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OgtheDim
07-14-2022, 06:30 AM
Summon Up the Blood




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOOZDO5KDv4


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Have at It People

613reppingTFC
07-14-2022, 09:37 AM
So checking out the stats, I know we have given up 38 goals which is 2nd worst in the league at this point. However, if you were to check prior to yesterday's game, MTL who is sitting in 4th have given up 35 goals. Now Cincinnati have given up the same amount and they are in 6th. Somehow they are both just getting points throughout those games where they are still leaking quite close to the same amount of goals as us.

Kamp Berg
07-14-2022, 10:59 AM
Going to miss watching this game live, and because TSN has the shittiest app and site possible, I won’t be able to watch a replay. Probably not good for my mental health anyway.

Can’t wait for Apple to take over.

portu
07-14-2022, 11:07 AM
Heavy loss incoming.

Joe Kool
07-14-2022, 12:02 PM
I am a sucker for punishment...I will watch.

Smokecell
07-14-2022, 12:23 PM
To be successful Petrasso, O'Neil, Mavinga and Kosi cannot be in the XI so unless a whole new backline is at KTG this morning it's not looking great.

Yuushalinsky
07-14-2022, 09:18 PM
To be successful Petrasso, O'Neil, Mavinga and Kosi cannot be in the XI so unless a whole new backline is at KTG this morning it's not looking great.

I'd be OK with Petrasso O'Neill MacNaughton Criscito.

Ultra & Proud
07-15-2022, 06:29 AM
I'd be OK with Petrasso O'Neill MacNaughton Criscito.

That's the best we can do right now but if Croscito won't play RB then Chung. Time to rest Kosi for a while.

Mr. Inbetween
07-15-2022, 07:37 AM
To be successful Petrasso, O'Neil, Mavinga and Kosi cannot be in the XI so unless a whole new backline is at KTG this morning it's not looking great.


I'd be OK with Petrasso O'Neill MacNaughton Criscito.


That's the best we can do right now but if Croscito won't play RB then Chung. Time to rest Kosi for a while.

I am ok with R to L,
O'Neill, Criscito, Mavinga, MacNaughton.
Although, we may never see Mavinga on the pitch for TFC again.
Plus,
Kaye, Bradley, Osorio.
JJ, Nelson, Akinola.

IMHO, this is the back line that should have started last game as the best option for the best chance.
I cannot believe who and the way Bob fielded what he did.
Regardless of his mantra and the way we perceive him, when required or suited by him,
Bob has made personnel and formation-al, strategic and tactical, play adjustments in his past.
Any first half season assessment experiment is over; nothing more to be gained, unless...
And I am probably reading too much into it, but...
This is why I think some Machiavellian, 4D Chess, shoving and tugging, power play may be going on; message sending?
Bob's mood and smirks during the Mavinga incident, as well as during the post game presser may be telling.
One may argue that there seems to be a clear delineation between Bob and Bill selections.
Regarding their player visions, requirements, requisitions and any consultations with The Hand U and King T.
Maybe there is a battle going on about that last DP option and how it should be used?

Kamp Berg
07-15-2022, 07:51 AM
That's the best we can do right now but if Croscito won't play RB then Chung. Time to rest Kosi for a while.


I am ok with R to L,
O'Neill, Criscito, Mavinga, MacNaughton.
Although, we may never see Mavinga on the pitch for TFC again.
Plus,
Kaye, Bradley, Osorio.
JJ, Nelson, Akinola.

IMHO, this is the back line that should have started last game as the best option for the best chance.
I cannot believe who and the way Bob fielded what he did.
Regardless of his mantra and the way we perceive him, when required or suited by him,
Bob has made personnel and formation-al, strategic and tactical, play adjustments in his past.
Any first half season assessment experiment is over; nothing more to be gained, unless...
And I am probably reading too much into it, but...
This is why I think some Machiavellian, 4D Chess, shoving and tugging, power play may be going on; message sending?
Bob's mood and smirks during the Mavinga incident, as well as during the post game presser may be telling.
One may argue that there seems to be a clear delineation between Bob and Bill selections.
Regarding their player visions, requirements, requisitions and any consultations with The Hand U and King T.
Maybe there is a battle going on about that last DP option and how it should be used?

According to whoscored, Kosi is our overall highest rated defender.

Mr. Inbetween
07-15-2022, 08:24 AM
According to whoscored, Kosi is our overall highest rated defender.

No doubt.
I support any Moneyball-esque argument.
However, football, the beautiful game, on occasion, as an art, at times deserves such an approach.
Sometimes it's the intangibles.
Maybe experience in favour of objective statistics in this case?

Graeme
07-15-2022, 08:27 AM
After Wednesday's game, I'd rather get rid of Ayo to anyone who would take him. Woeful.

stevep
07-15-2022, 08:40 AM
If anyone here is convinced tfc is not going to win in Montreal here’s a betting strategy you can employ
Bet in the following ratio $2.45for Montreal, $1.00 for a tie
if tfc does not win you make $0.80
If tfc wins you lose $3.45

Ultra & Proud
07-15-2022, 08:57 AM
According to whoscored, Kosi is our overall highest rated defender.
More proof that analytics are useless. He gets the highest score by standing around and removing himself from the action. By this metric I could play RB and just mark the right side linesman and I'd be like a 7.4

Kamp Berg
07-15-2022, 08:59 AM
That's the best we can do right now but if Croscito won't play RB then Chung. Time to rest Kosi for a while.


No doubt.
I support any Moneyball-esque argument.
However, football, the beautiful game, on occasion, as an art, at times deserves such an approach.
Sometimes it's the intangibles.
Maybe experience in favour of objective statistics in this case?

I actually posted it more out of surprise than conviction. I thought he looked absolutely demoralized last game, I felt bad for him. I would sit him and Petrasso next game, and let Criscito and JMR start. Unfortunately, I feel like Bob has already written the season off and it’s now a moot point.

OgtheDim
07-15-2022, 10:17 AM
After Wednesday's game, I'd rather get rid of Ayo to anyone who would take him. Woeful.

3 games before that, he was great.

i.e. Lets not throw away people based on a small sample of games within a 2 week period.

ag futbol
07-15-2022, 11:35 AM
3 games before that, he was great.

i.e. Lets not throw away people based on a small sample of games within a 2 week period.
He’ll do as a backup. But generally, I’m not entirely sold he’s going to be as great as people were projecting.

Yuushalinsky
07-15-2022, 11:52 AM
He’ll do as a backup. But generally, I’m not entirely sold he’s going to be as great as people were projecting.

I feel this way about everyone younger than 22 at this point...

Blkndkr
07-15-2022, 04:58 PM
If anyone is in need of a ticket for the game tomorrow, there’s a good chance I have one available. PM me if interested

TheRenter
07-16-2022, 10:51 AM
Any meet up here in Mtl for those going to the game?!

Bushmancan
07-16-2022, 11:48 AM
I was told McLeans Pub on Peel. https://mcleanspub.com/

jloome
07-16-2022, 12:46 PM
I was told McLeans Pub on Peel. https://mcleanspub.com/

Is this around the corner from the (probably for
er home of) Tramway bistro?

I spent a chunk of my youth getting drunk within a few hundred feet of that place (mostly at The Peel Pub).

Mr. Inbetween
07-16-2022, 01:30 PM
Don't wait for me lads if I'm late.
Go on and enjoy the match.
I'm 'busy' next door at X-Cite. :rolleyes:

TheRenter
07-16-2022, 02:51 PM
I was told McLeans Pub on Peel. https://mcleanspub.com/

Ran into a couple of supporters here.. confirmed.. thanks!

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 05:49 PM
Pregame show tonight @ 7 on TSN4

Before that is the Il Magnifico MLSE video on Insigne.

noxx98
07-16-2022, 06:04 PM
https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1548438063134560256
No Oso. Injured or...?

gracos
07-16-2022, 06:07 PM
Is Mavinga injured or is he being considered to be chopped, cannot see him at least on the bench, if we need to call upon him

noxx98
07-16-2022, 06:08 PM
Is Mavinga injured or is he being considered to be chopped, cannot see him at least on the bench, if we need to call upon him
The injury report had him listed as out with an injury: https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/mlssoccer-com-injury-report

gracos
07-16-2022, 06:10 PM
The injury report had him listed as out with an injury: https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/mlssoccer-com-injury-report

thanks

reggie
07-16-2022, 06:17 PM
oso is becoming jozy,mavinga with the injuries i feel its going to be a long and nasty night and we can blame nelson for the loss

noxx98
07-16-2022, 06:18 PM
oso is becoming jozy,mavinga with the injuries i feel its going to be a long and nasty night and we can blame nelson for the loss
We blaming Nelson for picking up a yellow card last game and not being able to play today?

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 06:20 PM
Ryan Nelson?

reggie
07-16-2022, 06:22 PM
We blaming Nelson for picking up a yellow card last game and not being able to play today?
no really...i guess we can blame oso for being injured half the time
according to a lot of people on here he is garbage,so the team should be better tonight

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 06:22 PM
Concussion protocol for Osorio....

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 06:33 PM
Get the strong feeling the Impact are going to kill us early. If we play that high line, there is no speed back there today for recovery.

FootBallAZ
07-16-2022, 06:34 PM
Lol ugly- management keeps on mis managing since 2018- there is no way TFC line up should be this weak regardless of players not arriving.


Montreal may spank TFC.
Result of half ass'd management , could have been more strategic.



Anyone know what happened with salcedo- was this contract mutually terminated ? Is TFC still paying and any implications on roster buying power ?

FootBallAZ
07-16-2022, 06:35 PM
Get the strong feeling the Impact are going to kill us early. If we play that high line, there is no speed back there today for recovery.

Highline will expose TFC, it has been better than the first four games where anyone could send it over the top for a easy break.

noxx98
07-16-2022, 06:37 PM
Anyone know what happened with salcedo- was this contract mutually terminated ? Is TFC still paying and any implications on roster buying power ?
Mutual termination, no roster negative roster implications.

James17930
07-16-2022, 06:37 PM
This is going to be ugly.

ag futbol
07-16-2022, 06:40 PM
oso is becoming jozy,
I mean, other than the actually scoring and producing part.

tfcfans
07-16-2022, 06:43 PM
So betting the Over 2.5 total seems pretty safe tonight right?! (LOL):rolleyes:

noxx98
07-16-2022, 06:43 PM
TFC to win 3-1, 2 from Ayo, one from Jesus.

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 06:43 PM
It might be a 3-5-2.

I suspect our biggest problem is going to be service to the strikers.

Ball movement has to be quicker then the Chicago game.

noxx98
07-16-2022, 06:44 PM
So betting the Over 2.5 total seems pretty safe tonight right?! (LOL):rolleyes:
Montreal only has 5 goals in their last 6 games. Shut out 3 times.

reggie
07-16-2022, 06:45 PM
mtl has a solid lineup tonight ,dorde is back and will probs play the 2nd half,i wish we could play the odd park the bus game and scratch out a result,i dont get why rutty is not starting the odd game

jloome
07-16-2022, 06:47 PM
Montreal only has 5 goals in their last 6 games. Shut out 3 times.

We just beat them 4-0. No reason we can't win
again. Their defence
is about as shit as ours

tfcfans
07-16-2022, 06:48 PM
Bono being in net is usually good for at least 2 goals against....and with our back line? Putting at least one kids college tuition down on the over tonight....(I’m joking).....

tfcfans
07-16-2022, 06:52 PM
What’s the odds on TFC gives up the first goal within 15 minutes of the opening whistle....I’m sure those are nice odds too...LOL...

.....is it 2023 yet? Let me know the next time TFC plays with all three DPs, Kaye and Osorio - can we have 5/11 of a lineup that seems to be playing for the present (in their prime), and not the future of kids, or the past with #4 playing 90 minutes.....A guy can dream of this reality at some point right? (Notice there are no names mentioned there of a competent back line or keeper?!) :facepalm:

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 06:53 PM
Ted Unkel....consistent & fair & I do like the way he points to the spot for a penalty

NK Toronto
07-16-2022, 06:53 PM
Get the strong feeling the Impact are going to kill us early. If we play that high line, there is no speed back there today for recovery.

Can someone more tactically astute than me explain why we continue to play our defenders so high when we continue to give up breakaways that result in goals?

PizzaEatingYeti
07-16-2022, 06:55 PM
Why TFC is not playing in red?
F.ing stupid choice...

tfcfans
07-16-2022, 07:04 PM
Almost gave up the first one in less than 5 minutes — it’s like we are predictable or something.....

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 07:05 PM
That crowd is loud....

our midfield is being bypassed

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 07:06 PM
Kerr just went missing on a run by them down our left...Akinola went to play midfield.

ensco
07-16-2022, 07:11 PM
Anyone got an idea for a drinking game for the inevitable Montreal goals coming here?

NK Toronto
07-16-2022, 07:13 PM
Kerr is having a poor game

jloome
07-16-2022, 07:15 PM
Kerr is having a poor game

Mixed bag but he has a couple of very sloppy plays so far. Decent on the tackle but he can't keep giving the ball away.

daner90
07-16-2022, 07:15 PM
It looks like our guys have no idea what they are supposed to be doing. This could get ugly

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 07:15 PM
Really beginning to notice the lack of urgency Thompson has about his defensive positioning. Foul happens on his wing...he stops moving for a bit like its a foul done during practice & they blow past him on their way against our back 3.


Its a derby - the pace is going to be fast.

Urgency...need to get these guys to recognise that every second is urgent at this level.

ag futbol
07-16-2022, 07:15 PM
Pretty intense start. Change in formation definitely warranted given the lack of available players.

We have to be able to settle and possess the ball if we’re to stop this onslaught.

jloome
07-16-2022, 07:16 PM
I don't get the sense yet that this is desperate or lost. Lots of possession but only a couple of chances in 20 mins. We can turn this around.

James17930
07-16-2022, 07:16 PM
Why TFC is not playing in red?
F.ing stupid choice...

I know – it's really starting to piss me off how often they wear this stupid kit.

ensco
07-16-2022, 07:18 PM
How much would we love Piette if he was ours?

jloome
07-16-2022, 07:18 PM
A lot of this feels like a deliberate demand by BB that they hold defensive shape. They're a lot more compact going back than in the past. Still can't tackle for shit, of course....

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 07:18 PM
When your best playmaker is your LCB....

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 07:19 PM
How much would we love Piette if he was ours?


As much as Oso....who gets a BIG cheer everytime his name is announced at BMO.

jloome
07-16-2022, 07:20 PM
Damn, Criscito with the crazy good long ball for Ayo.

jloome
07-16-2022, 07:23 PM
This might actually be turning into a good game.

jloome
07-16-2022, 07:25 PM
Charming, heh heh

daner90
07-16-2022, 07:26 PM
The quality of Criscito with the ball at this feet *chefs kiss*

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 07:26 PM
It feels like a derby...

they don't have to be a hot knife to go thourgh our butter of a midfield because our midfield looks like it has melted...

ensco
07-16-2022, 07:29 PM
Interesting reaction from Criscito at having to clear that cross for a corner. He and BB will get along.

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 07:29 PM
Caldweld was saying pre-game Kerr would be a great addition to the midfield with his speed. He keeps losing the ball.

jloome
07-16-2022, 07:30 PM
Caldweld was saying pre-game Kerr would be a great addition to the midfield with his speed. He keeps losing the ball.

Playing amateur ball, played for a whistle he was never going to get. He has potential though.

SilverSamurai
07-16-2022, 07:31 PM
Anyone got a link for an online stream?

wopchop
07-16-2022, 07:32 PM
I had forgotten that Kamara was with Montreal now. Guy is such a mercenary.

Crazy that he is fifth all time for MLS goals and has done that with 9 different teams (10 separate stints).

ag futbol
07-16-2022, 07:33 PM
Can somebody not coach Bono out of rushing to distribute the ball as quickly as possible, even when the quick pass isn’t on?

Liek wait for your team to move out of the defensive third at least. Ugggh

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 07:35 PM
Good to see Bradley NOT taking corners.

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 07:37 PM
Interesting reaction from Criscito at having to clear that cross for a corner. He and BB will get along.

I was watching Criscito for that bit & thinking he's going "Hmmm...just like playing for Genoa this year."

Thomas
07-16-2022, 07:43 PM
We can do better than Ayo. I hope he scores soon.

MikeForbes
07-16-2022, 07:45 PM
We can do better than Ayo. I hope he scores soon.

He looks like he is carrying some extra weight.

rydermike
07-16-2022, 07:45 PM
Why TFC is not playing in red?
F.ing stupid choice...
They make a jersey with a colour scheme that a) has no connection to the team and b) is just plain ugly and then they're shocked it doesn't sell, so they figure they'll wear it every game to try to convince us.

Who knows, maybe they'll realize how bad it is and instead of just a new red kit, they'll replace both. A red one with white and green accents and then a white one with azzurri blue accents to go with our Italian transformation

Thomas
07-16-2022, 07:46 PM
Yeah….at least a couple double cheese burgers

noxx98
07-16-2022, 07:48 PM
Half way to a clean sheet...

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 07:49 PM
Can't get the ball out of our own half. There is nobody out there but Criscito who can make a forward pass that breaks the lines.

Petrasso going forward has been our best attacking threat.

ag futbol
07-16-2022, 07:51 PM
Hot take:

Akinola is good only for playing centrally as a lone striker and running onto a final ball. Otherwise, he struggles to do most things at the MLS level and is living off one hot run of form in the MLS bubble

MikeForbes
07-16-2022, 07:52 PM
Only seen the last 10ish minutes of that half, better or worse than the Chicago game so far in terms of performance?

noxx98
07-16-2022, 07:53 PM
Only seen the last 10ish minutes of that half, better or worse than the Chicago game so far in terms of performance?
I'd say comparable. We're playing deeper defensively, but can't get any control of the ball.

jloome
07-16-2022, 07:55 PM
One way you can be sure Steven Caldwell will never be a great coach: he thinks allowing Sam Piette space in the corner is a bad thing.

Every coach would love to isolate the worst shooter and crosser of a ball on the other team and have him take everything.

MikeForbes
07-16-2022, 07:55 PM
Also, why no Oso?

ensco
07-16-2022, 07:55 PM
Petrasso going forward has been our best attacking threat.

Reminds me of Andy Welsh though. Pace, energy. No idea how to break anyone down one on one.

Petrasso also most likely to receive a headbutt from Criscito.

noxx98
07-16-2022, 07:56 PM
Also, why no Oso?
Concussion protocol

PizzaEatingYeti
07-16-2022, 07:57 PM
I was watching Criscito for that bit & thinking he's going "Hmmm...just like playing for Genoa this year."

Damn it, I was thinking exactly the same about what was is his mind...

MikeForbes
07-16-2022, 07:58 PM
Concussion protocol

Damn. Hopefully he is good for next weekend.

PizzaEatingYeti
07-16-2022, 08:05 PM
Damn. Hopefully he is good for next weekend.

While we are hit with the injury bug only averagely compared to last 2 or so seasons (but still too much), we are really hard hit with family problems/mental problems of the guys.

jloome
07-16-2022, 08:05 PM
We seem to be in full CONCACAF shittery mode to start the second half. I approve.

Thomas
07-16-2022, 08:07 PM
We score soon I hope

Inklink
07-16-2022, 08:11 PM
Kosi is so bad

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 08:11 PM
Do we not have another RB?

noxx98
07-16-2022, 08:12 PM
Would really like to see JMR and Shaff get some time this game.

rydermike
07-16-2022, 08:14 PM
Do we not have another RB?
Instead of saving the GAM for Kaye, we should've spent it on Alistair Johnston like Montreal did.

notthesun
07-16-2022, 08:14 PM
Do we not have another RB?

I'd rather see JMR there at this point, even though that's far from ideal in itself. Kosi started well but lately it's clear he's just not up for this level yet.

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 08:16 PM
I'd rather see JMR there at this point, even though that's far from ideal in itself. Kosi started well but lately it's clear he's just not up for this level yet.

I think he has just played too much - young guys can't keep that going yet.

Amir.
07-16-2022, 08:16 PM
Montreal now has Johnston going at Petrasso non stop...not a good matchup...gotta do something about it

ensco
07-16-2022, 08:17 PM
MB’s best pass of the year. The old warrior showed something there.

MikeForbes
07-16-2022, 08:18 PM
Mihailovic is gonna be the difference.

SilverSamurai
07-16-2022, 08:19 PM
Reminds me of Andy Welsh though. Pace, energy. No idea how to break anyone down one on one.

Petrasso also most likely to receive a headbutt from Criscito.

That's going way back!

Whatever happened to him btw?

Bobo
07-16-2022, 08:19 PM
Why is Kaye trying to be Roberto Baggio tonight? Fancy flicks and dummies are not how he needs to get in the game.

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 08:19 PM
Somehow...we are still in this. Don't expect that to last much longer with their big guns on now.

MikeForbes
07-16-2022, 08:21 PM
Criscito has crazy quality, but his pace isn't there.

James17930
07-16-2022, 08:21 PM
We are just so toothless - should be the final game where that's a problem though. Can't wait for next weekend.

If we get out of here at 0-0 it'll be a miracle.

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 08:22 PM
One way you can be sure Steven Caldwell will never be a great coach: he thinks allowing Sam Piette space in the corner is a bad thing.

Every coach would love to isolate the worst shooter and crosser of a ball on the other team and have him take everything.


Like giving the ball to Bono....

TFC/Everton
07-16-2022, 08:23 PM
Jimenez has let us down several times tonight.

rydermike
07-16-2022, 08:23 PM
We are just so toothless - should be the final game where that's a problem though. Can't wait for next weekend.

If we get out of here at 0-0 it'll be a miracle.
We're going to let in an 85+ minute winner to lose most likely

Inklink
07-16-2022, 08:23 PM
firedrill

Inklink
07-16-2022, 08:24 PM
that wasn't offside though

Thomas
07-16-2022, 08:24 PM
JJ might pull us out of this.

Amir.
07-16-2022, 08:24 PM
oneill playing very well

ensco
07-16-2022, 08:25 PM
Is Montreal’s xG in double digits?

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 08:26 PM
JMR for Petrasso is the only sub I can see actually doing something.

jloome
07-16-2022, 08:27 PM
Well that was embarassing.

What the fuck were we doing there? Why the Hell didn't we just clear the box off the goalkick?

Insane.

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 08:27 PM
All that caused by a lot of farting around with the ball around the back.

tfcfans
07-16-2022, 08:27 PM
We are just so toothless - should be the final game where that's a problem though. Can't wait for next weekend.

If we get out of here at 0-0 it'll be a miracle.

there are no miracles this year - haven’t you been watching? (LOL)

Bobo
07-16-2022, 08:28 PM
What even was that passing sequence out the back? Lol. Deserves the Benny Hill treatment. Way to piss it away.

ensco
07-16-2022, 08:28 PM
Well that was embarassing.

What the fuck were we doing there? Why the Hell didn't we just clear the box off the goalkick?

Insane.

Why pick on that play? We have been a shambles in the back third 15 times tonight

tfcfans
07-16-2022, 08:29 PM
Who would have thought that no DPs, no Osorio, and a horrendous back line would lead to this ? Simply shocking....:facepalm:

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 08:29 PM
Why pick on that play? We have been a shambles in the back third 15 times tonight

Not like that though. Bono can't deal with a press.


The journos are going to be all "Well Bono kept them in the game" - completely ignoring how his awful distribution & inability to deal with a press on him cost us possession time & time again.

Amir.
07-16-2022, 08:30 PM
repeat something over and over and over...petrasso should have been pulled 20 min ago...cross from his side and goal

notthesun
07-16-2022, 08:30 PM
Bono just can't do himself any favours can he? Makes 3 or 4 incredible saves and then decides to take a 5 foot goal kick to a guy who is obviously going to be immediately pressured and has no passing options.

Just so amateurish.

ensco
07-16-2022, 08:30 PM
Petrasso cannot handle Johnston. He has been on an island against the guy all game.

Johnston is a starter in Qatar in November. Its not fair to the kid.

ensco
07-16-2022, 08:31 PM
Not like that though. Bono can't deal with a press.

That was definitely epic… kind of the whole season in one sequence

MikeForbes
07-16-2022, 08:31 PM
Ayo lives offside.

jloome
07-16-2022, 08:31 PM
Think we just got hosed boys.

tfcfans
07-16-2022, 08:31 PM
I’m only disappointed that my over 2.5 goals isn’t happening —- Come on Montreal, pick it up :rolleyes:

PizzaEatingYeti
07-16-2022, 08:33 PM
It's no words to describe how much of a sad sack is this TFC team this season (yet again).

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 08:34 PM
We can get a goal like that but our guys are just unable to get on the ball outside of our own third all that enough.

Inklink
07-16-2022, 08:37 PM
Kaye has been disappointing

noxx98
07-16-2022, 08:39 PM
This could be our chance...

ag futbol
07-16-2022, 08:39 PM
Forgive me for saying so, especially about a guy who basically just got off a plane and was given a uniform, but I’m not seeing a million dollars of value out of Kaye just yet.

Kind of a BS second yellow but also a stupid play by Miller. Why would you go up for that challenge on a yellow up a goal?

Inklink
07-16-2022, 08:39 PM
Shut the hell up Caldwell.

Every booking is harsh to this rambling donkey. Can't wait until his ass is off the broadcast.

That's a yellow 10/10 times

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 08:39 PM
Caldwell you nonce...that IS a yellow anywhere in the world.

MikeForbes
07-16-2022, 08:39 PM
Caldwell thinks overhead kicks aren't dangerous.

notthesun
07-16-2022, 08:40 PM
Go home Caldwell

rydermike
07-16-2022, 08:40 PM
Ok Caldwell. If the keeper has the ball controlled, you cannot kick it. No ifs ands or buts. Intent is irrelevant. Force is irrelevant. It's a yellow.

zorsofstesab
07-16-2022, 08:40 PM
William Nylander = Deandre Kerr?

One avoids corners while the other avoids tackles.

jloome
07-16-2022, 08:41 PM
Forgive me for saying so, especially about a guy who basically just got off a plane and was given a uniform, but I’m not seeing a million dollars forty or value out of Kaye just yet.

Priso is starting tonight for Colorado.

... Having said that, I think Kaye is a class player. Our system just isn't much of a system yet. We don't recover well, we don't support each other well. We play an outlet pass, two guys are on our player. We lose all the long balls.

We just have several guys who aren't good enough AND we lack cohesion due to people always changing positions and always being under the gun.

Amir.
07-16-2022, 08:42 PM
miller sent off...bradley make subs go for it no more waiting

jloome
07-16-2022, 08:44 PM
I must admit, Kaye's long passing has been pretty dreadful.

Amir.
07-16-2022, 08:44 PM
thats it criscito has to play higher

Inklink
07-16-2022, 08:44 PM
Some of Ayo's reads are comical

MikeForbes
07-16-2022, 08:44 PM
Bob knows he can use a sub, right?

ag futbol
07-16-2022, 08:45 PM
Ted Uncle is a clueless dolt.

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 08:46 PM
They look like a bunch of guys going through their 3rd game in 7 days...without a sub.

ensco
07-16-2022, 08:46 PM
Forgive me for saying so, especially about a guy who basically just got off a plane and was given a uniform, but I’m not seeing a million dollars forty or value out of Kaye just yet.


This is fair. The obvious response is, give it a few weeks, but yeah, he hasn’t shown much… his best plays were a couple of dummies.

tfcfans
07-16-2022, 08:46 PM
It's no words to describe how much of a sad sack is this TFC team this season (yet again).

there are lots of words, and I’m only using the “clean” ones now.....

.....how about - embarrassing, pathetic, weak, ill-conceived (or poorly designed if you prefer), insulting (to ask us as supporters to pay for this crap with higher prices), egotistical (ie. “We know what we are doing here” - no you don’t, and since about April 2018 it’s been a relative crap fest especially considering this is a “big budget team” getting passed by expansion teams like Nashville and Austin (yes, we had a fluke run in 2019) - I have lots more words but those are the first ones I can think of....

Can’t wait for the renewal notices to arrive - I’m sure they will be hoping that the DPs will win a game or two to sell us the “hope” of next year —- until I see a back line and a goalie, this isn’t going to be cured by Serie A yet.

jloome
07-16-2022, 08:47 PM
Damn close.

Bradley runs into the space Jimenez is trying to take at the top of the box, leaves him stranded.

Amir.
07-16-2022, 08:47 PM
pull out the players who cant run!! akinola petrasso what is going on here

Inklink
07-16-2022, 08:48 PM
90th minute subs lol

MikeForbes
07-16-2022, 08:48 PM
Guess the summer of Perruzza is canceled.

rydermike
07-16-2022, 08:48 PM
O'neill seems like the only guy who gives a shit

James17930
07-16-2022, 08:49 PM
90th minute subs lol

Seriously - what is the point of that?

Should've brought Shaff on much earlier.

jloome
07-16-2022, 08:51 PM
Well, I think we were screwed on the second offside goal disallowance, but it's not like we deserved any points out of this.

I have to say, it can't all be the players and speed. Some of this has to be the coaching. They lack cohesion, they don't talk, they don't support or read ahead of the play, even the veteran guys.

It feels like watching a Mo team, almost. The player quality improves it, but the general feeling of clueless generalizing feels the same.

Auzzy
07-16-2022, 08:51 PM
Bob Bradley is an effin clueless thick-headed idiot.

Inklink
07-16-2022, 08:51 PM
Caldwell really thinks this is some amazing achievement beating this garbage TFC squad.

zorsofstesab
07-16-2022, 08:53 PM
We may have 11 on the field but play like we have 7 at max. New additions will help but still big gaps that need to get filled.

James17930
07-16-2022, 08:53 PM
Well, I think we were screwed on the second offside goal disallowance, but it's not like we deserved any points out of this.

I have to say, it can't all be the players and speed. Some of this has to be the coaching. They lack cohesion, they don't talk, they don't support or read ahead of the play, even the veteran guys.

It feels like watching a Mo team, almost. The player quality improves it, but the general feeling of clueless generalizing feels the same.

Yeah - it is starting to feel like his style of coaching is 'get fast guys who like to attack and let them run.' Like that's it. No strategy or plan or shape or defensive theory or anything.

jloome
07-16-2022, 08:53 PM
All I can say is, we better start winning a lot of games with the Italians in, or BB is going to end this season looking very much liker an MLS 1.0 coach, giving players way too much leeway to just figure it out and not drilling tactical movement enough. They look utterly incohesive.

TFC/Everton
07-16-2022, 08:53 PM
Another loss.

Hope this is the end of a terrible chapter and the start of a new one.

God, supporting this team is frustrating.

ag futbol
07-16-2022, 08:54 PM
I thought O’Neill and MacNaughton did okay given the circumstances. But the fullback / wingback situation is just out of control.

They can’t contribute to any aspect of the play.

tfcfans
07-16-2022, 08:54 PM
Solid effort boys - only 13 more games to write off another season -

Thomas
07-16-2022, 08:54 PM
Caldwell loves it when we lose

jloome
07-16-2022, 08:54 PM
Yeah - it is starting to feel like his style of coaching is 'get fast guys who like to attack and let them run.' Like that's it. No strategy or plan or shape or defensive theory or anything.

I'm losing faith that the guy is anything more than an arch motivator. He helps players believe in themselves, but this team needs discipline, shape, cohesion. I see none of that.

Bobo
07-16-2022, 08:55 PM
The universe was giving them the ugly MLS draw and the quasi-professionals still found a way to give it away.

These shiny attacking signings are the lipstick for the pig.

Auzzy
07-16-2022, 08:55 PM
Well, I think we were screwed on the second offside goal disallowance, but it's not like we deserved any points out of this.

I have to say, it can't all be the players and speed. Some of this has to be the coaching. They lack cohesion, they don't talk, they don't support or read ahead of the play, even the veteran guys.

It feels like watching a Mo team, almost. The player quality improves it, but the general feeling of clueless generalizing feels the same.

I agree, and they consistently don't get open for each other.

Only hope is that TFC has blown a silly amount of money on some big stars, and that they may get something done despite the coach -- w/o getting injured.

ag futbol
07-16-2022, 08:56 PM
Well, I think we were screwed on the second offside goal disallowance, but it's not like we deserved any points out of this.

I have to say, it can't all be the players and speed. Some of this has to be the coaching. They lack cohesion, they don't talk, they don't support or read ahead of the play, even the veteran guys.

It feels like watching a Mo team, almost. The player quality improves it, but the general feeling of clueless generalizing feels the same.
Ooof. That’s a lot, but I’d struggle to argue with it.

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 08:57 PM
Well, I think we were screwed on the second offside goal disallowance, but it's not like we deserved any points out of this.

I have to say, it can't all be the players and speed. Some of this has to be the coaching. They lack cohesion, they don't talk, they don't support or read ahead of the play, even the veteran guys.

It feels like watching a Mo team, almost. The player quality improves it, but the general feeling of clueless generalizing feels the same.


We played with probably 6 guys who a year from now should not be in our best starting 11.

O'Neill
McNaughton
Petrasso
Thompson
Kerr
Bono


7 if you count Bradley being older next year



There was no chance creator out there baring our LCB - Bradley was poor.

Our keeper is a shot stopper who gives the ball away every time he kicks it out.

The bench is paper thin.


Bradley went to a 3-5-2 & it somehow held for much of the game. I have no clue what else he could have gone to that would have made a difference, baring JMR for Petrasso.


Where I do fault BB is he seems to have his favourites (as all coaches do) & I don't get why JMR & Shaff are way down on the bench.

That & a consistent inability to deal with any version of a press.


********


Our best 4 players were not on the pitch.

Our best defenders going into this season have either imploded or left.

We fixed the LB issue but Mavinga's implosion leaves us with nobody of quality at the back but for that LB - Criscito.

We have NO other option at RB (that is just BAD & they have to fix this in the next few weeks)


What was especially bad tonight though was the midfield play - Kaye & Bradley were awful & Kerr was out of his depth.

Auzzy
07-16-2022, 08:59 PM
I thought O’Neill and MacNaughton did okay given the circumstances. But the fullback / wingback situation is just out of control.

They can’t contribute to any aspect of the play.

Kosi Thompson hasn't been all bad this season, especially given his age and experience. But he was really hopeless tonight. Nobody can make me believe that Chung couldn't have done a better job, at least as a sub.

daner90
07-16-2022, 09:00 PM
Bob Bradley and Chris Armas are the same manager. Prove me wrong #embarrassing

stevep
07-16-2022, 09:00 PM
Tfc has lowest ppg of any team in mls

tfcfans
07-16-2022, 09:03 PM
I think our entire marketing plan consists of - let’s sign Canadians and Italians and hope that this will be enough to sell tickets despite horrendous performances on the field and a complete lack of a way to generally stop goals or playing most of the games in our own end of the field.....

.....but hey you can buy a TFC shirt with an Owl, and a TFC shirt with an Italian flag on it (seems odd we never did this with other DPs nationalities, but that’s another story for another day?!).....this screams MLSE, we sold a bunch of Bieber themed Leafs jerseys, yet winning an actual playoff series in 15-20 years not so much.....highest prices in the league, check, selling merch, check......winning when it counts (Leafs), or at all (TFC).....not so much.....(it still amazes me that Masai flourishes in a non-marquee market for NBA players, despite the ineptitude above him)....

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 09:09 PM
I think our entire marketing plan consists of - let’s sign Canadians ..

The kids are only there because Vanney & Curtis didn't blood them in 2019-2021 like they should have.

As for Kaye, he's good & will come through.

We had NO chance creators on that pitch baring Criscito - MB is not one anymore & Kaye isn't a good one either. Hell, I'd argue if we started Westberg, he would have been our second best chance creator.

********

Next Saturday we should...should..have 3 decent chance creators on the pitch. That will make a big difference in our ability to hold onto the ball & to get shots & to score goals.


Our defence still suks donkey ballz though & we are going to have to win by scoring early, holding onto the ball & making them pay for having to take chances.


********

What I did not see tonight, BTW, was people giving up - nobody stopped trying. They just were not good enough.

I remember the playoffs in 2015 - some of those guys gave up & were gone within days.

tfcfans
07-16-2022, 09:20 PM
The kids are only there because Vanney & Curtis didn't blood them in 2019-2021 like they should have.

As for Kaye, he's good & will come through.

We had NO chance creators on that pitch baring Criscito - MB is not one anymore & Kaye isn't a good one either. Hell, I'd argue if we started Westberg, he would have been our second best chance creator.

********

Next Saturday we should...should..have 3 decent chance creators on the pitch. That will make a big difference in our ability to hold onto the ball & to get shots & to score goals.


Our defence still suks donkey ballz though & we are going to have to win by scoring early, holding onto the ball & making them pay for having to take chances.


********

What I did not see tonight, BTW, was people giving up - nobody stopped trying. They just were not good enough.

I remember the playoffs in 2015 - some of those guys gave up & were gone within days.

I definitely agree with the last part, they simply aren’t good enough....can I paraphrase Josh Donaldson though here — “this isn’t the try league, this is the get it done league” — are they still charging full prices to the games? Do they still keep track of wins and losses?

....we knew at least 1/2 a season we would not be playing with our “marquee” signing - ok.....but we have not been even competitive from a defensive standpoint the whole year and that’s not something we have seen a whole lot of improvement on over 20 games or so — If you don’t have the offensive talent (which we knew going into the season), then show me that you can have someone in our academy or elsewhere that can make the game not look so complicated back there in our end, and a shambolic mess most nights - lets be real here, 1-0 was flattering to us tonight...

ag futbol
07-16-2022, 09:24 PM
The kids are only there because Vanney & Curtis didn't blood them in 2019-2021 like they should have.

As for Kaye, he's good & will come through.

We had NO chance creators on that pitch baring Criscito - MB is not one anymore & Kaye isn't a good one either. Hell, I'd argue if we started Westberg, he would have been our second best chance creator.

********

Next Saturday we should...should..have 3 decent chance creators on the pitch. That will make a big difference in our ability to hold onto the ball & to get shots & to score goals.


Our defence still suks donkey ballz though & we are going to have to win by scoring early, holding onto the ball & making them pay for having to take chances.


********

What I did not see tonight, BTW, was people giving up - nobody stopped trying. They just were not good enough.

I remember the playoffs in 2015 - some of those guys gave up & were gone within days.
I appreciate the optimism.

I’m just looking in totality at a lot of strange decisions and it feels like the only way to wrap my head around it is to say “but it’s Bob Bradley, he’s done this before”

Hoping it succeeds of course but having some doubts.

FootBallAZ
07-16-2022, 09:30 PM
Get the strong feeling the Impact are going to kill us early. If we play that high line, there is no speed back there today for recovery.


Who would have thought that no DPs, no Osorio, and a horrendous back line would lead to this ? Simply shocking....:facepalm:



Uh management could have done better not casting away useful players instead of playing short handed


Everyone is upset that tfc has 1point in the last 4 games.
1 clean sheet in two seasons lol

Could have managed the in and out of players much better


Bob is not.impressive at all.i missed second half but he didn't make a sub until 1m left ?

Lol bring back Perez lol

James17930
07-16-2022, 09:39 PM
I'm losing faith that the guy is anything more than an arch motivator. He helps players believe in themselves, but this team needs discipline, shape, cohesion. I see none of that.

Or - and this is maybe just wishful thinking - he's trying to instill a tactical plan and shape, but the kids just can't handle it. Like, they can't follow it.

Then throw in all the bad passes, and the poor distribution from Bono, and nothing works.

DinamoTFC
07-16-2022, 09:39 PM
Another loss.

Hope this is the end of a terrible chapter and the start of a new one.

God, supporting this team is frustrating.

This team is either really good or complete horse shit. No in between.

We could have easily been in the playoff race until the DPs arrived but no we had to go gut the team to bare fuckin bones instead of doing it now in the summer window.

stevep
07-16-2022, 09:51 PM
This team is either really good or complete horse shit. No in between.

We could have easily been in the playoff race until the DPs arrived but no we had to go gut the team to bare fuckin bones instead of doing it now in the summer window.

yes. It’s a slight variation of the 2018 script
the best team in the history of the mls does not make the playoffs the next year
give me a break, how is that possible

reggie
07-16-2022, 09:51 PM
so the last 3 hires by rolodex bill took approx 10 min thats some due diligence by the argo president

NK Toronto
07-16-2022, 10:11 PM
Petrasso cannot handle Johnston. He has been on an island against the guy all game.

Johnston is a starter in Qatar in November. Its not fair to the kid.

Except that Johnston is less than 2 years older than Petrasso. The difference is Johnston has quality

OgtheDim
07-16-2022, 10:17 PM
I'm trying to figure out beyond Lawrence & Auro, who seem to have been atittude outs (and nobody has denied Lawrence bagged some practices last year),

who people would have kept from last year's team?

Seriously, if your idea is "don't gut it", tell us what you would have kept.

Dwyer?

Mullins?

Endoh?



They tried to keep Poz & Poz doesn't play BB's style of game. (it remains to be seen if Poz plays Neville's game either, BTW - he's been a recessed box to box tonight)


Delgado was going to leave - he wanted no part of Canada anymore.


So...who do people think we should have kept?

stevep
07-16-2022, 10:26 PM
Bob Bradley and Chris Armas are the same manager. Prove me wrong #embarrassing

yes, very good. How did you figure that out?

DinamoTFC
07-16-2022, 10:31 PM
Who says Auro has attitude issues and wanted out? We are paying his wages and could use him over Kosi.

Who says Lawrence was missing practices and wanted out? He was on fairly reasonable wages and we got no return on him. Could have traded him for something by now. He also looked like a decent LCB in his limited time.

Why let Poz go before you have a replacement? His contract is expiring end of season, summer window is still open for a while. I don't believe he couldn't play with Insigne and Bernardeschi. So if you let him go without getting a third DP this window then it was a waste to trade him for peanuts (to be seen).

Who says Delgado didn't want to be in Canada anymore? And no I don't think we got enough for him in return.

Everyone has attitude issues all of a sudden and want out and no official articles? I don't buy it.

Don't need Mullins, Dwyer and Zavaleta. All we need is a LB and RB to keep us closer in the race.

NK Toronto
07-16-2022, 10:34 PM
I'm trying to figure out beyond Lawrence & Auro, who seem to have been atittude outs (and nobody has denied Lawrence bagged some practices last year),

who people would have kept from last year's team?

Seriously, if your idea is "don't gut it", tell us what you would have kept.

Dwyer?

Mullins?

Endoh?



They tried to keep Poz & Poz doesn't play BB's style of game. (it remains to be seen if Poz plays Neville's game either, BTW - he's been a recessed box to box tonight)


Delgado was going to leave - he wanted no part of Canada anymore.


So...who do people think we should have kept?

Having Auro, Lawrence and Delgado on the team could have made enough of a difference to keep the team in playoff contention until the summer transfer window. Wasn't Delgado under contract? They could and should have kept all three. They then could have moved them after the season. BB gambled that the kids were ready and they clearly weren't. The result is another lost season. Not only that, you now have wasted a half season of your 2 new DP'S playing nothing but glorified friendlies.

DinamoTFC
07-16-2022, 10:39 PM
Having Auro, Lawrence and Delgado on the team could have made enough of a difference to keep the team in playoff contention until the summer transfer window. Wasn't Delgado under contract? They could and should have kept all three. They then could have moved them after the season. BB gambled that the kids were ready and they clearly weren't. The result is another lost season.
That's exactly my point. Simple as that

Gringo Starr
07-16-2022, 11:20 PM
Guess the summer of Perruzza is canceled.

Not Italian enough I guess

stevep
07-16-2022, 11:21 PM
oh so now everyone is mad because they have finally figured out that this team is shit and is not going to make the playoffs
i told everyone here 3-4 months ago that all these young guys were garbage and everyone got mad at me
well it turns out i was correct, now everyone knows i was correct that all these young players are garbage and didn't belong on
the pitch in mls
have fun watching exciting but meaningless games the rest of the season
the yutes this the yutes that,

Mr. Inbetween
07-16-2022, 11:29 PM
oh so now everyone is mad because they have finally figured out that this team is shit and is not going to make the playoffs
i told everyone here 3-4 months ago that all these young guys were garbage and everyone got mad at me
well it turns out i was correct, now everyone knows i was correct that all these young players are garbage and didn't belong on
the pitch in mls
have fun watching exciting but meaningless games the rest of the season
the yutes this the yutes that, what a bunch of fucking idiots some people are

Dude, com'on you can still be annoying by just saying I told you so or y'all were wrong see.
Just no need to call out members of the community as f'n idiots.
You do make fair points with some of your posts.
I believe your better than this.

stevep
07-16-2022, 11:52 PM
Dude, com'on you can still be annoying by just saying I told you so or y'all were wrong see.
Just no need to call out members of the community as f'n idiots.
You do make fair points with some of your posts.
I believe your better than this.

deleted that last line
another thing. how is it possible a coach can be this incompetent? its almost if he is deliberately trying to not win.
how can anybody defend him when he didnt put on any subs till the 90th minute
complete incompetence,

this is the same guy that led lafc to supporters shield in just second year in the league
very suspicious

jloome
07-17-2022, 12:05 AM
deleted that last line
another thing. how is it possible a coach can be this incompetent? its almost if he is deliberately trying to not win.
this is the same guy that led lafc to supporters shield in just second year in the league
very suspicious

He's had some odd ups and downs. His Chivas team was a tire fire, but the U.S. nats and Egyptian nats were good under him. He almost got a team surprisingly promoted in France and was successful in Norway. It's hard to really rate the Chicago title as it was the league's earliest days, when it was basically the same quality as USL is now.

Maybe he depends on having a strong lineup most of the time relative to the competition, so that tactical flexibility and team cohesion are less important to drill into them.

It's hard to say.

I have a hard time seeing how we were so dead on in the Montreal cup game but so listless, spread apart and indecisive in this one.

I also worry that having the captain as the manager's son means the locker room never feels safe from "the boss" in terms of discussion. I wonder if it hurts our cohesiveness.

I do wonder why he doesn't rate Shaff. I get that he's a one dimensional speed winger, but at least he puts dangerous balls into the box... which basically no one else is doing. Plus, having a guy stay wide and go to the touchline occasionally keeps an opposing defence honest and can pull them out of position.

I think the fact that he's moved Kerr and Nelson between central midfield roles and forward wing positions suggests he's still very much figuring out where the kids should play.

Mr. Inbetween
07-17-2022, 01:35 AM
...how is it possible a coach can be this incompetent? its almost if he is deliberately trying to not win... he didn't put on any subs till the 90th minute...
complete incompetence...

I can't say that for moments these thoughts haven't crossed my mind as well.
Dare I say with a little more frequency recently. Particularly in regards to the previous game.
I really do not understand what's going on other then the plethora of great suppositions posited by so many of the community.
I was surprised, even pleased by the performance tonight all considering.
I expected a slaughter to be honest.
I recognize the necessity of the youth first step in Bob's encompassing strategy.
The need for player, culture, play and results transformation throughout TFC's organization; all teams.
A half season experiment should be more than enough for any first-team assessment task given his experience.
While also working to address all permeation and redundancies concerning roster issues.
I mean he was able to pass judgement on Kemar without so much as even meeting or speaking with him.
Ayo's second goal seemed onside. Haven't seen footage yet to the contrary.
The goal conceded wasn't terrible; bit of bad luck?
Although one may argue Bono either hesitated or miss-stepped; poor judgement again?
If a few other unavailable and / or the new players were on the pitch, maybe a different outcome?

Hala Hrvatska
07-17-2022, 05:49 AM
Having Auro, Lawrence and Delgado on the team could have made enough of a difference to keep the team in playoff contention until the summer transfer window. Wasn't Delgado under contract? They could and should have kept all three. They then could have moved them after the season. BB gambled that the kids were ready and they clearly weren't. The result is another lost season. Not only that, you now have wasted a half season of your 2 new DP'S playing nothing but glorified friendlies.

Fully agreed brother.

Manning and BB have to go. Last night was embarrasing again. We were pinned in our end most of the game bunkering up against some hacks scared shi.tless to try and come out of our own end. And we have the highest payroll in the league. And about to miss the playoffs for the third time out of 5.

We even had a man up for 12 minutes and Montreal rang one off the bar then.

Bb has to go. The outide full backs are a dead hole. And that's ALL on Bb making the idiotic and suicidal decision to dump Lawrence and Auro and replace them with tfc 2 kids who mever played the position before.

But don't doubt for a second next home game they'll be shilling season tickets (at a nice bump) for next year.

Hala Hrvatska
07-17-2022, 05:55 AM
Who says Auro has attitude issues and wanted out? We are paying his wages and could use him over Kosi.

Who says Lawrence was missing practices and wanted out? He was on fairly reasonable wages and we got no return on him. Could have traded him for something by now. He also looked like a decent LCB in his limited time.

Why let Poz go before you have a replacement? His contract is expiring end of season, summer window is still open for a while. I don't believe he couldn't play with Insigne and Bernardeschi. So if you let him go without getting a third DP this window then it was a waste to trade him for peanuts (to be seen).

Who says Delgado didn't want to be in Canada anymore? And no I don't think we got enough for him in return.

Everyone has attitude issues all of a sudden and want out and no official articles? I don't buy it.

Don't need Mullins, Dwyer and Zavaleta. All we need is a LB and RB to keep us closer in the race.

Exactly brother..

The "spin" from bb's camp was Auro had "attitude" issues. yet not once under Vanney, Armas and Perez was their ANY evidence of "attitude". More like mikey didn't like him and dear old dad shipped him out.

The Lawrence stories are more BB made up bs. If this was in fact not fake news, he could be fined, etc, and told must show up. I highly doubt he just decided to skip training and became this prima done. FFs, he is a journey man player from the concaf with limited options so I doubt he was unprossional and also he is playing this year without any issues....surprise surprise. And don't forget, it was Manning/Curtis/Armas that "vetted" him from their time at RBulls...surely he was a model team player then before they brought him over and did their due dilegence.

It is complete suicide that the clueless bb though he could go the season without real full backs. Its amatuer hour at the back. And out streak of non clean sheets in league games is now at 29 (fact for those who say my posts lack "facts"). Oh yeah, another fact, that's 50 of 51 league games now we have given up at least a goal. Simplly a horrendous defensive record. But yeah, lets not sign defenders and continue with 34/35 year old legs gone Mikey bradley as our DM...unbelivable.

Hala Hrvatska
07-17-2022, 06:01 AM
oh so now everyone is mad because they have finally figured out that this team is shit and is not going to make the playoffs
i told everyone here 3-4 months ago that all these young guys were garbage and everyone got mad at me
well it turns out i was correct, now everyone knows i was correct that all these young players are garbage and didn't belong on
the pitch in mls
have fun watching exciting but meaningless games the rest of the season
the yutes this the yutes that,


Dude, you tell it like it is and are 100% right. Don't be worried if anyone is "mad" at you. Even if they have lengthy posts calling you out and pretending to put you on "ignore"...they don't and won't. Believe me. lol

We need better than this. The product on the field is sad to watch.

I hope last night was hitting rock bottom. It can't possibly get any worse now (I pray) with the Italians coming.

OgtheDim
07-17-2022, 07:44 AM
One of the things that bugged me about the performance was we couldn't get the ball out of our own end when we had a free kick in our box, let alone get possession in their end after said free kicks.

This is a testament to the basic passing capability of that group last night.

That aspect of our game was the worst I have ever seen by a TFC team.

They pressed EVERY player effectively.

The few times we were able to work through their press, we actually created threats (we did have shots).

To me, the days of everything going through one player, be it Bradley or Poz.... this has to stop.

This has been a defining part of our team since Bradley came.

"We do everything we can to give (Bradley, Seba, Vasquez, Poz, Soteldo) the ball because we know they can do magic with it."

It's very predictable when you only have 1 person doing this & you can set up a defence to stop this through choking off the progressive outlets. That forces those chance creators to dribble and pause and then momentum is lost. MLS goals are usually scored through progressive ball movement. Stop that & you are half way to a win (this has a lot to do with our defence being so bad as well)

Starting next Saturday, it's Insigne.

I'm not sure he fixes this on his own without Bernie or Oso.

PizzaEatingYeti
07-17-2022, 08:02 AM
This team is either really good or complete horse shit. No in between.

That's so and so, maybe it can be lived with...
But the big problem is that since TFC exists, only about 30% of time were they really good and 70% were complete horse shit.
And that is totally inacceptable for a team with the deep pockets and big market like TFC.


We could have easily been in the playoff race until the DPs arrived but no we had to go gut the team to bare fuckin bones instead of doing it now in the summer window.

Yes, this was totally criminal tactique from BB and Manning, and I suppose the responsability lies here at least 80% with BB, Manning being probably a yesman.
I wont speculate in depth on how many points we would have if would kept Auro, Lawrence (+ maybe Delgado too) and at least for 1-2 more games Poz, but the minimum looks like 6 points... and we would be very close to playoffs.

Of course the jury is still out big time on BB, but until now he's proofing to be exagerately inflexible on everything he puts in his mind or he does.

stevep
07-17-2022, 08:27 AM
That's so and so, maybe it can be lived with...
But the big problem is that since TFC exists, only about 30% of time were they really good and 70% were complete horse shit.
And that is totally inacceptable for a team with the deep pockets and big market like TFC.




Yes, this was totally criminal tactique from BB and Manning, and I suppose the responsability lies here at least 80% with BB, Manning being probably a yesman.
I wont speculate in depth on how many points we would have if would kept Auro, Lawrence and at least for 1-2 more games Poz, but the minimum looks like 6 points... and we would be very close to playoffs.

Of course the jury is still out big time on BB, but until now he's proofing to be exagerately inflexible on everything he puts in his mind or he does.

With the new players coming how good would this team be with kemar auro and marky replacing mb
this level of incompetence is not possible

Ultra & Proud
07-17-2022, 09:47 AM
I'm trying to figure out beyond Lawrence & Auro, who seem to have been atittude outs (and nobody has denied Lawrence bagged some practices last year),

who people would have kept from last year's team?

Seriously, if your idea is "don't gut it", tell us what you would have kept.

Dwyer?

Mullins?

Endoh?



They tried to keep Poz & Poz doesn't play BB's style of game. (it remains to be seen if Poz plays Neville's game either, BTW - he's been a recessed box to box tonight)


Delgado was going to leave - he wanted no part of Canada anymore.


So...who do people think we should have kept?

People forget how bad Lawrence was last season. He was awful at FB and about current Mavinga level at CB. As for Auro, all the guys saying he was a piece of trash for the couple years he was here are the ones saying we should never have let him go.

None of Dwyer, Mullins, or Endoh were worth holding on to.

Poz didn't fit but reading through the lines on his interview for Inter Miami, he wanted to go there and only there so either now or at the end of the season he was gone. By him only wanting to go there for his new girlfriend, we unfortunately got burned on the $$$ coming back. As a DP he had a movement clause so we had no leverage. Plus that all adds up to his head not being in it at TFC.

Same for Delgado. He wanted to go home.

ensco
07-17-2022, 12:15 PM
I also worry that having the captain as the manager's son means the locker room never feels safe from "the boss" in terms of discussion. I wonder if it hurts our cohesiveness.

I had a rant about this months ago. I don’t think there is a more poisonous setup in all of sports.

MB has to go upstairs at the end of this year.

Mr. Inbetween
07-17-2022, 12:57 PM
I had a rant about this months ago. I don’t think there is a more poisonous setup in all of sports.

MB has to go upstairs at the end of this year.

You are right; hopefully he does so.
However, I think it's still one more year.
The pull of everything going on and what may happen may be too great.
The opportunity to play with who are arriving in a more meaningful way.
The desire to part on a better note.
The chance at Leagues Cup and maybe CCL?

jloome
07-17-2022, 02:03 PM
You are right; hopefully he does so.
However, I think it's still one more year.
The pull of everything going on and what may happen may be too great.
The opportunity to play with who are arriving in a more meaningful way.
The desire to part on a better note.
The chance at Leagues Cup and maybe CCL?

Hopefully the influence of the Italians will mitigate it somewhat.

Ensco, if Manning hasn’t already started smoothing a path to his next move, he’d do well to keep a one-on-one relationship with the Italians. They’re too good and being paid too much to get railroaded into following bad ideas. If the Bradley scenario isn’t working, I can’t imagine they’ll jut grin and bear it.

MikeForbes
07-17-2022, 02:21 PM
https://twitter.com/twosoccerca/status/1548475916019322880?s=20&t=GQo6NIgOpjKaPPjFc-NcLQ

Mr. Inbetween
07-17-2022, 02:56 PM
Hopefully the influence of the Italians will mitigate it somewhat.

Ensco, if Manning hasn’t already started smoothing a path to his next move, he’d do well to keep a one-on-one relationship with the Italians. They’re too good and being paid too much to get railroaded into following bad ideas. If the Bradley scenario isn’t working, I can’t imagine they’ll jut grin and bear it.

Coach (and / or President) killers like Swiderski and Fuchs at Charlotte FC?

ensco
07-17-2022, 05:59 PM
Hopefully the influence of the Italians will mitigate it somewhat.

Ensco, if Manning hasn’t already started smoothing a path to his next move, he’d do well to keep a one-on-one relationship with the Italians. They’re too good and being paid too much to get railroaded into following bad ideas. If the Bradley scenario isn’t working, I can’t imagine they’ll jut grin and bear it.

When the Italians start having problems, it will be the alltime clusterf#$%%. Manning, whether he is at TFC or not, will be reading about it in the papers, same as the rest of us.

DavemTFC
07-18-2022, 07:24 AM
Listless performance. Astonishing the difference between us and a team that actually has an idea of what they're going to do with the ball and knows where and what their roles are

FootBallAZ
07-18-2022, 09:06 AM
sad part is montreal are one of the worse for goals against

had 4 shots on target on 7 attempts vs their 19 attempts

i dont want to hear about reinforcements are on their way- could you imagine if Bill manning didn't have money to burn.

I would def want to work for him, i could end up being paid for years not even earning my pay. LOL