A couple of those were just get a leg on it & put it into the ground and we score....

[jloome]

10-2 in shots. Can't walk out with less than three on this one.

I think we lacked intensity until the final 20 minutes. Not sure why, but they got better as it went along.

[MikeForbes]

Really disappointed by that half. We completely outclassed them, murdered their (admittedly very impressive) teenage keeper and are still tied. Chicago is for my money the worst franchise in modern day MLS. We need 3 points.

[FootBallAZ]

Chicago, so far, are one of the worst teams I've seen at BMO in ages. We've not been good at all but we've still been miles better


What are you talking about Chicago seems to be able to put strings of passes together their backup goalie already made two key saves.

Yes Bernie got shot off and the corner that almost went in maybe everything else has been mediocre at best and I'm not including the insigne shot that was blocked.


Coach for Chicago has them moving quicker than our TFC players and TFC has 3 or 4 young guys in who shouldn't be this slow.

[FootBallAZ]

Chicago, so far, are one of the worst teams I've seen at BMO in ages. We've not been good at all but we've still been miles better


10-2 in shots. Can't walk out with less than three on this one.

I think we lacked intensity until the final 20 minutes. Not sure why, but they got better as it went along.

Backup goalie can motivate anyone reason why I expect a win but if a draw I expect the forks to come back out with flames

[Amir.]

right back to insigne not being involved enough or getting balls in heavily isolated positions...having him at wing in mls and with this squad doesnt make much sense...put him in one of the central midfield positions and send kerr or rutty to wing...you get insigne more involved and connecting with forwards to create something

[jloome]

Xg 1.44 to 0.26, and we're still 0-0.

Someone has to bury one.

[JoesphNdo]

What are you talking about Chicago seems to be able to put strings of passes together their backup goalie already made two key saves.

Yes Bernie got shot off and the corner that almost went in maybe everything else has been mediocre at best and I'm not including the insigne shot that was blocked.


Coach for Chicago has them moving quicker than our TFC players and TFC has 3 or 4 young guys in who shouldn't be this slow.

To me they look absolutely useless, they can't string two passes together and the ball is bouncing off them. We've given them opportunities to do something and they have just not known what to do. I think we were by far the better team that half, even though I also think we were not very good at all that half

[FootBallAZ]

A couple of those were just get a leg on it & put it into the ground and we score....

If we only had a useful striker who could put the ball on target lol.. what was the reason tfc got rid of Jimenez? Was it really him who couldn't play with the Italians was it JJ or really BB who then shipped another useful player .

I can't help to think JJ would have scored the one Kerr missed.

[MikeForbes]

Time for Sapong and Servania. Maybe some minutes for Petretta since Kobe hasn't been great.

[jloome]

We're fucking asleep right now. Bob needs to start yelling ala last week. Seriously. We've turned off.

[James17930]

Both teams have played a lot of games this month. It certainly seems to be catching up with them.

[jloome]

FUCCCCK.

That kind of shit will piss teammates off. Mabika is marked by Navarro, who is about 5'8, and Fede takes a shot from a bad angle and 35 yards out. Not a good decision.

[MikeForbes]

We're fucking asleep right now. Bob needs to start yelling ala last week. Seriously. We've turned off.

Bob needs to use some of his subs before the 60 minute mark. Chicago is growing into this game and we need to make some adjustments.

[James17930]

I've never seen a player lose the ball at his feet more often than MAK. It's bizzare.

[Amir.]

get servania sapong petretta in there

[JoesphNdo]

We seem to be back in the old game plan of "keep it tight and hope the Italians figure it out" and it might well work here but it's not a great sign, we've lost all attacking intensity against a team absolutely here for the taking

[MikeForbes]

I have the same soccer IQ as the greatest American coach of all time!

[FootBallAZ]

I've never seen a player lose the ball at his feet more often than MAK. It's bizzare.

At times looks like he about to trip over his own feet

This was the point I was hammering a lot of his tackles are recovery from bumbling feet.

[MikeForbes]

Let's be honest, we are either giving Richie a full on 2 million plus a year DP contract or losing him again. He is DP level in MLS.

[jloome]

At times looks like he about to trip over his own feet

This was the point I was hammering a lot of his tackles are recovery from bumbling feet.

Those aren't recorded as tackles, they're recorded as "recoveries."

[MikeForbes]

I like watching opposing teams for potential additions to TFC. Right now, Kendall Burks is the guy who stands out to me.

[jloome]

Let's be honest, we are either giving Richie a full on 2 million plus a year DP contract or losing him again. He is DP level in MLS.

He's on £300,000 per season at Forest, or about $500,000.

[MikeForbes]

He's on £300,000 per season at Forest, or about $500,000.

Didn't the MLS salary release list him as being at 1.2 million here?

[Super]

Richie is great, but we really need a DP striker. Yet another game where that is painfully obvious.

[FootBallAZ]

Those aren't recorded as tackles, they're recorded as "recoveries."

Thanks for clarifying

[jloome]

Thanks for clarifying

No problem. I haven't checked but imagine he has a few of those.

[MikeForbes]

Didn't the MLS salary release list him as being at 1.2 million here?

And yes. Almost 1.3 million.

https://mlsplayers.org/resources/salary-guide

[stevep]

In BB’s defence
What does anyone expect to happen in this game? In the starting lineup I count 5 tfc2 level players plus MAK.
If tfc wins that’s not saying much about the quality of this opposition and the league in general

[Richard]

In BB’s defence
What does anyone expect to happen in this game? In the starting lineup I count 5 tfc2 level players plus MAK.
If tfc wins that’s not saying much about the quality of this opposition and the league in general

We're at home, if this was a road game ok, but in MLS you have to win these games at home.

[MikeForbes]

Guys, I almost feel like I started a lot of this MAK criticism because he is basically Mark Delgado with a Canadian birth certificate. But, he isn't our issue right now.

[jloome]

LOL, we gave MAK a $500,000 a year raise when he came here, I notice. He was on $235K a year at Colorado with multiple years left.

But I guess we needed that to attract him to... oh wait, never mind.

His miscontrol numbers this year are awful, 24 through 16 games. Puts him on pace for more than 50.

You know, the more I look at his numbers in LA, the more it looks like he's always had some serious flaws in his game. He had 58 one year, his second at LA. He's dispossessed a lot, as well.


Guys, I almost feel like I started a lot of this MAK criticism because he is basically Mark Delgado with a Canadian birth certificate. But, he isn't our issue right now.

Fair enough, but he's struggled tonight. So has Mabika, so has Franklin. Fede's made some poor choices. Kerr had a couple of good chances.

Really we should've put this one away aaaaages ago.

[Richard]

Guys, I almost feel like I started a lot of this MAK criticism because he is basically Mark Delgado with a Canadian birth certificate. But, he isn't our issue right now.

I never liked the trade from the moment it was announced, bringing back a former academy player almost never works out, there is a certain level of arrogance associated with the returning player.

[FootBallAZ]

I brought my mom to this game and she keeps asking what the heck is this garbage she said she enjoys basketball more that hurts

[FootBallAZ]

Is tfc going into a low block ? Are they trying for the tie against a backup keeper ? Wtf

[MikeForbes]

LOL, we gave MAK a $500,000 a year raise when he came here, I notice. He was on $235K a year at Colorado with multiple years left.

But I guess we needed that to attract him to... oh wait, never mind.

His miscontrol numbers this year are awful, 24 through 16 games. Puts him on pace for more than 50.

You know, the more I look at his numbers in LA, the more it looks like he's always had some serious flaws in his game. He had 58 one year, his second at LA. He's dispossessed a lot, as well.



Fair enough, but he's struggled tonight. So has Mabika, so has Franklin. Fede's made some poor choices. Kerr had a couple of good chances.

Really we should've put this one away aaaaages ago.

Wait, we have him an extra 500k per year?! Gonna change my mind and say he isn't as good as Marky considering we paid almost triple the GAM we received from the Galaxy and Kaye is on nearly double Delgado's salary. Factor in Priso and that is awful man management.

[jloome]

Such bullshit. they don't blow the whistle until Chicago loses the ball? What the fuck is that? Third time, too.

[MikeForbes]

Also, hearing Gutierrez playing for the Fire has me wondering what the fuck actually happened to Christian Gutierrez after we picked him up? And where is he now?

[JoesphNdo]

I think the MAK trade was bad, too, but that has to be some fuckery on those reported salaries, like insignes being reported at half what he's on, right? What's our incentive to negotiate a new deal of any kind with him? I love to dump on Manning and Bob as GM but even I can't believe thats as bad as it seems

[jloome]

Fuck, motivate your players man, get active on the sidelines. He's a statue this game. Last game, he was running up and down, screaming at them, talking to them constantly.

[FootBallAZ]

Wait, we have him an extra 500k per year?! Gonna change my mind and say he isn't as good as Marky considering we paid almost triple the GAM we received from the Galaxy and Kaye is on nearly double Delgado's salary. Factor in Priso and that is awful man management.

Also forgot the first round pick which would have been inexpensive depth to fill around the Italians

I guess crisicito saw the writing on the wall retires to unretires.

Tired being lied to and not having transparency .

[MikeForbes]

The CPL summer of Perruzza coming soon.

[FootBallAZ]

Also, hearing Gutierrez playing for the Fire has me wondering what the fuck actually happened to Christian Gutierrez after we picked him up? And where is he now?

How does tfc either acquire injured players or cause players to be injured over the past 4 seasons this is insane.

So many others would relish for this opportunity

[FootBallAZ]

4 on 1 break

Man this could have been embarrassing for tfc

[JoesphNdo]

We are so lucky Chicago are so bad...how do you fuck up a four vs one so much you don't even get a shot away!?

Genuinely can't remember a team this bad here, maybe red bulls recently but they were decimated so I give them a pass

[jloome]

LOL, to hear the MLS announcers, two games in four days is horrifically hard. "Load management"; good lord. I know this league has travel and timing issues with respect to training but it also plays 15-20 games a year less than the average top Euro league.

[MikeForbes]

Also forgot the first round pick which would have been inexpensive depth to fill around the Italians

I guess crisicito saw the writing on the wall retires to unretires.

Tired being lied to and not having transparency .

Which they used to select a Canadian.

[FiveThreeTwo]

I know MAK might be in the analytics MLS grade, but what's always put me off is his technique and gracefulness on the field... or lack thereof lol. Looks like he's always receiving the ball between his feet, head burrowed down looking between his legs, his movements clunky, decision making slightly delayed and at least to me.. never looks like he is in control of his bubble and anxiety free, guy looks stressed out on the ball anytime he's near it and looks like he plays reactionary. Despite the analytics and numbers, often he doesn't pass the eye test.

His clunkiness around the field reminds of at Matuidi when he was at Juve. Maybe the numbers show he's a baller, but eye tests of their technique and lack of smooth control of the situations they put themselves in out there make it come off like they are always 'not dialed in' at all lol.

[Richard]

Fuck, motivate your players man, get active on the sidelines. He's a statue this game. Last game, he was running up and down, screaming at them, talking to them constantly.

I think after the drama last week the realization may have settled in this week that it might be over.

Killbaine is probably right in that they are all dead man walking.

[portu]

Good - Moments of comfortable possession in attacking half
Bad - Defending in transition
Ugly - Zero ideas in possession. No attacking patterns whatsoever.

[MikeForbes]

A young DP who barely gets any minutes? Maybe the Fire and TFC are on the same page.

[jloome]

I think after the drama last week the realization may have settled in this week that it might be over.

Killbaine is probably right in that they are all dead man walking.

You might be right. Not enough quick movement today, too many individual efforts again.

[jloome]

What is Servania bitching about, that went right through his feet. Jesus.

[portu]

What in the fuck is Mbongue doing. Amateur hour with Insigne darting like that.

[jloome]

Wow, all that Chicago shithousing and we only get 5 added minutes? What the fuck is that about?

[jloome]

What in the fuck is Mbongue doing. Amateur hour with Insigne darting like that.

Only two options, only one obviously wrong, he picked it. Why try the back post runner when he's only just entered the box? Madness.

[portu]

This is disgusting to watch.

Can't beat Chicago. I've been trying not to post because I only have negative things to say. But this club has me so exhausted to even think about. Honestly makes me sad.

[MikeForbes]

So, Bob out? Or are we waiting until we lose to a team worse than the Fire?

[JoesphNdo]

What a strange game. It's both true to say that we deserved to win and were the better team and that a good team would have beaten us easily

After last week, that wasn't what bob needed. Better than a loss but that was not good at all. Back to our worst in many ways against a fucking terrible team we should have easily turned over.

[OgtheDim]

Well that was 2 bad teams making 2 hours of my time feel like watching paint dry.

[wopchop]

59% possession, 20 shots, 1.84 xG
And yet ... we looked totally useless in the final third.

[SoccMan2]

Mbongue has never impressed whenever he has be given a chance , and oh my did he really screw that up he had Insigne wide open but could not find the pass , it was harder to screw that up than make the pass . However , we trade the kid and you watch him find his game .

[SilverSamurai]

I gave up having a nap to watch this.
Even still, I should've watch the Force/York United CPL 905 derby instead of this...
Absolutely dreadful.

[FootBallAZ]

Only two options, only one obviously wrong, he picked it. Why try the back post runner when he's only just entered the box? Madness.

I understand what he was doing if his pass was a bit more accurate would have been a goal - actually nothing is guaranteed with TFC.

He should have taken two Maybe 3 steps and passed it to insigne he had so so so much space and time - he basically treated insigne like a rookie who needed to be walked in for a easy tap in .

Lolol.

I can only laugh instead of cry.


3 wins in 24 games yep- the treble will be coming soon. Lol Jesus.lord have mercy.

[OgtheDim]

59% possession, 20 shots, 1.84 xG
And yet ... we looked totally useless in the final third.

First half was most of those shots & xG


Second half, they all just wilted.


*********

When the Fire had a 4 on 1 there near the end, I was wondering how they were going to mess it up - they did what our guys seem to do go forward on the side, stop, pull it back 1 step & then pass to the 3rd trailing person.

[Richard]

I need to start getting paid to watch TFC games.

I'm honestly completely done with this team for the season. How is any of this supposed to get better?

[jloome]

Well that was shit.

We were okay for stretches of the first half. But second half was weak. Too many rushed passes, too little control. Too many individual efforts around the box, too many late passes and crosses.

Just poor. Franklin wasn't involved at all on the left side, and yet somehow managed to be caught high several times.

Fede made multiple bad decisions. Insigne didn't do much either. We just lacked the impetus again; when the ball was coming wide, the box was generally mostly white shirts.

Richie had many good moments but also got beat defensively a couple of times, and made a few poor choices on overlaps.

MAK was juggling again and no one was leading well with passes, so guys often started with poor initial positioning, having to back up to the defence because balls are played in behind them, and slowly.

20-4 on shots, but only 6-1 on goal. Lots of wasted offense.

I think there are occasions when Fede slows our offense down too much to set up taking on his player, and should just put a ball into the box. Equally, he had Kerr open in front of the net on the move where he got off the good low shot.

I dunno... I get how skilled he is and that he can change games. But I think he occasionally ignores a better option for one that he can control, which is probably a confidence in teammates issue as much as anything vain. Insigne does it too, but less often generally.

Franklin's movement made Insigne's life difficult tonight. The kid kept cutting inside from low, instead of overlapping and then cutting in behind to support, so every time Insigne went to move into that space, it was already taken.

Their offensive movement is, generally, still a problem. I get the approach, it hasn't really changed, and when we get enough guys into the box AND quick delivery, it can work. But tonight we got neither, and their general individual movement wasn't smart enough to make up for it.

I think Richard may be right, they may all know he's not going to survive, or at the very least, they may dislike each other/Bob/Fede/MB etc enough that they're just not very motivated.

At this point though, that felt like a loss.

[JoesphNdo]

First half was most of those shots & xG


Second half, they all just wilted.


*********

When the Fire had a 4 on 1 there near the end, I was wondering how they were going to mess it up - they did what our guys seem to do go forward on the side, stop, pull it back 1 step & then pass to the 3rd trailing person.

It's funny, during that moment I literally wasn't even slightly nervous. I knew they'd fuck it up. I'm a pessimist by nature who assumes all opposition players will turn into Messi the second they touch the ball but that was the level of belief that Chicago side gave me, it never even crossed my mind that we'd concede

[jloome]

I understand what he was doing if his pass was a bit more accurate would have been a goal - .

It would've been intercepted no matter what he did. Outside of the fact that the second trailer was LATE, Chicago had three men between the penalty spot and our other attacker, so... In an ideal world, if they weren't defending their own box or we were on a long break, sure.

It was clearly the more covered man, so why not just drill it short to Insigne's feet. He's a fucking pro, he'd just let it run across him and tap it in.

[noxx98]

That was bad

Time to go Bob.

[Bushmancan]

Bernadeschi and Insigne are not allowed to take any more free kicks until they hit the net or drop it in the box 100 times in a row in practice

[OgtheDim]

Thing is...the defence is pretty good, which makes a change from 2020-2022.

But man....those guys just looked mind dead tonight on offence - like they were 8 games into a long stretch, the weather was hot & they had no clue how to do anything.

[oranje boven]

It’s 0-0, you’re playing at home, you’re subbed and you walk off the pitch with the ref trying to get you to move faster …. I have difficulty with that.

[ElvistheEvilScotsman]

Bernadeschi and Insigne are not allowed to take any more free kicks until they hit the net or drop it in the box 100 times in a row times in practice

I miss the feeling of excitement every time Seba lined up for free kick on goal.

[Oldtimer]

Stronger point, like Og said better defense.

The problem with this team is the compete lack of offensive strategy. No attempts to create overloads, nothing. Just individuals playing on the field together, doing their own thing.

[OgtheDim]

Stronger point, like Og said better defense.

The problem with this team is the compete lack of offensive strategy. No attempts to create overloads, nothing. Just individuals playing on the field together, doing their own thing.

Which was what Berna said was happening that started the week of "discussions" & what WASN'T happening on Saturday night.

[jloome]

Which was what Berna said was happening that started the week of "discussions" & what WASN'T happening on Saturday night.

Yeah, it was a real reversion to form.

[SirBobSaget]

1.8 million in strikers that are all worthless. Unbelievable cap management

[OgtheDim]

Yeah, it was a real reversion to form.

I'm coming to the conclusion that the game tonight was just a mental step to far for this group.

I get it, they are professionals & are supposed to perform.

But, when I think about it, all those games & the one week where they were supposed to get some rest & recovery - they are dealing with "stuff". They recover, play well & then 4 days later try to play again, in heat, & they are just mentally wiped out.

I think this team won't have a good game on Saturday but will be in it until the end - the offence is not going to be better until they have a full week off before the Nashville outing.

[Oldtimer]

1.8 million in strikers that are all worthless. Unbelievable cap management

With this level of coaching, you could dispense with the DPs and just have regular MLS journeymen.

[FiveThreeTwo]

next game they should put berna up top and see if he can't drift around and create the runs/off ball movements/dummy/holdup stuffs and general striker stuff that's not being instructed or being advised by the staff.

As they say, if there's a void in leadership then pick up the flag, drive forward and lead by example. If's he's pissed that the team have no strategy or formula to getting into the final third and finish - Put him up top and see if he can't use his football IQ setup those plays for the team if Bobby doesn't want to. Kerr on the flank with his pace might be a better spot for him to beat a single outside FB, vs. being trapped around 2 CB's and decent MLS CDM... they will just box him out everyday of the week with his size and he isn't gonna be able to beat too many teams uptop on his own yet.

Berna might not be a natural striker, but his ability to fade away from a marking CB, or read the open spaces in around the box when our FB's/wingers pass it in from the byline might be enough to get us some production and finish. Worth a try at least. We've won 3 games this season lol, can't do much worse lol.

[jloome]

I think that makes Bob our first manager since Ryan Nelsen in 2014 to not beat Chicago at BMO.

[ag futbol]

Felt like we slipped into our old stupid habits today. We had opportunities yes but seemed like that was just hard work by the players and Chicago’s defensive fragility as opposed to any sort of proper strategy by Bob.

It’s the same playbook since forever. Fede 1v1, Laryea overload, Lorenzo with not enough of the ball compared to his talents.

If we could somehow shorten bob’s lifespan as coach that would be great

[zorsofstesab]

Every time MAK touched the ball it looked like a blend of Pirlo, Iniesta and Xavi. I truly don’t know how we have one of the midfielders of all time on our team

stevep, have you been hacked or is your post an early April fool's? TFC will struggle with MAK as your starting central midfielder. No creativity, terrible passing, terrible attacking, terrible defending, no desire to push forward with the ball. Almost always passes back or sideways. Watch him off the ball and you will see a lazy player who prances around like he's a world star. Lucky for him Bradley likes him or he would at best be a late game substitute on any other team, including CANMNT. Colorado saw this and drove MAK to the airport to see him off. Now we are stuck paying him almost 750k until 2025. In a salary capped league that's one heck of an amount to pay a fringe player.

[Auzzy]

Mostly it's already been said above. What a waste of a couple of hours.

Chicago turned over the ball SO many times in dangerous areas, and TFC couldn't capitalize.

I feel TFC had about 20 corners plus free kicks near the box, yet they only registered one shot on goal all game.

I get it that there's no reasonable system or tactics, but that's not what makes Insigne bounce a freekick off the wall. The majority of his & Berna's freekicks were trash.

[Auzzy]

stevep, have you been hacked or is your post an early April fool's? TFC will struggle with MAK as your starting central midfielder. No creativity, terrible passing, terrible attacking, terrible defending, no desire to push forward with the ball. Almost always passes back or sideways. Watch him off the ball and you will see a lazy player who prances around like he's a world star. Lucky for him Bradley likes him or he would at best be a late game substitute on any other team, including CANMNT. Colorado saw this and drove MAK to the airport to see him off. Now we are stuck paying him almost 750k until 2025. In a salary capped league that's one heck of an amount to pay a fringe player.

Sarcasm alert!!!

[Slick]

As much as the last win was needed, all it did was give Bob an extra life. Flush this season down the toilet. It's very clear that Bob doesn't know how to work with talent. Poz, Jimenez, Insigne, Berni. Playing young players out of position and hoping something will stick.

With this management in place, I have zero hope for any type of progress. We need a full gut, top down.
.

[Mr. Inbetween]

Like most of the squad, I do not think he had a particularly good match. The few moments of excitement were not enough. Overall, our offensive woes are being accentuated by our defensive decency. From where I sit, in the West Stands-South Half, when Fede got subbed, he received a lot of support cheers walking off the pitch. Fans beside the team bench, directly south, went hard in their love. A few have already highlighted many specifics, for myself, there weren't enough long-ball attempts to the touchline channels by Matt as in the previous match-win; even though Chicago's default was not as high as DCU's. In general, the group seemed to lack intensity, urgency and directness. If I heard correctly, for a stretch in the second half, when they halted any immediate build up and did their typical pass-back routines, there were soft hints of European whistle jeers. Even in extra-time, some moments felt they were on a stroll. At the final whistle, there were boos, more than I expected, just not sure if they were aimed at BB or the squad; likely meant for both. If this continues, more dramatic fallout has be expected.

[Ultra & Proud]

Watched some of this one back afterwards and noticed something. Now MAK's passing is shit, no way around it but almost all his passes are about 1.5m in front of his teammates almost every time. Is he expecting movement that isn't happening? Seems odd that most of his forward passes are all off by about the same distance and our players usually aren't running or even really moving.

You'd think since he's Bob's other son he would know to look up and react to what's happening instead of expecting some kind of route to be run.

[stevep]

Sarcasm alert!!!


i found it on instagram, had to repost it. i found it quite funny comment

[Mr. Inbetween]

Watched some of this one back afterwards and noticed something. Now MAK's passing is shit, no way around it but almost all his passes are about 1.5m in front of his teammates almost every time. Is he expecting movement that isn't happening? Seems odd that most of his forward passes are all off by about the same distance and our players usually aren't running or even really moving. You'd think since he's Bob's other son he would know to look up and react to what's happening instead of expecting some kind of route to be run.

This year it's been Kosi 'short-shorts' Thompson and... 'Would you mind if i wept? Not at all, would you mind if I vomited?' Mark Anthony 'hospital ball' Kaye!

[Joe Kool]

A couple chances which provided some excitement a bit in the first half...but that was it. I hate to say it but I was really getting bored watching the game. Passing side to side back and forth never-ending. Move the ball to Insigne, he gets blocked off by a couple players, move the ball back to the midfield and defence and then over to Berna. Berna has nowhere to go then back to the midfield defence again. Holy hell. I get the movement side to side to try to get the other team unbalanced and look for the opening but other than maybe a couple times that I recall, there was no opening and back and forth it went. I got tired of watching it. Maybe if TFC moved the ball quicker more openings would appear but it was so laboured in the movement. Chicago was happy enough just to let TFC pass the ball around and try to get out with 0-0. At least it was awesome weather and a nice night to be at the stadium. Other than that though.....

[los sonadores]

Seemed a team in need of offensive direction. And in need of a striker (which we’ve been saying all season, all but Sapong’s debut). Comon Bernie. Most MLS teams would be thrilled to add a successful Fiorentina striker. But not our Bob, it seems.

[ag futbol]

Like most of the squad, I do not think he had a particularly good match. The few moments of excitement were not enough. Overall, our offensive woes are being accentuated by our defensive decency. From where I sit, in the West Stands-South Half, when Fede got subbed, he received a lot of support cheers walking off the pitch. Fans beside the team bench, directly south, went hard in their love. A few have already highlighted many specifics, for myself, there weren't enough long-ball attempts to the touchline channels by Matt as in the previous match-win; even though Chicago's default was not as high as DCU's. In general, the group seemed to lack intensity, urgency and directness. If I heard correctly, for a stretch in the second half, when they halted any immediate build up and did their typical pass-back routines, there were soft hints of European whistle jeers. Even in extra-time, some moments felt they were on a stroll. At the final whistle, there were boos, more than I expected, just not sure if they were aimed at BB or the squad; likely meant for both. If this continues, more dramatic fallout has be expected.
I thought they played pretty hard. I saw guys busting their ass in various parts of the field. But as the game wore on and the goals didn’t come you could sort of feel the weight of expectations sink in and that hurt everyone’s effectiveness.

They know the game plan is stupid but are just trying to soldier though.

[Ultra & Proud]

Seemed a team in need of offensive direction. And in need of a striker (which we’ve been saying all season, all but Sapong’s debut). Comon Bernie. Most MLS teams would be thrilled to add a successful Fiorentina striker. But not our Bob, it seems.
Should be able to manage more than what we are against a team like the Fire. We don't even create good enough chances for a FW to blow. Remember guys like Barrett or Cunningham who played on our prime shit level teams of yesteryear. They blew more golden opportunities per match than we manage in a month. If that was happening now then I would say we need a striker and it could fix the issue but we could have almost anybody up top and unless he can do it all by himself and create his own chances then he wouldn't be managing much either. This is the way we're set up now and it's ridiculous for a team leading the league in payroll to play like the Rapids are forced to because thier ownership is cheap.

[Canary10]

Should be able to manage more than what we are against a team like the Fire. We don't even create good enough chances for a FW to blow. Remember guys like Barrett or Cunningham who played on our prime shit level teams of yesteryear. They blew more golden opportunities per match than we manage in a month. If that was happening now then I would say we need a striker and it could fix the issue but we could have almost anybody up top and unless he can do it all by himself and create his own chances then he wouldn't be managing much either. This is the way we're set up now and it's ridiculous for a team leading the league in payroll to play like the Rapids are forced to because thier ownership is cheap.

We had a 2.0 xG last night. That's pretty good. Should have scored.

[Ultra & Proud]

We had a 2.0 xG last night. That's pretty good. Should have scored.
All of that was in the first half and was mostly players trying to do it themselves (mostly Berna). That's what it takes to create chances and why we're easy to defend. You can see Insigne & Berna doing the same telegraphed cut in a shoot over and over. Usually it was blocked but Berna managed to squeeze a few through.

[OgtheDim]

We had a 2.0 xG last night. That's pretty good. Should have scored.

Yeh, this where I am at- first half we shoulda scored & that would have changed the game state significantly in our favour (of course).

Second half - completely out of gas mentally & physically.

[ag futbol]

We had a 2.0 xG last night. That's pretty good. Should have scored.
Agreed, but the reason we don’t largely rests in the quality of the players taking those chances (among other things).

To xG Chat Barrett at the penalty spot with a look on goal is a superior opportunity to Messi shooting from outside the 18. Regardless, we all which scenario is more likely to end up with the ball in the net.

[Canary10]

Agreed, but the reason we don’t largely rests in the quality of the players taking those chances (among other things).

To xG Chat Barrett at the penalty spot with a look on goal is a superior opportunity to Messi shooting from outside the 18. Regardless, we all which scenario is more likely to end up with the ball in the net.

I agree, but just saying chance creation, while not superb, was actually decent last night. The actual putting the ball in the net was more the problem.

[ag futbol]

I agree, but just saying chance creation, while not superb, was actually decent last night. The actual putting the ball in the net was more the problem.
On the day, sure.

I would just caution anyone who thinks we’ve suddenly turned the corner in our offence. To me it looked like those chances came because guys were working their asses off and because Chicago was too dumb to read a scouting report. It was the same 3-4 things we always try and do in attack.

I doubt those same things will work against better teams.

[jloome]

On the day, sure.

I would just caution anyone who thinks we’ve suddenly turned the corner in our offence. To me it looked like those chances came because guys were working their asses off and because Chicago was too dumb to read a scouting report. It was the same 3-4 things we always try and do in attack.

I doubt those same things will work against better teams.

I think we did okay offensively until about minute 60, when their legs just seemed to go.

IF we had a decent striker and if the Italians remained the pace of play -- not speed per se, but quick decisions -- of the first half, I think we at least squeak a goal in that one.

I think Kerr has a lot of potential but his movement in the box is poor. On the cross where he kneed the goalie on the rebound, he was attacking the goal in a straight line which is very counterproductive as a striker is a) usually trying to get ahead of his man, and b) usually aiming for a post, to cut the goalie's coverage angle down when he redirects the pass.

That and Sapong's relative lack of mobility in the second half -- he looked arthritic for his time out there, maybe the humidity was getting to them or something -- made it very difficult to threaten from crosses, and that led to the reversion to type, trying to slip something in from the top of the box.

But that also felt like maybe Bob overcoached it. We really changed our focus of attack in the second half, from the touchline to the top corners. We always look great when we pin them and attack from the touchline. We always look like shit from the top corners, because quick, sharp crosses and through balls require more skill to receive and finish quickly or redirect.

And Mbongue isn't ready for this level. He looks a good athlete and he works had but he has no idea what he's doing out there when he has no time and just has to react. All he has to do on that final buildup is drill the ball hard to Insigne's feet, flat, with his instep. Insigne was inside the near post, he had lots of time, he would at least have gotten a chance. Instead, he saw a defender near that post, panicked, and tried to hit the trailer who wasn' t even in the box yet and triple covered.

That shit right there is the difference between wins and draws in MLS.

[jloome]

I'd also say I still think the kids' movement needs serious help, and he's relying on them too much to figure it out. Kobe Franklin BEDEVILED Insigne with bad movement last night. It wasn't just poor, it was abysmal. He overran him, he cut inside him when he shouldn't. He clearly had NO IDEA where he was suppose to be, which, given that they were ceding us wide positions, was on a proper overlap, which he almost never did.

Unless, again, that was some weird failed tactical move, I don't know what he was doing.

I'll add that they showed a closeup of Bob around minute 70 and he looked fucking bleak, like they'd already told him he was done, or soon would be. I mean, it's just a flash on TV, maybe he was just flabbergasted by something stupid ahead of him on the pitch, as there as plenty. But I've never seen doubt in his face, and there was a lot. It wasn't pretty.

[Joe Kool]

^^Trying to recall but pretty sure a player on our team mentioned all of this type of stuff in a press conference after the Austin game....

[reggie]

blow this thing up...this team is unwatchable,enough with this inverted winger stuff. insigni hit the fkkking net:drinking:

[Gringo Starr]

A couple chances which provided some excitement a bit in the first half...but that was it. I hate to say it but I was really getting bored watching the game. Passing side to side back and forth never-ending. Move the ball to Insigne, he gets blocked off by a couple players, move the ball back to the midfield and defence and then over to Berna. Berna has nowhere to go then back to the midfield defence again. Holy hell. I get the movement side to side to try to get the other team unbalanced and look for the opening but other than maybe a couple times that I recall, there was no opening and back and forth it went. I got tired of watching it. Maybe if TFC moved the ball quicker more openings would appear but it was so laboured in the movement. Chicago was happy enough just to let TFC pass the ball around and try to get out with 0-0. At least it was awesome weather and a nice night to be at the stadium. Other than that though.....

This, exactly this. I can endure the Drama and being a shit team but not the boring, dreadful play. Last night had me missing Poz, a guy who could make something out of nothing. I never questioned having season seats before but driving home last night, after a crap day at work, having to buy drinks and food at the stadium due to a lack of time pre game, after watching that dire performance I may start giving it some thought. It was just so dull

[ag futbol]

I think we did okay offensively until about minute 60, when their legs just seemed to go.

IF we had a decent striker and if the Italians remained the pace of play -- not speed per se, but quick decisions -- of the first half, I think we at least squeak a goal in that one.

I think Kerr has a lot of potential but his movement in the box is poor. On the cross where he kneed the goalie on the rebound, he was attacking the goal in a straight line which is very counterproductive as a striker is a) usually trying to get ahead of his man, and b) usually aiming for a post, to cut the goalie's coverage angle down when he redirects the pass.

That and Sapong's relative lack of mobility in the second half -- he looked arthritic for his time out there, maybe the humidity was getting to them or something -- made it very difficult to threaten from crosses, and that led to the reversion to type, trying to slip something in from the top of the box.

But that also felt like maybe Bob overcoached it. We really changed our focus of attack in the second half, from the touchline to the top corners. We always look great when we pin them and attack from the touchline. We always look like shit from the top corners, because quick, sharp crosses and through balls require more skill to receive and finish quickly or redirect.

And Mbongue isn't ready for this level. He looks a good athlete and he works had but he has no idea what he's doing out there when he has no time and just has to react. All he has to do on that final buildup is drill the ball hard to Insigne's feet, flat, with his instep. Insigne was inside the near post, he had lots of time, he would at least have gotten a chance. Instead, he saw a defender near that post, panicked, and tried to hit the trailer who wasn' t even in the box yet and triple covered.

That shit right there is the difference between wins and draws in MLS.
I’m just annoyed at the whole setup. We keep getting our best players the ball miles and miles from the goal. Hardly anyone makes the runs to break the lines so they get surrounded by three guys and get smothered off the ball.

Would it be so hard for Bob to get LI or Berna the ball somewhere near the box for once as opposed to next to the touch line at midfield?

We might legitimately need VV out there even if he’s reached broken down golf cart status because nobody else can get these guys the ball where they need it.

[los sonadores]

I'd also say I still think the kids' movement needs serious help, and he's relying on them too much to figure it out. Kobe Franklin BEDEVILED Insigne with bad movement last night. It wasn't just poor, it was abysmal. He overran him, he cut inside him when he shouldn't. He clearly had NO IDEA where he was suppose to be, which, given that they were ceding us wide positions, was on a proper overlap, which he almost never did.

Unless, again, that was some weird failed tactical move, I don't know what he was doing.

I'll add that they showed a closeup of Bob around minute 70 and he looked fucking bleak, like they'd already told him he was done, or soon would be. I mean, it's just a flash on TV, maybe he was just flabbergasted by something stupid ahead of him on the pitch, as there as plenty. But I've never seen doubt in his face, and there was a lot. It wasn't pretty.

I know you’re no fan of Petretta but Kobe (last night anyway) is not a good match for our 7 million dollar winger. Not sure why he’s become the de facto starter, he’s too green and he’s more comfortable, it seems, playing the other side. Was Petretta still injured? (He was on the bench) Or was he among the 10 mutineers and being taught a lesson about loyalty?

[Derko]

I actually left the game early for the first time since TFC inception, I have given up on BB and management. Just an absolute waste of 6 hours including travel to and from Orangeville.

[BritSOL]

This, exactly this. I can endure the Drama and being a shit team but not the boring, dreadful play. Last night had me missing Poz, a guy who could make something out of nothing. I never questioned having season seats before but driving home last night, after a crap day at work, having to buy drinks and food at the stadium due to a lack of time pre game, after watching that dire performance I may start giving it some thought. It was just so dull

I've been a season ticket holder since year 1, and have decided to give them up next year. I'll just pick a few games per season to go to and buy tickets on the open market. The cold 7:30pm home games in March are also a contributing factor.

[ag futbol]

This, exactly this. I can endure the Drama and being a shit team but not the boring, dreadful play. Last night had me missing Poz, a guy who could make something out of nothing. I never questioned having season seats before but driving home last night, after a crap day at work, having to buy drinks and food at the stadium due to a lack of time pre game, after watching that dire performance I may start giving it some thought. It was just so dull


I've been a season ticket holder since year 1, and have decided to give them up next year. I'll just pick a few games per season to go to and buy tickets on the open market. The cold 7:30pm home games in March are also a contributing factor.
This is what worries me. This club is pissing people off and there’s no easy way back. If opinions like this are finding their way to a supporters board, imagine what the average person who buys tickets feels.

What story could they possibly sell to get anyone to hang on for renewals? A new coach (that we should have had 6 months ago)? More star signings? (Might not change anything)

Once again we’re stuck with a dysfunctional ownership group that is badly impacting the trajectory of football in this city. In another universe, we’d be filling a 40k seat stadium by now and ever growing in popularity. Instead we’re at best stuck in neutral by a inept, lazy, dysfunctional, shit-bag ownership group that doesn’t seem to look beyond how much money they can take out of our pockets at the next possible opportunity.

[Ultra & Proud]

This is what worries me. This club is pissing people off and there’s no easy way back. If opinions like this are finding their way to a supporters board, imagine what the average person who buys tickets feels.

What story could they possibly sell to get anyone to hang on for renewals? A new coach (that we should have had 6 months ago)? More star signings? (Might not change anything)

Once again we’re stuck with a dysfunctional ownership group that is badly impacting the trajectory of football in this city. In another universe, we’d be filling a 40k seat stadium by now and ever growing in popularity. Instead we’re at best stuck in neutral by a inept, lazy, dysfunctional, shit-bag ownership group that doesn’t seem to look beyond how much money they can take out of our pockets at the next possible opportunity.
Welcome to 2013 part II

Better be a "rollback to year one pricing" again or I might be out too.

[ag futbol]

Welcome to 2013 part II

Better be a "rollback to year one pricing" again or I might be out too.
Yikes.

So let me ask you and anyone else who is contemplating cancelling this: what are the things that would convince you to stay?

Full disclosure: I generally go to 3-4 games a year + playoffs and otherwise watch at home. Too many other things I like to do which has always scared me off buying season seats. I’ll always watch at some level but personally, absent a deep playoff run (I could care less if we make the playoffs in the current watered-down format) or major management / ownership changes, I’m going to be watching less as opposed to more next year.

[Ultra & Proud]

Yikes.

So let me ask you and anyone else who is contemplating cancelling this: what are the things that would convince you to stay?

I used to go to every match but now can't do Wednesday because of work. I skipped a few monsoon matches here and there over the past few years but to go down and see what is out there now is a slog. An expensive, tiresome slog with little on field entertainment value besides outrage and anger.

Few things I would like to see (reasonable things):

- Some FO responsibility. Not a townhall again but get Manning & Bill up there to do some kind of state of the union address and not just pump out BS. Own up to the problems and offer solutions instead of excuses. A shake up would be nice though.
- Don't jack ticket prices if the on field product doesn't justify it. They did that through all the early ugly years and are doing it again. Team should earn that increase. Them spending foolishly and failing is something they should eat, not us.
- Engage the fanbase again. Not sure why they decided to go AWOL now but now there is only pointless social media trash; fashion pics, few training pics, & a few "clever" one liners here and there. They abandoned the whole community aspect they used to have and instead just used it for marketing rather than actually getting out to the people.
- Not a deal breaker but safe standing has been promised for about 5 years and nothing. Now silence on it and everything else practically.
- Not to beat the drum of cheapness but teams like Atlanta do offer value in their food menu. That in itself makes going more attractive than the gouging most teams, especially MLSE teams, do. I see some of it on Twitter where lower level teams in Europe are using food or beverage deals to get bums in seats. This would be a smart move.


TFC used to feel like a grassroots movement type thing; there was engagement, events, buzz and now it's really reverted to pure fringe sport level like lacrosse or rugby. If you aren't into it enough to go look for it, you won't find it and that kind of sums up how I feel the organization is viewing the fanbase now.

[gunnerken]

I upped my SSH number from 2 to 4 this season after my elderly neighbours decided after last season to not renew...and I am somewhat regretting it...my concept was for me and my regular soccer buddy to use my original 2 and to sell the other 2 (at barely cost) to the older couple who still wanted to attend a few games (and could thereby use their old, familiar seats), some friends who often expressed an interest in checking out a couple of games, and maybe introduce TFC to some people who weren't familiar with the "experience" and get them enthused about live soccer :rolleyes:...I admit that it was also partly a way of controlling who stands beside me...

As it turns out, it's been a bit of a struggle to get them filled...and I almost feel embarrassed asking for money to watch this level of play...I am a day one supporter/SSH, but yeah...it's just frustrating that we can't put out a more entertaining product after all these years...memories of the 2017 euphoria are fading fast...

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Once again we’re stuck with a dysfunctional ownership group that is badly impacting the trajectory of football in this city. In another universe, we’d be filling a 40k seat stadium by now and ever growing in popularity. Instead we’re at best stuck in neutral by a inept, lazy, dysfunctional, shit-bag ownership group that doesn’t seem to look beyond how much money they can take out of our pockets at the next possible opportunity.

All this is so true!
Should be framed and put on the wall.

[Gringo Starr]

I used to go to every match but now can't do Wednesday because of work. I skipped a few monsoon matches here and there over the past few years but to go down and see what is out there now is a slog. An expensive, tiresome slog with little on field entertainment value besides outrage and anger.

Few things I would like to see (reasonable things):

- Some FO responsibility. Not a townhall again but get Manning & Bill up there to do some kind of state of the union address and not just pump out BS. Own up to the problems and offer solutions instead of excuses. A shake up would be nice though.
- Don't jack ticket prices if the on field product doesn't justify it. They did that through all the early ugly years and are doing it again. Team should earn that increase. Them spending foolishly and failing is something they should eat, not us.
- Engage the fanbase again. Not sure why they decided to go AWOL now but now there is only pointless social media trash; fashion pics, few training pics, & a few "clever" one liners here and there. They abandoned the whole community aspect they used to have and instead just used it for marketing rather than actually getting out to the people.
- Not a deal breaker but safe standing has been promised for about 5 years and nothing. Now silence on it and everything else practically.
- Not to beat the drum of cheapness but teams like Atlanta do offer value in their food menu. That in itself makes going more attractive than the gouging most teams, especially MLSE teams, do. I see some of it on Twitter where lower level teams in Europe are using food or beverage deals to get bums in seats. This would be a smart move.


TFC used to feel like a grassroots movement type thing; there was engagement, events, buzz and now it's really reverted to pure fringe sport level like lacrosse or rugby. If you aren't into it enough to go look for it, you won't find it and that kind of sums up how I feel the organization is viewing the fanbase now.

This 100%-when this is clear to the fans-you have to wonder how the club has become so out of touch.

I would like to see Manning out but I don't see it happening-but that he openly brags about his Italian transfermarket plan tells me he has no clue how to build a team and that he only cares about ticket sales. It's as if he missed the important part of the Italian celebration-the part where they won-does he think the fans would have been on the streets waving flags if Italy had lost?

I would like to see manning come out and explain why we don't have a third DP-if he can be front and centre for the big announcements then he can also be there to deliver the bad news.

I used to go to every game, drove my partner bat shit crazy planning summer vacations around the TFC home schedule but now the National are playing at Ontario place this summer same night as the MTL game. Since this team can't be bothered to show up against a rival why should I so I'll go see the National and I'll go watch Dan Mangan in the fall, I know I'll get value on those nights. I want to love this team, but it has some reflecting to do, and some work to do, but I don't think it has the self awareness to do it.