Match Day 8 - Atlanta @ TFC Saturday April 15 7:39pm - It's getting harder each day

[OgtheDim]

This is going to take a long time & I wonder what's mine


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKWyDX5eEEY&ab_channel=LilyRose

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Have at It People

[Mr. Inbetween]

:)

https://twitter.com/WDPhotography3/status/1645467191804821523

[Yuushalinsky]

last time against Atlanta, we basically just let them do whatever they want on their turf and came away with a point.

We're not going to do the same thing this time. right?

[SenorDingDong]

Insigne back - weather is warm.

If we play like we did in Nashville we can get a positive result. That was an excllent game (MB aside) for the team.

[OgtheDim]

And the weather..should..be better.

Vaguely summer patio like on Wednesday

[los sonadores]

Hopefully they’re training outside now. More time together, better training, better field conditions and better weather. Ambitious opponent. We should be able to see a little bit more what they can do.

[Stress]

Guzan out with a MCL tear. I assume Q will start in net for them which adds an interesting story line.

[OgtheDim]

Local Athletic journo suggests Diop will get the call.

[OgtheDim]

Announcers out - seems to be a Tuesday thing

https://twitter.com/MLS_PR/status/1645804859726401536

Keith Costigan & Maurice Edu (hey, welcome back to Toronto dude!)

So..Irish ex Sounder guy for play by play

&

Long ago TFC guy but was actually longer at the Union & then Fox weekly studio commentator while sometime Atlanta colour

[Canary10]

Has anyone seen any training ground photos to see if Insigne is in regular training?

[OgtheDim]

Has anyone seen any training ground photos to see if Insigne is in regular training?

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/1645816302810931202

[jloome]

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/1645816302810931202

I wonder if hedges broke a cheekbone or had a concussion or something.

[SenorDingDong]

Guzan out with a MCL tear. I assume Q will start in net for them which adds an interesting story line.

That's tough if true. Q is such a good guy.

[SenorDingDong]

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/1645816302810931202

What's wrong with VV?

Ugh.. this ain't looking good for returns of anyone.

[los sonadores]

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/1645816302810931202

jesus - that’s not sounding good. VV too?! Hope it’s some kind of training load management. Hedges might be concussion protocol?

[Canary10]

Have to think it's unlikely Insigne is back Saturday. Hope the rest are ok.

[MikeForbes]

Does Gutierrez have mono or maybe some post COVID issues? This is quite the lengthy illness he is dealing with.

[Ultra & Proud]

Does Gutierrez have mono or maybe some post COVID issues? This is quite the lengthy illness he is dealing with.
I was thinking this because it's so long but it could also be a staph infection or something that is risky to the other players in training.

[jloome]

Does Gutierrez have mono or maybe some post COVID issues? This is quite the lengthy illness he is dealing with.

Bob said he was "starting to regain weight" the last time he talked about it, so it was probably something like mono or a gastro infection.

[jloome]

I guess we have to trust that he just isn't showing enough, but I would like to see Peruzza get a start.

[Ultra & Proud]

I guess we have to trust that he just isn't showing enough, but I would like to see Peruzza get a start.
Or at least come on in the second half instead of Akinola. At least 25 minutes to show something because we're not going to get anything from Akinola anyway. At least Peruzza could run & press.

[SenorDingDong]

jesus - that’s not sounding good. VV too?! Hope it’s some kind of training load management. Hedges might be concussion protocol?

Apparently Insigne worked out on his own earlier in the day today. But if we don't see him training with the squad over the next few days then there's no chance he's back Saturday.

[MikeForbes]

Bob said he was "starting to regain weight" the last time he talked about it, so it was probably something like mono or a gastro infection.

I had mono when I was either 16 or 17 and it laid me up from school for atleast two weeks. It is definitely the sickest I have ever been (luckily) in my life.

[los sonadores]

Be interesting to hear the injury/training updates today. I think we need the three points out of this one to keep us properly above the playoff line.

[Mr. Inbetween]

TFC has experienced a lot these past few years. Got to shake off a bit of the Cheesy Rat Blues mentality. Need that... Ooh La La/Ah, Oui Oui... match statement. Need to turn the corner. Need to instead Run The Jewels on ATLUTD.


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[jloome]

Be interesting to hear the injury/training updates today. I think we need the three points out of this one to keep us properly above the playoff line.

We need a striker, badly. Even with Insgine back.

We're last in MLS in touches in the opponent's box.

[los sonadores]

We need a striker, badly. Even with Insgine back.

We're last in MLS in touches in the opponent's box.

I noticed that little stat. Maybe not surprising. Let’s see how Diomande does (when he’s back). Based on our play last season with the Italians a really good striker was always going to be essential.

At least we’re 11th out of 29 in goals.

[ElvistheEvilScotsman]

At least we’re 11th out of 29 in goals.

Yikes! That doesn’t say much for the quality of MLS. One of our best strikers has the last name Wind. 🤣

[Ultra & Proud]

We need a striker, badly. Even with Insgine back.

We're last in MLS in touches in the opponent's box.

Speaks to the hopelessness of Akinola and Kerr not being a real forward. A lot of his touches are far way from the box. Maybe Diomande can help with this but I doubt it.

[jloome]

Atlanta papers say Q will be starting against us.

[MikeForbes]

Giving Ayo Akinola that u-22 spot fresh off a torn ACL continues to be an awful decision.

[los sonadores]

Yikes! That doesn’t say much for the quality of MLS. One of our best strikers has the last name Wind. 🤣

Apparently goals in MLS are way down this year. Maybe it’s the higher spending on defensive players but it’s quite marked.

[los sonadores]

Atlanta papers say Q will be starting against us.

That should be interesting. i wonder if he’s regained his form? Last year was especially bad for him between our lamentable defence, the new manager and covid and family problems.

For me he is one of the brightest and most admirably upstanding players we’ve had. The Paris upbringing with a playwright father was not the usual football player profile.

[Mr. Inbetween]

https://twitter.com/WakingtheRed/status/1646621460541190145

[OgtheDim]

So with no Lorenzo Insigne and Atlanta here Saturday I'm assuming we would be happy with another tie?

Nah, the team that played decent the second half of last week's game is at home in this one. Atlanta is missing a midfield cog due to a red card & I'm not sure Westberg is an upgrade on Guzan.

Our passing will be crisper due to it being on grass & we should be able to cover their side attacks fairly well.

[los sonadores]

https://twitter.com/WakingtheRed/status/1646621460541190145

Not looking good. Neither for touches in the box, the final third or goals.

[OgtheDim]

No subway between St. Clair West & St. Andrew stations.

The King Car runs along King from Dundas West station then up to Queen via Shaw St then onto River Street before it hits Broadview.

King buses running from Exhibition Loop up Bathurst to King then along to Broadside.

i.e. If you are coming in from the NW, make your way down to the Green line then over to Dundas West then streetcar over.

[FootBallAZ]

Queen and bay to queen yonge no cars due to construction 4 years

[Webdogg]

No subway between St. Clair West & St. Andrew stations.

The King Car runs along King from Dundas West station then up to Queen via Shaw St then onto River Street before it hits Broadview.

King buses running from Exhibition Loop up Bathurst to King then along to Broadside.

i.e. If you are coming in from the NW, make your way down to the Green line then over to Dundas West then streetcar over.

Thanks.
First game in BMO for me this year if all goes well. Was @ DC and @ Nashville so I’ll probably quickly remember why I hate commuting in TO

[bald eagle]

Nah, the team that played decent the second half of last week's game is at home in this one. Atlanta is missing a midfield cog due to a red card & I'm not sure Westberg is an upgrade on Guzan.

Our passing will be crisper due to it being on grass & we should be able to cover their side attacks fairly well.
I hope you're right, our expected goals against according to footy stats is 1.48 while our actual is 1.00 which means our opponents have not been clinical near our goal or our keeper is standing on his head either or we cannot sustain this all year, with Hedges out, I am a little concerned about Saturday night.

[los sonadores]

I hope you're right, our expected goals against according to footy stats is 1.48 while our actual is 1.00 which means our opponents have not been clinical near our goal or our keeper is standing on his head either or we cannot sustain this all year, with Hedges out, I am a little concerned about Saturday night.

At least McNaughten and Rosted will have had the week to train together and they looked okay in Nashville. We might not have the same dynamic of one getting forward and the other staying back as with Hedges but they should sort out some sort of workable balance. It’s good for our 3rd CB to get some minutes and overall I think he shows some promise.

[ag futbol]

Thanks.
First game in BMO for me this year if all goes well. Was @ DC and @ Nashville so I’ll probably quickly remember why I hate commuting in TO
Travelling in Europe right now and without naming countries specifically, some places in North America we’d consider “very behind Canada” in so many ways have transportation systems that put us to shame.

Amazing what you can do when your society can actually execute on an infrastructure project or two cost effectively and policy isn’t entirely blunted by developers and suburbanites who must drive in their car downtown like it’s 1920.

[los sonadores]

Travelling in Europe right now and without naming countries specifically, some places in North America we’d consider “very behind Canada” in so many ways have transportation systems that put us to shame.

Amazing what you can do when you’re society can actually execute on an infrastructure project or two cost effectively and policy isn’t entirely blunted by developers and suburbanites who must drive in their car downtown like it’s 1920.

So true. Although I’ll offer that 1920 was peaceful. It wasn’t until 1954/55 that the sleepy two lane dirt road by the Exhibition Grounds became a highway (Lakeshore Blvd). The Gardiner too…those roads we are currently spending 1.2 Billion to fix. (Let’s hope we elect a mayor that cancels that wasteful plan).

The suburbs too were farm land in 1920. That was all post war stuff.

[los sonadores]

From the Atlanta blog:

“The actual training that Gonzalo Pineda reserved for Tuesday’s session was also a bit more nuanced. Specifically, it was more tactical in nature and he kindly asked that media doesn’t report on the finer points of how they were preparing for Toronto. In short, creativity in the final third and build-up play were topics of the day, and polishing up certain mistakes was key.”

[Kamp Berg]

Travelling in Europe right now and without naming countries specifically, some places in North America we’d consider “very behind Canada” in so many ways have transportation systems that put us to shame.

Amazing what you can do when your society can actually execute on an infrastructure project or two cost effectively and policy isn’t entirely blunted by developers and suburbanites who must drive in their car downtown like it’s 1920.


So true. Although I’ll offer that 1920 was peaceful. It wasn’t until 1954/55 that the sleepy two lane dirt road by the Exhibition Grounds became a highway (Lakeshore Blvd). The Gardiner too…those roads we are currently spending 1.2 Billion to fix. (Let’s hope we elect a mayor that cancels that wasteful plan).

The suburbs too were farm land in 1920. That was all post war stuff.

If interested, check out the movie ‘Requiem for Detroit’. It’s all about how car culture started in Detroit. Not much of a spoiler, but it’s amazing how much racism is tied into the fabric of American culture.

[leedsandTFC]

I hope you're right, our expected goals against according to footy stats is 1.48 while our actual is 1.00 which means our opponents have not been clinical near our goal or our keeper is standing on his head either or we cannot sustain this all year, with Hedges out, I am a little concerned about Saturday night.

https://twitter.com/aldocomi/status/1646548800918667265

not sure what footy stats uses but other sites have it completely different, this one has it as a lil under 1.2 xG for and around 1 xGA.

eye test also feels like SJ hasnt been standing on his head and we've been limiting big chances fairly well.

MLS Eastern Conference: 2023 vs. 2022 in terms of xG created and conceded per game.Top winners (on xG diff.): Toronto (+.58) Cincy (+.56) Columbus (+.56)

[Mr. Inbetween]

Guzan out with a MCL tear. I assume Q will start in net for them which adds an interesting story line.


Local Athletic journo suggests Diop will get the call.


That's tough if true. Q is such a good guy.


Atlanta papers say Q will be starting against us.

FWIW follow-up…

https://twitter.com/DougRobersonAJC/status/1646646284105785344

[OgtheDim]

Q stopping a Berna penalty at the south end.....going to name it now so it doesn't happen :)

[ensco]

If Q is starting...

first of all, I hope he gets a nice welcome for what he did for us in 2019, especially stopping that PK in Atlanta

second of all, can someone get a goal over top of him? that drove me crazy when that happened here, which seemed like it happended constantly the last couple of years.. I just don't think elite keepers can exist anymore given skill level of shooters in better leagues, when they are Q's height. So many are so good at getting "english" on kicks so that the ball is up and over a keeper like Q, but is still on net...

This is the one I remember in particular (go to the 3 minute mark) https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/san-jose-earthquakes-2-toronto-fc-2-2020-mls-match-recap

[Canary10]

Molinaro tweeted Insigne is training with the team. Maybe a chance still.

[jloome]

If Q is starting...

first of all, I hope he gets a nice welcome for what he did for us in 2019, especially stopping that PK in Atlanta

second of all, can someone get a goal over top of him? that drove me crazy when that happened here, which seemed like it happended constantly the last couple of years.. I just don't think elite keepers can exist anymore given skill level of shooters in better leagues, when they are Q's height. So many are so good at getting "english" on kicks so that the ball is up and over a keeper like Q, but is still on net...

This is the one I remember in particular (go to the 3 minute mark) https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/san-jose-earthquakes-2-toronto-fc-2-2020-mls-match-recap

Heh heh, this is the nicer version of what I originally wrote, then deleted for being harsh, which was, "Q's awesome, but the dude is old and short. Shoot early, shoot often."

[Mr. Inbetween]

^/^^/^^^

Maybe Lolo with an ‘o tir a gir’?

[Mr. Inbetween]

Ok…

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/1646921526640271394

[jloome]

Atlanta blog says they're moving towards more high pressing regularly and we probably have that ugliness to look forward to. Oh joy.

[Mr. Inbetween]

Lolo follow-up… looking good…

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1646924555888508931

[Mr. Inbetween]

Atlanta blog says they're moving towards more high pressing regularly and we probably have that ugliness to look forward to. Oh joy.

Is Thiago playing/injured for them?

[Richard]

If all Insigne can play is a few minutes then I rather he not play at all. Put him on the bench for mind games, and that's it.

I rather he come back 100% for 60 min.

[jloome]

Is Thiago playing/injured for them?

He's playing but Ibarra, their DM, is out with a red.

[bald eagle]

https://twitter.com/aldocomi/status/1646548800918667265

not sure what footy stats uses but other sites have it completely different, this one has it as a lil under 1.2 xG for and around 1 xGA.

eye test also feels like SJ hasnt been standing on his head and we've been limiting big chances fairly well.

MLS Eastern Conference: 2023 vs. 2022 in terms of xG created and conceded per game.Top winners (on xG diff.): Toronto (+.58) Cincy (+.56) Columbus (+.56)
Yeah not sure myself, but just took another look at FootyStats and it shows Toronto expected goals at 0.91 and expected goals against at 1.48 and you are right SJ hasn't really stood on his head so it means our opponents haven't found their scoring touch just yet. Hope Hedges does not miss to much time.

[Mr. Inbetween]

If all Insigne can play is a few minutes then I rather he not play at all. Put him on the bench for mind games, and that's it.

I rather he come back 100% for 60 min.

A good point. I actually didn’t expect him back until the end of April. Groins are tricky. Caution is best. Unless he has been good-to-go’d by the specialist/s.

[Bushmancan]

How did the bar selection work out?

[jloome]

Thiago Almada now listed as questionable for tomorrow after not training this week.

Fingers crossed, boys!

[Canary10]

Does anyone park at Ontario Place and walk over? Just wondering if that's any easier than parking at the Ex near BMO Field. I've never parked at Ontario Place before.

[andyc]

Does anyone park at Ontario Place and walk over? Just wondering if that's any easier than parking at the Ex near BMO Field. I've never parked at Ontario Place before.

I used to do it a couple of years ago regularly. Easier to get in and out unless there is a concert. This year it's more expensive than the Ex near BMO so I haven't bothered.

[Canary10]

I used to do it a couple of years ago regularly. Easier to get in and out unless there is a concert. This year it's more expensive than the Ex near BMO so I haven't bothered.

Thanks. Looks like it's $5.00 more.

[Mr. Inbetween]

What's wrong with VV? Ugh.. this ain't looking good for returns of anyone.

Seems VV is not getting along with Fede and so has decided to step away from the club while considering all options… :)

<EDIT> Mea culpa, a poor attempt at levity; apology!

https://twitter.com/Mls_Turkce/status/1642278719749226496

[jloome]

Seems VV is not getting along with Fede and so has decided to step away from the club while considering all options… :)

https://twitter.com/Mls_Turkce/status/1642278719749226496

For anyone else who spent five minutes trying to figure out where the problem was here, this was a joke.

[los sonadores]

For anyone else who spent five minutes trying to figure out where the problem was here, this was a joke.

Thanks for the tip, I’ll spare myself the search!

Hah, maybe it’s best we all assume that nothing is wrong at TFC. After all, there is no indication that there is anything much wrong. Maybe come summer if we’re not winning… but at the moment (and this is not at all directed toward you but to everybody in general) the perception of things being wrong is probably a consequence of the usual fan distance from the actual, everyday work at the club. We know very little. Yes, we have no GAM, we need a striker, etc. but compared to our beloved sister nation club, the limp act/the club foot, one can see what’s wrong all the way from English Canada.

[jloome]

Thanks for the tip, I’ll spare myself the search!

Hah, maybe it’s best we all assume that nothing is wrong at TFC. After all, there is no indication that there is anything much wrong. Maybe come summer if we’re not winning… but at the moment (and this is not at all directed toward you but to everybody in general) the perception of things being wrong is probably a consequence of the usual fan distance from the actual, everyday work at the club. We know very little. Yes, we have no GAM, we need a striker, etc. but compared to our beloved sister nation club, the limp act/the club foot, one can see what’s wrong all the way from English Canada.

I'd like to think eventually the offensive end clicks.

Watching LAFC in league and ccl over the last few weeks, it's so obviously Bradley Ball. Like, their buildup style is identical to ours. They're just great at it.

[CBTFC]

On one hand, I'm glad it's going to be pleasant weather conditions for the game this evening, however on the other hand it will probably be used as justification by MLS/Apple/MLSE for front loading us with March and April home games.

In any case, I'll be there in jersey tank top , shorts and sandals

[SenorDingDong]

Insigne just posted a photo of him in training this morning saying "READY" and then posted the match details.

I now think its 99% likely we see him tonight. C'mon TFC, C'mon!

[Yuushalinsky]

At home for this one, lads. Caught a couple sniffles and pawned off the tickets, COYR

[Mr. Inbetween]

MatchDay! A glorious day? To start, according to EC, 21 to 17 C, sunny and clear for match time…

[Red CB Toronto]

Going to be a beautiful day in the city, looking forward to taking in the Reds and Jays with this warm weather. Will be great to see Lorenzo back in the 18 and hopefully getting a run out.

[Mr. Inbetween]

An ATLUTD perspective…

[URL]https://twitter.com/ZacAttack41/status/1647263790583431169

[Mr. Inbetween]

Meh?

https://twitter.com/PROreferees/status/1647239625625272320

[Kamp Berg]

Meh?

https://twitter.com/PROreferees/status/1647239625625272320

Hopefully Atlanta pisses Unkel off and he takes it out on them!

[jloome]

Hopefully Atlanta pisses Unkel off and he takes it out on them!

I like Unkel. Don't always agree and he's fooled a little easily like most PRO refs, so defenders are at a disadvantage. But he brooks no shit.

Nice day, no Almada, no Ibarra, possible Insigne citing....

Come on You REDS!

[Kamp Berg]

I like Unkel. Don't always agree and he's fooled a little easily like most PRO refs, so defenders are at a disadvantage. But he brooks no shit.

Nice day, no Almada, no Ibarra, possible Insigne citing....

Come on You REDS!

I agree, I was being a little sarcastic because he doesn’t seem to have patience with bullshit or whining.

[CBTFC]

On one hand, I'm glad it's going to be pleasant weather conditions for the game this evening, however on the other hand it will probably be used as justification by MLS/Apple/MLSE for front loading us with March and April home games.

In any case, I'll be there in jersey tank top , shorts and sandals

Correction on the attire. The evening forecast just saw Dropped a few degrees, so that means it'll be a bit cooler than that even.

[MikeForbes]

Excited to see Insigne back. That said, if we are winning going into the last 15 minutes, give him the extra week to recover.

[Mr. Inbetween]

For those not attending the match or haven’t subscribed to AMLSSP, I believe this match may not be paywalled; is free to watch. Others are welcomed to please confirm. :)

[noxx98]

Holy shit Bob benched Michael.

[Graeme]

Bradley and Insigne on the bench. Peruzza gets the start!

[MikeForbes]

Michael on the bench? Kevin Garnett once told me that anything is possible. Even Jordan Perruzza playing MLS minutes.

[Richard]

Shoutout to Killbaine/De Guzman and TSN. All it took was for them to not be the majority holder of TV rights.

[Amir.]

bob bradley will have to act fast if players are not playing well and send in bradley and insigne in the second to get that win...lets go

[jloome]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtyiQOnakAAmV0y?format=jpg&name=small

Well, he's clearly seeing how they can do. Excellent.

[Yuushalinsky]

the world's ending, Bob benched Michael

but this may be the turnign point

[MikeForbes]

In non-Bradley news, very intrigued to see how Rosted deals with being the one to organize the backline. Hedges has been so good as the leader back there.

[oranje boven]

I don’t see MB warming up with the subs…

[oranje boven]

Unless he grew hair…

[MikeForbes]

I don’t see MB warming up with the subs…

Keep us posted. They wouldn't list him if he was injured and confirmed to be not playing.

[Areathrasher]

For those not attending the match or haven’t subscribed to AMLSSP, I believe this match may not be paywalled; is free to watch. Others are welcomed to please confirm. :)

How do you watch for free? I thoughy you still needed an Apple TV sub?

[jloome]

How do you watch for free? I thoughy you still needed an Apple TV sub?

No, you can just download their windows or android apps, or go through the apple tv website.

[ronzilla]

It also works on Windows desktop.

[FiveThreeTwo]

Kind of excited to see what this midfield can do. A lot younger, a bit more pace and might be able to provide overall more youth and sandpaper to this atlanta squad then with MB4 in the lineup. Despite the conversations in here, never thought i'd see him sat over a youth or young guns, unless its medical/managing minutes because of a strain.

Cautiously optimistic Servania/oso/alonso can click and get some good ball movement and kaye can find his vibe out there on the pitch. Lets see how it goes!

[JoesphNdo]

They need to do a way better job making it clear nearly half the games are straight up 100% no sub required free for anyone

Also holy shit. I am shocked by Michael not starting. Fair play, bob.

[Areathrasher]

No, you can just download their windows or android apps, or go through the apple tv website.
Sweet. Cheers

[JoesphNdo]

Think MLS 360 is free every week, that's the goal rush style show. So there's always at least some way to follow the match

[MikeForbes]

A DP striker can do things like that? Weird.

[Amir.]

johnson with one of his typical blunders and its almost 2-0

[MikeForbes]

Struggling with their high press.

[MikeForbes]

Smart set piece strategy by TFC. Crowding a small keeper like Westberg and not allowing him to see the delivery and flight of the ball.

[Amir.]

bad positioning and decision making by kaye in the offensive half and almost turns into a goal at the other end...typical type of play where bradley was wrongly blamed

[noxx98]

Unkel having an absolute shocker of a game

[Amir.]

Laa-yay 1-1

[spe18]

Almost like a wonder goal for laryea!

[Yuushalinsky]

really clever by Peruzza to pull off some of those defenders just for a second

[Amir.]

these touches by osorio the dp...

[MikeForbes]

Richie is either a DP or gone. A very interesting story to follow heading towards July. What a goal

[Yuushalinsky]

Can we buy a Giorgio Giakoumakis please? Thanks. A guy like that on this team...

[Oldtimer]

Richie is either a DP or gone. A very interesting story to follow heading towards July. What a goal

He knew Q's tendency to commit and took advantage of it. Brilliant goal.

[Oldtimer]

the world's ending, Bob benched Michael

but this may be the turnign point

Props to him. Michael would be too slow to handle Atlanta's speed.

[MikeForbes]

A very vague Michael Bradley update.

https://twitter.com/NeilMDavidson/status/1647396618847633408?s=20

[Yuushalinsky]

Interesting sub off - Coello wasn't painful but he wasn't very visible, maybe JMR's feeling something powerful today.

[jloome]

Once we began moving the ball more quickly we were a lot more effective.

Great shot from Richie, caught Q flat footed.

Peruzza did okay. He's a little late to make his first move to be the offside line, which frustrated Fede a few times.

Positively, he was involved and better on the press thank Akinola or Kerr.

[jloome]

Tactical shift to put Osorio inside.

[Amir.]

coello who wasnt good is pulled for rutty...akinola in for translator...looks like osorio drops to mid with rutty at wing and kaye central

[jloome]

Giakoumakis pulled a hammy or groin.

[Amir.]

the greek is gone

[Yuushalinsky]

ok that is peak fashion to wear your cardigan like that. Props to ATL's coach.

[Yuushalinsky]

Akinola's snakebit. And off side.

[MikeForbes]

Classic Ayo being both offside and completely muffing his shot on goal.

[Amir.]

osorio mistake almost turns into a goal...ideally shouldnt play midfield

[Yuushalinsky]

Positive is JMR is definitely looking better and more ready for this level. He'll be starting next year hopefully and getting a lot more time this year.

[jloome]

We need to wake up. Need a sub. Now.

[OgtheDim]

We need to wake up. Need a sub. Now.

Bradley for whom?

[Amir.]

if bradley cant play bring insigne for servania or osorio and play him mid to connect better with forwards and he knows how to defend properly...servania is losing too many balls

[noxx98]

Bradley for whom?
I don't think Bradley's warmed up at all. Doubt we see him.

Kerr and Insigne are really the only sub options that could help us.

[MikeForbes]

If only we had a 14 million dollar DP who could come on... Hmm.

[noxx98]

whatever

[MikeForbes]

Goddammit.

[notthesun]

Why did McNaughton try to block that shot...

[noxx98]

Why can't we have nice things?

[MikeForbes]

Are we seriously gonna bring on one DP and lose the other?

[tfcfans]

It’s almost comical how the two DPs won’t play together for pretty much the entire season so far….what a surprise how that affects results overall…..

[MikeForbes]

Bernie trying to take over.

[Phil744]

Time to move on from Bob and Bill.

[MikeForbes]

Ayo Akinola try and do something challenge. Impossible?

[noxx98]

Ayo Akinola try and do something challenge. Impossible?
Well he tried something... and it was stupid.

[notthesun]

Ayo Akinola try and do something challenge. Impossible?

He's done I fear. Different player before and after the ACL tear, it's a shame.

[MikeForbes]

Servaniiiiiiiaaaaaa

[jloome]

Heartstopper.

[tfcfans]

Well - I guess that’s a good tie ?! :rolleyes:

[Amir.]

what a collective play and finish by servania...congrats to the team...now insigne back should get better

[jloome]

Call us Picassos, 'cos we are good at drawing.

[noxx98]

Saved a point there. Insigne back and looking good. Berna did well. Summer of Perruzza starting.

Still a WIP to show that this team has the necessary cohesiveness. We take the point.

[MikeForbes]

JMR was so good after he came in.

[Yuushalinsky]

I'm mad. We should have the win but it's another two points dropped. This team is starting to look decent though.

[stevep]

JMR was so good after he came in.

We’re we watching the same game?
He didn’t close down on the player on the cross that led to the goal

[FiveThreeTwo]

nice, about time we flip the script and take some late game points. Now that Insigne is back, and assuming he can get slowly brought back up to match fitness - it will be interesting how things go from here on the field. Bernadeschi was basically the lone 'guy' out there and is used to getting the ball... alot... as chemistry has grown in the squad this season. How is that going to change now that insigne is out there, who's gonna want the ball as much or more? Might see Berna adapting with frustration over a couple games with less ball, but that's a good problem to have I guess. Hopefully not tho, and Berna/Laryea are allowed to continue building the ball into the zone- cause they finally seem to be really clicking and growing into each other now. Hopefully we can start building some wins now.

[jloome]

We’re we watching the same game?
He didn’t close down on the player on the cross that led to the goal

They switched cover; Chol peeled off inside and Petretta had to cover him, so JMR wasn't close enough to block the cross.

He was generally very good.

[jloome]

LOL, MLS parity? Right now, seven of nine matches so far are ties.

[DavemTFC]

I couldn't resist looking this up, the all-time record for ties in the regular season is 18 and we're already a third of the way there

[Auzzy]

I thought Ted Unkel was dreadful. Multiple tackles through the back not called in favour of Toronto, incl a few in very dangerous positions. Meanwhile he called some weaker fouls of a similar nature in favour of Atlanta.

TFC did quite well overall. We desperately need a striker, and Peruzza needs a running coach. But it's a bit scary how well Atlanta did, considering how many of their best players were missing.

[ronzilla]

Good to see a goal scored in open play without Fede/Laryea involved.

Minutes away from a loss, so a draw is a good outcome. I'll take it.

Should Insigne play 60+ minutes next week, anything less than a win is unacceptable. It's all on Bob.

[stevep]

They switched cover; Chol peeled off inside and Petretta had to cover him, so JMR wasn't close enough to block the cross.

He was generally very good.
I left at 90 minutes to escape the tunnel so I missed his nice pass that led to the tying goal. Lol
That was a nice play. Haha you could be right

[benito]

What were tfc arguing with the ref after the tying goal and post game?? Fede seemed very heated and was being held back.

[TFC1986]

Another minute of gameplay should have happened. I assume TFC got the ball back and whistle was blown perhaps?


What were tfc arguing with the ref after the tying goal and post game?? Fede seemed very heated and was being held back.

[ensco]

What were tfc arguing with the ref after the tying goal and post game?? Fede seemed very heated and was being held back.

I just got back. Was hoping to find out what that was about.

At the final whistle, Laryea started going completely nuts in trying to engage a linesman about something, and chased down and made physical contact with the linesman (which I fear may have consequences).

Kaye and Fede were also very agitated, and there was a scrum of TFC players, the refs, and some others that went on for a good 3 or 4 minutes.

I am telling you, our guys were REALLY heated.

————

One thing for sure: they were not happy with Unkel, both for how he didn’t make some calls, and also because he was allowing persistent fouling without showing a yellow, especially on Fede. But what happened at the end must have had some sort of other cause that I did not see.

[Yuushalinsky]

I just got back. Was hoping to find out what that was about.

At the final whistle, Laryea started going completely nuts in trying to engage a linesman about something, and chased down and made physical contact with the linesman (which I fear may have consequences).

Kaye and Fede were also very agitated, and there was a scrum of TFC players, the refs, and some others that went on for a good 3 or 4 minutes.

I am telling you, our guys were REALLY heated.

If I was TFC during that match, I'd be pretty heated too - that first half was shambolic from the refs from the sheer number of memorable missed calls.

[JoesphNdo]

I think it may have been due to time not being added on? I saw Berna immediately start pointing to his wrist and shouting at the referee as soon as the celebrations were over, before he blew for full time. So they were already heated about that

Of course injury time in soccer is an arbitrary, made up as we go along mess and needs to be fixed, but that's another rant for another day

[Smokecell]

Fede appeared to shove someone (Oso?) but definitely a teammate. He was heated

[ensco]

I think it may have been due to time not being added on? I saw Berna immediately start pointing to his wrist and shouting at the referee as soon as the celebrations were over, before he blew for full time. So they were already heated about that

Of course injury time in soccer is an arbitrary, made up as we go along mess and needs to be fixed, but that's another rant for another day

I thought Laryea went full braveheart there in a way that way exceeded a player of his stature complaining about how injury time was handled. He made contact with the linesman.

[los sonadores]

No surprise that Coello is not ready to replace MB. Maybe in time, maybe not (he’s not especially a 6 but then neither is Micheal). Also, the much hoped for midfield without Bradley was not so great.

I thought it was smart to put JMR on the wing and get Osorio properly into the midfield. He’s going to play there eventually and we certainly want Insigne in that position.

We’re going to really miss Layrea.

Nice to see Servania and JMR save the day! Fingers crossed for Diomande because, man, we’re desperate for a striker.

Should have won, almost lost and so the draw is a consolation. But we need to start winning soon. We retain the last playoff spot but I doubt a draw next week will have the same effect.

[613reppingTFC]

It also looked like the ref showed someone a yellow (might have been Kaye) after the whistle and that scrum that was going on

Edit: also Bernardeschi now has 4 yellow cards

[Gringo Starr]

I can’t believe I had to miss the game and this is the one Perruzza finally gets minutes- did the kid look okay?

[Smokecell]

I can’t believe I had to miss the game and this is the one Perruzza finally gets minutes- did the kid look okay?

In a word - No

[ensco]

That game was a lot of fun, seeing both teams press was entaining, the goals were all of high caliber, and it has been years since we got a result at the death.

I am just left with a sense of unease about what happened after the whistle.

[jloome]

I can’t believe I had to miss the game and this is the one Perruzza finally gets minutes- did the kid look okay?

He made a good dummy run on Richie's goal to pull one of the defenders off him.

He wasn't terrible but he didn't really do anything. He tried to make a few parallel line runs to beat the last man but his timing was poor, and he was always going a step late for Fede to look for him.

His pressing defensively was quite good, better than Akinola's. Neither could hold the ball up high, which is what I think Bob wanted.

Neither looked ready.

[jloome]

That game was a lot of fun, seeing both teams press was entaining, the goals were all of high caliber, and it has been years since we got a result at the death.

I am just left with a sense of unease about what happened after the whistle.

I thought Fede grabbed Oso's arm and shook it, because he was pissed off the whistle was blown early and wanted Oso to say something to the Ref, as Oso was wearing the armband tonight.

They cut away on the TV shot at that point, but a few seconds later, there was a clear shot of Oso talking to Unkel from about an inch away.

There were too many marginal fouls against us let go tonight; then we had the momentum after the goal, and should have about a minute forty left to play, but Unkel called it early.

[Mr. Inbetween]

He made a good dummy run on… He wasn't terrible but he didn't really do anything… a step late for Fede to look for him… His pressing defensively was quite good…

IMHO, think he deserves another chance; not worse than Akinola. Though for now Kerr just edges out both these CF’s.

[Yohan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpg3CJ-Z3uM&amp;ab_channel=MajorLeagueSoccer

[ag futbol]

Didn’t get to watch much of this one. My antidotal observation is that Rosted needs that organizer next to him to play at the highest level. But also ATL have a great DP striker and that was a quality goal and run.

Osorio will forever be the guy forced to play 5 different positions that people needlessly shit on. There are basically 2 roles in midfield he plays best and that’s ideally where he should be playing. The lack of a back up for LI on the left side is sort of glaring. We should have someone who can play there.

Otherwise, seems like the team is very frustrated below the surface. Let’s be honest, they have to know these ties at home are a real killer if they want to keep pace in the league.

[CBTFC]

Looking at the Eastern Conference standings, there are no real dominant teams. Only 8 points separates us and New England.

Still early days yet, steady as she goes.

[ensco]

I get the Fede/Oso clock thing. I am talking about something different.

I cannot ever remember being at a game where I saw a player (Laryea) go absolutely nuts, chase a lineman who is almost running away from him, catch the linesman, jostle him, I immediately think “omg Laryea just got a suspension”… and nobody else seems to have seen it anywhere.

Just looked on twitter, nothing there. Anybody else see this? Am I imagining this? I only had one beer…

[Canary10]

I was in the parking lot for the tying goal, trying to get my seven year old home before the rush. Bummed about that but at least we heard the cheers.

Glad we pulled it out. But damn fhere is really something missing on this team. Our play is so vertical. All up and down. Very little sideways. No recycling the ball around. No patterns being run. Totally reliant on mistakes or individual brilliance, like Richie’s goal. Big improvements at the back but would be nice to see some progress in possession.

[Bushmancan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpg3CJ-Z3uM&amp;ab_channel=MajorLeagueSoccer


Thanks for this but what a joke that recap was… it was like the Atlanta Fan Channel, oh with 2 Toronto goals. We had 53% possession, 11 (4) Shots On Goal to the 10 (5) and looks like we saw everyone. It shows absolutely no disputed calls, PRO must love that. You would think Atlanta dominated the game from this recap, I am not saying we did either, but wow. Now i have to go rewatch some of the game again, to see if i was biased on thinking we were chopped down a significant amount.

Also they focussed on Chol coming into the game at the 60th minute, but the nothing on Giokoumakis going down or Insigne coming in at the 75 minute, those are the big MLS implications…imho

[ensco]

I was in the parking lot for the tying goal, trying to get my seven year old home before the rush. Bummed about that but at least we heard the cheers.

Glad we pulled it out. But damn fhere is really something missing on this team. Our play is so vertical. All up and down. Very little sideways. No recycling the ball around. No patterns being run. Totally reliant on mistakes or individual brilliance, like Richie’s goal. Big improvements at the back but would be nice to see some progress in possession.

Yeah I do this regularly. Staying for the last two minutes can cost you 20 or 30 minutes.

Easy to see why you left. I don’t think TFC has pulled something out in stoppage time in many years, before last night. This is the last one I remember…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QQTNQK2VxUY

[ensco]

Thanks for this but what a joke that recap was… it was like the Atlanta Fan Channel, oh with 2 Toronto goals. We had 53% possession, 11 (4) Shots On Goal to the 10 (5) and looks like we saw everyone. It shows absolutely no disputed calls, PRO must love that. You would think Atlanta dominated the game from this recap, I am not saying we did either, but wow. Now i have to go rewatch some of the game again, to see if i was biased on thinking we were chopped down a significant amount.

Also they focussed on Chol coming into the game at the 60th minute, but the nothing on Giokoumakis going down or Insigne coming in at the 75 minute, those are the big MLS implications…imho

I thought Atlanta were the better team on the night. In terms of good chances, I thought the count was 7-4 Atlanta, or similar. They got the last ball into dangerous positions more often than we did (this is another way of stating the Akinola/Perruzza problem, really).

They were also better organized overall. They are really good, even shorthanded, and I think getting 2 points from the two games we have played against them is great.

[ensco]

We have had a lot of heroball from Fede and Richie. Like the first goal. Pretty but not, all by itself, a sign of sustainable team success.

The late tying goal was a breakthough because it was a team goal.

To see it go Rosted to Insigne to Oso to JMR to Servania, bang bang bang bang bang, knowing that there were only seconds left and any foot put wrong was the end of it… against a well organized team… with each guy picking out the right next step without thinking… that was quality.

So thrilled not just by the result, but to see that.

[stevep]

My prediction. Tfc tickets are going to get more and more expensive as the season goes along and that crowds will be always around 28-30k every game baring terrible weather

[Canary10]

We have had a lot of heroball from Fede and Richie. Like the first goal. Pretty but not, all by itself, a sign of sustainable team success.

The late tying goal was a breakthough because it was a team goal.

To see it go Rosted to Insigne to Oso to JMR to Servania, bang bang bang bang bang, knowing that there were only seconds left and any foot put wrong was the end of it… against a well organized team… with each guy picking out the right next step without thinking… that was quality.

So thrilled not just by the result, but to see that.

Damn wish I had seen that. Lots to build on. And lots to worry about too!

[ensco]

Also on that last goal. The movement of both Servania and Ayo is perfect as the play develops. They both are lurking, careful not to break too early as it develops, then both break simultaneously, to opposite posts, just as JMR gets the ball, and JMR correctly picks out the man who has a half step on the defender. Textbook.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/video/goal-brandon-servania-toronto-fc-94th-minute#goal-brandon-servania-toronto-fc-94th-minute

I wonder if we should try Servania at striker, while we wait for summer.

[Bushmancan]

I thought Atlanta were the better team on the night. In terms of good chances, I thought the count was 7-4 Atlanta, or similar. They got the last ball into dangerous positions more often than we did (this is another way of stating the Akinola/Perruzza problem, really).

They were also better organized overall. They are really good, even shorthanded, and I think getting 2 points from the two games we have played against them is great.

Like i said, i am not saying we dominated but it was far more balanced, than the recap showed. For example, we carried the play from the 20–33 minute for sure and you don’t get a sense of that at all. There were three “contacts” in or around the box, etc. which being there live, felt iffy. The Servania one, might have been a flop but i don’t know (no replay even in the game recap), but there was contact in the box. So no pick up of that or Richie’s earlier for that matter. All you see are Atlanta’ s shots.

Now i think their striker, Giakoumakis was definitely a threat and tbh our two CBs played well, but we were missing Hedges. Let’s not forget for most of the match, we didn’t have Insigne and we had Oso playing out of position ,so we were short as well.

I do agree we are playing better and thats why with so many changes, it takes time to tell… Philly next week will be really interesting (they tied with the Fire).

[Yuushalinsky]

JMR breaking out would be a huge boon for this team.

[Mr. Inbetween]

For me, Servania seems a hustler/runner; with an engine like MB and a nose towards goal. His potential is exciting. With Lolo back in the lineup, as well as Michele, and now Alonso’s emergence to consider, it may be a way to get enough of what we need on the pitch for the short-term; until we get a consistent look at Adama or a new #9. BTW, FWIW, as an anecdote…

https://twitter.com/KULA1087/status/1647623432392024066

[Prof]

I thought the boys played well against a good team. As everyone is saying we need a stud striker, the midfield looked good without MB. Send Insigne packing to make this happen, he has been a Mista like flop.

[Mr. Inbetween]

We have had a lot of heroball from Fede… To see it go Rosted to Insigne to Oso to JMR to Servania, bang bang bang bang bang… that was quality… to see that.

Circling back a few weeks to Fede’s Olympico… fantastic goal. However, I recall during my youth, from the late 70’s or early 80’s that type of goal, at least in SerieA was not so infrequent. I believe some footballers even had a talent for it; specialized in it.

[nfitz]

My prediction. Tfc tickets are going to get more and more expensive as the season goes along and that crowds will be always around 28-30k every game baring terrible weather
On that note, I was just looking at Ticketmaster for the next three games and it appears the regular tickets are sold out - though there's a lot of resale tickets.

Oh wait, the Sunday game against Atlas is also showing sold out - there must be something wrong.

[CBTFC]

Realization I just had after watching the replay of our first goal.

We had a player shoot and score from outside the box. I like that.

[los sonadores]

I thought the boys played well against a good team. As everyone is saying we need a stud striker, the midfield looked good without MB. Send Insigne packing to make this happen, he has been a Mista like flop.

Don’t think it was as easy as that about the midfield. I thought our midfield was poor without MB for a lot of the first half. But in the 2nd half the midfield of Osorio, Kaye and Servania did look good.

A Mista-like flop? Stop with the dumb comments, man. He scored 1 in 2 last season plus many assists and was probably the best winger in the league. He’s had a hamstring and missed 6 matches but is back and should stay back. Do you actually remember watching Mista or where are you getting this stuff from?

[FootBallAZ]

This game has me uncertain how to feel. I am not happy with the draw but at the same type am so happy TFC managed to score from run of play in stoppage time- last time i remember this is OSO in Azteca?

The loss would have put pressure on BB- the fact servania scored makes me happy- as he is probably TFC unsung hero and shouldnt have come off as a sub last week before MB.

He is technically skilled, gifted and quick.

The first goal from ATL made TFC look very bad especially since TFC had a strong XI than ATL.

SJ- I am not happy with- yes he is way better than Bono- but that is the Bono effect and how bad he as.
- I am happy that he can stop the shots that are directed right towards him- happy he can command the back line better.

Unhappy that he hasnt provided a big save/timely save when needed (I can think of many times Westberg has done this) and no im not saying Westberg is better or preferred.

The shaky passing reminded me of bono and when he telegraphed his pass and hit the ATL player's head with the ball made me question him.


TFC really misses hedges - both goals of set pieces I believe were in the area were hedges would have been positioned.

Other glaring issue -is the fact a lot of goals against have been off set pieces and corners.

The other glaring issue is- TFC still cannot score from build until servania scored.

Richie's goal was a brilliant individual performance, just like last season goals with FB,LI and Crisito.

Richie showed some growth this game- the move down in the 18 yard back was awesome to see him adding a new wrinkle.
Also looks like he is learning from FB regarding how to tag bangers from outside the 18.

No comment really on peruzza and ayo.

McNaughton had some very bad giveaways- reminded me of the champions league game with bayern on tuesday.

I feel like the bad calls from the ref added to the atmosphere which was nice- felt like the team was feeding off that noise from 23-31st minute.


also had two missed runs on each wing around the 31st minute with both FB and RL being frustrated with the ball not being played.

Ayo - didnt look offside to me.

Chemistry between FB and LI is nice -looks like they are focusing on give and go no matter how close or far part they are on the field which is wonderful.

[Ultra & Proud]

SJ- I am not happy with- yes he is way better than Bono- but that is the Bono effect and how bad he as.
- I am happy that he can stop the shots that are directed right towards him- happy he can command the back line better.


I wasn't a super fan of his signing but to be fair, he stood on his head a few times already this season and had some big, big stops to prevent us from not drawing. He had an off game this past Saturday for sure.

[FootBallAZ]

I wasn't a super fan of his signing but to be fair, he stood on his head a few times already this season and had some big, big stops to prevent us from not drawing. He had an off game this past Saturday for sure.


yea im not fully upset since it hasnt it technically costed TFC any points. I recall he made a big save for the win we had and i think one draw.

I was hoping he would give us a bit more so far- but i am happy TFC has him over Bono/Westberg.

[los sonadores]

yea im not fully upset since it hasnt it technically costed TFC any points. I recall he made a big save for the win we had and i think one draw.

I was hoping he would give us a bit more so far- but i am happy TFC has him over Bono/Westberg.

I think he’s been good. The first genuinely solid keeper we’ve had in many seasons. To me it’s a big difference.

[Hala Hrvatska]

Don’t think it was as easy as that about the midfield. I thought our midfield was poor without MB for a lot of the first half. But in the 2nd half the midfield of Osorio, Kaye and Servania did look good.

A Mista-like flop? Stop with the dumb comments, man. He scored 1 in 2 last season plus many assists and was probably the best winger in the league. He’s had a hamstring and missed 6 matches but is back and should stay back. Do you actually remember watching Mista or where are you getting this stuff from?

Easy, no one's comments are "dumb", everyone is entitled to their opinions here.

[Hala Hrvatska]

Anyways, another 2 dropped points at home...so disappointing and another 2 goals given up at home.

Was very glad not to see MB play...the midfield finally didn't collapse in the second half and instead of blowing a lead late because of being gassed....we actually salvaged a point. I won't give any credit to BB for not playing his son though, as it was "injury" related.

So glad to see Insigne come back....need him up to full speed as soon as possible.

Need a striker badly.

Happy for JMR...and Servania too.

Golazzo from Richie...well hit and great run.

On we we go.

[jloome]

Easy, no one's comments are "dumb", everyone is entitled to their opinions here.

Saying someone's comment is dumb IS an opinion. I mean, it can be taken as insulting, but it's an opinion.

I have dumb opinions sometimes; so do you. People calling that out is not the same as calling the person a dummy. It's attacking an idea, not the individual.

It's also accurate in this case; mista scored one non-league goal in his entire season here. Insigne scored 6 in his first 11 appearances. It's a dumb comparison.

Having an opinion does not entitle someone to avoid all criticism, especially when that opinion is clearly groundless.

Being civil does not mean not criticizing others, it means doing it honestly, with a comparison of available information and evidence, rather than making shit up or implying someone else's intentions or behavior.

1 goal in 15 games for a dp = total shit.

6 goals in 11 games for a dp = not total shit.

Therefore, dumb comparison.

And ... he didn't call the poster dumb, he said he was making dumb comments.

It may be more inflammatory to use the word "dumb" because the person saying it can take it personally... but that's not what he said.

[Hala Hrvatska]

Saying someone's comment is dumb IS an opinion. I mean, it can be taken as insulting, but it's an opinion.

It's also accurate in this case; mista scored one non-league goal in his entire season here. Insigne scored 6 in his first 11 appearances. It's a dumb comparison.

Having an opinion does not entitle someone to avoid all criticism, especially when that opinion is clearly groundless.

Being civil does not mean not criticizing others, it means doing it honestly, with a comparison of available information and evidence, rather than making shit up or implying someone else's intentions or behavior.

1 goal in 15 games for a dp = total shit.

6 goals in 11 games for a dp = not total shit.

Therefore, dumb comparison.

And ... he didn't call the poster dumb, he said he was making dumb comments.

It may be more inflammatory to use the word "dumb" because the person saying it can take it personally... but that's not what he said.


Ok, IMO, going after someone's comments as "dumb" is not really conducive to getting everyone to contribute and some could be insulted potentially...but if calling someone's commentary dumb is ok, then we go on and what is good for the goose is good for the gander (or whatever that saying is..).


As for Insigne, hope he gets it going now. Need to take away the double/triple teams off Fede and he'll make it happen. No quality striker between them though is going to continue to hurt us. Need a quality target man and we'll be cooking.

[jloome]

Ok, IMO, going after someone's comments as "dumb" is not really conducive to getting everyone to contribute and some could be insulted potentially...

Yeah, no argument there dude.

I try not to rant for that very reason, but post-loss find it hard sometimes.

[Hala Hrvatska]

Yeah, no argument there dude.

I try not to rant for that very reason, but post-loss find it hard sometimes.

A good rant can feel good to "let it all out" lol. Here's to some post game win celebrations...much funner to do, and read for everyone. )

[Blindside16]

I just got back. Was hoping to find out what that was about.

At the final whistle, Laryea started going completely nuts in trying to engage a linesman about something, and chased down and made physical contact with the linesman (which I fear may have consequences).

Kaye and Fede were also very agitated, and there was a scrum of TFC players, the refs, and some others that went on for a good 3 or 4 minutes.

I am telling you, our guys were REALLY heated.

————

One thing for sure: they were not happy with Unkel, both for how he didn’t make some calls, and also because he was allowing persistent fouling without showing a yellow, especially on Fede. But what happened at the end must have had some sort of other cause that I did not see.

I missed that altercation with Richie, I was caught up watching the Fede/Unkel confrontation. The reason Richie went after the linesman I believe was a build up through the game. The linesman on the East sideline missed multiple calls all game. There was one instance Atlanta ran up the touch line and the balled rolled out but the linesman refused to raise the flag. He also botched at least 5 possession calls when it came to throw in's. It was also this linesman who refused to call the foul when both Richie and Servania were taken down in the box. I'm not excusing Richie for his conduct, but his frustration was mounting for a while before he went nuclear.

[los sonadores]

If someone says something outrageous and absurd, that can’t be backed up in any rational way… okay, maybe that’s not dumb, I apologize. Unless the person making the outrageous comment was taking the piss and I missed the joke in which case it might be that my comment in response was dumb.

It shouldn’t be forgotten that posting unsupportable and outrageous stuff might not inspire people to come to this board and engage in conversation. Conversations tend to be like that. I like argument but when the argument is not an argument at all what’s the point? Posting totally unsupportable stuff as if it were fact is probably not conducive to getting everyone involved either.

But I don’t know the poster and indeed I’m not commenting on his character. Simply the logic of his comment. (Though I still think he might be taking the piss!)

[Mr. Inbetween]

I missed that altercation with Richie, I was caught up watching the Fede/Unkel confrontation. The reason Richie went after the linesman I believe was a build up through the game. The linesman on the East sideline missed multiple calls all game. There was one instance Atlanta ran up the touch line and the balled rolled out but the linesman refused to raise the flag. He also botched at least 5 possession calls when it came to throw in's. It was also this linesman who refused to call the foul when both Richie and Servania were taken down in the box. I'm not excusing Richie for his conduct, but his frustration was mounting for a while before he went nuclear.

Great post explaining the after match sitch Blindside16. Had thought about offering a similar reply. You likely stated it better and more succinctly than I could. Agree with you mostly about what seemed to have transpired. Lots going on at the final whistle. It is some of what I believe I too saw as well as what others around me also said they saw. Perhaps, adding only, that Oso tried/struggled to get Fede away from Unkel and off the pitch? I watched the match again on AMLSSP and the scrum at the end of the match seemed to involve TFC members jabbering with Unkel and the East Touchline Assistant Referee. The West Touchline Assistant Referee was just wandering around being hardly engaged/talked to.

[Oldtimer]

Let's not use the word "dumb" to describe comments as that may be misunderstood. How about "unfounded, without foundation, made up comparison, not thought out" and if taking the piss "inflammatory, stirring up shit, trying to provoke people, exaggerated for humorous effect."

Anyway comparisons of Insigne to Mista are without foundation.

[ensco]

I missed that altercation with Richie, I was caught up watching the Fede/Unkel confrontation. The reason Richie went after the linesman I believe was a build up through the game. The linesman on the East sideline missed multiple calls all game. There was one instance Atlanta ran up the touch line and the balled rolled out but the linesman refused to raise the flag. He also botched at least 5 possession calls when it came to throw in's. It was also this linesman who refused to call the foul when both Richie and Servania were taken down in the box. I'm not excusing Richie for his conduct, but his frustration was mounting for a while before he went nuclear.

This makes sense.

If Richie doesn’t get suspended, this says something interesting to me about how the league saw what happened in game. Because Richie absolutely jostled that linesman.

[jloome]

This makes sense.

If Richie doesn’t get suspended, this says something interesting to me about how the league saw what happened in game. Because Richie absolutely jostled that linesman.

If he doesn't actually grab him, they'll probably limit it to a fine, which seems to be their compromise to punish for abuse of officials without costing teams a player.

[ensco]

If he doesn't actually grab him, they'll probably limit it to a fine, which seems to be their compromise to punish for abuse of officials without costing teams a player.

Not sure re fine points on what he did or didn’t do. There was a lot going on in that 30 seconds!