Match Day 27 - TFC @ Inter Ft. Lauderdale Sat Aug 20 8:08pm - Just Give Me A Reason

[OgtheDim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpQFFLBMEPI

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Have at It People

[Bushmancan]

Looks like Poz is already making his mark….https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mls/inter-miami/article264633041.html

[los sonadores]

Looks like Poz is already making his mark….https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mls/inter-miami/article264633041.html

Happy for him. Even if it means we probably don’t get more than 3 out of 6 points against them.

According to Higuain’s comments in the article, sounds like Poz is being used correctly and in a system that suits him. For those calling for him to have stayed here as a false nine, he was never very good at it. The more range he’s allowed, including deep lying, the more you’re going to get out of him and his huge contract.

As a ten, Vanney pushed him as high as humanly possible but he did it carefully and purposefully. Playing him as a false nine was simply because there were no other viable options up front at the time.

[Yuushalinsky]

it's away but I still have pretty big expectations - let's make up that ground

[SenorDingDong]

it's away but I still have pretty big expectations - let's make up that ground

I'm thinking a draw would be a good result.

I expect Miami to come out of the gate hard and fast. If we can whether the early storm could maybe look for a result.

We certainly need good keeping and defending to have any chance.

Higuaín and Insigne played at Napoli together for a number of years so I'm sure it will be happy for them to see each other.

[Ultra & Proud]

Expecting this to be a close one. Although Bono is Bono, he usually can bounce back to being average after a disasterous performance.

[Yuushalinsky]

Expecting this to be a close one. Although Bono is Bono, he usually can bounce back to being average after a disasterous performance.

The manz just needs a coach that's not going to ass-pat him every time he makes a mistake. I'm starting to think Conway is the common denominator here.

[Kamp Berg]

The manz just needs a coach that's not going to ass-pat him every time he makes a mistake. I'm starting to think Conway is the common denominator here.

The anecdotal evidence is pretty damning. Hopefully Bradley finds replacements for both of them this off-season.

[Ultra & Proud]

The anecdotal evidence is pretty damning. Hopefully Bradley finds replacements for both of them this off-season.
I'm still shocked BB didn't bring in his own guy. Or Armas even but who knows what mess that one would have been.

[Oldtimer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpQFFLBMEPI

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Have at It People

Pink? :yellow:

Too mainstream for you Og.

[jloome]

I assume Apple is now killing YouTube code
as I'm seeing no video for the second-straight game.

Sigh. Hopefully your dog is spared.

[OgtheDim]

Pink? :yellow:

Too mainstream for you Og.

These 3 game weeks are just not good on us older players...we need more recovery time. :conehead:

[Kamp Berg]

I'm still shocked BB didn't bring in his own guy. Or Armas even but who knows what mess that one would have been.

Definitely a weird situation.

[Oldtimer]

These 3 game weeks are just not good on us older players...we need more recovery time. :conehead:

Well, like MB you're an ironman playing every game! Respect.

[OgtheDim]

Well if you insist....the best musician ever from around those parts (I just couldn't find a mental link somehow from a bass jazz dude to this game)

Maybe the one quote I saw


once Jaco was asked, "what's the future of jazz?" and responded with something like, "Well, next week, I'll be in Miami."

Whats the future of MLS

"Well next week, TFC will be in Miami"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cpwaq7CxD4

[OgtheDim]

The view from Miami on this one.... (must disable adblocker)

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mls/inter-miami/article264687624.html

Kaufman is the best follow for day to day Inter Miami information.

[noxx98]

The view from Miami on this one.... (must disable adblocker)

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mls/inter-miami/article264687624.html

Kaufman is the best follow for day to day Inter Miami information.
The highlight for me was they're running a 2 for 1 ticket sale... $29 can get you two seats.

[jloome]

The view from Miami on this one.... (must disable adblocker)

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mls/inter-miami/article264687624.html

Kaufman is the best follow for day to day Inter Miami information.

She was writing for the Herald when
I was a reporter 25 years ago.
Covered the Marlins for a
long time.

[jloome]

The highlight for me was they're running a 2 for 1 ticket sale... $29 can get you two seats.
They're only drawing 12,000 a game. I don't care if they're in temporary digs, that number has to
worry MLS.

[Initial B]

The anecdotal evidence is pretty damning. Hopefully Bradley finds replacements for both of them this off-season.

I'm still shocked BB didn't bring in his own guy. Or Armas even but who knows what mess that one would have been.

Definitely a weird situation.

That's why I'm saying that there must be some Bogers angle that's keeping Conway in that position. He must know someone with influence, and that person is Andi Petrillo. They got married in 2012 - the same year Conway began as the TFCAcademy keeper coach. He appears to be the one true untouchable in the organization.

[Kamp Berg]

That's why I'm saying that there must be some Bogers angle that's keeping Conway in that position. He must know someone with influence, and that person is Andi Petrillo. They got married in 2012 - the same year Conway began as the TFCAcademy keeper coach. He appears to be the one true untouchable in the organization.

If he really is untouchable, that’s a pretty big and glaring organizational weakness.

[Ultra & Proud]

That's why I'm saying that there must be some Bogers angle that's keeping Conway in that position. He must know someone with influence, and that person is Andi Petrillo. They got married in 2012 - the same year Conway began as the TFCAcademy keeper coach. He appears to be the one true untouchable in the organization.
There's something there for sure but they should just shuffle him off to some behind the scenes role where he can do less damage. Make him a ticket rep or something.

[jloome]

If he really is untouchable, that’s a pretty big and glaring organizational weakness.

Andi Petrillo does not have the required influence.

Inarguable point. She's nowhere near the TV profile required to have pull with a company she doesn't even work for.

[Ultra & Proud]

Andi Petrillo does not have the required influence.

Inarguable point. She's nowhere near the TV profile required to have pull with a company she doesn't even work for.
There must be some reason because he isn't good enough to survive 3 managers and full bench clean outs.

[Kamp Berg]

Andi Petrillo does not have the required influence.

Inarguable point. She's nowhere near the TV profile required to have pull with a company she doesn't even work for.

I was thinking more along the lines of either the Italian connection or a blind spot for someone who says the right things and manages to deflect fault.
No matter the reality, it’s not good.

[Hala Hrvatska]

There must be some reason because he isn't good enough to survive 3 managers and full bench clean outs.

Like Manning, perhaps has nudes on mlse upper mgt? Nothing else explains it...lol

[Hala Hrvatska]

Please someone tell me Kaye is playing finally?

its literally now, win all out or the playoffs are done.

[jloome]

There must be some reason because he isn't good enough to survive 3 managers and full bench clean outs.

Given how little evidence or information we have from which to draw conclusions, you could just as easily conclude Bono would be even worse if he wasn't here.

The only really good season he ever had we had Drew Moor marshalling the league's best defence in front of him.

He's been an accident waiting to happen for six other seasons. Maybe he's just not a very good keeper.

Blaming Conway on nothing but assumptions that someone else would've done better also assumes four straight managers have no judgment regarding their support team.

More probably, Bono's ceiling was always as a very good backup who can pass as a starter on a defensively strong team. And Q is a 35-year-old who spent most of his career as a backup, was always undersized, and had COVID before the season started.

[jloome]

Most of the online odds people seem to be picking us again.

[noxx98]

It’s so hard to judge Conway’s performance (or any assistant coach really). Most of their work is done at training which none of us are privy too. To jloome’s point, maybe our GKing would be much worse without him (although that’s maybe hard to believe). My view is though that it’s probably worth bringing in a new face just to try something different.

[Mr. Inbetween]

Regarding Pozuelo...
'Someone Great'... for 'someones' great.
I am more than ok with this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DNZY9zO49c (http://
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DNZY9zO49c)

[leedsandTFC]

when was the last time we won an away game in florida?

[Mr. Inbetween]

Again and again, as a raging sea crashes upon the rocks of a shoreline...

https://formation-images-cdn.homecrowd.io/images/HCD/2022/8/15/i6RUMOYRPjjGDKia9H1i.pngToronto FC, MLS

[los sonadores]

when was the last time we won an away game in florida?

Yeah, not very often it seems. Expected temperature at 7pm will be 30c with 60% humidity. I’m sure the Italians will enjoy that after a 2500 km flight. MLS is fun!

[los sonadores]

Again and again, as a raging sea crashes upon the rocks of a shoreline...

https://formation-images-cdn.homecrowd.io/images/HCD/2022/8/15/i6RUMOYRPjjGDKia9H1i.pngToronto FC, MLS

Any signs at all of Marc-Antonio being fit to play?

[Mr. Inbetween]

Any signs at all of Marc-Antonio being fit to play?

All I have seen is his MLS designation as 'Questionable'.
IDEK if he made the trip.

[OgtheDim]

MAK is questionable....I would hope he can come off the bench vs. Charlotte.

[OgtheDim]

FWIW, there will be a pregame on TSN4.

[Hala Hrvatska]

Ok boys, lets win this!

I was down in Florida two weeks ago in Miami...its humid af down there...hope the boys are ready.

[ronzilla]

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1561130039374188545

[ronzilla]

Akinola starting over JJ.

Good move.

[OgtheDim]

Current weather in Fort Lauderdale - 31 with 74% humidity so feeling like 36. No call for thunderstorms.

&

3 day week

&

No resting

Team is going to be SLOW SLOW SLOW, especially in the second half.

Mental mistakes are going to happen & if something goes wrong, tempers are going to fray.


THIS is the game I figured we'd lose this week.

[OgtheDim]

Akinola starting over JJ.

Good move.

JJ not on the bench - something is up.

Akinola won't go 90


A night of Peruzza beckons....

[OgtheDim]

FWIW, Neville sticks with the 3-4-2-1

https://twitter.com/InterMiamiCF/status/1561130055102783490

[DavemTFC]

Not a single new starter? I know they're all huge downgrades but boy are the first 11 ever going to be running on empty

[rydermike]

No Jesus. Did he pick up a knock last game? Didn't see anything from my seat

[OgtheDim]

No Jesus. Did he pick up a knock last game? Didn't see anything from my seat

Quote from the pregame was "Jiminez will join the team again in training on Tuesday"

That sounds like a visa or family issue that will be rectified.

[rydermike]

If Pozuelo gets a PK, what are the odds he tries a panenka?

[rydermike]

Quote from the pregame was "Jiminez will join the team again in training on Tuesday"

That sounds like a visa or family issue that will be rectified.

Thanks. Just tuned in now, so I missed the pregame

[Gringo Starr]

Perruzza has to get a chance tonight

[OgtheDim]

My gawd this TV direction is awful....

[los sonadores]

Miami looks somewhat built for the weather - Brazil x2, Argentina, Spain, Jamaica….

[James17930]

Looks like we've helped Miami finally sell some tickets.

[Richard]

My gawd this TV direction is awful....

In regards to actual angles it's a major improvement on anything at BMO.

[James17930]

Every single corner so far has been whipped in really close to the net, really close to the goalkeeper. I wonder if that's intentional for some reason. Maybe they should start sending it out it further and trying to get shots from a bigger distance.

[rydermike]

Bono smh

[OgtheDim]

Sigh...

[SirBobSaget]

Bono is gonna tank us single handedly. Put in Greg R whatever

[benito]

Brutal

[James17930]

Throw Bono into the ocean and leave him there.

I'm fucking sick of this garbage.

[FootBallAZ]

Cannot blame goalkeeper coach for that

Lack of concentration

[Smokecell]

Our expectations were low but holy fuck

[Inklink]

What a sick joke.

BB show some spine and sub him off right away.

[Richard]

Bono smh

I really, really dont want to be right.

Before this year started I stated that if we still have Bono starting we will not make playoffs.

Bono single handedly has already cost us many points. He is a net negative.

[Ultra & Proud]

Could Ranjitsingh be worse than Bono?

Is anyone worse than Bono?

[Inklink]

Lorenzooooooooooooooo

[rydermike]

Money

[OgtheDim]

There is nothing that can said about that.

Our starting GK just did one of the worst keeper plays this year....maybe the worst one I've ever seen a TFC keeper do.


We will have to score 3 each game.

[benito]

What a finish! Lorenzo!!!

[Richard]

What a fucking goal.

[OgtheDim]

Has anybody got the Miami feed? I'd like to hear what Ray Hudson made of that goal.

[jloome]

Bono = Italians must score at least three
Ed: Og beat me to it

[Richard]

If that isn't goal of week.......

[Gringo Starr]

How does Gavran look with TFC 2

[FootBallAZ]

Has anybody got the Miami feed? I'd like to hear what Ray Hudson made of that goal.

He went off

Didn't need his team mates
Had options to control it, pass it


Goalasooo golasoo

[James17930]

He said something about 'using the gravitational pull of the moon to place it perfectly in the corner.' lol

[Richard]

Miami stream if anyone wants it.

http://kj.freestreams-live1.com/mls-4/

[rydermike]

I know it won't be because it was a shot, but that should be credited as an own goal for Bono. That's a basic keeper save - you let it hit your chest and trap it against your body, you don't stick your palms out and try to catch it with your palms for that reason, so it doesn't hit them and just keep going straight. They teach you that as a kid.

[OgtheDim]

https://twitter.com/WakingtheRed/status/1561151346694316032


Hudson going nuts....

[Inklink]

More fine set piece defending.

[rydermike]

How many goals off set pieces is that this season?

[Ultra & Proud]

I think a MLS level GK stops that.

[boozilla]

I will miss that Canadiana tifo:
HARD
CORE
BONO

[FootBallAZ]

Bono over played badly

[Richard]

Does Roy commentate on PSG games? I'm getting nostalgic vibes from his Messi calls haha.

[OgtheDim]

I think a MLS level GK stops that.


I think an MLS level GK makes sure his defenders mark better on free kicks then that.....he yells at them in training to be much better.

[DinamoTFC]

LOL Poz

[Ultra & Proud]

I agree with the above sentiment that we will not make the playoffs with Bono in net. We don't deserve to make it with him starting. Whole team showing improvement except one regressing when he's needed most. And he wasn't even at a good level to regress from.

[Bobo]

Who is TFC's set-piece coach and when can we blast him into space with Bono?

[Inklink]

Who is TFC's set-piece coach and when can we blast him into space with Bono?

Look at Bradley and others with cement feet, always outmatched on balls in the air.

[Ultra & Proud]

I think an MLS level GK makes sure his defenders mark better on free kicks then that.....he yells at them in training to be much better.
This was always his downfall and ours but he's back to his 2015 hands of stone and running all over, out of position styles.

[Richard]

I agree with the above sentiment that we will not make the playoffs with Bono in net. We don't deserve to make it with him starting. Whole team showing improvement except one regressing when he's needed most. And he wasn't even at a good level to regress from.

I'm fairly certain his very first game for us he had a calamitous error that was very similar to this game.

[rydermike]

Here's Hudson calling the first goal
https://twitter.com/TransfersMLS/status/1561150367445966849

[SirBobSaget]

I'm fairly certain his very first game for us he had a calamitous error that was very similar to this game.

TFC was up 2 players vs San Jose and Bono got scored on from like 40 yards out.

[ronzilla]

Back to back blunders from bono. Time to ship him out!

Beauty goal from Lorenzo.

[los sonadores]

I think an MLS level GK makes sure his defenders mark better on free kicks then that.....he yells at them in training to be much better.

His game is lacking in many areas but that isn’t unusual for a MLS keeper. But it’s his mentality that means he should not be a starting keeper.

He’s a good guy in the locker room, probably okay in practice. He’s a good shot stopper when the D in front of him is sound and doesn’t need his direction, and he’s good when things are going very well. But he is in no way mentally tough enough. His overall game hasn’t been able to rebound from grave errors for the past few seasons.

[OgtheDim]

TFC was up 2 players vs San Jose and Bono got scored on from like 40 yards out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ9EK4vyFOU

3 minutes in - not quite 40 yards - misjudged the flight of the ball

[Bushmancan]

I am taking a different approach. Management has failed Bono miserably, he is ruined with zero confidence, if we are playing the kids, time for Ranjitsingh. As soon as Westberg went down, re-starting Bono was cruel. he needs a new home.

btw we have to win. Montreal is doing its part.

[los sonadores]

All the night’s results going our way… except our own.

[Bushmancan]

I’m calling 4-3 TFC win

Edit 3-2 works as well

[boozilla]

WE ARE HIRING!
Reliable goaltenders. MLS, NHL experience preferred.
-MLSE

[rydermike]

WE ARE HIRING!
Reliable goaltenders. MLS, NHL experience preferred.
-MLSE
Maybe Roberto Luongo is still interested
https://www.bardown.com/roberto-luongo-was-ready-to-join-the-whitecaps-as-an-emergency-backup-goalie-1.1499205

[Ultra & Proud]

I am taking a different approach. Management has failed Bono miserably, he is ruined with zero confidence, if we are playing the kids, time for Ranjitsingh. As soon as Westberg went down, re-starting Bono was cruel. he needs a new home.

btw we have to win. Montreal is doing its part.
He was this bad for years. Got papered over by the 2017 team. That season was an outlier for him. Irwin was better.

He is like Conway, still here and still at this level for no known reason.

[jloome]

Ayo's pressure is terrible. Quits in every run defensively. Looks like Jozy coached him, his pressing is so poor.

[OgtheDim]

Miami stream if anyone wants it.

http://kj.freestreams-live1.com/mls-4/


Sooo much better then TSN.

[zorsofstesab]

AYO. I cannot watch him anymore. :facepalm:

[ag futbol]

He was this bad for years. Got papered over by the 2017 team. That season was an outlier for him. Irwin was better.

He is like Conway, still here and still at this level for no known reason.
Drew Moor and a prime year Michael Bradley covered a lot things. Made Bono’s job immeasurably easier, and others.

The rebuild shall continue it appears. But the nature of this team scoring goals on a whim and giving them away on half a whim is extremely frustrating.

[rydermike]

How far down the depth chart is perruzza?

[OgtheDim]

Achara instead of Peruzza...

[Inklink]

Ayo got in half a kilometer of work and goes off.

[jloome]

This is a possibly shrewd move. The one thing Achara does well is press, and Miami looks like they have a mistake in them.

[James17930]

Ayo got in half a kilometer of work and goes off.

He was pretty good. Still trying to regain his touch, but he put in a lot of running.

[Inklink]

Insigne is a little sloppier with the ball than I was expecting, tbh

But of course has moments of magic

[Richard]

I'm going to miss Laryea when he is gone again. In MLS he is such a baller FB.

[Inklink]

How is that a foul against Laryea??

[rydermike]

Thats not a penalty?! He's just threw a forearm at Bernadeschi

[Inklink]

Lol, Lowe gets two freebies in the box in 2 minutes.

[Richard]

How is that not a penalty?

[benito]

Thats got to be pk against fede!

[OgtheDim]

Miami isn't that good but they do have a better keeper...that's the difference so far.

[OgtheDim]

Criscito is our 4th DP.....

[Ultra & Proud]

Miami isn't that good but they do have a better keeper...that's the difference so far.

Who doesn't?

Seriously.

[leafsman]

MLS will never be a top league with these refs

[Richard]

This game is ripe for a smash and grab late win.

[OgtheDim]

MLS will never be a top league with these refs

He got both those PK calls right

[Inklink]

What's it going to take to get a yellow for a TFC opponent?

[rydermike]

Ref: gives warning, no more fouls or I am going to csrd you
Next play: Miami blatantly grabs Oso, no card

[NK Toronto]

Kerr couldn't start for a CPL team.

[Richard]

Reg blows the play dead when we have an advantage.

WTF?

[Inklink]

Ref: gives warning, no more fouls or I am going to csrd you
Next play: Miami blatantly grabs Oso, no card

AND blew the whistle on a clear advantage

F this crook from Quebec

[zorsofstesab]

Sorry but Miami is really bad. How are we not ahead, Bono aside.

[NK Toronto]

What I am seeing tonight is a lack of trust by the DP'S in some of their teammates. Both are trying to do everything on their own.

[noxx98]

TFC is absolutely gassed

[Bushmancan]

This is where our lack of depth kills us

[OgtheDim]

Well played game this for 2 teams playing in humidity....defences are actually pretty good.

[Bushmancan]

Sorry but Miami is really bad. How are we not ahead, Bono aside.

exactly this, but MLS needs them in the playoffs

[noxx98]

What I am seeing tonight is a lack of trust by the DP'S in some of their teammates. Both are trying to do everything on their own.
Kerr losing that simple pass from Criscito and having it go out of bounds in the 82nd min is why the DPs don't trust some of the lower quality teammates

[Ultra & Proud]

Hard to really fault much, with our schedule considered, besides Bono.

Our 2022 epitaph should have Bono on the thanks list.

[Ultra & Proud]

Kerr losing that simple pass from Criscito and having it go out of bounds in the 82nd min is why the DPs don't trust some of the lower quality teammates

As bad as Acahara can be, he is better than all our youth minus Nelson.

Must be said, Nelson turned a corner. Solid rotation player now.

[rydermike]

Sub off a CB, move to a three at the back with Bradley, push Laryea up and bring on Perruzza

[noxx98]

Sub off a CB, move to a three at the back with Bradley, push Laryea up and bring on Perruzza
Still time for the Summer of Perruzza to get going...

[stevep]

https://youtu.be/CtGxusvUT3k

[Inklink]

Unbelievable that Higuain doesn't have a yellow yet. Remember that bullshit persistent fouling warning?

[PaceyWinger]

As our DPs have gotten more and more tired they're looking for the ball further and further from goal. Thats not it.

[Smokecell]

Bono needs to see a sports psychiatrist and be shut down for the year. He is done here.

[James17930]

I think GR has to start in goal next game. Tell him tomorrow so he knows and can prepare himself all week. I don't want to see Bono on the pitch again.

[Inklink]

$12 million dollar players, dollar store officials and Bono

[jloome]

Well ... that's probably the season boys.

People should fucking boycott if we don't have a new starting keeper next season.

[notthesun]

4 points dropped by Bono alone in 4 days

[Bobo]

Well that was painful to watch. Can't wait to not see several of these guys on the club next season.

[SirBobSaget]

Achara is way too happy high fiving inter players for a guy that hasnst done anything since in 3 years.

[rydermike]

Feel like that goal against just destroyed the team's morale. Even the goal by Insigne didn't revive it. Back of my mind was always does it matter what we do if we can't trust that a ball won't go in and destroy any progress we make.

Doesn't help that we have no depth and subs can't be trusted to come in

[Smokecell]

It needs to be said without any sugar coating. Bono is fucking trash.

[ag futbol]

That officiating was disgraceful. Somebody take that idiot and walk him off the end of the pier after the game.

Goals are still hard to come by in any league. When you give them away as cheaply as Bono did tonight it’s very tough to win.

I would bench him next game no matter who comes in. Those sorts of lapses in concentration can’t be tolerated

[PawTar711]

It seems like we need to shoot the ball more here in order to get it back instead of these long contras, where the offensive box is congested for our designated players, I think the refs need to be able to get on our side sometimes but not that you can question sportsmanship as a whole. Thats why when, we still have time left in the season, you can argue how fresh or not fresh the season is, that if you questioned it alot you can say that the standings would say we still can.

[Richard]

Please give us a 45 year old of Buffon next year, I don't care, just make it happen.

We need a veteran keeper ASAP.

[NK Toronto]

You could tell the players were tired tonight, however they still outplayed Miami. Once again hurt by lack of depth and poor goal keeping.

[SirBobSaget]

Feel like that goal against just destroyed the team's morale. Even the goal by Insigne didn't revive it. Back of my mind was always does it matter what we do if we can't trust that a ball won't go in and destroy any progress we make

That was the season, its over. Like they can sneak into 7th place but then you have to win all away games! A team that won 1 away game all season is going to win 4 in a row?

[stevep]

Bono’s gotta be throwing these games
Nobody can be that bad

[Ultra & Proud]

That was the season, its over. Like they can sneak into 7th place but then you have to win all away games! A team that won 1 away game all season is going to win 4 in a row?

Not with Bono in goal.

Just enjoy it for what it is; a prelude to 2023.

[Ultra & Proud]

Bono’s gotta be throwing these games
Nobody can be that bad

Conway maybe. His mentor.

Those two OUT.

[OgtheDim]

Ref was pretty good ...until he lost the plot with the whole counting to 5 no more thing which he then went on to completely ignore.

BUT...we didn't lose that game because of the ref.

Bono killed all momentum. We got it back with a wonder goal. Then we gave it up because we couldn't handle a secondary ball training ground routine. On a warm humid night with 3 games in 7 days...we ran out of gas.


We need 2 starting CB's & a keeper. I like McNaughton & Mavinga but we need a defensive general CB. We will need to replace Richie in a year so there better be a plan.

[los sonadores]

I thought we played well, 3rd match in a week in the heat and humidity far from home. But we still haven’t seen our best 11, have zero depth and our keeper gives away one to two goals per match.

[stevep]

Conway maybe. His mentor.

Those two OUT.
You can’t prove he’s not throwing these games

[SirBobSaget]

That officiating was disgraceful. Somebody take that idiot and walk him off the end of the pier after the game.

Goals are still hard to come by in any league. When you give them away as cheaply as Bono did tonight it’s very tough to win.

I would bench him next game no matter who comes in. Those sorts of lapses in concentration can’t be tolerated

I believe he's out of contract so why continue to prop him up? Has no trade value, if he can regain his confidence than congrats you have a mediocre MLS GK back! Inter Miami doesnt coddle their GKers, they played their 3rd because the other 2 didn't get it done. Can't wait to see the end of the Bono era. More bad moments than good. He hasn't made more blunders than hero moments in games that matter.

[los sonadores]

Ref was pretty good ...until he lost the plot with the whole counting to 5 no more thing which he then went on to completely ignore.

BUT...we didn't lose that game because of the ref.

Bono killed all momentum. We got it back with a wonder goal. Then we gave it up because we couldn't handle a secondary ball training ground routine. On a warm humid night with 3 games in 7 days...we ran out of gas.


We need 2 starting CB's & a keeper. I like McNaughton & Mavinga but we need a defensive general CB. We will need to replace Richie in a year so there better be a plan.

Don’t think our CB’s are the problem. We need a good keeper who can offer good direction.

[zorsofstesab]

On the 2nd goal, how was Poz allowed to just wait all alone for the pass before he makes his cross
? A quality player just left alone outside the 18 yard box. Baffles me.

[NK Toronto]

I wish one of the reporters asks Bob in the post game conference if a new goalkeeper is the team's number one priority in the off season.

[OgtheDim]

On the 2nd goal, how was Poz allowed to just wait all alone for the pass before he makes his cross
? A quality player just left alone outside the 18 yard box. Baffles me.

A defensive general goes into every FK situation saying "hey, watch him, wherever he goes" - I actually see Oso do this more often then our CB's & Bono.

[ag futbol]

Don’t think our CB’s are the problem. We need a good keeper who can offer good direction.
I think a “leader” would definitely add something back there. I’m not sure either Macnaughton or Mavinga need to be replaced but they’d both be helped by having a stabilizing presence as a partner.

But wouldn’t change the fact Bono has to go. Every game we play the opposing keeper seems to be better and more well rounded.

[Gringo Starr]

I don’t get why JJ didn’t travel. I get he looks out of sorts but after the Revs result this was must win. even gassed he is a better option than Achaea and we have a week before the next game.

[OgtheDim]

I don’t get why JJ didn’t travel. I get he looks out of sorts but after the Revs result this was must win. even gassed he is a better option than Achaea and we have a week before the next game.


It was said on the broadcast BB gave JJ time off because he was tired & needed some days off. Make of that what you will but I'm not going to question a mental health break for one game.

[Richard]

I wish one of the reporters asks Bob in the post game conference if a new goalkeeper is the team's number one priority in the off season.

It 100% has to be and I think they know.

[OgtheDim]

It 100% has to be and I think they know.

Journos don't ask questions like that of coaches as there isn't going to be an answer.

I'm not certain the TFC covering journos outside of Kilbane believed gk was an issue until tonight's repeat of Wednesday's mistakes.

I'm with you though, I think the braintrust knew gk was an issue that was going to affect this season. I HOPE they already have a plan in place.

[SirBobSaget]

I don’t get why JJ didn’t travel. I get he looks out of sorts but after the Revs result this was must win. even gassed he is a better option than Achaea and we have a week before the next game.

Guy probably legit needed a mental and physical break. He joined us while mid season from his Polish team. Hasn't had a break in over a year. CAn you imagine not getting 1 week let alone a weekend off from your job for over a year?

[Richard]

Guy probably legit needed a mental and physical break. He joined us while mid season from his Polish team. Hasn't had a break in over a year. CAn you imagine not getting 1 week let alone a weekend off from your job for over a year?

I know we are still in contention but at this point it might be a good idea to rest him for the remainder of the season.

[Gringo Starr]

It was said on the broadcast BB gave JJ time off because he was tired & needed some days off. Make of that what you will but I'm not going to question a mental health break for one game.

Was it JJ asking for a break? Didn’t catch that mention in the broadcast

[Bushmancan]

I think this says it all, four contact plays in their box … one atrocious and not even one is reviewed. And yet all we are talking about is how our keeper stinks. Pro is pathetic but keeper was worse. We just threw away 5 points in 2 games.

other than that, last two games were entertaining. Richie will be very hard to replace.

[stevep]

I wish one of the reporters asks Bob in the post game conference if a new goalkeeper is the team's number one priority in the off season.
Never from those mlse shills

[NK Toronto]

Journos don't ask questions like that of coaches as there isn't going to be an answer.

I'm not certain the TFC covering journos outside of Kilbane believed gk was an issue until tonight's repeat of Wednesday's mistakes.

I'm with you though, I think the braintrust knew gk was an issue that was going to affect this season. I HOPE they already have a plan in place.

Since presumably Bono and Westberg will not be back couldn't they have signed a keeper from Europe in this last transfer window? I don't think it would be that hard to find someone better than Bono. Lots of decent keepers in Eastern Europe who are not on big contracts.

[DinamoTFC]

What I am seeing tonight is a lack of trust by the DP'S in some of their teammates. Both are trying to do everything on their own.

A certain Pozuelo would have had their trust.

[James17930]

There was only one thing wrong with the game tonight and that's Bono. Everything else - on a few days rest in that heat - was fine. We could have had a draw, which would have been decent.

BONO OUT.

[James17930]

A certain Pozuelo would have had their trust.

Pozuelo wanted to leave. Why are some people having so much trouble getting that through their heads? And we probably needed to get rid of him to bring in Fede. We could not have kept him until the end of this season.

Drop this pointless narrative.

[los sonadores]

I think a “leader” would definitely add something back there. I’m not sure either Macnaughton or Mavinga need to be replaced but they’d both be helped by having a stabilizing presence as a partner.

But wouldn’t change the fact Bono has to go. Every game we play the opposing keeper seems to be better and more well rounded.

The right guy on the right money yes, absolutely. I think our current four players are workable and between them offer different positive qualities. Not sure if Mavinga or Henry will be back. Maybe Mavinga but on what money is the question.

[ronzilla]

It's too coincidental that JJ gets benched and then goes missing. I don't believe for one second that he's too tired, especially when his last game was subbed on late.

[DinamoTFC]

Pozuelo wanted to leave. Why are some people having so much trouble getting that through their heads? And we probably needed to get rid of him to bring in Fede. We could not have kept him until the end of this season.

Drop this pointless narrative.

I don't believe that narrative. You can if you want. Next year will be better for sure this one was a waste.

[NK Toronto]

It's not a popular view here but I agree that letting Poz go was a mistake.... as was gutting almost the entire roster in the off season and relying on academy players who clearly were not ready, if they ever will.
Sure Jozy, Soteldo, Omar, Dwyer, Mullins, Gallardo had to go. But the others could have stayed and the team would probably be in a playoff spot now.

Insigne will be 32 next season and we just wasted half a season of his contract.

[Richard]

Lets not forget that MAK was supposed to also be part of this run to the playoffs. His presence sure would have helped with all the fixture congestion.

[noxx98]

It's not a popular view here but I agree that letting Poz go was a mistake.... as was gutting almost the entire roster in the off season and relying on academy players who clearly were not ready, if they ever will.
Sure Jozy, Soteldo, Omar, Dwyer, Mullins, Gallardo had to go. But the others could have stayed and the team would probably be in a playoff spot now.

Insigne will be 32 next season and we just wasted half a season of his contract.

You think Zavs, OG, Dunn, Singh, Endoh and DeLeon would have kept TFC in a playoff spot?

[NK Toronto]

I think Auro, Lawrence, and Delgado would have. I would have even kept Endoh. Certainly better than Kerr. I don't know what Bob sees in him.

[noxx98]

I think Auro, Lawrence, and Delgado would have. I would have even kept Endoh. Certainly better than Kerr. I don't know what Bob sees in him.
Lawrence was apparently missing practices for outside reasons. Delgado wanted to move back to closer to home and we got decent GAM for him. Auro I agree with.
There’s a reason why Endoh is currently a free agent

[NK Toronto]

You keep these guys around for this season as a stop gap measure to keep the team in playoff contention until the summer signings come on board. You can then off load them after the season. As for Endoh are you telling me you wouldn't have preferred to have him come on the field tonight as a sub rather than Kerr? At least Endoh had an MLS career.

[NK Toronto]

Just looked up Lawrence's stats. He has played 1796 minutes this year for Minnesota, consisting of 21 games, of which 20 were starts. So his outside activities were not so egregious to preclude him from starting in Minnesota.

[noxx98]

I’ll leave the Kemar/Auro/Delgado stuff aside because I feel that has been debated enough on this forum. Endoh is not good enough to be in the regular matchday lineup for an MLS team and I prefer Kerr on the team.

[portu]

That officiating was disgraceful. Somebody take that idiot and walk him off the end of the pier after the game.

Goals are still hard to come by in any league. When you give them away as cheaply as Bono did tonight it’s very tough to win.

I would bench him next game no matter who comes in. Those sorts of lapses in concentration can’t be tolerated
Just watched the game: This is the correct summary and takeaway for tonight.

[Setanta]

bottom line is that tonight illustrated we're going nowhere without a change between the sticks. Bono is just too mistake prone and has been for a number of years. the first goal was an absolute howler. he was nowhere for the second. I'm sure on the training field he looks good, but it happens too often on match day for the club to seriously consider him as part of our long terms plans. there's clearly a mental problem there that we're not going to fix at this stage. a change of scenery is probably best for all concerned. Westberg simply has to start the remainder of the season.

the last 2 games have been incredibly costly. had we won both, we'd be right in the mix, but with 1 point from those games, the reality now is that we're 8th in a 9 team race for the last 3 playoff spots, having played more games than anyone else and conceded more than anyone who isn't DC Utd in the conference. there are 7 games left. I would say we will need a minimum of 17 points from those to get in, but there's a chance even that won't be enough.

[Vendetta]

Bono with another bonehead mistake. Looking like karius out there.
How do we trot out Achara who's played only a few more minutes this season that I have, at 60 min when we are desperate for a goal. He's athletic but looks to have zero soccer sense out there.

[Luanda]

I have said it long ago in these boards - BONORELO simply HAS TO GO!

[Section 223]

Bono with another bonehead mistake. Looking like karius out there.
How do we trot out Achara who's played only a few more minutes this season that I have, at 60 min when we are desperate for a goal. He's athletic but looks to have zero soccer sense out there.
Yes but the coach has masterfully changed the culture of the team , do you not see all the benefits?

[AdamAM]

After the Bono shitshow this year I wouldn’t mind going one better than a league average American keeper. Use some TAM on a guy who will come in from Europe and be a top 5 guy in MLS. There has to be backups in the Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue 1 etc. that would come here in a heartbeat for 1 mil a year. Don’t need to use the last DP spot but get someone that is a proper addition to the spine of the team with some pedigree. We have some world class players on our team, can’t be having a shmuck in goal anymore

Also, Richie was far and away MOTM in this one. Has to be said he will be impossible to replace and I wouldn’t mind if they offered him big money to stick around. He looks to be the best RB in the league and him and Berna just wreak havoc on that right side game in and game out.

[Hala Hrvatska]

Just looked up Lawrence's stats. He has played 1796 minutes this year for Minnesota, consisting of 21 games, of which 20 were starts. So his outside activities were not so egregious to preclude him from starting in Minnesota.

Definitely. And Manning, Armas and I forgot the other clueless guy were all red bulls rejects and they knew the always professional Lawrence from there and brough him to Toronto. Lawrence was never an issue here, it was as suspected the bradlys didn't like him and out he went.

[Hala Hrvatska]

Yes but the coach has masterfully changed the culture of the team , do you not see all the benefits?


g:D

Yup, that talking non stop talking point about "culture" as we continue to lose points. We have the highest payroll in the league and now in 2 must win games got a single measely point. And that's the playoffs done now.

PS for Bob and using Bradley speak, how about he instill learning how to defend set pieces in "a good way" ffs. School boy defending again, a comedy of errors and we let in another crap goal where half the team includng Mike (again) didn't bother to jump and let a guy get a free header. Then Oso and everyone else stood there as the guy (and someone else also) were wide open and game over. Bono standing there while this all happens also is par for the course, but the entire team watched Pozuelo get it...float in a cross, and game over.

PS don't get me started on the first goal. It was defending in "a bad way". First Mavinga under half assed token pressure from higuain puts in needlessly out of bounds. Then Mike stands there and allows Higuain to get a throw in with zero pressure. Allows him to turn. Then gets skinned alive by Higuain with ease. Then everyone stands there and allows Higuain to dish it off to a wide open Motta. Motta then says what the hell, its Bono, might as well shoot (no doubt scouting before game said shoot away, Bono is due for at least 1 or 2 blunders per game) ...and then shoots literally right at Bono who decides to duck and try and catch the shot..and bam, goal.

Also, sorry to say it, but Ingigne is again the worst of the 3 italians...if this is what 15 million a year gets you...then we shouldn't have got him. One moment of magic but tonnes of errant passes or dispossessions isn't value for money. (and I love the guy, don't get me wrong).

Oh well....was hoping for a miracle playoff run but its over. All I have to look forward now is Croatian Night for the Miami game. We'll be out in full force even if its a meaningless game then.

[DavemTFC]

On to 2023 I guess

[Slick]

g:D


Also, sorry to say it, but Ingigne is again the worst of the 3 italians...if this is what 15 million a year gets you...then we shouldn't have got him. One moment of magic but tonnes of errant passes or dispossessions isn't value for money. (and I love the guy, don't get me wrong).



Lol...You must've missed the TFC goal, and the fact that it was their 3rd game in 1 week. Everyone was gassed.

Your negativity is tiring on this board. You just got yourself muted by another reader.

[Section 223]

Lol...You must've missed the TFC goal, and the fact that it was their 3rd game in 1 week. Everyone was gassed.

Your negativity is tiring on this board. You just got yourself muted by another reader.
Now why would you mute this contributor? I find him to be one of the more intelligent members in terms of his footy knowledge , he clearly understands this sport. There is no one on this site more then I that believes Insigne will have a very successful 5 years at TFC , but yes he is off to a slowish start, I blame our center forward and the midfielder playing beside Lorenzo usually Jayden Nelson for their clear lack of not understanding the runs and positional play required to keep up to Insignes advanced quick decision making. We will rid ourselves of Jayden when MAK is back and with another DP added in the 9 position things will quickly correct themselves.

[Ultra & Proud]

Now why would you mute this contributor? I find him to be one of the more intelligent members in terms of his footy knowledge , he clearly understands this sport. There is no one on this site more then I that believes Insigne will have a very successful 5 years at TFC , but yes he is off to a slowish start, I blame our center forward and the midfielder playing beside Lorenzo usually Jayden Nelson for their clear lack of not understanding the runs and positional play required to keep up to Insignes advanced quick decision making. We will rid ourselves of Jayden when MAK is back and with another DP added in the 9 position things will quickly correct themselves.

It's not the fault of others as to why Insigne has been poor to average. Spin it however it makes you happy but it's him making poor decisions, dribbling into trouble and losing the ball, and under hitting his passes. It's because he's gassed. Played too much over the past 2 years and needs a solid offseason.

[Section 223]

It's not the fault of others as to why Insigne has been poor to average. Spin it however it makes you happy but it's him making poor decisions, dribbling into trouble and losing the ball, and under hitting his passes. It's because he's gassed. Played too much over the past 2 years and needs a solid offseason.
Actually you are very wrong, I noticed for some reason you are very quick to disagree with everything I post, as I said Jayden and JJ/Ayo are holding Lorenzo back it’s clear as day to anyone who is even a casual soccer fan, but hey just my opinion, but it’s very interesting that football statistics website WHO SCORED has Lorenzo Insigne as our highest rated player in 2 of the last 3 games, but I’m sure you will come up with another one of your smart theories as to what’s wrong with LI

[noxx98]

Now why would you mute this contributor?
It's because everything Hala (and you) post is incessantly negative. We all get that the club has not performed well this year, but it's exhausting to read takes which nearly always are negative towards the club.

[Thomas]

Yeah. I’m getting tired of the constant ranting. It would be one thing if there was more constructive criticism and smart ideas. It’s just plain boring now.

We get it. You don’t like the Bradley’s and a bunch of other stuff. Lengthy rants when we lose or draw, and next to nothing when we win.

Onwards and upwards!

[Ultra & Proud]

Actually you are very wrong, I noticed for some reason you are very quick to disagree with everything I post, as I said Jayden and JJ/Ayo are holding Lorenzo back it’s clear as day to anyone who is even a casual soccer fan, but hey just my opinion, but it’s very interesting that football statistics website WHO SCORED has Lorenzo Insigne as our highest rated player in 2 of the last 3 games, but I’m sure you will come up with another one of your smart theories as to what’s wrong with LI

When Michael Bradley had our highest WHO SCORED ratings a few weeks back you dismissed it as usual and broke into the nepotism thing. So if that rating didn't matter for MB then it doesn't matter for LI.

[MikeForbes]

Alex Bono is a triple threat out there.

Poor hands
Bad eyesight
Awful distribution

I missed the game but saw the replays. Did our media even ask Bob about that first goal? Bono has always been free of criticism from the press for some reason.

[Oldtimer]

Yes but the coach has masterfully changed the culture of the team , do you not see all the benefits?

You obviously haven't been watching his interviews but decided to get in a cheap shot anyway. He never claimed that the team is good or anywhere near complete.


g:D

Yup, that talking non stop talking point about "culture" as we continue to lose points. We have the highest payroll in the league and now in 2 must win games got a single measely point. And that's the playoffs done now.



Your grinning face icon shows that you want Toronto to lose just so you can attack BB. No true supporter of the team would want that. I guess you get a kick out of that.

[Ultra & Proud]

You obviously haven't been watching his interviews but decided to get in a cheap shot anyway. He never claimed that the team is good or anywhere near complete.

Exactly right. This week he actually said we're on our way to being a good team. He knows we're not there yet and that it's a process. BB is a smart guy and he is doing things the right way and in stages. The only complaint I have now is the use of Bono but I don't get to see what Ranjitsingh does in training.

[jloome]

Alex Bono is a triple threat out there.

Poor hands
Bad eyesight
Awful distribution

I missed the game but saw the replays. Did our media even ask Bob about that first goal? Bono has always been free of criticism from the press for some reason.

He likely told them before starting that he wouldn't entertain questions on Bono.

[NK Toronto]

He likely told them before starting that he wouldn't entertain questions on Bono.

Really? Then what's the point of even having a post game press conference if difficult questions are not allowed. Isn't that the media's job? If this were the EPL and a keeper let in that type of goal that's all the press would be talking about

[jloome]

Really? Then what's the point of even having a post game press conference if difficult questions are not allowed. Isn't that the media's job? If this were the EPL and a keeper let in that type of goal that's all the press would be talking about

Yeah... the sports media in this country has been terrified of losing access for a long time.
Often they're also aware that In dispute, modern media owners might side with the club over their own staff.

[Joe Kool]

Around the 75th minute or so you could see that a large majority of our team looked so gassed like they were at the end of an extra time 120 min game. Not much hope coming back when the last 15 was going to be coasting for the most part. I would be shocked at this point if we get even a sniff of playoffs. Not with dropped points like the last two games where we could have had something. Too bad we are not seeing MAK as much as we wanted but best he gets fully fit with no risks of being injured long term for TFC or for Canada. Not sure if Ayo has no idea how to play in the formation we have, kinda like JJ, or what. We get more dangerous chances coming from our midfield, even from MB4, than we do from our strikers. Just doesn't seem right with the supporting cast we have.

[ag futbol]

Around the 75th minute or so you could see that a large majority of our team looked so gassed like they were at the end of an extra time 120 min game. Not much hope coming back when the last 15 was going to be coasting for the most part. I would be shocked at this point if we get even a sniff of playoffs. Not with dropped points like the last two games where we could have had something. Too bad we are not seeing MAK as much as we wanted but best he gets fully fit with no risks of being injured long term for TFC or for Canada. Not sure if Ayo has no idea how to play in the formation we have, kinda like JJ, or what. We get more dangerous chances coming from our midfield, even from MB4, than we do from our strikers. Just doesn't seem right with the supporting cast we have.
Which kind of brings it full circle to say is our formation the right one? I might suppose with LI and Berna on each side it is. But… something about our management style is going to have to change in the next year.

Feels like we are too idealistic. Playing the kids and avoiding cheap MLS vets. Sticking to the same formation all the time. Full twelve months of this team as currently configured feels like an invitation to an early playoff exit.

Not what we’d be happy with, I’d say

[Ultra & Proud]

Which kind of brings it full circle to say is our formation the right one? I might suppose with LI and Berna on each side it is. But… something about our management style is going to have to change in the next year.

Feels like we are too idealistic. Playing the kids and avoiding cheap MLS vets. Sticking to the same formation all the time. Full twelve months of this team as currently configured feels like an invitation to an early playoff exit.

Not what we’d be happy with, I’d say

I think the formation is fine and it does work but our roster isn't complete yet.

To be realistic this rebuild needs to be seen as a process. Neither Bradley or Manning said it would be finished this season and BB especially has been hesitant to even say we're good as this point. Step one was obviously see where we were and what we could get youth wise to fill out the roster internally. Looks like Nelsen and maybe Petrasso are good enough there. Next phase was to access our forward options with the DPs added. Everyone pretty much thought JJ would have a hey day with LI, FB, DC, & RL working out wide and that hasn't panned out yet. Ayo is getting his shake and also coming up with nothing. No idea why no Peruzza but it's not like he is the answer either.

Overall I think this latter half of the season is still like BB doing trials for 2023. I think JJ, Ayo, & Kerr seem to be the ones getting the looks but at this point I'm not sure any of them are worth keeping around in 2023.

[jloome]

Which kind of brings it full circle to say is our formation the right one? I might suppose with LI and Berna on each side it is. But… something about our management style is going to have to change in the next year.

Feels like we are too idealistic. Playing the kids and avoiding cheap MLS vets. Sticking to the same formation all the time. Full twelve months of this team as currently configured feels like an invitation to an early playoff exit.

Not what we’d be happy with, I’d say

The formation thing genuinely bothers me.

He’s had all year to move pieces around, and at no time during the “make Poz work” period did they seem to consider switching to the same basic 4-2-3-1 narrow, pressing formation that half the teams in Europe seem to use now. Or a 3-4-1-2 in the same vein.

Both would only change how we build up, as LI and Bernie are inverted wingers and would wind up at the top corner of the penalty box in any case.

But we have no true anchor. I sort of feel like using a three-man central midfield has less to do with pragmatism and more to do with giving Michael defensive support. We could’ve easily played with a central two, ala our long winning run in 2020, and a hole player, or a central four with wingback and a hole player behind two strikers.

Instead, we got one system, which tactically just seems to be “advance into space with short passing and support triangles.”

There doesn’t seem to be, once we’re jammed up in the attacking end, any real ability to breakdown a defense. It’s like he’s trying to get them to all learn each other’s tendencies rather than teaching any actual prescribed, disciplined tactical movement.

Our players’ tactical responsibilities seem nebulous, down to “cover whatever zone you’re in at the sam time.” They’ve obviously been coached to handle certain scenarios, as bottling us up on the left side now leads to switches of field occasionally. And they’ve been taught to always build from passing in the back if possible …. even though it seems to backfire on every team that ALWAYS does it at some point during a year.

I guess my overall feeling is that his resume and accomplishments are based on motivation and personnel choices more than on building a tactically nuanced or flexible team. I think I see why he struggled so badly in England, where sticking to a system — based on pace of play and quality of read — is absolutely essential..

Jesse Marsch, who is one of Bob’s protégés from his Chicago team, plays a straight gegenpress low block at Leeds. Anyone who watched Aaronson lead them over Chelsea on the weekend can see why it’s working: ruthlessly high pressing, with even the strikers just steps from their cover man at all times. Then, capitalize on mistakes.

But if one guy doesn’t follow his responsibilities it falls apart.

Watch our buildup and it becomes clear Bob is trying to get us to play in much the same way. Hold possession offensively, regain it ruthlessly when you lose it. But we’re NOWHERE NEAR where we need to be to make that successful. The only teams doing it really well in MLS are New York and Philly.

So I am not convinced.

You can be the most confident man in the world and that alone will lead to a lot of success because it allows for perseverance, the self-belief in eventual success. But eventually, the end product has to match the expectations.

I didn’t see that this year, even in the last month. I saw a couple of guys with more technical ability using it to score some great solo goals. And I saw Richie and Oso hooking up on field because they know each other’s tendencies.

But outside of Charlotte, a game in which the visiting team bunkered and got slaughtered as a result, we haven’t looked super fluid, or on the same page, in any of these games.

We have a lot more talent on the field. We shouldn’t be losing to Miami, even in heat. We shouldn’t be drawing New England twice, a team Montreal thumped 4-0 the other night, when most of New England’s skill players are out and they’re in mid-season rebuild.

I know we’re undefeated in five before that. I think any team in this league that added Bernadeschi and Insigne mid-season would have a similar run. I’m not sure any of that is tactical cohesion or coaching.

[ag futbol]

I’m with you Jloome. And by no means am I going “knives out” for Bob. But I am struggling to see what the value add is so far.

Jayden Nelson is improving? I struggle to think of much else.

[JoesphNdo]

Yeah that's where I'm at. I still want to give BB plenty of time, simply down to his pedigree vs the pedigree of any possible replacement

But so far, the decision making to me has been off, and we're being bailed out by the fact that we're able to spend money that nobody else in MLS can.

Next season is the one to judge him on, though. For right or wrong, we pretty much wrote this season off, and next season we'll have another off season, rested Italians and a DP slot that will probably command a salary. If we're not one of the absolute top contenders for the cup and one of the best teams in the league then we can start looking at this experiment as a failure, so I'm holding judgement until then but so far have yet to be impressed

[Ultra & Proud]

But outside of Charlotte, a game in which the visiting team bunkered and got slaughtered as a result, we haven’t looked super fluid, or on the same page, in any of these games.

We have a lot more talent on the field. We shouldn’t be losing to Miami, even in heat. We shouldn’t be drawing New England twice, a team Montreal thumped 4-0 the other night, when most of New England’s skill players are out and they’re in mid-season rebuild.

I know we’re undefeated in five before that. I think any team in this league that added Bernadeschi and Insigne mid-season would have a similar run. I’m not sure any of that is tactical cohesion or coaching.

I agree we haven't looked fluid but we did look more fluid with MAK in midfield. I'm not being harsh on Nelson as I think he is improving but he doesn't get the system like MAK does.

Also I am not sure BB won't switch things up tactically at some point when we have a more complete roster. I still see this all as like a glorified double pre-season so he could be just using this season to drill in his preferred set up. But again, I don't know.

For the loss to Miami and the dropped points to NER, especially the home match, I put a lot of that on Bono rather than the system or outfield players. I think if we had any other starting GK from any other MLS team we stop 3 of those 4 goals against. Maybe the header by Lassiter too as a better GK would have organized the back better and not got caught running sideways and over committing.

I agree with your midfield assessment though. Our current set up seems to be designed to help MB cover up defensive issues. We really do need an anchor.

[portu]

Yeah that's where I'm at. I still want to give BB plenty of time, simply down to his pedigree vs the pedigree of any possible replacement

But so far, the decision making to me has been off, and we're being bailed out by the fact that we're able to spend money that nobody else in MLS can.

Next season is the one to judge him on, though. For right or wrong, we pretty much wrote this season off, and next season we'll have another off season, rested Italians and a DP slot that will probably command a salary. If we're not one of the absolute top contenders for the cup and one of the best teams in the league then we can start looking at this experiment as a failure, so I'm holding judgement until then but so far have yet to be impressed
I look at the last two months and I see marked improvements across the board. What scares me is how rigid he is tactically and with personnel.

We’ve been without Kaye for ages yet we’re still playing three in the middle and haven’t tried two ever. We chase a game and instead of putting two up top, we do straight swaps.

So many guys jettisoned without a thought because they don’t “fit” and then the guys who’ve come in are pretty obviously the only choice they ever threw up on the board (I.e. Kaye/Laryea/Criscito).

The thing I’ll especially echo is, do we trust them to get a better replacement? I don’t, so I’ll hope and trust that Bob does well.

[Ultra & Proud]

We’ve been without Kaye for ages yet we’re still playing three in the middle and haven’t tried two ever. We chase a game and instead of putting two up top, we do straight swaps.


He had Ayo & JJ on together a few times earlier this year and it was awful. They're in each others way and neither is really adding much, zero tracking back, and limited movement from either. If we had some better options I would say for sure we should try two up top when trailing/going for the win at home but not these two.

[613reppingTFC]

I tend to agree with you Jloome, something looks off and even though we have got these great players I somehow haven't been as excited. Maybe the play isn't quite as fluid as it could be, we show great flashes occasionally. Somehow just can't break down the teams that are bunkering, almost like we are still toothless, is it that JJ and Ayo aren't working out up front? We have more attack power and get way more shots from outside the box which we were all complaining about not too long ago (leading the league with 10 goals from outside the box now).

Maybe it's Bono and playing him seems to just kinda take the wind out of our sails. I will say, he is fully to blame for that first goal, absolutely abysmal that anything like that should happen. It is for sure top 5 when they do the misplays of the month next time. However, as much as Nelson has been getting better and I am more pleased with how he is playing, he is still missing those simple passes and trying to do too much. He was the reason we turned over the ball that lead to the goal. He had a very simple 1-2 with Insigne and he decided to try and take on the opponent and lost the ball and they started a counter before Mavinga put it out for the throw.

Later in the game Bernie had a corner and went short to Nelson on the edge of the box and rather than pass back to him he tried to take on two defenders and split them and again lost it. Simple things like that where he can do the easy play rather than try to do it all himself.

[los sonadores]

I tend to agree with you Jloome, something looks off and even though we have got these great players I somehow haven't been as excited. Maybe the play isn't quite as fluid as it could be, we show great flashes occasionally. Somehow just can't break down the teams that are bunkering, almost like we are still toothless, is it that JJ and Ayo aren't working out up front? We have more attack power and get way more shots from outside the box which we were all complaining about not too long ago (leading the league with 10 goals from outside the box now).

Maybe it's Bono and playing him seems to just kinda take the wind out of our sails. I will say, he is fully to blame for that first goal, absolutely abysmal that anything like that should happen. It is for sure top 5 when they do the misplays of the month next time. However, as much as Nelson has been getting better and I am more pleased with how he is playing, he is still missing those simple passes and trying to do too much. He was the reason we turned over the ball that lead to the goal. He had a very simple 1-2 with Insigne and he decided to try and take on the opponent and lost the ball and they started a counter before Mavinga put it out for the throw.

Later in the game Bernie had a corner and went short to Nelson on the edge of the box and rather than pass back to him he tried to take on two defenders and split them and again lost it. Simple things like that where he can do the easy play rather than try to do it all himself.

It’s early days, the new adds are many and without training camp (ours certainly or at least their prior club) and vital MAK has hardly had a game with the new players. Also, in the case of the Italians there is no MLS experience at all. That said I’m expecting more from the tactical play. It’s been a bit weirdly predicable/boring waiting for moments of individual brilliance to produce a goal. I’m expecting more clear complexity.

I do think we’d be strongly in the playoff race with Westberg as our keeper. Overall, next year will probably tell us more than what’s left of this one.

At least it’s gone from hell to pretty pleasurable being at the stadium again.

[los sonadores]

One thing that’s puzzled me is when, early on, Bradley spoke about how the half season was preparation to play the way we need to play with Insigne when he arrived. But we looked so consistently bad I couldn’t divine what that was. Okay, so bad I couldn’t watch eventually, so no wonder I couldn’t tell.

I didn’t see so very much adaptation to Poz and assumed he’d have to go. Only 2 to 3 guys are in the eleven now who were
preparing to play Bob’s game with the new arrivals. So not totally sure that preparation was about given that kids playing out of position are unlikely to be able to play any game well. We clearly weren’t playing to win most games.

Next season will tell much, no doubt. This season nothing’s been clear. I do think Bradley has Manning and Co’s totally confidence and he knows he has time to do things completely his way.

[Blindside16]

It's because everything Hala (and you) post is incessantly negative. We all get that the club has not performed well this year, but it's exhausting to read takes which nearly always are negative towards the club.

The more posts I read the more I am beginning to think that it is the same person with 2 accounts. They both joined the same time, they both have roughly the same amount of post and the both parrot the others thoughts. I could be wrong but if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck....

[Oldtimer]

The more posts I read the more I am beginning to think that it is the same person with 2 accounts. They both joined the same time, they both have roughly the same amount of post and the both parrot the others thoughts. I could be wrong but if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck....

They aren't, admin tools shows two completely independent accounts posting from different (non-VPN) locations. Doesn't preclude collusion though.

[Gringo Starr]

The more posts I read the more I am beginning to think that it is the same person with 2 accounts. They both joined the same time, they both have roughly the same amount of post and the both parrot the others thoughts. I could be wrong but if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck....

This comment is unfair to ducks. There are so many different kinds of ducks and mallards will mate with anything with wings so there are also half breed ducks

[Blindside16]

This comment is unfair to ducks. There are so many different kinds of ducks and mallards will mate with anything with wings so there are also half breed ducks

In light of recent evidence and after some deep personal reflection I would like to offer an official apology to any water fowl I may have offended

[Hala Hrvatska]

The more posts I read the more I am beginning to think that it is the same person with 2 accounts. They both joined the same time, they both have roughly the same amount of post and the both parrot the others thoughts. I could be wrong but if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck....

Thanks for studying me and Section 223 I guess, am flattered. But no, we are not the same poster. Just two great footballing minds thinking alike so you jumped to the conclusion we are the same. We both call it like it is. The good, bad and the ugly. We don't sugarcoat. We are both pissed that we are about to miss the playoffs for the third year out of 5 despite the resources we have. And want to return to our winning ways. We both spend a tonne of money on tickets going to games and food/drink/parking etc, being the super fans that we are. And we demand excellence. I love reading Section 223's takes on the club no doubt. Cheers.

[Hala Hrvatska]

They aren't, admin tools shows two completely independent accounts posting from different (non-VPN) locations. Doesn't preclude collusion though.

Thanks for confirming to our followers we are not the same brother. Please check your PM.

[Hala Hrvatska]

Now why would you mute this contributor? I find him to be one of the more intelligent members in terms of his footy knowledge , he clearly understands this sport. There is no one on this site more then I that believes Insigne will have a very successful 5 years at TFC , but yes he is off to a slowish start, I blame our center forward and the midfielder playing beside Lorenzo usually Jayden Nelson for their clear lack of not understanding the runs and positional play required to keep up to Insignes advanced quick decision making. We will rid ourselves of Jayden when MAK is back and with another DP added in the 9 position things will quickly correct themselves.

Thanks brother. I always love your posts. You cut through the bs and say it like it is. Your football knowledge is excellent, great minds do think alike. )

Insigne will be amazing here. Best player in the MLS by far. And yes, right now its because the striker and Nelson are beside him and can't play with him at his level. Kaye will help for sure. Now if we get another DP in the midfield or striker, Insigne will really take off. Right now he just gets swarmed as opponents have no fear whatsoever that Nelson/Kerr/JJ/Ako/Acharr will do anything.

[Ultra & Proud]

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Insigne will be amazing here. Best player in the MLS by far. And yes, right now its because the striker and Nelson are beside him and can't play with him at his level. Kaye will help for sure. Now if we get another DP in the midfield or striker, Insigne will really take off. Right now he just gets swarmed as opponents have no fear whatsoever that Nelson/Kerr/JJ/Ako/Acharr will do anything.
Great minds thinking that the success of one player is solely based on 1 or 2 players in the XI? Ridiculous and currently & historically without merit.

Take a look around MLS currently and see who is doing great. Cucho doing it alone in Columbus. Ebobisse truly surrounded by trash in SJ and managed by nobody yet he is right up there. Even guys like Mukhtar and Vasquez aren't surrounded by all league type starters yet they're performing great. That's how it is in MLS. The DPs work within the means of MLS budgets. You're not getting XI DP or TAM level players on the field...yet.

From our recent past remember Giovinco playing and often going insane on the likes of Osorio/Chapman/Endoh/Babouli who all played enough in that era but he was successful and didn't need people to point to one or two players underperforming as to why he was short hitting passes or hitting skyballs.

Furthermore historically mid season pick ups generally do not perform well in their first half season. Adjustments to travel, weather, new country, new system & style all point to that and being tired from a slog in their previous league is the main one.

I'm not saying Insigne is shit. Not saying he isn't worth the $$$ but I am saying that blaming his often poor play so far on Nelsen and the CF of the day is not the reason for why he is struggling in certain facets of his game. Saying otherwise is telling me you're a fanboy and not a great mind of the game as you proclaim.

[Hala Hrvatska]

Great minds thinking that the success of one player is solely based on 1 or 2 players in the XI? Ridiculous and currently & historically without merit.

Take a look around MLS currently and see who is doing great. Cucho doing it alone in Columbus. Ebobisse truly surrounded by trash in SJ and managed by nobody yet he is right up there. Even guys like Mukhtar and Vasquez aren't surrounded by all league type starters yet they're performing great. That's how it is in MLS. The DPs work within the means of MLS budgets. You're not getting XI DP or TAM level players on the field...yet.

From our recent past remember Giovinco playing and often going insane on the likes of Osorio/Chapman/Endoh/Babouli who all played enough in that era but he was successful and didn't need people to point to one or two players underperforming as to why he was short hitting passes or hitting skyballs.

Furthermore historically mid season pick ups generally do not perform well in their first half season. Adjustments to travel, weather, new country, new system & style all point to that and being tired from a slog in their previous league is the main one.

I'm not saying Insigne is shit. Not saying he isn't worth the $$$ but I am saying that blaming his often poor play so far on Nelsen and the CF of the day is not the reason for why he is struggling in certain facets of his game. Saying otherwise is telling me you're a fanboy and not a great mind of the game as you proclaim.

Hey Ultra, I'll ignore the little digs and respond respectfully. You have some good points.

A couple of points...I fully agree we should be better. I've been saying it over and over given our resources and highest payroll in the league, we have to be able to make it work. It has worked here before. Small budget teams (relative to us) do way more with less...like Columbus, Seattle, etc....but we are a huge market, and like in LA (for both teams), the fans want to see "star" names play. It is what it is. Seattle is run very well, they are a well oiled maching on and off the pitch.

I didn't sign the Italians...but its clear we have the resources to do so and they put "bums" in the seats so to speak, like Seba did. I am not interested in watching journeymen players, I want to see talent like them. Or guys like Bale, Hernandez, Vela, etc.

Mid season pick ups, yes I don't agree with it as it turned out, Insigne didn't even play for like a month after we came and the season now is done playoff wise. A huge outlay for them for a 1/2 season. It was a gamble and I thought we might make the playoffs but its over now.

Insigne is the best player in the league though. Berna number two. Watching the past few games, they have zero outlet. Sorry, if you don't agree, but Acharra and Ako can't work with them. Nelson is all over the place. We need a striker. And add another DP and we are cooking.

Insigne is never going to get the ball from 50 yards and take on 3 guys. His game is more around movement and one-twos in tight space where his skill shines. Did you see Ako and Nelson and Kerr last game? Literally were invisible so Insigne had to try and do it alone, same with Berna. And he did produce a moment of magic that very few if anyone else in the league can do, just like his wonder goal in Nashville. You pay the big bucks, and you get players and moments like this.

Cheers.

[Ultra & Proud]

A couple of points...I fully agree we should be better. I've been saying it over and over given our resources and highest payroll in the league, we have to be able to make it work. It has worked here before. Small budget teams (relative to us) do way more with less...like Columbus, Seattle, etc....but we are a huge market, and like in LA (for both teams), the fans want to see "star" names play. It is what it is. Seattle is run very well, they are a well oiled maching on and off the pitch.

Highest payroll doesn't mean much when it's based on two player's salaries. We would be top 5 with just Insigne. So the whole highest payroll is a falacy as it's the ability to work the cap beyond the DPs & TAMs to have decent pieces & depth that can work within the cap max threshold. That's why Seattle is always good. They excel at this.

As for needing a CF, maybe. I would still like to see us go get a fast guy but I am not ready to write off JJ just yet. Ayo I have already written off. Nelsen has improved and from what is being said, Insigne likes him and is helping him so it's worth getting him in there to learn and grow. Unless MLS changes it's cap mechanisms then it's players like Nelsen that make the difference between being a flash in the pan team like TAMtlanta for a few years or a forever good team like Seattle. BB already referenced this exact thing when talking about our young players and mentioned Seattle's ability to add in quality homegrowns to essentially 'add' cap space for other roster parts.

Two months ago I would have helped Nelsen pack to get him out of here. Now I see he has hope so helping him come along is best for the team.