Match Day 32 - TFC @ Orlando Sat Sept 17 - 738pm - Find the Original

[OgtheDim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrrQT4WkbNE


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Have At It People

[Mr. Inbetween]

Like a skipping record you would like to break...

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TORONTO FC, MLS

[Mr. Inbetween]

We. Must. Win. Every. Match...

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[jloome]

Like a skipping record you would like to break...

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TORONTO FC, MLS

I like this but I'd change it up a little, as everyone expects us to play the 433 overlap now.

-----------Westberg
Laryea--McNaughton--O'Neill--Criscito
--Kaye---Bradley---Osorio
---------Insigne
-----Bernie---Jimenez

[Mr. Inbetween]

I like this but I'd change it up a little, as everyone expects us to play the 433 overlap now.

-----------Westberg
Laryea--McNaughton--O'Neill--Criscito
--Kaye---Bradley---Osorio
---------Insigne
-----Bernie---Jimenez

Mavinga practicing alone? Maybe gets on the bench; some second half minutes? Therefore O'Neill in; ok.

More than fine - agree with your insightful change-up suggestion.

[noxx98]

Haven't seen any of the typical game day photos from TFC - not even a plane deboarding picture. Injury report has Mavinga and Henry out, with Oso questionable. I take that to mean Insigne has made the trip.

[OgtheDim]

So there is a pregame for the Seattle Vancouver match but not for the TFC game - another round of plays of the month.

Only 3 more matches left than I can kiss TSN goodbye.

[NK Toronto]

So there is a pregame for the Seattle Vancouver match but not for the TFC game - another round of plays of the month.

Only 3 more matches left than I can kiss TSN goodbye.

How have you been feeling? Last week you indicated you had Covid.

[MikeForbes]

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1571268695762108416?s=20&t=9BTjoXlAaxJnTGSPSyB9UQ

[noxx98]

Glad Oso is back. Interesting to see Kosi get some run in the midfield, which is more of his natural position.

[MikeForbes]

If either CB goes down it looks like Criscito or Bradley will have to fill in there with no true CB on the bench.

[OgtheDim]

How have you been feeling? Last week you indicated you had Covid.

Thanks for asking & thanks for others well wishes.

Its been mild, unlike everybody else I know - no longer positive as of Tuesday, but wife got it too - she too has been relatively mild.

Booster shots helped, I suppose but who knows.

[OgtheDim]

JDG saying 50% of these guys won't be back next year....


uh....

[noxx98]

JDG saying 50% of these guys won't be back next year....


uh....
I'm thinking math isn't really his strong suit...

[NK Toronto]

My wife got Covid back in 2020 before Vaccines and for her it was like having the flu, except for the lingering fatigue. My two teenage sons both got it this year and it was mild in both cases, however both also had lingering fatigue. I am the only one in our household who hasn't had it, at least to my knowledge.

[NK Toronto]

JDG saying 50% of these guys won't be back next year....


uh....

Bono, Westberg, Mavinga, Henry, Jimenez, Achara, potentially 4 or 5 of the academy players, potentially Osorio and Laryea. Not too far off.

[portu]

Where is the midfield?????

[NK Toronto]

Westberg is not a starting keeper

[MikeForbes]

Well, that just happened.

[ag futbol]

Westberg is not a starting keeper
Yeah, more than fair statement. I’ll take him over Bono though.

[notthesun]

Yeah I'm not asking for Bono either but good lord do we need to bring in a legitimate keeper

[NK Toronto]

Yeah, more than fair statement. I’ll take him over Bono though.

That's like taking McDonald's over Burger King. The better of two bad options

[MikeForbes]

Kara has an absolutely brutal first touch.

[James17930]

??? Insigne is playing? It's being reported that his wife had a miscarriage.

[OgtheDim]

In a 4-3-3, the DM has to be a good shield for the back 2.

MB isn't tonight

[NK Toronto]

Yeah I'm not asking for Bono either but good lord do we need to bring in a legitimate keeper

I hope they look to Europe for a legitimate starting keeper

[NK Toronto]

??? Insigne is playing? It's being reported that his wife had a miscarriage.

Sometimes focusing on your work is the best therapy

[jloome]

This ref always gives us a shit performance.

[James17930]

Sometimes focusing on your work is the best therapy

I suppose. But it's a road game, so he'd have to leave her for the day. I'm just surprised.

[jloome]

Yeah, more than fair statement. I’ll take him over Bono though.
Pretty sure he was screened.

[FootBallAZ]

Wanted to confirm, over the past two seasons

TFC:

-Has 1 away win

- 3 clean sheets


Anyone know for sure ?

[ag futbol]

Pretty sure he was screened.
Yeah, that’s fair. Would a taller keeper seen it though? I wonder.

[noxx98]

i hate this and i do not like this

[portu]

Bobby wants to get fired??

[jloome]

God, our defense is bad.

But also, the tactical choice to play with two high, slow defenders. Jesus H.

[FootBallAZ]

I mean we could score 4 straight and win its happened to us recently

[OgtheDim]

Aaaa..TFC defence...

[rydermike]

At least this is like early years tfc,where we'd lose a game in the last 20 minutes. Now we're just doing it in the first 20

[MikeForbes]

Like a hot knife through butter.

[OgtheDim]

God, our defense is bad.

But also, the tactical choice to play with two high, slow defenders. Jesus H.


There are no other CB's.

[James17930]

Brutal.

[ag futbol]

Our midfield sucks. Collectively, they neither support the attack or defend.

[NK Toronto]

Neither McNaughton or O'Neill are starters. This is another debacle.

[Hala Hrvatska]

Bobby wants to get fired??

He needs to be fired tonight. Enough enough of this horrible play.

Swansea cut their losses with him after only 11 games.

We get cut open so easy.

Bobs “system” whatever it is, is crap.

[NK Toronto]

Wanted to confirm, over the past two seasons

TFC:

-Has 1 away win

- 3 clean sheets


Anyone know for sure ?

Won on the road this year in Nashville and Charlotte

[portu]

There are no other CB's.

There *are* other tactical choices.

[MikeForbes]

Our midfield sucks. Collectively, they neither support the attack or defend.

Really disappointed in Kaye's lack of interest in defending so far.

[jloome]

There are no other CB's.

it's not who's playing it's how he's using them.

If you don't have the players with sufficient speed to push up to the half, don't push up to the half.

it's so fucking naive a kid playing football manager could figure it out.

[SoccMan2]

Clean out the whole front office this is disgraceful!

[portu]

it's not who's playing it's how he's using them.

If you don't have the players with sufficient speed to push up to the half, don't push up to the half.

it's so fucking naive a kid playing football manager could figure it out.

I can confirm I was that kid

[notthesun]

Our midfield sucks. Collectively, they neither support the attack or defend.

I remain a Kaye hater. I was shocked when I read through the details of that trade and doubly shocked when I read a bunch of posts on here approving of it.

He doesn't impact the game, he just kind of exists. He's a guy you bring off the bench in a good midfield group in today's MLS. But we paid assets like he's a Best XI candidate.

[Hala Hrvatska]

Kaye is brutal. Not going to sugarcoat it. Doesn’t go toward. Zero defensive effort.

[portu]

I remain a Kaye hater. I was shocked when I read through the details of that trade and doubly shocked when I read a bunch of posts on here approving of it.

He doesn't impact the game, he just kind of exists. He's a guy you bring off the bench in a good midfield group in today's MLS. But we paid assets like he's a Best XI candidate.

I don’t know if I hate him, I probably like him, but that trade was HOT fucking garbage.

[OgtheDim]

Thompson is slow...his thinking can't handle the pace.

[noxx98]

Might be a hot take, but I think if Oso stays healthy this season then this game is about us and Orlando competing for the last playoff spot rather than Orlando running roughshod over us. Our midfield misses him so much.

[NK Toronto]

I remain a Kaye hater. I was shocked when I read through the details of that trade and doubly shocked when I read a bunch of posts on here approving of it.

He doesn't impact the game, he just kind of exists. He's a guy you bring off the bench in a good midfield group in today's MLS. But we paid assets like he's a Best XI candidate.

I haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion but if he had nothing to offer why would Herdman keep calling him up.

[portu]

Might be a hot take, but I think if Oso stays healthy this season then this game is about us and Orlando competing for the last playoff spot rather than Orlando running roughshod over us. Our midfield misses him so much.

Not a hot take. This team was never that far off squeeking into the playoffs. Oso vital.

[Hala Hrvatska]

Orlando is crap and they are toying with us. Only question is so we give up 4 goals like the previous ious two. Mike and Kaye are just getting completely dominated by some journeymen on Orlando.

[Hala Hrvatska]

I haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion but if he had nothing to offer why would Herdman keep calling him up.

No other options?

[jloome]

I swear he can't be coaching movement. This shit is woeful.

[portu]

Laryea and Criscito have been increasingly tepid under BB

[ag futbol]

enough with the olympicos already.

[OgtheDim]

We have no depth beyond these guys- and I'd say 6 of those guys are really depth level next year

[portu]

This Olimpico competition shit should have been killed several games ago by the manager

[notthesun]

I haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion but if he had nothing to offer why would Herdman keep calling him up.

Your guess is as good as mine because I was holding my breath every time he was on the ball through that entire qualifying cycle.

I'm laying it on a bit thick though - like I said he's good as someone to bring off the bench, I think he's just fine. My issue is I don't think he's an everyday starter on a winning MLS team, and we paid way too much for him.

For example I think Marky Delgado is a better player, and we let him go for literally half the money we paid for Kaye, not even including letting go of Priso PLUS a 1st round pick. Just horrible asset management.

[ag futbol]

This Olimpico competition shit should have been killed several games ago by the manager
Totally agree. Like how moral killing are each of those attempts?

[Hala Hrvatska]

What exactly is BB’s system? This is a s.hits yet again.

[portu]

Totally agree. Like how moral killing are each of those attempts?

And it’s also like how seriously are you taking this league?

[MikeForbes]

This Angulo guy is cutting us to shreds.

[portu]

These guys need to do more than sigh and throw their arms up after losing the ball because obviously it’s not working

[DavemTFC]

Kaye was bad with Canada too this year. I'm still hopeful he'll figure things out in 2023 but that's down to emotional reasons more than any actual game evidence from this year. There's no way he was worth a million plus priso and I think virtually all of us agree with that

[noxx98]

I dunno... this is bad. The tactics aren't there. There's too many players that aren't good enough. It looks like the team has given up. Im going to go have a drink (or ten) tonight. Don't be too hard on anyone here, we all want TFC to win.

[MikeForbes]

Great effort guys. Save your energy for next season or something.

[MikeForbes]

They just completely stopped playing the last couple minutes of that half. Some absolutely pitiful stuff there from Kaye and Insigne.

[NK Toronto]

What is Olimpico?

[Amir.]

pull kaye thompson bring nelson osorio

[rydermike]

Eustaquio said he likes playing with Kaye. Eustaquio is the main cog in that midfield. It could be that Kaye is fine in midfield as a cog who's role is to get it to the main piece. I didn't watch him WITH Colorado or LAFC. Could be that he's regressed inthe last year. I do remember the last couple of Canada games I wasn't all that impressed mainly the early red card he got in one.

[noxx98]

What is Olimpico?
Scoring straight from a corner kick. It looked like both Berna and Insigne tried to do that on their corners tonight.

[MikeForbes]

What is Olimpico?

Scoring directly from a corner kick.

[rydermike]

What is Olimpico?
A goal scored directly off a corner (curled inby the kicker)

[OgtheDim]

This Olimpico competition shit should have been killed several games ago by the manager

Or by a decent captain...

[portu]

Eustaquio said he likes playing with Kaye. Eustaquio is the main cog in that midfield. It could be that Kaye is fine in midfield as a cog who's role is to get it to the main piece. I didn't watch him WITH Colorado or LAFC. Could be that he's regressed inthe last year. I do remember the last couple of Canada games I wasn't all that impressed mainly the early red card he got in one.

Pretty much this ^^

[NK Toronto]

We need 2 keepers, 2 centrebacks, a midfielder and a striker. Does anyone believe this gets fixed in the next transfer window?

[MikeForbes]

Eustaquio said he likes playing with Kaye. Eustaquio is the main cog in that midfield. It could be that Kaye is fine in midfield as a cog who's role is to get it to the main piece. I didn't watch him WITH Colorado or LAFC. Could be that he's regressed inthe last year. I do remember the last couple of Canada games I wasn't all that impressed mainly the early red card he got in one.

His best years came playing with guys like Atuesta and Blessing who have incredible engines. I wonder if they masked some of his defensive flaws.

[portu]

We need 2 keepers, 2 centrebacks, a midfielder and a striker. Does anyone believe this gets fixed in the next transfer window?

They should have a list of 10-15 guys for each position running already. If they don’t they should be sacked.

[jloome]

Kilbane should probably be coaching. Dude pretty much nails it 90% of the time. Mcnaughton can't get into an foot race there. Again, it's not a tactical necessity to play the whole team high when attacking.

[ag futbol]

I mean, allegedly BB is a really smart guy and things will snap together next year but it’s hard not to doubt of bit of what we’re doing here on every level.

Player acquisition, tactical decisions, team unity… everything feels a bit foul

[James17930]

At this point shouldn't we just be playing the kids everywhere to see who we should for sure keep for next season? I mean, the season is over, why risk injury to the DPs?

[MikeForbes]

Glad TSN keeps playing this Sean Johnson commercial to remind us what a good keeper looks like.

[OgtheDim]

At this point shouldn't we just be playing the kids everywhere to see who we should for sure keep for next season? I mean, the season is over, why risk injury to the DPs?

We have played the kids - they are not good enough. Play the DP's and get them reps with each other & the others sticking around.

[ag futbol]

His best years came playing with guys like Atuesta and Blessing who have incredible engines. I wonder if they masked some of his defensive flaws.
I mean, any midfield combo should have a different combination of things. Kaye (allegedly) is good at progressive passing from the midfield third to the final 3rd. That’s supposed to be his secret sauce.

But I find his overall game to be pretty mediocre. He’s so-so defensively and not really present in the attacking third. As someone else said, it’s probably substitute worthy but starter for a team that aspires to win the cup? Kind of doubt it

[James17930]

We have played the kids - they are not good enough. Play the DP's and get them reps with each other & the others sticking around.

They're not all bad. They've shown flashes. This should be the final bloodletting – either perform in these last few games or you're gone.

I don't think Insigne, Berna and Criscito really need more 'reps' with each other. They're pretty smooth already.

[NK Toronto]

Especially acquisitions. TFC has been absolutely brutal in that area since Bez left, mainly due to Curtis, however BB hasn't fared much better as sporting director.

[ag futbol]

They're not all bad. They've shown flashes. This should be the final bloodletting – either perform in these last few games or you're gone.

I don't think Insigne, Berna and Criscito really need more 'reps' with each other. They're pretty smooth already.
The problem is, these kids need to be surrounded by vets to keep their heads above water. As a group collectively? We’d just be fishing dead bodies out of the bottom of the pool.

[portu]

Atrocious

[MikeForbes]

What a goal by MacNaughton.

[OgtheDim]

Some of the offensive work can be great to watch but my GAWD the defence is just so bad & there is no midfield presence in front of our back line.


MB has to be replaced. He has had a good run, was doing decent earlier in the season. But he's been run over the last few weeks.

[jloome]

I've seen enough. I don't think Bradley is a coach I'll ever have faith in. I'll have to see something miraculous to change that.

Here's why: it's not that he played the kids. It's not that he played Bono over and over. It's not that he plays michael 90 min every game at age 35.

It's that our movement is terrible. I mean, fucking awful.

It's only when Insigne, Bradley and Bernadeschi use close interplay that we even look competent.

A team with this many technically gifted players should be pinging the ball around, not waiting for movement, not waiting for players to give them something to pass to.

They should know where the supporting run is suppose to be. They should move with some degree of predictability -- hard lateral, hard diagonal, off the shoulder, etc -- so that they can develop possession fluidity, and move the ball fast enough to pull defenses out of shape.

We never switch field quickly enough. We never tilt our offense to create an undefended backside. We never send men to both posts. We never start corners with runners coming into the box from deeper, to give SOME possibility of space.

No, there's something really wrong here. Perhaps the field coaching is being handled by Stalteri et al and they're expecting too much of this stuff to be rote for guys in MLS, but this is a rapidly evolving league with huge talent disparities.

I mean, maybe in the offseason they'll hire five or six more ex-Italians or at least experienced first-team players and this will all be moot just by strength of roster.

But unless the tactical and coaching approach changes, I see this team always losing more games than it should.

I hope I am wrong. But we've seen this from older managers before, where they get hyper focussed on preferred areas of coaching and management as they stay in the game and the bigger picture is missed.

But this just isn't close to good enough, even with the relative strength of this roster.

[NK Toronto]

What a goal by MacNaughton.

He's really struggled the past few games. Realistically he is at best a 4th centreback.

[MikeForbes]

Some of the offensive work can be great to watch but my GAWD the defence is just so bad & there is no midfield presence in front of our back line.


MB has to be replaced. He has had a good run, was doing decent earlier in the season. But he's been run over the last few weeks.

It is almost like playing a 35 year old midfielder in every minute of every game is a bad idea.

[portu]

I've seen enough. I don't think Bradley is a coach I'll ever have faith in. I'll have to see something miraculous to change that.

Here's why: it's not that he played the kids. It's not that he played Bono over and over. It's not that he plays michael 90 min every game at age 35.

It's that our movement is terrible. I mean, fucking awful.

It's only when Insigne, Bradley and Bernadeschi use close interplay that we even look competent.

A team with this many technically gifted players should be pinging the ball around, not waiting for movement, not waiting for players to give them something to pass to.

They should know where the supporting run is suppose to be. They should move with some degree of predictability -- hard lateral, hard diagonal, off the shoulder, etc -- so that they can develop possession fluidity, and move the ball fast enough to pull defenses out of shape.

We never switch field quickly enough. We never tilt our offense to create an undefended backside. We never send men to both posts. We never start corners with runners coming into the box from deeper, to give SOME possibility of space.

No, there's something really wrong here. Perhaps the field coaching is being handled by Stalteri et al and they're expecting too much of this stuff to be rote for guys in MLS, but this is a rapidly evolving league with huge talent disparities.

I mean, maybe in the offseason they'll hire five or six more ex-Italians or at least experienced first-team players and this will all be moot just by strength of roster.

But unless the tactical and coaching approach changes, I see this team always losing more games than it should.

I hope I am wrong. But we've seen this from older managers before, where they get hyper focussed on preferred areas of coaching and management as they stay in the game and the bigger picture is missed.

But this just isn't close to good enough, even with the relative strength of this roster.

This all without mentioning his terrible acquisition strategy.

[Gogon]

Laryea and Criscito have been increasingly tepid under BB

This is so true. Both these guys are built to do the overlap. And with our two inverted wingers, overlapping backs are necessary to clear the space that lets them cut inside. I've been mystified by how stagnant Bob has our fullbacks playing. They can do dummy runs, they can take the ball deep and hit crosses, and they can dance in the box. I just don't understand the way they're being deployed.

[JoesphNdo]

The main red flag around MAK for me isn't his performances so far, they're excusable to an extent with injuries and a team that is frankly awful

It's the fans of the rapids who were pretty delighted with the trade. I read as much of what they were saying as possible and basically couldn't find one sad to see him go. At best he seemed to be someone who shows flashes but is inconsistent and gives the ball away alot. I haven't seen him play much but so far, so far, he's exactly as advertised and I'm not too optimistic about him turning it around next season. We got absolutely hosed on that transfer

[DavemTFC]

Westberg visibly asking for options, not seeing any, and resorting to hitting a long ball to insigne is a pretty accurate snapshot of the game

[portu]

Westberg visibly asking for options, not seeing any, and resorting to hitting a long ball to insigne is a pretty accurate snapshot of the game
Every player has been complaining about options.

This is a coaching issue.

[jloome]

Our defenders are backing up quickly on a break. Orlando passes the ball back-lateral.

our defenders, instead of recognizing the overload danger and continuing to back up, stop dead and ball watch, then only resume running to mark their men... who are now thirty yards away from the ball.

[portu]

Jimenez from 25 yards being our first shot on target in 60 minutes is just disgusting with this talent

[NK Toronto]

This all without mentioning his terrible acquisition strategy.

Other than the Italians who were brought in by Manning, you can make an argument that BB did not bring in 1 starting quality player in both the January and July windows. The last 2 windows were wasted.

[portu]

We are only 6 goals away from our goals against last season

[Oldtimer]

This is a team that has no self belief and nothing further to fight for. If it was Europe they'd be fighting relegation at least.

[jloome]

And why the fuck is Akinola still starting ?!?

[jloome]

Not that I expect it, since he's probably due the chop too, but Manning would probably do himself a huge favor in the offseason by having a private chat with his DPs and asking what they think of their coaching. Given who they've worked with, it might be instructive.

[ag futbol]

And why the fuck is Akinola still starting ?!?
Probably because we’ve decided to move on from JJ. Which is really nothing more than an admission we can’t scout because he’s playing EXACTLY like his scouting report suggested he would.

[jloome]

Probably because we’ve decided to move on from JJ. Which is really nothing more than an admission we can’t scout because he’s playing EXACTLY like his scouting report suggested he would.

We should be playing a 1-2, with Insigne at the number 10, bernadeschi and jimenez as opposing outside forwards. We'd be way more effective.

[jloome]

Kaye was absolute shit today. Very inconsistent player. Lots of reach and strength and some speed, but his touch is woeful (as is Thompson's, as is Akinola's. None of them consistently trap and make their first pass).

[jloome]

Jimenez has done more in ten minutes than Akinola did all game.

[noxx98]

We are already so much better with Oso on the pitch. Sign the man for 10 years, I don't care.

[ag futbol]

We should be playing a 1-2, with Insigne at the number 10, bernadeschi and jiminez as opposing outside forwards. We'd be way more effective.
Oh there’s lots we could do. We’re just too caught up on one narrow system to do it

[MikeForbes]

The only good thing to come out of this game is Oso getting back on the field.

[DavemTFC]

I think despite everything we make the playoffs if osorio stays healthy all year, maybe even just for the last 4 game stretch. We're so much better INSTANTLY when he plays its incredible

[OgtheDim]

The only good thing to come out of this game is Oso getting back on the field.

I'm happy to see Petrasso get some minutes - he's a decent depth player at LB.

[ag futbol]

Can we clone a half dozen Osorio’s?

[daner90]

Osorio MOTM. Only player who looks like he gives a fuck tonight

[portu]

Osorio should have the fucking armband

[Oldtimer]

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Some wanted him gone, and got their wish. I'll give time to rebuild, but I don't think we're playing better technically now than under him.

[OgtheDim]

I think despite everything we make the playoffs if osorio stays healthy all year, maybe even just for the last 4 game stretch. We're so much better INSTANTLY when he plays its incredible

I think we make the playoffs if Westberg & Oso both don't get injured down the stretch.

[ag futbol]

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Some wanted him gone, and got their wish. I'll give time to rebuild, but I don't think we're playing better technically than under him.
I don’t hate Greg but sometimes managers get stale and the players need a new voice. Than again, maybe we just needed new players.

[jloome]

I notice Bob threw the kids under the bus in the media yesterday, too. If this was a building year, what was he expecting? 19 year old academy players to blossom into first teamers overnight?

[daner90]

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Some wanted him gone, and got their wish. I'll give time to rebuild, but I don't think we're playing better technically now than under him.

Not a chance we are. This team looks lost most games under BB.

Its so frustrating to watch these matches and there is no clear purpose or strategy in place. Just throw them out there in a 4-3-3 and hope the italians show some magic.

Id take vanney back in an instant.

[portu]

I notice Bob threw the kids under the bus in the media yesterday, too. If this was a building year, what was he expecting? 19 year old academy players to blossom into first teamers overnight?

Where was this?

[Auzzy]

Jimenez from 25 yards being our first shot on target in 60 minutes is just disgusting with this talent

Are TFC seriously going to try to walk the ball into goal ALL game? Against Orlando which is perfectly comfortable playing in tight spaces like that, and is VERY skilled at blocks and interceptions?

Some of the new players were taking long shots when they started here, and having some success. At least it forces the defending team out of their shape and makes room for other players. Now they're hardly doing that anymore. Is the coach telling them not to take long shots, or the captain? As we had the same problems in previous years under other coaches, I wonder if it's the latter. Or is everyone just giving up? Maybe both.

[MikeForbes]

Bob is having Shane O'Neill bomb forward from CB. That will definitely pay off.

[ag futbol]

God I hope we sell Ruty and just take the cash.

[MikeForbes]

Glad Michael Bradley gets to play every minute in this 3-0 game.

[OgtheDim]

Are TFC seriously going to try to walk the ball into goal ALL game?


To be fair, this has been TFC's MO (apart from relying upon the counter) since 2014.

[rydermike]

I notice Bob threw the kids under the bus in the media yesterday, too. If this was a building year, what was he expecting? 19 year old academy players to blossom into first teamers overnight?
Especially playing them in completely new positions.
Petrasso starts the year as a LM/LW (was a LB last year)
Shaff starts as a LB (was a LW)
Kosi plays as a RB (was a RW with TFC2)
JMR plays as RB (was always a midfielder)
Priso plays a bench cheerleader (was a CM)
Perruzza would get used as a Winger (he's a striker)

[Red CB Toronto]

Third game in a row that the Reds have given up four goals, how unfortunate.

[ag futbol]

You just knew that was going to be saved, lol

[Auzzy]

The main red flag around MAK for me isn't his performances so far, they're excusable to an extent with injuries and a team that is frankly awful

It's the fans of the rapids who were pretty delighted with the trade. I read as much of what they were saying as possible and basically couldn't find one sad to see him go. At best he seemed to be someone who shows flashes but is inconsistent and gives the ball away alot. I haven't seen him play much but so far, so far, he's exactly as advertised and I'm not too optimistic about him turning it around next season. We got absolutely hosed on that transfer

He seems to often have a bad attitude, or at least he's not very stable mentally. When things go wrong he often throws up his hands and gives up. I've seen the same thing with TFC and CMNT. Maybe it's like someone else suggested: if he's in a stable midfield with others who are leaders, he can do a job. But he's not a leader and shouldn't be expected to play a leading role, or command a salary like he does.

[reggie]

anywhere else in the world we would be playing Guelph and Vaughan next season

[ag futbol]

Who puts 5 minutes up on a 4-0 game. Like blow the whistle you dip shit

[portu]

This is Armas level bad

[Auzzy]

To be fair, this has been TFC's MO (apart from relying upon the counter) since 2014.

Interesting. And I guess it's a complete coincidence that Michael Bradley also started with the team in 2014?!?!

[DavemTFC]

His best years came playing with guys like Atuesta and Blessing who have incredible engines. I wonder if they masked some of his defensive flaws.
I think you're absolutely bang on. Kaye plays really loose for a midfielder but with LA they were so good on the re-press it didn't matter that much because they (including Kaye himself) could easily recover if he lost the ball, and then break. Even with Canada Eustaquio is elite at covering ground. TFC has nobody who can do* that at a high level and probably only Oso and Bernie who can do it at a passable level, and the former doesn't even look like he'll be back.

*currently anyway. We did have Priso and Shaff who inexplicably fell off a cliff and Shaff already looks like his old self in Nashville

[jloome]

Where was this?

Story yesterday.

https://edmontonsun.com/sports/soccer/mls/toronto-fc/despite-the-hype-the-cradle-did-not-always-rock-for-toronto-fc-this-season/wcm/b23ce795-a177-4d8c-abcf-c68bf3d87e7d

For his part, Bradley suggested that he was disappointed with the development of some of the club’s hyped-up youngsters, who will almost certainly not get the same chances to start next season. TFC will no doubt strengthen certain positions in the off-season with older, more proven players. For some of the youngsters, the bus has come and left.
Article content“I’m not going to go through each guy,” said Bradley, a coach who has shown a knack in the past for developing young players. “Sometimes you need more time, (but) have all of them developed as quickly as I would have hoped this year? No, not necessarily.”
Bradley talked about how Kaye joined his 2018 LAFC team from the USL in 2018, barely out of his teens, and how the Toronto native felt MLS was “all too much for him” at first.
“It was going too fast. He felt like, ‘I can’t do it,’” said Bradley. “But he was really open to being coached and football ideas that he picked up he could process and apply them. And you saw him at a certain point starting to gain confidence and you started to see consistency. You could see after 5-6-7 games how it was going up and up and up and up. I don’t think that’s been the case for enough of the young guys (with TFC) this year. So that’s the challenge for all of them.
Article content“I can’t give you the final rundown on where they’re all going to be (next season),” added the coach.
“Anywhere you go in the world, young players are trying to earn respect, or trying to gain opportunities. (But) then when (opportunity) comes, it’s not a given. And it’s not always just a nice, smooth path. I’ve told a lot of them that this year – that the work to become a top pro it’s not like you just had a game or two and it goes up, that now it’s guaranteed that it’s going to keep skyrocketing. How you deal with it, how you go through a rough stretch, how you continue to believe in the work that’s being done, how committed you are. There’s been a lot of in-house discussions (about that).”
The bottom line: For most of TFC’s young guns, starts are going to be few and far between going forward. When asked if he expects the club to upgrade the roster in certain positions next year, Bradley replied: “1,000 per cent.”

[ag futbol]

We are so soft. If I was losing 4-0 and the opposing team kept running at my backline during injury time I’d level someone for their trouble

[portu]

Orlando entirely taking the piss with these stepovers

[reggie]

BB should be fired tonight

[jloome]

True or not, I see no reason for him to say that publicly except to deflect responsibility for putting them in that position.

[jloome]

We are so soft. If I was losing 4-0 and the opposing team kept running at my backline during injury time I’d level someone for their trouble

Fourth team in league history to give up 4 goals for 4 games in a row.

I'm sorry, this is not just "the kids". This is a badly coached team, end of.

[Auzzy]

BB should be fired tonight

Yes, and Manning.

[OgtheDim]

Interesting. And I guess it's a complete coincidence that Michael Bradley also started with the team in 2014?!?!


This guy's little bit as Covid started comes to mind...

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1238504143104421888?lang=en

[Auzzy]

Story yesterday.

https://edmontonsun.com/sports/soccer/mls/toronto-fc/despite-the-hype-the-cradle-did-not-always-rock-for-toronto-fc-this-season/wcm/b23ce795-a177-4d8c-abcf-c68bf3d87e7d

For his part, Bradley suggested that he was disappointed with the development of some of the club’s hyped-up youngsters, who will almost certainly not get the same chances to start next season. TFC will no doubt strengthen certain positions in the off-season with older, more proven players. For some of the youngsters, the bus has come and left.
Article content

“I’m not going to go through each guy,” said Bradley, a coach who has shown a knack in the past for developing young players. “Sometimes you need more time, (but) have all of them developed as quickly as I would have hoped this year? No, not necessarily.”
Bradley talked about how Kaye joined his 2018 LAFC team from the USL in 2018, barely out of his teens, and how the Toronto native felt MLS was “all too much for him” at first.
“It was going too fast. He felt like, ‘I can’t do it,’” said Bradley. “But he was really open to being coached and football ideas that he picked up he could process and apply them. And you saw him at a certain point starting to gain confidence and you started to see consistency. You could see after 5-6-7 games how it was going up and up and up and up. I don’t think that’s been the case for enough of the young guys (with TFC) this year. So that’s the challenge for all of them.
Article content

“I can’t give you the final rundown on where they’re all going to be (next season),” added the coach.
“Anywhere you go in the world, young players are trying to earn respect, or trying to gain opportunities. (But) then when (opportunity) comes, it’s not a given. And it’s not always just a nice, smooth path. I’ve told a lot of them that this year – that the work to become a top pro it’s not like you just had a game or two and it goes up, that now it’s guaranteed that it’s going to keep skyrocketing. How you deal with it, how you go through a rough stretch, how you continue to believe in the work that’s being done, how committed you are. There’s been a lot of in-house discussions (about that).”
The bottom line: For most of TFC’s young guns, starts are going to be few and far between going forward. When asked if he expects the club to upgrade the roster in certain positions next year, Bradley replied: “1,000 per cent.”

What a stunning lack of self awareness this old prick of a coach has.

[FootBallAZ]

This all falls on Manning.

All down hill since 2018- 2020 was a fluke poz carrying tfc.


Bringing three Italians and increasing tickets by 40%.


No way what he envisioned justifies 40% increase .

Same issue can't score in the build up of play

Take away the corners ( clearly the Italians aren't being coached whatsoever)


Take away the penalties

Take away the individual brilliant bangers



How many goals does tfc have from build up ?


How many times does Bono need to bounce the ball off the opponent to get scored on.. lol.


This isn't even hindsight.


Are yall comfortable to let Manning and BB continue into 2023.


They gutted the wing backs , gutted the midfield.



The 7 games Perez had oso and Marky playing I can't remember the last time the midfield was fluid like that maybe 2017 and champions league 2018 run.


Got dang and those fugly grey kits.


Thought tfc were the reds

[NK Toronto]

Not a chance we are. This team looks lost most games under BB.

Its so frustrating to watch these matches and there is no clear purpose or strategy in place. Just throw them out there in a 4-3-3 and hope the italians show some magic.

Id take vanney back in an instant.

I would like to bring back Bez and give him Manning's job. The club has regressed since he left to the point we are now again the laughing stock of MLS.

[OgtheDim]

This is the interview in question quoting BB - as always, watch the video not just read the quotes

https://www.torontofc.ca/video/training-sound-bob-bradley-september-15-2022#training-sound-bob-bradley-september-15-2022

[Amir.]

The usual postgame meltdown lol

Take deep breaths relax and enjoy the rebuild for 2023

Nothing is easy in this league specially not making playoffs

The great Bruce Arena and New England who won the Supporters Shield last year with the most points in MLS history have just missed playoffs

[portu]

Story yesterday.

https://edmontonsun.com/sports/soccer/mls/toronto-fc/despite-the-hype-the-cradle-did-not-always-rock-for-toronto-fc-this-season/wcm/b23ce795-a177-4d8c-abcf-c68bf3d87e7d

For his part, Bradley suggested that he was disappointed with the development of some of the club’s hyped-up youngsters, who will almost certainly not get the same chances to start next season. TFC will no doubt strengthen certain positions in the off-season with older, more proven players. For some of the youngsters, the bus has come and left.
Article content“I’m not going to go through each guy,” said Bradley, a coach who has shown a knack in the past for developing young players. “Sometimes you need more time, (but) have all of them developed as quickly as I would have hoped this year? No, not necessarily.”
Bradley talked about how Kaye joined his 2018 LAFC team from the USL in 2018, barely out of his teens, and how the Toronto native felt MLS was “all too much for him” at first.
“It was going too fast. He felt like, ‘I can’t do it,’” said Bradley. “But he was really open to being coached and football ideas that he picked up he could process and apply them. And you saw him at a certain point starting to gain confidence and you started to see consistency. You could see after 5-6-7 games how it was going up and up and up and up. I don’t think that’s been the case for enough of the young guys (with TFC) this year. So that’s the challenge for all of them.
Article content“I can’t give you the final rundown on where they’re all going to be (next season),” added the coach.
“Anywhere you go in the world, young players are trying to earn respect, or trying to gain opportunities. (But) then when (opportunity) comes, it’s not a given. And it’s not always just a nice, smooth path. I’ve told a lot of them that this year – that the work to become a top pro it’s not like you just had a game or two and it goes up, that now it’s guaranteed that it’s going to keep skyrocketing. How you deal with it, how you go through a rough stretch, how you continue to believe in the work that’s being done, how committed you are. There’s been a lot of in-house discussions (about that).”
The bottom line: For most of TFC’s young guns, starts are going to be few and far between going forward. When asked if he expects the club to upgrade the roster in certain positions next year, Bradley replied: “1,000 per cent.”

Thanks, Jloome - much appreciated.

This is kind of stunning given how basically the kids were never put in a position to succeed. How do you not acknowledge that as a coach while openly going after them?

[reggie]

this is for bob and bill https://c.tenor.com/PMXu_39gwlcAAAAC/claude-aftv.gif

[Auzzy]

Man this was a freaking depressing season. It's always worse after you get your hopes up a bit. You start off thinking: new coach (can't be worse), new chance, a bunch of changes. Then the first half of the season gets really bad. Followed by more naive hope: a couple of expensive internationals coming in, we'll make a run, team does pretty well for a while. Yet followed by: back to mostly bleak: "new" coach totally inflexible and lacking all self-awareness towards himself and his team. The new players get the excitement drilled out of them. Giving up many goals per game, but absolutely no change in tactics to avoid that.

Oh but 40% more for tickets next season, woohoo!!!

[Auzzy]

The usual postgame meltdown lol

Take deep breaths relax and enjoy the rebuild for 2023

Nothing is easy in this league specially not making playoffs

The great Bruce Arena and New England who won the Supporters Shield last year with the most points in MLS history have just missed playoffs

LOL. How about you take some deep breaths and think about it a bit harder? We've been taking deep breaths and "enjoying" rebuilds most of the time since 2007. Are you new here?

[portu]

The usual postgame meltdown lol

Take deep breaths relax and enjoy the rebuild for 2023

Nothing is easy in this league specially not making playoffs

The great Bruce Arena and New England who won the Supporters Shield last year with the most points in MLS history have just missed playoffs

Competing for playoffs is a sign of being average in this league. Half the league gets into the playoffs.

We were barely ever in competition - this isn’t good enough.

Don’t condescend with this deep breaths nonsense

[Auzzy]

Competing for playoffs is a sign of being average in this league. Half the league gets into the playoffs.

We were barely ever in competition - this isn’t good enough.

Don’t condescend with this deep breaths nonsense

I agree, especially about the condescending part. I've had a TON of patience for this team, including during almost all this season. At some point you have to realize that a shit sandwich ain't turning into a filet mignon.

[NK Toronto]

This has nothing to do with tonight's game, but one topic that never really was discussed much is why did Danny Dicchio leave TFC to coach Sacramento? Couldn't he have coached TFC II, or been made an assistant with TFC?

[Section 223]

This is Armas level bad
Do you guys want to hear something hilarious? About 2 1/2 years ago my brother was banned from this site for constantly making negative comments about the TFC front office , Now everyone on here is doing the same. Hahaha

[Auzzy]

Do you guys want to hear something hilarious? About 2 1/2 years ago my brother was banned from this site for constantly making negative comments about the TFC front office , Now everyone on here is doing the same. Hahaha

I guess some people can be incredibly annoying even if they turn out to be right now and then.

[FootBallAZ]

Do you guys want to hear something hilarious? About 2 1/2 years ago my brother was banned from this site for constantly making negative comments about the TFC front office , Now everyone on here is doing the same. Hahaha

I been doing it since- the handling of Seba and Jozy.

This year I stepped back because it seemed like a lot of others who believed in this management took others subjective views personally and seemed to create a divide in this forum- first time I've seen this- wasn't as borderline toxic with Armas as its been with BB.


Almostef reminded me of raptors board and the TWO movement vs treadmill- toxic as fk

[Auzzy]

OK folks, no use getting ourselves all in a huff about a mix of highly-paid professionals and a bunch of journeymen. On a team owned by two members of Canada's suffocating media and telecom oligopoly. What a weird thing this ownership and this league actually is. It's surprising they at least let us have a good time now and then.


Peace out and good night!

[ag futbol]

I’m okay with missing the playoffs. Chances of this being a rebuilding year were always high.

But we missed it in a Chris Armas, Mo Johnston, “everything looks dysfunctional and time won’t fix it” sort of way. This isn’t like the early days with Vanney when the team looked okay but Perquis is playing CB and nobody was in midfield to be a creative catalyst.

If the board has any sense they’ll call Manning and Bradley the second the final whistle blows and tell them to clean out their desks. Harsh deal for Bob but not sure what he’s offing that warrants him staying.

[Auzzy]

If the board has any sense they’ll call Manning and Bradley the second the final whistle blows and tell them to clean out their desks.

But but but... Bill Manning knows how to type www.transfermarkt.com (http://www.transfermarkt.com) into his browser. Talent like that is hard to find!

Oh wait, I was supposed to be gone already. Ok now I'm really gone. Good night!

[NK Toronto]

The best thing that could happen to TFC is if they were bought by a very wealthy person who is passionate about football, and who would then build a new football only stadium that is fully enclosed on all 4 sides. Anything owned by MLSE is eventually run into the ground

[OgtheDim]

In that video, BB was asked if the slide was partly due to Oso being out. He didn't say "yes" but he came darn close to saying "we don't know how to adjust". Yeh...that bit there bugs me. A team should not be this bad simply because 1 player goes out.


If we lose either Insigne or Oso for a match, we are not good enough.

[OgtheDim]

Anyways, neither Manning nor BB are going anywhere until next season's story is written.

[JoesphNdo]

The best thing that could happen to TFC is if they were bought by a very wealthy person who is passionate about football, and who would then build a new football only stadium that is fully enclosed on all 4 sides. Anything owned by MLSE is eventually run into the ground

To be fair MLSE have invested more in this team than any sane investor ever would. Any other owner would probably see us cut costs massively

The issue is who they've trusted with that money. We had one component person with the wallet and did great, everyone else calling the shots have had a pretty spectacularly poor return on that investment

[NK Toronto]

Well at least we had 2017..... which is more than what Leafs fans can say.

[jaxul]

I assume all players are still getting their paycheck this week in spite of the performance. There should be more merit-based remuneration in professional sports. I also agree with MLS bringing in relegation as someone else suggested above.

[OgtheDim]

Reminder that Bez is why we had Zavs until last year & why we still have Bono - also Bez managed to torpedo a lot of good will in Columbus by attempting to change their logo..

If people want to fire the current president, Bez is not a good replacement

[FootBallAZ]

Do you guys want to hear something hilarious? About 2 1/2 years ago my brother was banned from this site for constantly making negative comments about the TFC front office , Now everyone on here is doing the same. Hahaha


In that video, BB was asked if the slide was partly due to Oso being out. He didn't say "yes" but he came darn close to saying "we don't know how to adjust". Yeh...that bit there bugs me. A team should not be this bad simply because 1 player goes out.


If we lose either Insigne or Oso for a match, we are not good enough.


Or should have kept some mid field depth .

[JoesphNdo]

Reminder that Bez is why we had Zavs until last year & why we still have Bono - also Bez managed to torpedo a lot of good will in Columbus by attempting to change their logo..

If people want to fire the current president, Bez is not a good replacement

People love to cherry pick certain outcomes for some reason but nobody can credibly explain to me results pre Bez - results with Bez - results after Bez with anything that isn't he's the only competent GM we've ever had. Perfect? No. But not batting 1000 on every decision with the benefit of hindsight is a criteria nobody could be judged under

If you have an argument that explains those three eras of results (specifically the EXTREME delta of those results) as anything that isn't the only competent GM we've ever had I'm all ears but "what about this one specific contract!" Or "what about the signings that didn't work while we were dominating the league!" Isn't it. And that isn't even getting into winning a cup with a team with like ten percent of the resources we have.

Results speak. Start middle and end of discussion

[reggie]

ok we kinda knew we were not making the playoffs,but they added 5 so called starters,(i think kaye is average at best)and now they are getting embarrassed ,to me that shows they stopped playing for BB.he must go.

[OgtheDim]

I believe Bez is partly responsible for 2018 & for what he left the team with, the end of 2020 into 2021. He was good - but I would not say he's a guarantee "winner".

[Ultra & Proud]

Well I really didn't want to get on here as my Dad passed this morning and I didn't need the negativity but after that match I will say this:

1) Conway has officially ruined every GK we ever had. We have no starting level GKs

2) We have no starting level CBs

3) We have no starting level CFs

4) The players have mailed it in for 2022

5) Laryea is largely terrible. I know people watch him with blinders but he is barely playing above Kosi level defensively. Absolutely terrible. He'll probably be back because he really isn't good enough for the championship much less the EPL.

6) Our Italians need a rest because they don't look great either and we all know they are. As soon as the travel miles kicked in, they fell off and so did we.

7) Bob has until June as a coach and realistically this winter seals his fate as anything going forward as a director of any kind with this organization. His seat is hot even though this season never mattered. It still should have ended more put together than this.

That's it. Peace everyone.

[reggie]

Well I really didn't want to get on here as my Dad passed this morning and I didn't need the negativity but after that match I will say this:

1) Conway has officially ruined every GK we ever had. We have no starting level GKs

2) We have no starting level CBs

3) We have no starting level CFs

4) The players have mailed it in for 2022

5) Laryea is largely terrible. I know people watch him with blinders but he is barely playing above Kosi level defensively. Absolutely terrible. He'll probably be back because he really isn't good enough for the championship much less the EPL.


6) Our Italians need a rest because they don't look great either and we all know they are. As soon as the travel miles kicked in, they fell off and so did we.

7) Bob has until June as a coach and realistically this winter seals his fate as anything going forward as a director of any kind with this organization. His seat is hot even though this season never mattered. It still should have ended more put together than this.

That's it. Peace everyone.
my condolences

[jloome]

Well I really didn't want to get on here as my Dad passed this morning and I didn't need the negativity but after that match I will say this:

1) Conway has officially ruined every GK we ever had. We have no starting level GKs

2) We have no starting level CBs

3) We have no starting level CFs

4) The players have mailed it in for 2022

5) Laryea is largely terrible. I know people watch him with blinders but he is barely playing above Kosi level defensively. Absolutely terrible. He'll probably be back because he really isn't good enough for the championship much less the EPL.

6) Our Italians need a rest because they don't look great either and we all know they are. As soon as the travel miles kicked in, they fell off and so did we.

7) Bob has until June as a coach and realistically this winter seals his fate as anything going forward as a director of any kind with this organization. His seat is hot even though this season never mattered. It still should have ended more put together than this.

That's it. Peace everyone.

My condolences dude. My father died three years ago. It's never easy and I wish I could say something to make it less difficult.

[daner90]

https://images.thestar.com/L9qSROnVGlQSGdScV7RBrXy2fFw=/1200x800/smart/filters:cb(1561501857043)/https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/sports/tfc/2019/06/25/toronto-fc-coach-greg-vanney/vanney.jpg

Some wanted him gone, and got their wish. I'll give time to rebuild, but I don't think we're playing better technically now than under him.


Well I really didn't want to get on here as my Dad passed this morning and I didn't need the negativity but after that match I will say this:

1) Conway has officially ruined every GK we ever had. We have no starting level GKs

2) We have no starting level CBs

3) We have no starting level CFs

4) The players have mailed it in for 2022

5) Laryea is largely terrible. I know people watch him with blinders but he is barely playing above Kosi level defensively. Absolutely terrible. He'll probably be back because he really isn't good enough for the championship much less the EPL.

6) Our Italians need a rest because they don't look great either and we all know they are. As soon as the travel miles kicked in, they fell off and so did we.

7) Bob has until June as a coach and realistically this winter seals his fate as anything going forward as a director of any kind with this organization. His seat is hot even though this season never mattered. It still should have ended more put together than this.

That's it. Peace everyone.
Thoughts are with you my friend. Please reach out if you need anything

[los sonadores]

I notice Bob threw the kids under the bus in the media yesterday, too. If this was a building year, what was he expecting? 19 year old academy players to blossom into first teamers overnight?

Yeah, that sounded ingenuous. Getting rid of your full backs, starting teenage wingers in their place and what do you expect? Not to mention the other decisions as Sporting Director. I’d like to hear a little bit of accountability there or at least something reasonable.

He said the same thing about Priso after he got rid of him… has to learn how to play, etc. Well, let’s see an overall structure in which he’s likely to succeed.

As I’ve said previously though, I don’t think this season was about developing the kids. It was about taking an axe to the roster (as Davidson put it) and starting from ground zero.

[los sonadores]

I mean, allegedly BB is a really smart guy and things will snap together next year but it’s hard not to doubt of bit of what we’re doing here on every level.

Player acquisition, tactical decisions, team unity… everything feels a bit foul

It’s all a fine balance. Turning over 21 guys means a compromised training camp. The idea that you can prepare to play a certain way when the Italians arrive - with guys that can’t keep up with the play and aren’t experienced or sophisticated enough to play this way - is nonsense. And then even with the additions, we have rarely had a good enough starting eleven.

Maybe the biggest frustration is the lack of adaptation by the manager. We can all see possibilities for trying, at least, to get something more out of the roster (even as thin as it is). But that hasn’t been happening - not enough - all year.

At the same time, I think we would have made the playoffs if we had the current best eleven healthy for ten matches or so. And maybe a keeper on $550,000 who wasn’t a rank amateur.

I’m willing to see what happens next year with a proper camp, a really good starting eleven and some genuinely useful guys on the bench. Though that’s not a given… it’s quite a bit of work to get there.

[OgtheDim]

Well I really didn't want to get on here as my Dad passed this morning and I didn't need the negativity but after that match I will say this:

1) Conway has officially ruined every GK we ever had. We have no starting level GKs

2) We have no starting level CBs

3) We have no starting level CFs

4) The players have mailed it in for 2022

5) Laryea is largely terrible. I know people watch him with blinders but he is barely playing above Kosi level defensively. Absolutely terrible. He'll probably be back because he really isn't good enough for the championship much less the EPL.

6) Our Italians need a rest because they don't look great either and we all know they are. As soon as the travel miles kicked in, they fell off and so did we.

7) Bob has until June as a coach and realistically this winter seals his fate as anything going forward as a director of any kind with this organization. His seat is hot even though this season never mattered. It still should have ended more put together than this.

That's it. Peace everyone.

Peace & thoughts with you....13 years ago since my Dad died & I still wish I could talk to him about things.

[Loyal]

Toronto Sun on Saturday

[Auzzy]

Well I really didn't want to get on here as my Dad passed this morning and I didn't need the negativity but after that match I will say this:

...

That's it. Peace everyone.

So sorry to hear this. Peace to you and your family!

[reggie]

yes...MB is a legend,but man i an really sick of seeing him play every second of every minute of every game no matter what the score is,what is his dad trying to prove,and our keeping omg,westberg looked like a jr b butterfly style keeper last night,what a nightmare of season,but i cant wait until next season

[Gogon]

That's it. Peace everyone.

Ah damn. I’m so sorry to learn this. Losing a parent leaves such a sorrowful void. I can promise with time, memories will fill in the emptiness, and they will be good memories, and they will bring you smiles. But not in the moment. Nothing eases the pain in the moment. My thoughts are with you and your family.

[Auzzy]

I think that BB is too inflexible. I'm not sure if that's fixable, especially in this league.

More in the roster thread.

[nick.mastro]

Yesterday was the first day that I’m actually growing impatient with BB. I understand it’s a building year, and am trying to keep calm. But these last few games, especially even the ones being at home, have been pretty pathetic. And now starting to wonder that coaching is playing a part as well

[Mr. Inbetween]

https://images.thestar.com/L9qSROnVGlQSGdScV7RBrXy2fFw=/1200x800/smart/filters:cb(1561501857043)/https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/sports/tfc/2019/06/25/toronto-fc-coach-greg-vanney/vanney.jpg

Some wanted him gone, and got their wish. I'll give time to rebuild, but I don't think we're playing better technically now than under him.

Well, if we are taking any cues from SerieA or the EPL, their teams... some misters do return for a second and even third stint.

[Mr. Inbetween]

Well I really didn't want to get on here as my Dad passed this morning and I didn't need the negativity but after that match I will say this:... That's it. Peace everyone.

My condolences U&P.
A trying experience and time.
Recently went through it myself; during one of the Covid waves.
Not easy; keep on keeping on.

[Prof]

Mo Babouli playing for York United is a better mid fielder than anything we have other than Osorio. Sign him for the last 2 games.:drinking:

[Mr. Inbetween]

My tower of belief is starting to sway; I am starting to wobble.
Maybe it is 'foundation' issues as many may be suggesting.
Maybe 'the builder' is at fault.

I guess with the loss it's now official...
TFC must begin to 'prepare to prepare'...
The 2022 MLS Off-Season Calendar for Player Moves is soon upon us...

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/2022-mls-offseason-calendar-for-player-moves

https://y.yarn.co/d13117ae-b82b-4241-b3aa-98f5150429de_text.gif

[Mr. Inbetween]

Mo Babouli playing for York United is a better mid fielder than anything we have other than Osorio. Sign him for the last 2 games.:drinking:

I suspect dodging bomb craters on the pitch during match play at club level in Syria did not work out.

[Mr. Inbetween]

There are no other CB's.


it's not who's playing it's how he's using them.

If you don't have the players with sufficient speed to push up to the half, don't push up to the half.

it's so fucking naive a kid playing football manager could figure it out.


I can confirm I was that kid

Ok class, kids, lets go, take your seats.
Eyes front, now have a look at these two graphs being projected on the screen.
What do you see?
Notice anything?
Can a correlation be made?
Or any cause and effect?

Bob Bradley, stop kidding yourself!

Playing the kids did not work out.

https://twitter.com/Total_TFC/status/1571318155351576577

https://twitter.com/Total_TFC/status/1571314972856025088

[Richard]

The one constant in our 16 year existence is shit defense. Aside from Vanney no other coach has got a handle on it and even he had some down years as well.

[NK Toronto]

The one constant in our 16 year existence is shit defense. Aside from Vanney no other coach has got a handle on it and even he had some down years as well.

...and bad goalkeeping.

[Blindside16]

Well I really didn't want to get on here as my Dad passed this morning and I didn't need the negativity but after that match I will say this:


2) We have no starting level CBs



First and foremost my condolences on your loss. My you and family find peace and comfort within each other in this difficult time.

I agree with your entire post but will say to the CB point, Mavinga is a starting level CB provided he can stay healthy and his personal life remains calm. If not then yeah we have no CBs still

[Canary10]

Condolences Ultra.

I share concerns, but don't think we should overreact to these last few meaningless games, especially against teams that are playing for something. Bound to be some ugly games in there.

[613reppingTFC]

https://twitter.com/Total_TFC/status/1571314972856025088

Yes and keep in mind as Canary said things could get ugly here. Miami fighting for their life to stay in the playoffs.
Then you have Philly, unless they rotate the squad, (which they might not if they are still trying to get the shield) They handily beat Orlando 5-1 and in the last 10 games they have scored 34 goals. I sure hope we don't concede more than 5 in the next two games.