MLS Match Day 20 - TFC @ Chicago Wed July 13 8:08pm - What's Our Mission

[OgtheDim]

Do We Know


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugHEbz4e63U


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Have at It People

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Chicago... yet another shitty team meeting TFC.

Yet another must win game for the Reds, to have any kind of hope for playoffs this season
(The last hope? For how many more matches TFC needs to shit the bed, so we get to the really "last hope match", even mathematically?).

...But looking at the history of TFC's last 3 matches, and also at TFC's crap evolution as "visitors" this season (3 points from 24 possible, in other words 0.375 PPG), we should be very happy with a draw... sadly.

[Yuushalinsky]

We don't know. Not at all. TFC needs to figure out who the weak links are.

And if they don't figure out it's Kosi and Jayden, we might be in for a rough one.

[Kamp Berg]

We don't know. Not at all. TFC needs to figure out who the weak links are.

And if they don't figure out it's Kosi and Jayden, we might be in for a rough one.

I’m not sure having Kosi repeatedly place out of position is helping him. Seems like his confidence has taken a knock. Not sure what to say about Nelson 🤦🏼
Some pretty brutal blood letting going on by BB this year. Tossed in the deep end, sink or swim. Harsh but probably way overdue.

[MikeForbes]

https://twitter.com/MichaelSingh94/status/1546536384332177410?s=20&t=ILhsIEfUArl2iq0Zi6uclQ

[OgtheDim]

Well can't blame this one on the TFC staff for once...

[ag futbol]

I hope we beat them if for no other reason than to shut up the USMNT fans for over-hyping Slonina.

You don’t get to call him the best young keeper in the world just cause he starts for a below average MLS team.

[jloome]

I hope we beat them if for no other reason than to shut up the USMNT fans for over-hyping Slonina.

You don’t get to call him the best young keeper in the world just cause he starts for a below average MLS team.

Best, I don’t know. Top academies in Europe probably have a few more like him.

But he’s certainly in the discussion. He’s 17 and has kept them in multiple games. (He still makes boneheaded mistakes and reacts late in some situations, but he’s well ahead of Thomas Hasal at Vancouver, and he’s younger.)

Slonina will end up in a top league soon.

[los sonadores]

Best, I don’t know. Top academies in Europe probably have a few more like him.

But he’s certainly in the discussion. He’s 17 and has kept them in multiple games. (He still makes boneheaded mistakes and reacts late in some situations, but he’s well ahead of Thomas Hasal at Vancouver, and he’s younger.)

Slonina will end up in a top league soon.

Supposedly off to Chelsea for roundabout 10 million.

[OgtheDim]

FWIW

https://twitter.com/SportsAviation/status/1547006902885916673

[PizzaEatingYeti]

FWIW

https://twitter.com/SportsAviation/status/1547006902885916673

Big problem, you forgot something extremely important! :facepalm:

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What about your dog's reaction?

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[OgtheDim]

https://twitter.com/OgtheDim/status/1441729787844710404

[PizzaEatingYeti]

https://twitter.com/OgtheDim/status/1441729787844710404

Thanks!
But that means unfortunately that a TFC win has extremely slim chances.
So... In Draw We Trust!

[PizzaEatingYeti]

On another note... I've just seen that a sports bettor (https://forum.bettingadvice.com/forum/promotion/tips-websites/2795784-triple-dips-v2?p=2795857#post2795857) who has a lot more hit matches than misses (I follow him every once in a while) has Toronto +1.5 (1.51) - European odds.
Too bad that it gives hope just for not losing with more than 1 goal.

[613reppingTFC]

I hope your sports guy is right and we take the win as we sure do need it. When I search for the game listing just through google it has Chicago with a 58% chance to win and TFC only 19%.
Went back to check the stats from the last game we played against them and even though we got the win, they had 33 shot attempts, 9 on target & 63% possession and that was while we were at home. I really hope things go our way and it doesn't end up like that as I don't think we could sustain that kind of pressure without conceding

[stevep]

On another note... I've just seen that a sports bettor (https://forum.bettingadvice.com/forum/promotion/tips-websites/2795784-triple-dips-v2?p=2795857#post2795857) who has a lot more hit matches than misses (I follow him every once in a while) has Toronto +1.5 (1.51) - European odds.
Too bad that it gives hope just for not losing with more than 1 goal.
If anyone here is convinced tfc is not going to win tonight here’s a betting strategy you can employ
Bet in the following ratio $2.70 for Chicago, $1.00 for a tie
if tfc does not win you make $0.75
If tfc wins you lose $3.70

[Gringo Starr]

Darn it OG I have now been listening to the pumpkins for two days and am looking at buying tickets for their show in october-you are going to cost me a small fortune

[PizzaEatingYeti]

I hope your sports guy is right and we take the win as we sure do need it. ...

That bet given is winner even if TFC is losing with 1 goal difference, and is a loser if Chicago is winning with at least 2 goals difference.
So he does not care about a TFC win.

[MikeForbes]

Kaye starts. Criscito on the bench as the slow drip continues for us thirsty fans.

https://twitter.com/TorontoFC/status/1547357676765679617?s=20&t=sF4o23JFeN48SHkgE63_mg

[MikeForbes]

Also, if anyone has one of those perfectly legal links to this game, my TSN direct has been messing up for the past 24 hours and I cannot seem to resolve it. If you have one, hit me up here or on Twitter @MikeForbes101... And if you aren't following me, hit me up.

[Yuushalinsky]

I got a baaaaaad feeling about this.

[ag futbol]

Kaye in the 11! Something to look forward to at least

[Gringo Starr]

This will be a win, I can feel it.

[Smokecell]

That back line…

[rydermike]

TSN forgot about Criscito on their roster moves

[jloome]

TSN forgot about Criscito on their roster moves
Apparently their fans forgot there's a game.

[rydermike]

We need a CB

[ag futbol]

Welp, this is going as expected.

O’Neill with a really dumb pass and Mavinga with a lack of awareness about getting rid of it

[TheGoodson]

Mavigna should never see the pitch again… jfc what was that.

[portu]

Fucking embarrassing. Some of you are okay with this level from the club?

[Bushmancan]

Oh well, we are chasing another one.

[noxx98]

We were actually looking good for four minutes... mistakes from both our CBs there.

[Ultra & Proud]

Mavinga needs a solid handshake and well wishes on his way out the door and it has to happen soon

[Kamp Berg]

Wow, so bad.

[OgtheDim]

We need a CB



Just such bad defence.

[NK Toronto]

Once again Mavinga. He shouldn't be starting anymore.

[MikeForbes]

Can't watch thanks to TSN, but I assume things are already kind of shitty.

[gracos]

its shocking that we havent found any improvements for starting defenders, if we cannot rely fully on Criscito, we are going to suffer

[Kamp Berg]

The back four are almost non-existent.

[Kamp Berg]

Can't watch thanks to TSN, but I assume things are already kind of shitty.

I can only watch it on my cellphone and laptop right now.

[notthesun]

Don't know why everyone is killing Mavinga here when O'Neill was at fault for that. That was a suicide pass when he could've just played it forward to Osorio.

[NK Toronto]

I often wonder why our defenders continue to play so high up the field. Maybe we should be a counter attacking team.

[portu]

Picking away at backline performances is useless none of them should be starting.

[noxx98]

Can't watch thanks to TSN, but I assume things are already kind of shitty.
DMed you a stream on Twitter

[Ultra & Proud]

Don't know why everyone is killing Mavinga here when O'Neill was at fault for that. That was a suicide pass when he could've just played it forward to Osorio.

It was a poorly thought out pass but Mavinga didn't recognize it and clear the danger. He's had a couple other close ones already too.

[NK Toronto]

Apparently their fans forgot there's a game.

No they didn't. All 400 of them are there.

[noxx98]

That should be a card on Shaqiri

[ag futbol]

This ref sucks. Elbow to the head is at least a yellow you dolt

[SoccMan2]

So Insigne and whoever else they sign will be playing in glorified exhibition games the rest of the season by the time these idiots play. What a joke !

[noxx98]

Mavinga is lost out there... oh no

[portu]

Chicago is last place in the east.

[ag futbol]

Dare I say it… we are being tactically dismantled. Adjust the god damn formation

[Ultra & Proud]

Is Mavinga really better than MacNaughton?

[mowe]

This is pathetic.

[notthesun]

Okay that one is on Mavinga, roast away lol

[SoccMan2]

Insigne is coming don’t worry guys ��������!

[OgtheDim]

Wow...that was sheer power but the sort of goal 2017-2020 Mavinga would have stopped.

[NK Toronto]

Fucking embarrassing. Some of you are okay with this level from the club?

None of us are, but we love the sport and the team so we soldier on with the hope that better times are coming.

[Kamp Berg]

Is Mavinga really better than MacNaughton?

They are all pretty useless out there.

[stevep]

If anyone here is convinced tfc is not going to win tonight here’s a betting strategy you can employ
Bet in the following ratio $2.70 for Chicago, $1.00 for a tie
if tfc does not win you make $0.75
If tfc wins you lose $3.70
Currently 97% this bet will work out

[rocktml]

This team is god awful! Kerr, Thompson nelsen and petrasso all way in over there head no creativity no nothing! Don’t care if they’re Canadian get them the fuck off

[OgtheDim]

This reminds me of the night Hagglund played right back...

[Smokecell]

Can’t recall if Mavinga has term left, but if he does then surely he has got to be the off season buyout.

Love the guy but he’s done.

[portu]

We now have the worst goals against in the league.

[Initial B]

If this doesn't reinforce to Manning and Bradley that they need a stud CB *NOW*, then I don't have much hope for the rest of this season.

[SoccMan2]

Toronto has to supposedly pro soccer teams one in MLS and one in CPL and both are garbage!

[Ultra & Proud]

Can’t recall if Mavinga has term left, but if he does then surely he has got to be the off season buyout.

Love the guy but he’s done.

No this is the end.

[DinamoTFC]

Lmaooooooo @Mavinga.
Can't wait for Hala Hrvatska's post because right now he's damn right.

[ag futbol]

Can’t Bob coach / organize to the actual ability of his team rather than myopicly stick to one formation?

We shouldn’t be playing a high line and committing so many players forward

[DinamoTFC]

Is Mavinga really better than MacNaughton?

No, MacNaughton is definitely better. I don't remember what he did to cement his status to the bench in comparison to Mavinga.

[portu]

18 year old, Duran has tripled his goal tally for the year in the first 15 minutes.

[OgtheDim]

None of us are, but we love the sport and the team so we soldier on with the hope that better times are coming.


Once we went through 2007-2013, it all just seems less a time to be a :taz: then to :drinking:

[Yuushalinsky]

am I surprised

no

[Ultra & Proud]

No, MacNaughton is definitely better. I don't remember what he did to cement his status to the bench in comparison to Mavinga.
Me neither but to me he looked better than Mavinga & O'Neil. He isn't the answer by any means but he is better than this.

[jloome]

Can’t Bob coach / organize to the actual ability of his team rather than myopicly stick to one formation?

We shouldn’t be playing a high line and committing so many players forward

He's a one system guy. If they do it properly a high press shouldn't cough up the ball so easily.

But your're right to wonder why even the veterans don't seem to
progress into it.

[Smokecell]

Look where O’Neil is on that second goal too…holy shit

[Oldtimer]

Duran is so talented for Chicago. So fast and clinical finishing.

I wonder how Chicago managed to find the Columbian. Oh wait, he was listed in the Guardian (Oct 2020) as one of the 60 best talents in world football.

[DinamoTFC]

18 year old, Duran has tripled his goal tally for the year in the first 15 minutes.

I've also noticed at least 4 or 5 players that scored their first MLS goal against us this season.

I know Bob is a better coach than this but my god is he stubborn using the same players and expecting better results.

[Yuushalinsky]

I've also noticed at least 4 or 5 players that scored their first MLS goal against us this season.

I know Bob is a better coach than this but my god is he stubborn using the same players and expecting better results.

my real question is which ones would we play instead

[OgtheDim]

...I know Bob is a better coach than this but my god is he stubborn using the same players and expecting better results.

Given our roster, the only real changes for this game would be Bono & McNaughton & Shaff...

[ag futbol]

Here is comes guys, row z

[MikeForbes]

We are getting absolutely steamrolled by (for my money) the worst team in MLS.

[OgtheDim]

Can we make Bradley messing up on free kicks into a drinking game?

[leedsandTFC]

only tfc can spend so much on DPs yet have none available for the most important week of the season.

close to write off the season time.

[DinamoTFC]

Me neither but to me he looked better than Mavinga & O'Neil. He isn't the answer by any means but he is better than this.

He is decent for an MLS rookie in my opinion. Potential to improve.

[portu]

Coach’s son taking free kicks for TFC is the most Ontario soccer thing

[Yuushalinsky]

We are getting absolutely steamrolled by (for my money) the worst team in MLS.

we have 0 dps and yet I'm still shocked at how bad the backline is

[noxx98]

Can we make Bradley messing up on free kicks into a drinking game?
This score line is making me drink enough...

[Ultra & Proud]

That might be the best development of the 1st half for us.

[Kamp Berg]

I've also noticed at least 4 or 5 players that scored their first MLS goal against us this season.

I know Bob is a better coach than this but my god is he stubborn using the same players and expecting better results.

It’s sink or swim, and there’s a lot of sinking going on.

[MikeForbes]

Also, Kaye has not exactly looked any better than Marky Delgado on his worst day. Maybe he is pressing, or still injured. But, this isn't a stellar 30 minutes.

[jloome]

We're playing too narrow defensively. They're just stretching us and running us down.

[Smokecell]

Mavinga clearly wanted out. The way BB looked at the trainer sarcastically and not Mavinga says it all.

[DinamoTFC]

my real question is which ones would we play instead

MacNaughton instead of Mavinga.
Give Shaffelburg another chance instead of Nelson in LW.
Don't get rid of Lawrence and Auro before you get replacements.
Try giving Bradley a break one game and try Nelson or Kerr in middle 3.

[portu]

Mavinga clearly wanted out. The way BB looked at the trainer sarcastically and not Mavinga says it all.

I felt the same way about this.

[jloome]

And our line is so high even when the play is compacted that we're possibly fucked every time we cough up the ball.

this is the third game in a row where I feel like he's set them up wrong.

[khso11]

Can’t Bob coach / organize to the actual ability of his team rather than myopicly stick to one formation?

We shouldn’t be playing a high line and committing so many players forward

We have the players to play 5-3-2/5-4-1 until reinforcements arrive, no let’s be stubborn and keep playing 4-3-3 so the “kids” can “develop”……but at what cost?

[OgtheDim]

I don't mind if McNaughton & O'Neill together give up a few goals in this game...Mavinga isn't worth the TAM right now.

[Ultra & Proud]

We have the players to play 5-3-2/5-4-1 until reinforcements arrive, no let’s be stubborn and keep playing 4-3-3 so the “kids” can “develop”……but at what cost?

Considering the season is over, no cost. This season is like a big, long preseason.

[MikeForbes]

I legit want to be wrong, but Bob Bradley has left a lot to be desired as a coach. He deserves another window or two, but I am very upset.

[Yuushalinsky]

holy shit I'm so tired of Nelson

[spe18]

And since Mavinga comes off, the other 2 CBs get yellow cards lol!!!!!

[Kamp Berg]

Considering the season is over, no cost. This season is like a big, long preseason.

And there aren’t many players making a good case for themselves.

[jloome]

We have the players to play 5-3-2/5-4-1 until reinforcements arrive, no let’s be stubborn and keep playing 4-3-3 so the “kids” can “develop”……but at what cost?
He's written this season off as learning time, it feels like. Same system, same high line, same lack of movement or support for one another.

This isn't just on the players. He's not putting them
in a good position to win.

[Ultra & Proud]

And since Mavinga comes off, the other 2 CBs get yellow cards lol!!!!!

Seemed like O'Neil wanted to let Duran know he was there.

[MikeForbes]

I'm not all about bringing in a DP cornerback (unless Xaxier Howard wants to switch sports), but my god, bring in anyone who knows anything about defending. Bring back Eriq Zavaleta!

[portu]

I like Bob. I think he has the pedigree and experience to deserve the benefit of the doubt and have seen glimpses of crazy good play lately. The players are pure shit, until that changes we’ll have no idea if Bob is the guy or not.

[OgtheDim]

holy shit I'm so tired of Nelson



He should not be on the pitch once Insigne plays.

[Ultra & Proud]

I'm not all about bringing in a DP cornerback, but my god, bring in anyone who knows anything about defending. Bring back Eriq Zavaleta!

Let's not go crazy now.

[DinamoTFC]

Mavinga clearly wanted out. The way BB looked at the trainer sarcastically and not Mavinga says it all.
He's currently making more money then he could ever dream of. It doesn't make sense.

[Ultra & Proud]

He's currently making more money then he could ever dream of. It doesn't make sense.

Embarrassed on the two goals and really Duran could have 5 already just by playing off Mavinga.

And Mavinga knew it.

[Ultra & Proud]

I'll say this much; of all the things O'Neil can't do, passing to his own teammates is very high on that list.

[MikeForbes]

Let's not go crazy now.

I don't know. A back three of Zavs, Moor and Hagglund could likely do better.

[jloome]

The most shameful part of this is that Chicago is so
narrow that your basic quick switch of field would pull them
all over the place.

Where are we mentally that there's so little supporting movement?

[Ultra & Proud]

I don't know. A back three of Zavs, Moor and Hagglund could likely do better.

Yeah but that's 2017. If you put Zavaleta in for Mavinga he probably already would have gotten his 2 yellows in 5 minutes.

[Oldtimer]

MAK looking good at least. It will be better when he's surrounded by quality.

[Ultra & Proud]

The most shameful part of this is that Chicago is so
narrow that your basic quick switch of field would pull them
all over the place.

Where are we mentally that there's so little supporting movement?

We're where our kids are still so overwhelmed they have no idea what to do or where to go and they're basically afraid to do anything so they just stand there and wait for someone else to do something.

On Saturday I swear Kosi was happy when the rest of the team overlooked him while we set up our pointless perimeter of useless back & side passes.

[OgtheDim]

Kaye is pretty good...needs somebody to pass the ball to wide.

[DavemTFC]

That was pathetic. Worst half of the year. No way us Mavinga here in 2023

[Yuushalinsky]

Is JMR still injured? He HAS to be better than whoever we've got at the wingback/wing position right now.

[khso11]

Considering the season is over, no cost. This season is like a big, long preseason.

Very frustrating, Manning kept saying we need to salvage points until reinforcements arrive in the summer so we will still have a chance to be in the playoffs. But we aren’t doing that, we are just throwing in players in wrong positions to play a system Bob wants…..that’s not salvaging points.



He's written this season off as learning time, it feels like. Same system, same high line, same lack of movement or support for one another.

This isn't just on the players. He's not putting them
in a good position to win.

EXACTLY! So this contradicts what Manning was saying throughout the season…..perhaps they just want to make sure they are still selling tickets while knowing this season has been a write off from the beginning.

[OgtheDim]

Here's hoping Kilbane & JDG give the team a spanking for that half.



AND...all we get is an information package that doesn't discuss the games.

[DinamoTFC]

My biggest beef Bob was gutting the team so early and not waiting to assess with his own eyes the "bad" players or at least getting some decent return for them.

He's basically wasted a season hoping his experiment could work and left a lot of fans pissed off paying good money for house league entertainment.

I just hope Bernardeschi isn't watching this game and saying to himself "damn MLS football is really poor I don't want to come here"

[Thomas]

What a pathetic performance. I already miss Poz big time. Mavinga has to go.

Come on guys. Let’s at least show something in the 2nd half.

[MikeForbes]

I do insist that if the number 8 had Delgado instead of Kaye on the back people would be completely ignoring the performance or scoffing at it. I don't think he has been awful, but no one on this team has been good through 45.

[portu]

I do insist that if the number 8 had Delgado instead of Kaye on the back people would be completely ignoring the performance or scoffing at it. I don't think he has been awful, but no one on this team has been good through 45.
Agreed. But in the long run I think we’ll see the benefit of Kaye on the pitch (off the pitch it’s going to hurt excessively).

[MikeForbes]

Nelson being left on is... brave.

[OgtheDim]

Well that was weird - JJ on the pitch to start the second half then before it starts, subbed off with the jersey on as he left.

[Yuushalinsky]

Well that was weird - JJ on the pitch to start the second half then before it starts, subbed off with the jersey on as he left.

oh please no

[MikeForbes]

Let's have a mid game discussion; If we were to sign a Belotti, who is leaving? Ayo or Jesus?

[Yuushalinsky]

Let's have a mid game discussion; If we were to sign a Belotti, who is leaving? Ayo or Jesus?
Ayo I think. BB may just want to clean house.

[rydermike]

I don't get why Pozuelo was traded right away if Bernadeschi wasnt ready. You're telling me the same deal wouldn't have been available a week later?

[Kamp Berg]

Let's have a mid game discussion; If we were to sign a Belotti, who is leaving? Ayo or Jesus?

Trade Ayo for a line leading CB.

[Smokecell]

Let's have a mid game discussion; If we were to sign a Belotti, who is leaving? Ayo or Jesus?

Do we not believe in depth?

[DinamoTFC]

Ayo I think. BB may just want to clean house.

He already did that. Maybe the "bad apples" were actually the better players holding the team together.

[MikeForbes]

Do we not believe in depth?

You can't go 3 deep for depth in MLS.

[jloome]

He already did that. Maybe the "bad apples" were actually the better players holding the team together.
Holding the team together !?!

We've barely qualified as a team for two seasons now.

[DinamoTFC]

Holding the team together !?!

We've barely qualified as a team for three seasons now.

It was hyperbole. But the performances haven't been as atrocious as this. And we're playing bottom of the table teams. We aren't even playing good teams yet.

Edit: You keep Lawrence and Auro this team is definitely way closer to the last playoff spot until reinforcements arrive. We got no cap relief or anything for them so we shot ourselves in the foot.

[Inklink]

As if watching a shitty team wasn't bad enough, we have to endure Caldwell's droning voice and garbage commentary for each and every minute of it.

[ag futbol]

Dare I say it, Thomson gets the ball too often on the right and Petrasso not enough on the left.

Petrasso can actually cross. Thomson is intentionally given space because other teams see his weakness

[Kamp Berg]

Kosi looks done.

[Kamp Berg]

Thank god for Criscito.

[MikeForbes]

Criscito and Shaff on. Nelson dropping into midfield worries me.

[MikeForbes]

Mimmo already superior to Petrasso.

[MikeForbes]

Still a smart foul.

[Kamp Berg]

Hard to tell if any of the kids are even good enough to serve as reliable backups.

[rydermike]

Maybe Kosi shouldnt wear shin pads that are the size for five year old kids

[DinamoTFC]

MacNaughton > Mavinga at fraction of the cost.

[rydermike]

What a shot by Criscito. Great save

[DinamoTFC]

Maybe Kosi shouldnt wear shin pads that are the size for five year old kids

I thought the exact same

[ag futbol]

You know, the quality of the “development” when you’re this bad is really questionable.

A certain level needs to be kept if anything is to be accomplished

[MikeForbes]

What a bang by Mimmo. That left side will kill people in 10 or so days.

[MikeForbes]

Shaqiri coming off the field having zero idea if his team is winning or not.

[Kamp Berg]

What a bang by Mimmo. That left side will kill people in 10 or so days.

Only need to fix the right side and the back then, lol.

[MikeForbes]

Is that Ayo's first touch?

[NK Toronto]

OG, may I suggest a song for your next match thread starter ... Free Fallin' by Tom Petty.

[MikeForbes]

Only need to fix the right side and the back then, lol.

If we sign Bernie, we'll only need a RB, two CBs, a CDM and two GKs...

[rydermike]

Only need to fix the right side and the back then, lol.
Offseason plan: Renovate BMO so the field is tilted on a 5-10 degree angle to the left side.

[jloome]

If we sign Bernie, we'll only need a RB, two CBs, a CDM and two GKs...
It's like they're busy hiring world champion powerboat drivers to helm the Titanic.

[DinamoTFC]

Akinola definitely got a pay raise based on hype and hope. Not on performances. He will improve with better players around him like in 2020

[portu]

Akinola definitely got a pay raise based on hype and hope. Not on performances. He will improve with better players around him like in 2020

He’s not a ‘ball to feet’ kind of striker. We’ll see what happens when he actually has service.

[jloome]

Also, hasn't this team ever heard of loans? There are a ton of good young developing players that bigger teams
would gladly loan out to give them
some time.

[DinamoTFC]

He’s not a ‘ball to feet’ kind of striker. We’ll see what happens when he actually has service.

I thought we were molding him into a mini Jozy based on his increasing size.

[MikeForbes]

It's like they're busy hiring world champion powerboat drivers to helm the Titanic.

This is the best analogy and the saddest analogy I have seen in TFC history. I am so sad with where we are currently.

[Kamp Berg]

If we sign Bernie, we'll only need a RB, two CBs, a CDM and two GKs...

And backups for LB and RB

[ag futbol]

Losing 2-0 to the last place team with dire play. This feels Aron Winter / Chris Armas - esque

[mowe]

If we sign Bernie, we'll only need a RB, two CBs, a CDM and two GKs...
One GK would be enough, Westberg would be fine as a backup. But everything else you mentioned is a must.

[DavemTFC]

Osorio looks like the only one who gives half a shit at this point

[MikeForbes]

Gonna have to give Bernardeschi another million after tonight.

[DinamoTFC]

Criscito keeps delivering excellent balls and plays, unfortunate no one else can take advantage.

[noxx98]

Whatever... see you all again on Saturday

[Kamp Berg]

Nelson should be kicking himself for wasting so many opportunities tonight.

[MikeForbes]

Nelson can go to the CPL. Playing the kids was the worst decision in TFC history.

[OgtheDim]

Nelson not going to Montreal is probably a good thing.

[NK Toronto]

I wish just one journalist would ask BB if there is any chance in bringing back Auro from his loan spell, and if no why not.

[Kamp Berg]

At least we’re able to give a lowly team like Chicago some hope. Yay.

[DinamoTFC]

I wish just one journalist would ask BB if there is any chance in bringing back Auro from his loan spell, and if no why not.
Mention it to Michael Singh. He's the only one who currently asks tougher questions.

[Thomas]

What’s the deal with Akinola. Yes, he didn’t get a lot of service tonight…...but on other nights he has…yet he rarely delivers. Looks like he is carrying some extra weight too.

[OgtheDim]

Nelson can go to the CPL. Playing the kids was the worst decision in TFC history.


Team should have been torn apart after 2019 but wasn't due to an unlikely playoff run. That's the genesis of all this.

[Kamp Berg]

That has to rank as one of the worst games of the year.

[Kamp Berg]

Nelson can go to the CPL. Playing the kids was the worst decision in TFC history.

Almost seems like Bob is proving it to the FO.

[DinamoTFC]

Team should have been torn apart after 2019 but wasn't due to an unlikely playoff run. That's the genesis of all this.

Team never has to be torn apart completely.
You start planning couple players ahead and don't give out horrendous pay raises or contract extensions.

[OgtheDim]

Mention it to Michael Singh. He's the only one who currently asks tougher questions.

Singh? Don't make me laugh.

This is not true ...at all.


Go watch the last presser.

Singh asked a leading question to justify a story about player development while Molinaro & others asked WAAAAY harder questions.


BTW, it was Molinaro who asked the "whither Poz?" question that got a 5 minute dissection aboutPoz' season 3 days before he was traded.


Even Buffery is asking tougher questions.


Do not in any way think Singh is asking tough questions because his performance in pressers is not good at all.

[jloome]

Dreadful. Just dreadful.

Terrible passing, interplay, movement. Effort was nothing special.
Mavinga has clearly given up. The second straight week he's been shoved off the ball by a teenager like he was
paper.

[NK Toronto]

Nelson can go to the CPL. Playing the kids was the worst decision in TFC history.

It was a bad decision but this is a club with a long history of bad decisions. I bet if we were to compile a list of bad decisions it would reach 3 figures.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Atrocious, soulless performance.
It looks like after the second goal they knew it's no way to even equalize, they had zero real conviction going forward..

[DinamoTFC]

Singh? Don't make me laugh.

This is not true ...at all.




Fair enough. I will admit I haven't watched as many pressers this season as previous ones. Im also not saying Singh is a quality journalist just meant he seems to be stirring the pot and might ask those type of questions. Thanks for the insight.

[Gringo Starr]

That has to rank up there among the worst games we have ever played

[MikeForbes]

Mention it to Michael Singh. He's the only one who currently asks tougher questions.

Singh is 100% the leader of the "all the guys that play at TFC II are Real Madrid bound".

[MikeForbes]

Mention it to Michael Singh. He's the only one who currently asks tougher questions.


Singh is 100% the leader of the "all the guys that play at TFC II are Real Madrid bound".

Also, don't get me wrong here, I appreciate him digging and getting us transfer rumors. I just hate the idea that every single TFC II standout is better than a Kemar Lawrence or Mark Delgado.

[Ultra & Proud]

I don't care what anyone says but Doniel Henry today is better than O'Neil & Mavinga. Saying he is a 5th choice CB might be right on a championship team but on ours he's fighting with MacNaughton for #1.

[NK Toronto]

That has to rank up there among the worst games we have ever played

That's a tough one. There are so many candidates over the last 2 years I wouldn't know which one to choose.

[DavemTFC]

Gotta say Ayo was really pissing me off in that second half. Most of the other players have been regular starters over the last few weeks and are understandably tired. Ayo lost his starting job and since then has offered absolutely nothing in any of his substitute appearances

[Ultra & Proud]

That's a tough one. There are so many candidates over the last 2 years I wouldn't know which one to choose.

Some with Mariner. 5-0 to NYRB in 2009.

[Ultra & Proud]

That's a tough one. There are so many candidates over the last 2 years I wouldn't know which one to choose.

Away to the DC with Armas.

[NK Toronto]

Neither Jesus or Ayo looked good. Maybe the 3rd DP should be a striker

[Ultra & Proud]

Gotta say Ayo was really pissing me off in that second half. Most of the other players have been regular starters over the last few weeks and are understandably tired. Ayo lost his starting job and since then has offered absolutely nothing in any of his substitute appearances
Extreme laziness. Him & Kerr barely run but in Kerr's case I think he has no idea where to run or what to do. Ayo has shown he does and can but won't.

[DinamoTFC]

https://twitter.com/canadian7709/status/1547383028053417984?t=T26dcZgcXFqHu08ApRPhAg&s=19

[Richard]

https://twitter.com/canadian7709/status/1547383028053417984?t=T26dcZgcXFqHu08ApRPhAg&s=19

Pogba wannabe. See you later clown.

[Gringo Starr]

Away to the DC with Armas.

Not going to lie I kinda enjoyed this one cause you knew it was the end of Armas

[NK Toronto]

Don't forget the 4 - 1 loss to NYRB this season. See, look on the bright side, we have played worse.

[JoesphNdo]

https://twitter.com/canadian7709/status/1547383028053417984?t=T26dcZgcXFqHu08ApRPhAg&s=19

This is a really bad look for both of them, either way sadly I think mavinga has nothing left

[TFC/Everton]

Ok - I will be the optimist of the bunch. We are STILL only 7 points out of the playoffs with 14 games to go.

If we win 2-4 games in a row, we are right back in the conversation.

Frustrating game, yes, but my daughter enjoyed watching soccer with her dad, so life is pretty good over here.

[Ultra & Proud]

This is a really bad look for both of them, either way sadly I think mavinga has nothing left

Maybe but I said pretty much exactly what Bob did while Mavinga was still sitting on the pitch.

And Mavinga had nothing left last season. Now he's a negative.

[JoesphNdo]

Maybe but I said pretty much exactly what Bob did while Mavinga was still sitting on the pitch.

Oh he's probably not wrong, but don't do that in public and, more so, having such a clearly adversarial relationship with a player is not a good sign

[DinamoTFC]

Maybe but I said pretty much exactly what Bob did while Mavinga was still sitting on the pitch.


To be fair faking an injury was Mavinga's best play past few games.

[Ultra & Proud]

Oh he's probably not wrong, but don't do that in public and, more so, having such a clearly adversarial relationship with a player is not a good sign
No it's not but sometimes it happens and more often than not, it's the player who earned it: Vanney with VDW, Armas with Jozy. This was bound to happen based on Mavinga's play and attitude over the last year.

[Ultra & Proud]

So on the bright side: no Mavinga or Nelsen Saturday. My blood pressure is relieved.

[jloome]

So on the bright side: no Mavinga or Nelsen Saturday. My blood pressure is relieved.

It must be galling for Shaff after three goals, three assists last season to be behind Jayden who, as one-dimensional as Shaff is, produces a fraction of the danger.

[Stress]

Ok - I will be the optimist of the bunch. We are STILL only 7 points out of the playoffs with 14 games to go.

If we win 2-4 games in a row, we are right back in the conversation.

Frustrating game, yes, but my daughter enjoyed watching soccer with her dad, so life is pretty good over here.


Good man! That was uplifting for me. Looking forward to watching with my kids one day.

[Initial B]

Thinking about it, I wonder if BB purposefully set up the backline to fail against the worst team in the east (or is that now TFC?) in order to shove it's weakness in the face of the FO and force Manning and management to get new backline players this window. It's like BB knew this would be the result (assuming he has been clamouring for new defensive players) and probably puts Manning's feet to the fire and stop dragging them in the trade market. I wouldn't be surprised if Manning is let go before Bradley is.

[NK Toronto]

According to Transfermarket Mavinga's contract expires Dec 31 2022.

[NK Toronto]

Thinking about it, I wonder if BB purposefully set up the backline to fail against the worst team in the east (or is that now TFC?) in order to shove it's weakness in the face of the FO and force Manning and management to get new backline players this window. It's like BB knew this would be the result (assuming he has been clamouring for new defensive players) and probably puts Manning's feet to the fire and stop dragging them in the trade market. I wouldn't be surprised if Manning is let go before Bradley is.

BB is the sporting director so wouldn't he directly be involved in player acquisitions?

[Ultra & Proud]

It must be galling for Shaff after three goals, three assists last season to be behind Jayden who, as one-dimensional as Shaff is, produces a fraction of the danger.

And I remember back when the WTR crew was saying to enjoy Nelsen while we can because he had one foot in Europe already.

[spe18]

Thinking about it, I wonder if BB purposefully set up the backline to fail against the worst team in the east (or is that now TFC?) in order to shove it's weakness in the face of the FO and force Manning and management to get new backline players this window. It's like BB knew this would be the result (assuming he has been clamouring for new defensive players) and probably puts Manning's feet to the fire and stop dragging them in the trade market. I wouldn't be surprised if Manning is let go before Bradley is.

As also the "sporting director", isn't Bradley considered to be the gm of the team?

[Yuushalinsky]

As also the "sporting director", isn't Bradley considered to be the gm of the team?

we live in North America, if an owner or someone above him wants to fuck around to look good to the bosses, they will.

[bhandsome90]

I think everyone should have known how the season was going to go. No FBs or wingers, an aging MB, injured CBs or just plain missing games, uncertainty with GKs.

I wouldn't be surprised to see BB and Manning let go if this continues for rest of the season.

[NK Toronto]

None of these losses would be happening if Michael Friisdahl were still in charge of MLSE!

[Yuushalinsky]

https://twitter.com/Chris_Mavinga/status/1547422238168711168?t=yfyYVmb9Ntz-Sc5h6vMDDQ&s=19

If true, I hope Mavinga feels better. He knows he's holding the team back.

[jloome]

https://twitter.com/Chris_Mavinga/status/1547422238168711168?t=yfyYVmb9Ntz-Sc5h6vMDDQ&s=19

If true, I hope Mavinga feels better. He knows he's holding the team back.

Like so many folks, he has struggled with his mental health, since his early days at Liverpool. I hope whatever's affecting him gives him a break soon.

[NotoriousGoonie]

Coach’s son taking free kicks for TFC is the most Ontario soccer thing


Lol🤣

[los sonadores]

Saw highlights only but it would difficult to argue that the starting 11 was anything but a last place team no matter who the coach is. Of course, the coach is also the sporting director… but hopefully we’ll have three or four more players soon. Man, at least two of them really should be defenders.

[los sonadores]

Like so many folks, he has struggled with his mental health, since his early days at Liverpool. I hope whatever's affecting him gives him a break soon.

Yeah, seconded. And he’s certainly had very good years for us.

[OgtheDim]

I don't think there was any choice as to whom was playing CB last night. We only have 3 with a +1 in Criscito.

Seen this before in 2015 - Perquis was supposed to be our defensive rock - didn't work out. Kantari was supposed to be a jolt of freshness & capability - nope.


This year - Mavinga regains his form in his last year of his contract & Salcedo is the rock.

Didn't happen.

BB isn't stupid so I would think they are looking for defensive replacements. The problem is every team in the league knows TFC is in need in the back and is going to jack up the price for their castoffs. Unfortunately, the window for CB's domestically is stronger in the winter window. So that leaves us with spending TAM or a DP slot on a CB - and that is...tricky.

[Ultra & Proud]

BB isn't stupid so I would think they are looking for defensive replacements. The problem is every team in the league knows TFC is in need in the back and is going to jack up the price for their castoffs. Unfortunately, the window for CB's domestically is stronger in the winter window. So that leaves us with spending TAM or a DP slot on a CB - and that is...tricky.

I know he isn't the answer but if we could get Henry for a non-anchor contract, I would for now. He is coming off $400K so if we could get him for around what Zavaleta got at his peak and for 18 months or so, I would do it

[ag futbol]

Finding it very hard to watch this team at the moment. Might have to plug back in later on when the new signings are on the field.

Not sold on Bradley as a manger and increasingly skeptical. DP’s and new signings will paper over the flaws but the team won’t reach its potential. It’s easy to understand why LAFC failed in the playoffs given his tactical inflexibility. Vela and others was enough to trump most teams in the regular season but in a competitive fixture in the playoffs? A good opposing game plan and a competitive tie means a Bradley managed team is handicapped.

Even Brazil came around to the fact they can’t just play one formation and toss 11 guys the ball and say “go play”. It’s arrogant to think such a simple approach will work here.

[Kamp Berg]

I don’t understand why Bob didn’t start a stronger team last night. It might have resulted in the team weathering the first half and possibly salvaging a point. I guess it was more important to test the kids again and see if they could start a game well?

[Joe Kool]

Not sure we could compete in CPL with the team that played last night. That is what it felt like anyway. Probably the worst game I have watched TFC play in a long time.

[Ultra & Proud]

Not sold on Bradley as a manger and increasingly skeptical. DP’s and new signings will paper over the flaws but the team won’t reach its potential. It’s easy to understand why LAFC failed in the playoffs given his tactical inflexibility.

I watched all those matches and they lost because they always had Bono level GKs. It's true pure offense can get shut down in the playoffs and they did somewhat but you still need a legit GK to help you out at times.

[Mr. Inbetween]

I know he isn't the answer but if we could get Henry for a non-anchor contract, I would for now. He is coming off $400K so if we could get him for around what Zavaleta got at his peak and for 18 months or so, I would do it

Auro for Henry? 'Relatively' easy? Maybe some GAM? 25-50K?

[ag futbol]

I watched all those matches and they lost because they always had Bono level GKs. It's true pure offense can get shut down in the playoffs and they did somewhat but you still need a legit GK to help you out at times.
I still feel the under performance tag stands. Remember we won a MLS cup with Bono in net, other teams have gotten far with pretty meddling keepers.

It’s all a matter of how you can organize yourself to accentuate your strengths and hide weaknesses and to a certain degree adjust to the other team’s game plan.

[Ultra & Proud]

Auro for Henry? 'Relatively' easy? Maybe some GAM? 25-50K?
Henry was released last week so no need for any move to get him other than a contract.

[reggie]

maybe we can find a zimmerman type with the 1st over all pick if we finish last this season...ohhi i forgot we traded that

[Ultra & Proud]

I still feel the under performance tag stands. Remember we won a MLS cup with Bono in net, other teams have gotten far with pretty meddling keepers.

It’s all a matter of how you can organize yourself to accentuate your strengths and hide weaknesses and to a certain degree adjust to the other team’s game plan.
In 2017 we were built as a more defensive team that could hit fast on the counter with Seba & take advantage of set pieces, like Seattle has always done. We defended pretty good as a unit too thusly a lot of 'bend but not break' defending. LAFC was pure attack and that's fine. Realistically it probably is destined to mostly fail in a playoff but they did make the CCL final with it. One thing Bob never had in LAFC was a complete spine so hopefully we get that here.

[reggie]

Finding it very hard to watch this team at the moment. Might have to plug back in later on when the new signings are on the field.

Not sold on Bradley as a manger and increasingly skeptical. DP’s and new signings will paper over the flaws but the team won’t reach its potential. It’s easy to understand why LAFC failed in the playoffs given his tactical inflexibility. Vela and others was enough to trump most teams in the regular season but in a competitive fixture in the playoffs? A good opposing game plan and a competitive tie means a Bradley managed team is handicapped.

Even Brazil came around to the fact they can’t just play one formation and toss 11 guys the ball and say “go play”. It’s arrogant to think such a simple approach will work here.
i agree ....rolodex bill strikes again

[613reppingTFC]

So yeah last night was pretty awful and hard to watch. Was thankful for Mavinga tweeting out that he was sorry for his performance as it was pretty terrible. I get he probably has things going on in his life and mental issues is one thing but then if he isn't mentally prepared he shouldn't be getting on the pitch.
I watched the clip of him coming off the field over and over to see if i could see what they were saying (i'm no lip reader either haha) but it looked like Mavinga said he didn't want to play. and Bob looked like he said to the trainer did you even look at him? but that above tweet said something to the effect of do you believe that..so could have been anything lol just my two cents. They showed a shot of him on the bench and I didn't see any ice or compression on his legs, so not likely injury related even though he was limping on the way to the bench...?

Edit: One more thing, as I said I know mental issues are a huge discussion and hard to bring up. If he is willing to tell the world through twitter though you would think he could tell management and discuss those kinds of things. Even one of the best goalies in Carey Price only played 5 games last year due to mental health and that's coming off of a Stanley cup finals performance.

[Yuushalinsky]

This is just frustrating at this point - we KNOW what the problems are, we're just not doing anything about it - and maybe the winter window is better but it's gonna be a bit of struggle to get there.

The youth experiment is officially over to me. We know the players we're probably going to be able to build around/rely on for short sprints. Their names are Luca Petrasso, DeAndre Kerr, Ayo Akinola, and in a REAL PINCH, Jacob Shaffelburg. The rest have to be on the trade block.

[ag futbol]

In 2017 we were built as a more defensive team that could hit fast on the counter with Seba & take advantage of set pieces, like Seattle has always done. We defended pretty good as a unit too thusly a lot of 'bend but not break' defending. LAFC was pure attack and that's fine. Realistically it probably is destined to mostly fail in a playoff but they did make the CCL final with it. One thing Bob never had in LAFC was a complete spine so hopefully we get that here.
Yeah fair enough. Their CB situation was always a bit suspect post Zimmerman.

Anyway, i really would like things to work out here. There are a lot of pieces to be excited about if we can round out the roster. Guess I just assumed we’d be in better shape by this point and not be on the verge of elimination from the post season before LI even steps on the field.

Losing to last place Chicago and tieing SJ at home was a colossal kick in the nuts.

[Joe Kool]

This is just frustrating at this point - we KNOW what the problems are, we're just not doing anything about it - and maybe the winter window is better but it's gonna be a bit of struggle to get there.

The youth experiment is officially over to me. We know the players we're probably going to be able to build around/rely on for short sprints. Their names are Luca Petrasso, DeAndre Kerr, Ayo Akinola, and in a REAL PINCH, Jacob Shaffelburg. The rest have to be on the trade block.

I know Nelson can be frustrating to watch at times but I think in some games he played he created more offensive chances than most. His problem is his decision making at times and other times he does a ton to get down the field but then just seems to run out of ideas at the critical moments. I feel with maturity and time working with our vets coming in that he could be someone for the future and I think that is why BB is trying to give him a lot of minutes because he sees the potential as well. I would not get rid of him.

[stevep]

I know Nelson can be frustrating to watch at times but I think in some games he played he created more offensive chances than most. His problem is his decision making at times and other times he does a ton to get down the field but then just seems to run out of ideas at the critical moments. I feel with maturity and time working with our vets coming in that he could be someone for the future and I think that is why BB is trying to give him a lot of minutes because he sees the potential as well. I would not get rid of him.


bet365 has tfc 100:1 to win mls cup
translated this means tfc not making playoffs or extremely unlikely
same script used at 2018 season

[ag futbol]

I know Nelson can be frustrating to watch at times but I think in some games he played he created more offensive chances than most. His problem is his decision making at times and other times he does a ton to get down the field but then just seems to run out of ideas at the critical moments. I feel with maturity and time working with our vets coming in that he could be someone for the future and I think that is why BB is trying to give him a lot of minutes because he sees the potential as well. I would not get rid of him.
He’s come a long way from being the highly erratic 18-year old we saw last year but there’s still lapses in concentration and focus over the course of the game. Also feel like he’s over-corrected in terms of going from doing too much to now deferring to his teammates too often.

I would play him 30 minutes a game as a second half sub. Tell him to keep the intensity high and no lapses in focus. When in the right areas. get at the fullback 3-4 times and try to make the final ball or get off a shot. Once he’s able to produce doing that increase his role.

[613reppingTFC]

He’s come a long way from being the highly erratic 18-year old we saw last year but there’s still lapses in concentration and focus over the course of the game. Also feel like he’s over-corrected in terms of going from doing too much to now deferring to his teammates too often.

I would play him 30 minutes a game as a second half sub. Tell him to keep the intensity high and no lapses in focus. When in the right areas. get at the fullback 3-4 times and try to make the final ball or get off a shot. Once he’s able to produce doing that increase his role.

Yeah I think that sounds pretty accurate. He has made the shift from holding onto the ball too long to now passing off too often and those passes aren't always accurate as he is probably thinking too much about it.

Since he is missing next game due to yellow card accumulation he likely will only be seeing the field as a sub from now on. So those 30 mins or so is probably decent enough to keep his focus up and when he does turn the ball over he needs to track back and help out. Last night you could see when he turned the ball over he was just going to let them play down the field. They stopped and so he ran back the 10 yards and then committed the foul at the end of the game. Caldwell kept saying it was a red card for swiping out but watching back Nelson's foot was caught in his feet and he was just pulling it out in an aggressive manner.

[Hala Hrvatska]

Lmaooooooo @Mavinga.
Can't wait for Hala Hrvatska's post because right now he's damn right.

Hvala brate.

Yup, I think everyone finally does. Even those who supposedly (wink wink) had me on ignore but don't. )